Why hasn't anyone invented a bullet which is laced with poison or contains some biological agent which is activated upon impact. That way even if you don't get a lethal shot, the target is more than likely going to die over time.
>>64406839I’m sure it’s been tested but whatever poison would’ve been in the bullet would get immediately cooked by the intense, spontaneous increase in temperature.
Lead is poison.
>>64406839is it a hollywood thing to fill an OTM bullet with mercury? I remember seeing that once
They're banned by treaties retard.
A soldier who is shot and wounded is no longer strategically important, dead or alive, so killing him is not that important.
>>64406839They have. The ones i saw have a blue tip. They have been around a long time.
>>64406950If anything, a wounded enemy is more strategically useful than a dead enemy, as his medical care will represent an ongoing cost to the enemy regime.
>>64406839They tried using poison harpoons for whaling in the 1800's.>That way even if you don't get a lethal shot, the target is more than likely going to die over time.Before antibiotics that was the norm anyway. Post-antibiotics? It's not socially acceptable. Same reason nobody makes poison gas anymore.
1) poisoned bullets are a thing 2) what difference does it make if the guy you’re shooting dies tomorrow if he’s attacking you right now?
>>64406882Mercury bullets will disintegrate aluminum robots into flaky amalgam.
>>64406965This shit is so retarded, a wounded soldier will come back to the horde eventually and boost the morale of his squad. A dead soldier can't come back and is the best demoralisation possible
Depleted uranium ammunition would be a sure killer.
>>64406839Cesium tipped hollow point
Fentanyl or one of the more powerful synthetic opioids could do wonders if you could keep your own troops from snorting bullets.
>>64407389If you're not a shitty thirdie military, you don't need to worry about enemy soldiers coming back into service because you'll have won the war by the time they're healed enough to be combat effective.
>>64406839Read the study the US army did on this in the era of the M1 biodart. The recommended poison was a carbamate nerve solution. The conclusion was that it's deadly in a small-arms-only lab study, but very overrated in actual war. The enemy will soon field an antitoxin, probably taken from the one you'll issue to your own troops in case of friendly fire. If it's mid range and your troops are maneuvering, the small advantage is more than cancelled out by the enemy adopting the same poison trick.The poison is pointless for CQB - too slow. At long range, it doesn't matter much anyway because you'd call for artillery.
>>64406839Like the rifle rounds in the Big Five bioweapons project? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_Weapons
>>64406839War crime because the guy can infect others which can spread to the civilian population. IIRC the british made some bioweapon to use against the Nazis which, if they used it, would have caused something on par with the plague
>>644068391. Like any other chemical weapon it'd make war shittier and:2. There is no special tech to putting some poison in a bullet. This means everyone could do it. Thus:3. Since everyone can do it, there is no military advantage to be had. You and your opponent will lose somewhat more soldiers (not much though because most casualties aren't to small arms, it's to shit like artillery) each, thus balancing out. Everyone is somewhat worse off and the war's outcome is utterly unchanged.Simple as.
The KGB killed a guy with a poisoned BB fired from an umbrella.
>>64407604If that's the study I'm thinking of, it's pretty funny in that wacky 1950s mad science sort of way>firing a whole fucking shitload of tiny bullets at the enemy is the way of the future!>but those tiny bullets have awful terminal effects!>so we'll just coat them in a potent neurotoxin to make up for it!
>>64406839>M1 Biodart (E1) A 7.62mm rifle cartridge with a sabot surrounding a flechette with exterior grooves filled with either botulinum toxin A (XR), saxitoxin (TZ), or possibly a combination of the two. There were 4,450 filled and 5,315 unfilled M1s in the arsenal at the time of its destruction.>M2 Separable Bullet (E2) A 7.62mm rifle cartridge with a hollow metal bullet containing dry-type botulinum toxin A (XR), or a simulant. The bullet would release a puff of aerosol on impact. Anthrax (TR) was another possible fill. There were 71,696 filled and 14,046 unfilled M2s in the arsenal at the time of its destruction.
>>64406839You mean like non depleted uranium?
>>64407770Lethality of the M1 7.62 rifle bullet was estimated as 25%.
>>64406839Because bullet wounds are pretty nasty as is, maybe you should shoot yourself to find out and stop wasting our time with your retarded fucking questions.
>>64407952Yeah I'm thinking of something completely different. Probably related to all the SALVO/SPIW/etc. stuff. It wasn't a special load for an existing cartridge, they were talking about wacky stuff like full auto rifles with 200 round magazines spitting out poisoned flechettes at 2000 rpm.
>>64407877Depleted uranium isn't any less toxic than regular uranium. Even enriched uranium is still chemically identical although maybe a little more radioactive.
>>64406839Yeah almost like biological warfare has been banned or something
>>64406839you can dip your bullets in poop if you want to. but it won't work the way you think it will and most people will just think you are weird.>>64408020ah yes, the notoriously effective weapons treaties.
>>64406839Why don't they make a bullet that fires another bullet if it misses?
>>64406839people generally don't get shot in a war
>>64406839You think they haven't?
>>64407632It was just regular anthrax. Not even a weaponized strain. The plan was to drop contaminated fodder over pastures to kill German cattle and cause a food shortage.
>>64408032>the notoriously effective weapons treaties.But that's unironically true.
>>64407877>shoot a guy with a uranium bullet>30 years later he's 5% more likely to get cancerDid you only shoot lead bullets so if you shoot someone and don't kill them, they might get lead poisoning eventually?
>>64408050oh really? go ask some vietcong veteran what the special ingredient to a punji pit was. did any of them ever get punished for waging that kind of indiscriminate biological warfare? no?point stands.
>>64406839Exponential cost increase and risk to user and manufacturer and transporter, for minimal increase in immediate fatality.
>>64407744I was looking for someone to post this. Some years ago at the bookstore, there was some picture/coffee table book about spycraft. Umbrella held a charge, and shot a small bb with 2 holes that had arsenic in them
>>64407602>Korea>Vietnam >Afghanistan Yeah sure anon, I just hope I get drafted with optimistic people like you when the Taiwan event happens
>>64407352In regards to the second point, in the heat of combat you're not always going to kill your target, most wounds tend to be non fatal. By modifying the bullet to release a lethal agent into the body regardless of where you hit them, it should kill them, so attrition rates can be higher as a result.
>>64408187>Korea>Vietnam The US was a thirdie military back then>AfghanistanNationbuilding is not war and crippling the people you're trying to build a nation for is counterproductive. But hopefully we've learned our lesson and don't try this shit again. If China gets rebuilt after we tear it down, it should be in the mold of Japan or West Germany.
>>64408187The US won Korea, moron.
>>64408135Arsenic isn't that lethal, it was ricin.
>>64408363>The US was a thirdie military back thenNice fanfic dipshit.
>>644077443 dubsIt's in the spy museum in Washington and pro tip, they sell cheeky glow shirts because they like the joke.
Use meth. Bio and poison don't cause half the problems a wounded meth patient would.
>>64406839https://youtu.be/vO2ixs51uGI?t=221
>>64406953>blue tipThe green tips make you horny.
>>64408413Armistice is not a victory.
>>64408617Problems come with chronic use/abuse, you know that meth mouth.
>>64406839Tell me you're a sociopathic moron without telling me you're a sociopathic moron.
The bullets too hot
>>64407389This is cmoletely incorrect. It takes months if not years to recover from gunshot wounds. If they wanna rush a half disabled bleeding, puking chud back to the front its only a loss for them.
>>64406839Sounds like that would be hazardous for the guys who have to handle them. Also, rounds on target = enemy combatant out of the fight. Militaries try to generally win wars, not just kill people. There is no strategic advantage to this.
>>64408126There's no arms control limitation treaty for poop.
>>64408656The yellow tips make your dick smaller.
>>64406907So? just dont sign it thats what Israel did. so ta da no war crimes.
>>64407389not if you remove all the eyes except for one per hundred soldiers to lead them back. now you flooded your enemy with blind men to drain resources.
>>64408047So thats why jews were starving in camps. it all makes sense now.
>>64406839Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.Regulations: Art. 23In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden(a) To employ poison or poisoned weapons;(b) To kill or wound treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;(c) To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;(d) To declare that no quarter will be given;(e) To employ arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering;(f) To make improper use of a flag of truce, of the national flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy, as well as the distinctive badges of the Geneva Convention;(g) To destroy or seize the enemy's property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;(h) To declare abolished, suspended, or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party. A belligerent is likewise forbidden to compel the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war.
>>64408362Good point. I was thinking about self defense scenarios, or swapping out sufficient terminal effect for the lethal effects of some biological agent.
>>64406839Seems kinda dumb for a situation where the enemy is actively trying to kill you since the poison won't be fast acting enough to stop them from firing off more rounds.
>>64406907Good to know, too bad you're wrong
>>64406839Assuming you don't care about the war crimes you could probably fill a hollow point with some kind of datura PCP mix so that if the shot isn't initially lethal the guy will have a real bad trip.
>>64410165Unlike russia or israel, civilized countries actually care about those "pesky treaties" to limit certain kinds of harm during combat. Even during WWII people didn't really use CW in Europe, despite having stockpiles relatively at hand in case the other side does it.
>>64409496Besides, if you have a modern rifle (probably full auto too in a military context) and you already hit them with a bullet, you're about to hit them with 4-5 more bullets in the next second anyway.
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>>64407632do we really need to talk about bioweapons?stop being antisemitic and stop being a chud against immigration
>>64407868>Anthrax (TR) was another possible fill. Jesus ...A puff of anthrax on impact. Every spent round leaves a chance that you will inhale this stuff once you move into the position you were firing at earlier Did those guys use hard drugs or they were just sociopaths?
>>64410456Anon they were fighting communists, not humans.
>>64406839We did, Anon, its called lead poisoning. Jesus fucking christ on a cracker, what did you think bullets were made of?
>>64408662>There has never been a successful defensive campaign in human historyChink cope reaching bizarre new heights.
>>64407389And in the time it takes that soldier to recover, and with the lost resources of fixing and transporting him, you've lost ten battles in the meantime.
>>64406839>Why hasn't anyone invented a bullet which is lacedIt's fucking trivial. Any retard can drill out a bullet and fill it with mercury or anthrax sporesBut 1) poisoning your bullets is useless, you'd be doubling or tripling the production cost to gain an extra 5% casualty rate, and 2) biological agents are both niggerish, and equally as dangerous to your own side as they are to the enemy
People really be spending their weekends thinking up the most sisterfucking retard shit possible and making threads about it, huh
>>64406994>They tried using poison harpoons for whaling in the 1800's.Much longer than that. Aleuts used aconite to poison whales. That was the only way they could kill whales to bring home for dinner back when all the Aleuts had was kayaks and wooden spears.
>>64412638OP is guaranteed to be a turdie, they ha e zero filter and basically anything that enters their stunted brains just spills out
>>64406839>That way even if you don't get a lethal shot, the target is more than likely going to die over time.Why bother with poison when you've already shot them and now they're bleeding to death? If you want to make sure they're dead just shoot them more. If they're getting carried to the back to get patched up by a medic before they get shipped out with casevac or otherwise get their combat-ineffective ass out of the way then they're not an immediate problem anyhow, so you can use your time to shoot someone who's more of a threat instead.
>>64406839Bullets get hot during shot, and any organic poison destructs from heat. Also, as was told, it's just useless. Shot soldier likely heals till the end of current war.
Out of curiosity do explosive rounds exist? If so how do they function withstanding the intense heat inside the chamber as its fired?
>>64406882Not just Hollywood. It's been tried a few times by actual people, generally ones with little knowledge of chemistry and the properties of mercury in contact with most other metals, including lead.>tl;dr it's a good way to spend extra money to make an ordinary bullet suck
>>64412798Generalizing: explosive bullets are like a cup with thin cap, easy to crush during impact but with a relatively strong back. Besides that, impact force is orders of magnitude higher (for a hard object stopping the bullet in a few centimeters) than the force of gases in the barrel, and in the opposite direction, something taken into account to design fuzes, even the simplest ones.
>>64409182It would be better to work them to death in the cum mines than to rip off ghengis khan/timurlame's playbook. Imagine all the lefties losing their minds and putting cherry bombs in federal toilets because we cut out some brown people's eyes. Hell even normal people would be pissed about it.
>>64408032> you can dip your bullets in poop if you want toThis is why India is a superpower. Their guns are coated in shit so every round is automatically poisoned with poop
>>64409182>remove all the eyesit's faster and cleaner to use lasers
>>64408662Post eyelids chink
>>64408656No no. Blue tips make you hard. Like the little blue pill. Green tips make you puke. Black tips make you retarded. Red make you addicted to alcohol.
Are you people talking about CRAYONS?
>>64406839Are you thinking what i'm thinking ?
>>64408572It's a truthnuke though
>>64406882It was done in that one spec ops show. They wanted to make a bullet that would have zero overpenetration, so they used a custom mercury bullet. The sniper it was being given to had a lot of moral qualms about it because he didn't want to make a guy's head explode. Eventually he gets over it by talking with his pastor. The target's head didn't even explode in the end.
>>64408572it literally wasonly after having an admittedly bad performance in Korea and Vietnam did they learn that they can't do that sort of shit anymore
>>64406839>the target is more than likely going to die over timeEvery person thats ever been shot is dying over time
