How do you drone proof your tank? EW?
Hard kill, either APS, autocannon with airburst rounds or CROWS with target tracking.
big fat uparmored tank with APS
>>64412694Picrel. Any other answer won't work for a professional army.
>>64412694WTF with these boomer mini screens?Its literally year 2025 outside.Entire forward wall should be plastered with screens with minimum bezels.No excuses
>>64413015Everything. Autocanon with air-burst as main weapon.7.62 anti drone capable RWS.Full hemisphere coverage Iron Fist style APS Heavy armor.WWII lesson: its never enough of AAA dakka.
Combined arms.
>>64413058>Pre-Emptive EncounterSIGINT, HUMINT detection of drone operators. >Pre-Emptive Kill GMLRS, PrSM, drone and air strikes on radio-controlled drone operator positions.--- 80% of the drone threat eliminated, mostly fiber-optic drones hence --->Avoid ExposureIs using tanks for the assault worth the risk?>Avoid DetectionCamouflage, speed. Joint destruction of enemy ISR assets. Don't stay in the same place for too long.-- 90% of drone threat eliminated -->Avoid TargetingSmoke dispensers, movement. Not very effective.>Avoid EngagementEW jammers, potentially DIRCM.--- 95% of drone threat eliminated --->Avoid HitHard kill APS: Trophy, Iron Fist, remote-operated weapon stations. Assuming 80% reliability on this step...--- 99.9% of drone threat eliminated --->Avoid KillMost FPV drones need to get several direct hits to M-kill a tank.Notice that the most influential steps do not involve the invention or implementation of new materiel. This is important, as overloading tanks with too much new equipment would hinder them from accomplishing their original mission. It is much more effective to distribute the workload.
>>64413610Bit optimistic with your numbers there mate.>I just kill everything with long range weapons before it even comes into distance
>>64413662Yes, and?
>>64412694ask the priest to bless it
>>64413662Preemptive nuclear strikes until they don't even have the capacity to order drones from Alibaba anymore would work in principle. It just has some undesirable knock-on effects.
>>64413662Don't think of it as "number of drones that were intercepted or ordered and not launched," but as "number of drones the enemy could have used if you had done nothing." What you want to do is dissuade the enemy from employing them in the first place. It's a lot like SEAD.>>64413708This is also true. Destroying the enemy's capacity to produce or ship drones to the frontlines may also be effective if the confrontation drags on for long enough.Russian and Ukrainian drone teams are so effective because they're acting pretty much unchecked. Take that away from them and you'll see much fewer skilled FPV pilots volunteering (or living).
>>64413765Air superiority would help, yeah.
>>64413610>This is important, as overloading tanks with too much new equipment would hinder them from accomplishing their original missionOriginal mission of MBT tanks is killing enemy tanks.That doesn't exist anymore as tanks die to FPV drones before seeing any enemy at all.
>>64413829No. Just no.
>>64413765>Russian and Ukrainian drone teams are so effective because they're acting pretty much unchecked.Thing is checking drone teams is most difficult. For example its much easier to check enemy artillery because they operate huge visible "just shoot me up" cannons that can be hidden and they need x1000 more weight moving by logistics.
>>64413834Yes. Abraham tank doesn't even have HE round, it only has AT rounds.
>>64413843M830A1M1147Euro-hours are so fucking low IQ
>>64413839By that same measure a drone "battery"/eteam isn't going to hit targets as effectively as an artillery battery/team.
>>64413829The main mission of tanks in modern doctrine is enabling and assisting combined arms assaults. Killing enemy armor is primarily done using air strikes.Tank-on-tank combat is gay War Thunder autism.>>64413839Detection isn't too hard right now with current SIGINT assets, but it will get much tougher when the enemy adapts. Improving signal detection and target discrimination is going to be critical for counter-drone warfare IMO.
>>64412694Automated, belt fed, rotary barrel, 8 gauge, shotguns, loaded with buckshot, and firing at a minimum of 1200 rpm. Once they've proven themselves in the anti-drone role we can start campaigning for upgrades to the FCS to add an anti-infantry setting to the anti-drone guns.
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>>64413913>Tank-on-tank combat is gay War Thunder autism.tank on tank combat isnt their primary purpose, but it is seen as an inevitability in their mission, in the same way infantry are primarily expected to fight other infantrybreakthrough and maneuver is their primary task, but the enemy will attempt to counter-maneuver with their own armored forces so anti-tank capability is just a necessary part of breakthrough
>>64413058>muh onionAvoiding encounter, detection, targeting & engagement is dead in the age of drones all that is left is don't be there, don't get hit and survive the hit.
>>64415558>Avoiding encountershoot the drones down, jam them, or deny the airspace to them
>>64415564That is an encounter anon.
I'd just rethink the tank's purpose. If its main purpose is a heavy roll-up gun for breaching urban environments, then the tank is destined to become crewless, small, with a high caliber low-velocity gun, and no more than a dozen shells to use in short-range assaults. Double as a self-propelled mortar and fast enough to spearhead an advancing column.Basically a short barrel B-4, but the carriage is a robot
>>64416328This but using robots to deploy 1 ton ANFO cubes.
>>64415193brown faggot>>64415558read the first half of the thread
>>64416382an ISIS car bomb isnt a tank anon
>>64412694there will always be countermeasure Further proofing will only mean bigger humiliation
>>64416328The manned tank will remain for the foreseeable future. Despite the effectiveness of ATGMs, armor actually works, and it always helps to have more brainpower reducing the workload of higher echelons. Tanks are also really fucking fast. Gun UGVs are useful, but would be more like self-propelled field guns, and not a heavy cavalry equivalent the way MBTs are. They need relatively static light infantry operators close by and can't contribute to combined arms assaults in the same way.
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>>64413182reinforced tiny screens shoul be backup for AR googles with 360 degrees of vision around the tanks
>>64415558avoid draft
>>64413662>I just kill everything with long range weapons before it even comes into distancecorrect
>>64412694You can't. The best weapon against a drone IS ANOTHER DRONE. Drill this into your genetic memories, Muaddib! How did the military dealt with aircraft in WWI? By sending up another aircraft to shoot it down. As battleship cuckers found out, shooting down planes from the surface is hard. SAMs somewhat evened the playing field but then got cucked with stealth. Now drones came along being naturally stealthy (small size), flies very low (below radar) and can hover/land anywhere to hide. The only way to counter drones is to deploy your own drones and engage them before they get in range of your other assets. I don't know WHY there is such a resistance to this solution. Sunk cost fallacy? Stubborn pride? Ostrich head in sand syndrome?
>>64416707>naturally stealthy (small size)negated by their lower altitude> flies very low (below radar)you can still detect them by radar and bneing low opens them up to being hit by more weapons>The only way to counter drones is to deploy your own dronesthey can be countered by a combination of jamming and shooting them down>I don't know WHY there is such a resistance to this solutionthere are anti-drone drones, but SHORAD is more effective
>>64412694It needs to be able to take at least an RPG warhead from any angle, especially from above. EW and some way to shoot at them would also help.
>>64416819I don't think just up-armouring would be effective for long, even large drones are extremely cheap compared to ATGMs and armouring against an AT mine being dropped on the roof would push you into super-heavy tank territory and all the logi issues that brings.
>>64416422Manned tanks will remain until all are ground to rust flakes against more modern weapons
