Has owning a weapon always been a privilage in history, with US being the exception? Japan had heavy rules to restrict weapons, still has, modern European countries have such. Was owning a weapon something everyone generally did in history, or was it for loyal subjects only? Or has it always been more like a hush hush thing for general population. Keep a sword or the grandpa's smg in a closet for a rainy day.
Everyone had axes or hatchets, or other working tools, so that can be a weapon. But like weapons for like designed to kill a man/animal.
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>>64409681idk if it's true but there's a myth about the Messer (meaning knife) being carried by commoners as they couldn't legally carry swords in germany, it was reserved for the nobility.they could then say UMM AKSHUALLY this is just a knife not a sword
>>64409681Yes. Weapons that could threaten the martial class (Knights/Samurai/Mamaluks/Citizen Greeks) were restricted on pain of death from the landless serfs/helots/peasants unless they were raised as levys and even then they were strictly controlled, often by refusal to pay unless they turned in their weapons back to their lords and the expense of weapons in general. Up until the yeomanry and the Magna Carta in England there were no weapons rights, and even then weapons like crossbows were strictly prohibited for use against "Christians" (AKA lords and knights) as it made it very easy for the peasants to knock off the ruling class.
Maybe gramps had something to slaughter the pig for christmas?
>>64409981this is also to say that carrying a dagger or a knife for self defense/general utility was the norm too.
>>64409995>were strictly prohibited for use against "Christians" (AKA lords and knights)not only is this delusional drivel but this ban hasn't been enforced a single time over centuries
>>64410014>nah there was no papal bull or anything Fuck off.
>>64409681it was a common practice to have next to no gun laws by the turn of the 19th century both in Europe and US and customary to carry handguns for self defense both against people and agaist dogs and other rabid animals.it's only after the wave of left wing terrorism in the 1970s did gun laws in Europe start getting restricted and only in the recent decades did they embrace the nanny state for toothless toddlers doctrine pushed by the EU.
>>64410031eat shit son of a nigger pig, the papal bull was as worthless as your pathetic niglet life. it couldn't even ban a single bow or crossbow that was in overwhelmingly common use.
When stuff like wheel lock pistols became more common a lot of countries banned them because they were concerned at how easily you could kill someone important with one
>>64410032Commie faschists alway ruin everything. Every man should be able to keep and bear.>>64410043Was it for higher classes or was it for general safety?
>>64410053>Was it for higher classes or was it for general safety?it's nonsense. whelllocks were never so common that some nobody could afford one and they never threatened important people enough to consider banning them.
>>64409981>messer
>>64409681>Has owning a weapon always been a privilage in history, with US being the exception?Yes but the extent of the privilege to own weapons was far looser back then than it is now in most nations. However, since guaranteed rights to weapons under law wasn't very common (though still more common then than now), there were also somewhat frequent periods of mass confiscation.
>>64410077you call zis a messer? ZIS is a messer
>>64410087So kinda yes and no?
>>64410088Verdamt saukopf, das ist ein messer! ROVANIEMI!!! *hands you a match box*
I have a feeling most of these old restrictions where just there as an excuse to detain and punish vagrants and trouble makers without having to catch them doing a real crime.
>>64410032This. Europe essentially invented the pocket pistol / ccw with the baby browning and browning 1899 automatic.No one in America gave a sit because we open carried hand cannons. A pocket revolver was a prostitutes weapon back then.
>>64409995>restricted on pain of deathNot really
>>64409981No, that was just a way for knife guilds to get around the rules for swordsmithing because Germans have always been autistic about the rules
>>64409681>with US being the exceptionDo you think we let slaves own weapons?
>>644100321 thing I hope will never happen is what is happening in Canada, majority of Europe, or Australia. Fuck, in Australia, they won't let you carry pepper spray for self defense! Not everybody wants to carry a gun, so why not let them have pepper spray?!?
>>64409995>Up until the yeomanry and the Magna Carta in England there were no weapons rights, and even then weapons like crossbows were strictly prohibited for use against "Christians" Guess they never heard of the instruction to “sell your cloak and buy a sword”
>>64411166>This. Europe essentially invented the pocket pistol / ccw with the baby browning and browning 1899 automatic.I dislike how you worded that.
>>64409681The establishment of this country is predicated on the government's obligation to recognize our rights.
>>64409681Control was always the norm until people decided for themselves that they ought not to be lorded over. Violent revolution never happens with words, and the powers that be fear the uprising by the free man. The British were always cucked and believed the king was chosen by God because the church said so.
>>64409681I remember reading in Aleksandr Borisovich Zhuk's book about handguns, that in Britain the civilian gun market was quite big, with small independent gunmakers (who mostly did shit guns, look at apache revolver for the worst it could offer) selling to the common worker. That's before the heavy regulations tho, also I can't really find info about this phenomenon online.
>>64409681No.If you look at many societies in history, Freemen were frequently obliged or encouraged to maintain a level of arms, armor, and/or training. In hunter gatherer or more modern societies that relied on hunting, they relied on their weaponry. Farmers were frequently armed or had access to someone with arms to kill t4ohblesome wildlife.Carrying a knife, club, or staff throughout Europe during the middle ages was seen generally as a matter of course - in fact, carrying knives and daggers was extremely common, as a tool.I would argue the opposite - society only very recently became both safe and well organized enough that disarming your population was even possible
>>64411246Australia's gun laws make Britain look like the Wild West.
>>64409681Europe basically had unrestricted gun ownership up until WW1, then the Russian revolution happened and the leading elites of European countries got scared of the possibility of 1840s style mass revoltuions, so they severely restriced gun ownership everywhere. Also, Japan had pretty relaxed gun/weapon laws, only swords were restricted because they were the symbols of the samurai class, but commoners were still allowed to have spears, short swords and even firearms if they could afford them.
>>64410039Technically I think the current widespread bow hunting bans in Europe are based on the bull, but otherwise the historical significance is limited
>>64411166And pocket revolvers loooong before that. I bet some junkie is robbing a kiosk with an ancient Lefaucheux he has no ammo for right now.
>>64411246>Fuck, in Australia, they won't let you carry pepper spray for self defense!Same as FinlandYes, you can even own automatic weapons if you care to jump some hoopsNo you can't carry pepper spray you fucking terrorist
>>64409995So really any such rules have always been about insulating and protecting the Elite/oligarchy, and giving them a monopoly on effective violence.
>>64409681>Has owning a weapon always been a privilage in history, with US being the exception?It was the exception in the US as well. Black slaves did not have guns.>>64409681>Was owning a weapon something everyone generally did in history, or was it for loyal subjects only?Loyal subjects only fun fact the first place on the planet with serial numbers on guns and permits was Ireland where the authorities intoduced a special machine for stamping numbers on guns and issuing papers authorising the guns to an individual. This happened in Ireland just before the famine but it was built on a 300 year long cycle of laws prohibiting Catholics in Ireland from certain trades (including gunmaking, teaching, the civil service etc), penalties on property ownership and taxation and a variety of other legal persecutions.
>>64412345>Technically I think the current widespread bow hunting bans in Europe are based on the bullDo you just randomly post utter bullshit and sit back and giggle to yourself? Fool. There is absolutely no relationship between current European bans on bowhuntinng and the histocial relic of the Papal condemnation of crossbows in the medieval era. For a start the probibition on bow hunting in Europe applies to compound, recurve and anything that shoots an arrow. The drive behind it is that the animals deserve the cleanest death possible and that is delivered by a 270 not some mong like you with a tactilarp chinese croosbow from ebay. I'm not sure they are wrong either having found animals in an horrendous state with arrows sticking out of them
>>64411166>A pocket revolver was a prostitutes weapon back then.How many do you own anon?
After the war, Japan's gun regulations continued to be tightened in order to combat yakuza and extreme left groups. The image shows a mass shooting by a gun-loving teenager in 1965, and the occasional appearance of gun spree killers like this also led to stricter regulations.
>>64410032>it's only after the wave of left wing terrorism in the 1970s did gun laws in Europe start getting restrictedComplete bullshit and fanfiction.This anon is correct >>64412324, but it also had to do with common criminals becoming too dangeous. Which is also why the NFA was enacted in 1934 after years of violence during the Prohibition
>>64412430Exactly. A heavily armed population is far more difficult to oppress, tax, or enslave.That's the core idea behind restricting the public from possessing weapons.These laws have never been about reducing violence or any other such nonsense usually used as justification for such restrictions.Rather the these laws serve cement the state's monopoly on violence, ensuring that their authority remains unquestioned so that they may continue exploiting the population with minimal resistance.
>>64412430>>Saul AlinskyAbsolute evil being (and the idol of Obama).No surprise he dedicated his book to "the first revolutionary ever: Lucifer".People like him got absolute mad when they see the Common Joe with his family, in the church, eating meat or carrying a gun.
>>64409681No, not at all, its generally been expected, the US's laws are derived from English Common Law. European societies were traditionally heavily armed as feudal or city-state or canton systems require heavy participation from the citizens/subjects/liege-vassals. Private warfare was not only legal but a legal right in some parts. In fact it has also been a legal requirement to be armed in the past, and a legal requirement to be available to be summonned for various duties. To people in the past, the idea of restricting ownership of hunting tools and weapons would've been ludicrous. The only thing that sometimes was under control was large quantities of gunpowder, carrying weapons in cities, and a few specific bans on weapons in a particular context, such as unsuccessful bans on crossbows by the church, commoners in the HRE typically carrying a messer etc.The world of restricting weapons ownership is a 20th-21st.c thing, where various batshit movements and gangs + man-portable concealable weapons easily capable of taking out dozens of other men started to appear in conjunction with governments who had absolute authority and control. Although owning a weapon is irrelevant (outside of fun) if you dont have the structures in place to allow you to use it, which is a universal problem with today's monolithic states who assume a total monopoly on violence of any kind. >>64412478It hasnt at all stopped the US government, the feds and cops do as they please and are protected by the vast machinery of government. From what i've seen this largely just makes cops jumpy and liable to murder people, or is used by the ATF as an excuse to murder people or ruin their life. Still looks very fun to own such things ,and its likely neccessary around negroes and mexicans sadly.
>>64411527>Control was always the normnot really. if anything, societies that practiced control typically had the opposite intent - in England, for example, every free man had not the right but the DUTY to be armed and ready for war, and they'd get inspected ever so often
>>64412324>Also, Japan had pretty relaxed gun/weapon laws, only swords were restricted because they were the symbols of the samurai class, but commoners were still allowed to have spears, short swords and even firearms if they could afford them.Absolutely not true.Nips got swords confiscated in 1200, again after sengoku jidai, country closed for almost 300 years in tokugawa shogunate with super controlled firearms, all samurai swords (and the entire samurai class) went down in meiji, got fucked again in WW2 and confiscated guns in 2007. Japan was always bad for weapons and a nightmare for guns.Spears are melee weapons for women and the old.>>64412463>and extreme left groups.Funny, because in 2007 the jap Comunist Party passed a law fucking hunters, athletes and even collectors. Was a real grab. Since then, what was already tragic became an odyssey to own a gun.And dont forget there is another law in Japan that allows police to enter your house without a warranty if the accusation was... "firearm".Soulless country.>>64412267Commies in your country used that late-90s school shooting to fuck your rifles.
>>64409681>Japan had heavy rules to restrict weapons, still hasThat depends on what time period and context.The idea that japan ALWAYS had heavy restriction on weaponry and that japan somehow intentionally gave up their weapons for 200 years of internal peace is completely made up by modern peace loving fools. There was some form of restrictions but there was never was a complete ban similiar to modern day japanese gun control. The peasant population owned firearms and swords all the way from japans waring state period to the end of world war 2.Modern day japans gun control can trace its roots to the Allied occupation and not to any previous japanese goverments. It was in the best interest of the Allied occupation force that there was no way for the japanese to make any form of armed uprising after World War 2.
>>64411026>Schtoppen und Frischken
>>64409681Throughout history, civilian ownership of weapons has swung back and forth between being forbidden and being mandatory. American gun laws were based on English gun laws at the time, which in turn were based on English archery laws that essentially made it illegal for a man to not own a bow and practice with it.
>>64412463If only America would do the same. You'd think they finally do something about banning guns after all the right wing terrorist acts since the 90s.
>>64416815>if we define everything the right does as terrorism and nothing the left does as terrorism, then the right commits more terrorism
>>64417019The left has a good heart. They are fighting racism, sexism, and transphobia. What is the right killing people for? The right to kill and bully minorities? This is why nobody like America anymore.
>>64417560>pattern recognition is bad because... uh... it just is
>>64412454black slaves weren't US citizens so there's no exception.
>>64412467threre's a difference between "buying a gun at your local grocery/ordering it by post", "buying it after confirming your age through a simple and straightforward process potentially involving its registration" and "jumping through dozens of hoops, expenditures, classes and requirements to have an opportunity to hold a gun at your house under constant scrutiny and control". US is the second type now and used to be first and Europe varies from the third to the second.
>>64409681There are a few examples in history where a state outright armed its own populace. For one, Henry VIII became concerned that the men of England were wasting their time with effeminate games like bowling, and not training in the longbow skills that made England a military force to be reckoned with. So he decreed that every town should set up an archery range at its own expense, set price controls on longbows so that every manncould afford one, and told his people to git gud.
>>64409995Historyfag here: Every single fucking word you just posted is made up bullshit.
>>64417843Yeah but at a certain point you have to acknowledge that the slippery slope is not a fallacy and is in fact how tyrants have always operated and still do operate to this day.
>>64409681>Has owning a weapon always been a privilage in history, with US being the exception?yes current day USA not the exception see new york or felons or formerly slaves or coolies
I'm always amazed modern Amerrivcans think that America is some bastion of frededom when historically the only place that mactched in barborous degredation of freedom up to the 1860s with slavery was the Russia nobility with their serfs. Even today it has a massive prision population and savagery like staged executions. Freedom my ass.
>>64418147post out "brown Muslim invader" on your social media anon and then tell us how worse your prisons are then ours
>>64412463it's incredible that after the government by assassination period that they let people have fucking butter knives. i would have figured they'd go full bong even for kitchen knives.
>>64418147America has a lower prison population than many European nations when you compare white to white, and public executions are a mark of civilization. I suggest you use a spellchecker next time.
>>64412754>Commies in your country used that late-90s school shooting to fuck your rifles.iwo>1 guy shot up too many people in 1 sitting, so we're going to ruin it for everyone else!
>>64418147>noo think about niggers
>>64417991Browsing stormfaggotry sites does not make you a historian.
>>64419684neither is posting communist tranny fanfiction yet here you are
