Also known as the SCAR MK3Currently in testing with the UK under Project Grayburn as a candidate to replace the L85Includes a lot of features from FN's MRGG submission like MLOK rails, aluminum lower receiver, AR-15-style rear charging handle, and internal steel rails for the bolt carrier.The "legacy" SCAR cancellation is due to these going into full production.Expect to see more of it at SHOT 2026
>>64407879>AR-15-style rear charging handle,That's the worst part of the AR15. It makes you break your sight picture and shooting stance to charge the rifle, plus it gasses you when the gun is suppressed. They should have used a reversable side charger.
>>64407886Agreed. They got it right on the FN IPC/LICC IWS
>>64407879>MLOK rails>AR-15-style rear charging handleglad I already have a set of SCARs because this kills it for me lmao
>>64407886SCAR finger is the thing.
>>64407888Based LICC enjoyer. I want one of this so bad.
>>64407896Which they've already solved on their other rifle
>>64407912>let's make hole in the gun for a mud to fall right into the trigger group
>>64407925>Lets be disingenuous.Unless the handled is manually locked back, it's only open like that when there's positive pressure inside the gun.
>>64407879hey cool you reworded the automatic translation of this twitter posthttps://x.com/teppoblog/status/1978997309665915389
>>64407886Why do people cry over this, you only need to charge the gun once
>>64407938except when clearing a malfunction, in which case you're already breaking your sight picture to diagnose it
>>64407888they need to stell this to me in 5.56
>>64407888I want this but with a SCAR boot stockWhy? Fuck you, boot.
>>64407896The Israeli FAL had a non-reciprocating charging handle and a forward assist decades ago without going to an AR style CHIt's not rocket science
>>64408074wait really? where is the forward assist on the israeli fal?
>>64408074Why lie?
>>64408019The reason competition ARs are side charging is specifically because the fastest way to clear a malfunction is with a quick cycle of the charging handle, which they do WITHOUT breaking sight picture. Side chargers also don't get in the way of optics, rear irons, etc. And of course the traditional AR15 charger will gas you with each shot.
>>64408127Compie faggot shit doesn't matter in real combat
>>64407886>plus it gasses you when the gun is suppressed.non issue with an ar18
>>64408124Retard
>>64408145Competition shooting brought>pistols which aren't 120 years old and magazine capacities of more than 7 fucking roundsTook the US Army until the 1980s to replace the 1911>red dot sights on pistols in the 1990sArmy still hasn't done this 30 years later except for Delta>two piece gun beltsArmy still hasn't done this 30 years later and soldiers are still buying their own gun belts>kydex holsterstook until the mid-2000s>angled mag pouchesArmy still hasn't done this
>>64407879Hijacking your thread to ask about this thing. How are you supposed to compensate for drop with it? You can't look into the window with the weapon angled at about 20 degrees.
B&T just called they say they want their handguard back
>>64408163>Took the US Army until the 1980s to replace the 1911There are still those who are angry about this to this very day.
>>64408185And they're right
>>64408079It has an additional notch on the carrier and you can push the CH to the right to engage that notch
>>64408205True.
>>64408127can't wait till all them tactical turtle fudds die out, then assfax will admit that high optic mounts are really that thang
>>64408127>competition ARslmao okay kiddo. Also you seem to be forgetting this is a piston gun, not DI.
>>64407879>yet ANOTHER ar18 derivative in the same form factor
>>64407888>FN IPC/LICC IWSholy acronym batman the fuck does any of that mean
>>64407879ARKA GDYNIAKURWA ŚWINIA
>>64408272Acronym vomit seems useless, but as inelegant as it is it's actually quite useful.The Fabrique Nationale (America) Improved Performance Carbine is the weapon component of the Individual Weapon System, which consists of the .264 LICC cartridge, IPC itself, 25-round magazines for the IPC, and a QD suppressor.The LICC (Lightweight Intermediate Caliber Cartridge) program also includes another weapon system, the LICC-AMG.FN adapted the .264 USA cartridge and developed both weapons for the Irregular Warfare Technical Support Directorate, but now they seem to be marketing them together with the MTL-30, which follows the same design language.
>>64408306Thanks. Is this still in a competition, separate to the SIG 6.8
>>64408306LICC is an awful, awful name and I hope it gets adopted
>>64408306damnkino firearms are back
>>64408055
>>64408324The IWTSD LICC isn't related to the NGSW. It's a long-term R&D program and isn't in any (public) competitions.As a bit of a historical background, .264 USA was spawned by the same 2010-2016 (and also before and after these years) "overmatch" concerns as the NGSW's predecessor, the Interim Combat Service Rifle. Some people called for a powerful assault rifle or battle rifle to address the alleged range problems of 5.56 in Afghanistan and to unity the 5.56 and 7.62 platforms with a general purpose cartridge (GPC), typically something in 6.5mm caliber. .264 USA, which was similar to 6.5 Grendel/6.8 SPC, went with the large intermediate approach, while the Army transmogrified the LSAT program into CTSAS for a full-power 6.5mm cartridge, this ended up merging with ICSR to become NGSW. I'm not sure about this part, but I think FN was contracted by the CTTSO (now IWTSD) to make guns in the Army Marksmanship Unit (AMU)'s .264 USA back in 2019. They've since modified the cartridge and called it .264 LICC.
>>64407888>trips love the licc like you wouldn't believe
>>64408370Looks way better actually
>>64408399>was similar to 6.5 Grendel/6.8 SPC, went with the large intermediate approachsounds like a dead end
>>64408437>t.noguns
>>64408437It's more powerful and likely higher pressure. .264 USA got 2875 ft/s with a 109 grain out of a 16.7" barrel back in 2014, so I think we should wait until ballistic data is released for .264 LICC. IMO it should be a good candidate for an EPR-style load.I'm personally not a big fan of the GPC concept, but the technology used for the LICC is a step in the right direction and the premise is better than the NGSW's.
>>64408370Unbelievable vibes, FN is retarded for not doing this
>>64408370>Ejection port cutout on the other sideWhy would they go through the extra effort to do this? I did some reading and they never mentioned it having swappable ejection, seems like a weird choice if it doesn't desu
>>64408370wow, another totally-not-an-ar rifle, exciting!
>>64407886Literally my favourite feature after the DI boltcarrier. However>cant charge the gun witha cheek riser>ive hardly ever shot one suppressedI just generally think its not in the way
>>64407879>AR-15-style rear charging handlewhy not stick with a side charging handle?
>>64407888I love this lil guy like you wouldn't believe.
>>64407888>>64407912Wtf is all this shit and extra charging handles? Just make an AK.
>>64408368They should give each grunt one of each but have a battle maid droid carry and operate all the guns and the only purpose of men in future would be to be serve as flesh batteries providing the sustenance (love and hugs) to the battle maids (and a reason for the battle maids to fight to protect their little (battle maids are gonna be like 8ft amazonian robotic maids) men
This will probably win desuFN are the only one with a proper UK factory
>>64408796I agree anon but that was so out of left field I couldn't help laughing
>>64408796Aren't you supposed to be on /g/?
>an ugly, more expensive XCRWow, cool.
>>64408019My SCAR has literally never malfunctioned.
>>64407888Checked, praise Kek
>>64408163None of these things are a result of competition shooting.
>>64408127>the fastest way to clear a malfunction is with a quick cycle of the charging handle, which they do WITHOUT breaking sight picture.Hmm, my rifle stopped shooting when I pulled the trigger. Do I:a. inspect the ejection port to look for a malfunctionb. rack the charging handle and hope for the bestI wonder
>>64408455>>64408469>308 case >for grendel+ performance lmao
>>64409116So .280 Brit all over again.
>>64409124Yep.I hate the .277, but if you use the .308 case why would you compromise for it's performance? It's already long and heavy, just make it full power
>>64407879>ARKAarka arka, muhamad jihad
>>64408045They need to sell this to me in .264 licc. I don't give a shit if it burns out $2000 barrels every 12k rounds if it gives me .308 muzzle energy out of that size cartridge.
>>64409116Nah
>2.6 OAL>473 case head >only 2850 fps for 108 gr from 16 inch barrelkekaroo
>>64409178264 USA ≠ 264 LICC LICC is fatter
>>64409193Source?
>>64409199Trust me, bro.
>>64408167Like this Visually reticles completely drops down out of sight video down when aiming far. You need trun gun up until reticles appears back in teh window.Manual is available on FN website btw.
>>64407886Another issue is that the AR-charging handle prevents the use of proper cheek risers and promotes terrible chin/jugularwelds and absurdly tall optics mounts (lookin at you, GBRS homos) that'll be looked back on as truly retarded fads within the next two decades.
>>64407879I would prefer the MRGG to this shit.
>>64407886non issueside charging = commie bullshit. plain and simple. and i'm not being reductive or facetious actually. none of the pros of a side charging outweigh the fact that it's on an AK and that = gay
>>64409381The Garamd and M14 are side charging you braindead mutt zoomer
>>64408163>>64408127painfully midwit angles
>XCRwow someone still remembers that. I'm impressed. >uglier than the XCRNot possible.
>>64409401>AR/SCAR successor discussion>brings up the garandi kek'd. have a good day anon you bring mirth to those around you
>>64409139According to EmericD (an industry insider) on DelphiForums/Autogun, which some anons also seem to lurk, they made it fatter and shorter to approximate the action length of 5.56 guns and mimic the feel of the M4, which if true would be some unusual dedication to recoil management. I think compatibility with .308 belt links had something to do with it too.My civilian ass would consider it a success if they managed to pull off ~2900 fps with the 103 gr out of a 14.5" bbl while being controllable in full auto. It would be the ultimate General Purpose Cartridge gun if so. ~20% heavier than 5.56, matching .308 at range, and low recoil were pretty much Schatz's suggestions.
>>64409516>General Purpose CartridgeRetarded idea>SchatzRetard
>>64407879Raped by PA-15
>>64409537I'm not the biggest fan of the concept, but I think that the AMU did a great job with the .264 USA and combining it with novel case technology and good weapon design on FN's end made for an elegant solution. I would like to say it's a testament to how well government contracts can turn out when they're not conceptualized and managed by incompetent knuckle-draggers (see: NGSW), but I'll reserve judgement until we have ballistics data and footage of the guns in action. I still think the Evolys needs a QC barrel though.
>>64409381t. actual retard
>>64409414You're fucking retarded and trying to change the subject.
>>64409362it kinda looks like the same shit
>>64407886The gas blowback isn't a problem, these are piston guns. The actual issue is it fucks with risers, that are more and more necessary these days. You have to either not use on, or use a funky one that accommodates the charging handle.
>>64409756MRGG still has side charging.
>>64409401Both of those are worse than the AR doe
>>64407879Why would anyone ever use this over an 11.5 PSA AR? >Oh my science a bigger, heavier, and worse performing rifle, that's exactly what we need!
>>64410010why would you use anything under 14.5 if you're not a swat cop or a vehicle crewman?
>>64407879>ar charging handle FUCKING WHY. The AR charging handle is literally the worst charging handle EVER designed and it's the product IMPROVED version of a worse version. The AR charging handle is the only one I've ever seen that broke or eventually destroys the very fucking weapon it's attached to, causes malfunctions to turn into disasters (brass over bolt) and makes clearing malfunctions more difficult. Godamn "special ed" forces need to have their pp's slapped and told to man the fuck up and learn a different manual of arms.
>>64407886>It makes you break your sight pictureDo you really clear malfunctions while looking at the enemy? 99% of people also break sight picture during reloads because it's just more convenient and nobody gives a shit. Also, you should be behind cover while doing it.>>64409342>prevents the use of proper cheek risers and promotes terrible chin/jugularwelds and absurdly tall optics mountsYou absolute fucking tard.The name of the game was 1/3 lower co-witness or total co-witness of red dots and iron sights, people only started doing risers and using chinwelds to accommodate night vision tubes dangling off your face.Even a side-charging weapon will force you to chinweld and use risers because you need an upright neck to aim passively under NODs. If you scrunch down to get a textbook cheekweld you'll slam the tubes into the optic.
>>64407888why are all modern military rifles like 5 different mismatched shades of brown, tan and black. it looks fucking retarded. and yes the only thing that matters for military small arms is how aesthetic they are. blow me
>>64410117NTA but side charging is just better
>>64410117>to aim passively under NODs.meme
>>64409990Why are you dodging the issue that is the AR charging handle? I don't care what gun it is, its improved with a side charging handing you can stomp your foot on or slam into something solid in a pinch. When you're in a firefight and your fine motor skills are shot and you're tired and hurt from hauling all your shit, you're gonna go caveman on your gun when it fails you.
>>64409966Why would you bother to have both on a service rifle though? It just adds weight
>>64410249Side charging is nice, especially if it's left side charging for a right hand shooter. The problem is that the retards in the US military think that the glue eaters under them can't learn how to use a side charging handle so they demand an AR15 style one too.
>>64410042Too long with a can, if you aren't running one u gon die in da streetz unironically >>64410232Just use the forward assist retard
>>64407886
>>64410232>its improved with a side charging handing you can stomp your foot on or slam into something solid in a pinchThat requires a reciprocating charging handle that's physically connected to the bolt. Which everyone dogs on because it's annoying 99.99% of the time and you only need it that 0.01%.>When you're in a firefight and your fine motor skills are shotFighter pilots can handle a stick and throttle with a bunch of buttons and 4-way hats.And consuming fuel to train BFM is way more expensive than a range trip. If some officer nerds can learn how to handle buttons with just 200-300 hours of flight per year (most of it non-combat) you can learn how to operate a charging handle no matter how much of a fucking caveman you are.
>>64410280Doesn't always work retard>>64410302 I've mortared a FAL, you don't understand side charging handles
>>64408796I must confess you have an astonishingly good idea there doctor.
>>64410314>It doesn't work because... IT JUST DOESNT OKAY?Source?
>>64410249Because the AR charging handle position sucks ass.
>>64410302>That requires a reciprocating charging handle that's physically connected to the boltThe SCAR NRCH handle couples to the bolt with a latch and only lets it go when locked forward. You can mortar it just fine, and even push the handle forward when it's not yet in battery to force the bolt closed.
>>64410042it makes it more suitable as a home defense rifle due to decreased length, especially since you want to suppress a home defense rifle to mitigate hearing damage. it will also be less front heavy than a 14.5" suppressed due to 3" less barrel and the suppressor being 3" further back. 11.5" ars shoot 55gr at 2800 fps and 55gr fragments reliably down to 2700fps and you're not going to be losing 100fps within home defense distances. also, 77gr exists if you dont trust that 100fps margin. having said that I own a 14.5" with a p&w qd mount flash hider to avoid sbr tomfuckery and because I just like the way a 14.5" looks suppressed. I think that the 14.5" ar is the platonic ideal ar but I understand the love for 11.5s
>>64410355>mortaring rear charging handle: BAD>mortaring this shit: GOOD
>>64410302CZ Bren 2, XCR, and SCAR all have nrch that also function as a forward assist.
>>64410423If you can mortar with this little ding dong of a thing, you can mortar an AR-15.To get better mortaring than an AR, you need it to be fixed to the bolt. Otherwise you're not getting any advantage here.
>>64410417Sorry, I'm not the guy who said that's a reason side chargers are better. They're just better because they don't feel god fucking awful to use like the AR's. As far as mortaring goes, they're equals. Though the SCARs does work as a forward assist without needing a separate control.
>>64410416They make shorter suppressors now
>>64409362Hell yeah. Two charging handles, I'm sure it's a great design.
>>64410302>a recip is required for forward assist side chargingIsraeli FAL bolt carrier and XCR can do this by pushing the handle in
>>64410565Is everyone fucking illiterate out of a sudden?The issue was mortaring an AR vs mortaring a side charger. The forward assist was never mentioned. Why is everyone giddy to talk about the forward assist function?
>>64409124A friendly reminder that the more someone promotes .280 British = the less they know about it.
>>64410461I thought we were discussing a forward assist function. I’ve mortared Brens before without issue, for what it’s worth, but I see you point. I think the difference between the two is that with the AR, if you successfully pull the bolt back while mortaring, you’ve created a giant lever arm with the charging handle which, if you didn’t pull it back perfect straight, might snap due to the geometry. The Bren, SCAR, XCR don’t have this issue despite similarly little material being used to connect to the bolt.
>>64410731>despite similarly little material being used to connect to the bolt.I was bewildered that the charging handle on the XCR simply connects to the bcg with a tiny little notch at most. Made me wonder why that can't be done for other rifles.
>>64410558One for contract requirementsOne actually good one
>>64410619280 britbong fags are like 10mm, 6.5 sneedmoar, and 300 chimpout shills: they're all noguns
>>64410817Take that back
>>64411035Can't handle a 12g? Sad really
>>64411040I'm not taking the 12ga on bicycle rides
>>64411046>muh evil burrs gon rape me on muh bikeis paranoid mental illness healthy for you?
>>64411048Clearly your single track doesn't parallel any salmon bearing streamsHonestly the moose are more dangerous most of the time
>>64409110B will fix it fastest in most cases. Useful to know when time is critical.
>>64410588I've had to mortar a FAL pretty hard and clearly the charging handle doesn't need to reciprocate for it to work