I just copy-pasted the previous OP. Don't know if there's been any recent news except for that one guy getting arrested over a FRT, not sure if that really counts...
https://youtu.be/Wldup8MNPEU?si=j0Mary0RszeuypqG

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I'm out of the loop on this stuff.
Asking for a quick rundown from someone with up to date info.

1. What's the deal with Rare Breed being colossal faggots and trying to sue all their competitors out of existence?

2. Could there be some truth the rumors that they were pressured into doing this by the feds in exchange for the ATF approving their particular FRTs?

3. Any updates on the lawsuits so far?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can provide me with some answers.

>>64416774
>whats the deal with Rare Breed
The settled with the ATF. Their patents are now legal.
>why are they being faggots
Because they spent millions and several years fighting the Feds in court, and also because they hold the patent on the only legally recognized FRT. Of course they're going to defend their patent.
>why are they being faggots though
Because they don't want people commiting IP theft and infringing on their business after spending years and millions fighting the feds. Also the ATF probably stipulated "if you don't sue people we'll do this again and bury you in court" which not really enforceable is definitely a credible threat.
>they're still faggots though
Yes. Charles Goodyear almost bankrupted himself defending his patent on Vulcanization. Patent defense is costly, time consuming, and with something like this can easily destroy the IP holder especially if someone out of country copies the design and floods the market with super cheap knockoffs.

>>64417020
>Of course they're going to defend their patent.
There's defending your IP and then there's patent trolling.
Rare Breed going after Hoffman is patent trolling.

>>64417020
>only legally recognized FRT
Wrooooong.

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Does anyone know if anyone is making or has made an FRT/FRS for the H&K G36?

>>64417571
I think they're too niche of a thing for anyone to invest in since we can only get the faggy SL8, then you'd have to convert that. Or get a shitty clone from Tommy Built.

>>64418707
Never mind, turns out Tommy Built is gone and they've handed stuff off to Uo Arms.

Page 8 bump

>>64418720
fuck me I have had an sl8 sitting in the safe till I finally get the $$ to do a conversion, am I just fucked now or has someone taken up the conversion torch? the uo website seems they just want to put me on a waitlist for whatever their clone is.

>>64420129
I can find literally 0 info on Uo arms, honestly you're probably better off waiting for H&K to bring the G36c over lol

>>64417348
Read the settlement again verh closely

>>64417348
i did i dunno why you're coping. They're becoming common use.

>>64416735
threadly reminder that Rare Breed will hand over your credit card details, home address, and list of everything you’ve purchased to any government agency that asks for them, no warrant necessary.

The whole thing is a honey pot, thats why you can’t buy them in stores, you might pay cash and they can’t trace that.

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>>64421401
>Oh no, the feds might know i bought a legal thing to attach to my gun I filled out a 4473 to buy.
Sour grapes. Poorfag or a cuckstater?

>>64421401
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>64421401
I mean they would just knock on my door and get it again. I'll just do that then.

>>64416774
1. They are greedy and have better lawyers
2. Just greedy and have better lawyers
3. Who cares?

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>>64421526
>IP enforcement is just LE GREED! No nuance allowed!

I mean hell I get business cost compared to market size / demand and all but $240 (plus tip) for what appears to be a $45 produced part is just...
I guess my complaint applies to just about everything of the type really.

>>64421554
>for what appears to be a $45 produced part
Describe to me in detail how you got to that estimate. Include machine time and labor in your calculations.

>>64421542
>t. Lawyer
You should join your HOA board.

>>64420129
You're genuinely fucked because they'll never import that G36c

>>64421580
>Take 250 dollar part to machine shop
>"can you make 100 of these"
>"sure that'll be 350"
>???
>profit

>>64421731
>b..b.bbbut IP infringment rreeee!
It's really a thing, unless you source through China under a shell company and offer covered parking with free e-car charging.

>>64421731
>>"sure that'll be 350
Again, where the fuck are you getting these numbers? Your ass? I dare you to take any FRT to a machinist a try to get a quote under 300 dollars.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/rapidcut

>>64421580
A look on the website suggests 6061 alu, and multiple in-house small parts made from "tool steel" while not specific, not really important.
Just the raw material cost for one of these is, again rough guess, close enough to $100 that a $240 price is going to be generous for the buyer.
Yes, small shop made, low run products of a quality material are that expensive.

My company addressed a lifespan problem with our pump shaft seals and impellers by having a local shop make it all from 316 stainless. The cost for each unit upgrade was damn close to $2000 and we did the prereq of drafting the specs, and ordered a batch of 20 units. A single part custom run likely would have charged close to 4 thou.

>>64422086
I replied to the wrong post
>>64421554

>>64416774
>1. What's the deal with Rare Breed being colossal faggots and trying to sue all their competitors out of existence?
They're not being faggots at all, much less colossal ones. They're running a business. The purpose of running a business is to make money.

Rare Breed spent a shitload of money and put their freedom on the line -- they could have ended up in prison for "selling machineguns" if Trump hadn't gotten elected. The ONLY reason they won was because Trump's DOJ settled the Biden DOJ's lawsuits. Otherwise, the Harris DOJ would have dragged things out, doing their best to bankrupt Rare Breed and everyone involved, and most likely would have gotten favorable rulings from both the district and circuit courts because NY judges. Supreme Court would have probably dodged the issue because only a couple of them even like guns. Clarence Thomas would have written a furious-but-civil dissent to go out with the order rejecting certiorari, and the Rare Breed guys would have been in prison for two to ten years, their families would starve, and FRTs would be considered illegal or at least too legally dangerous to touch by anyone sane.

Instead, Trump won, so they won, so now every two-bit shitwad is diving into the arena and proclaiming that they have something better at a lower price point (because they don't have to come up with the multiple millions that Rare Breed spent on legal fees).

The only person who doesn't fall within that circle is Tim Hoffman, who developed the Super Safety and released it to the public, without making money off it. He was still somewhat at risk, but probably could have argued that he had never sold the devices, he just demonstrated them, and file releases were already deemed legal during Trump's first term so he might get away with that.

I'll also note that Hoffman didn't knowingly (if at all) infringe any patents -- Rare Breed's '247 patent wasn't issued until well after Hoffman released his design to the public.

>>64417020
>Their patents are now legal.
Patents are always "legal". There are countless machinegun patents and huge-capacity-magazine patents. None of them are ever illegal because they aren't being turned into products for sale to the general public in places where those products are illegal for the public to own.

A patent is just a piece of paper.

>>64417071
No, it's not. They want to maximize their market share. It's just business.

That said, it's open to interpretation whether the SS infringes the '247 patent or not. The "does not catch the hammer" limitation in the claims, well, the SS does catch the hammer but then it gets released as the cam moves.

Also, the two-position SS definitely cannot infringe the '247 patent because it doesn't have a non-forced-reset setting, which both possibly-infringed claims in the '247 patent require.

>>64421809
Bitch, please, you can buy a SS for $150 any day of the week. There was a sale a few weeks ago from one of the outfits that was blowing them out the door for something like $50 or $75, I forget how much.

Or you can print a SS for about tree fiddy in filament. It'll work for a few magazines.

The lever is better off printed anyway, and the crossbolt/cam piece is just a couple of inches of 3/8" bar stock with some divots milled or EDMed out of it. There are 3D-printed shells for casting them if you'd prefer.

>>64417020
>patents are now legal
The actual validity of their patent in question because Matt and Ivan of fuddbusters dug up a patent from 1934 regarding a "machinegun" mechanism that perfectly matches the functional description of an FRT.
>>64417571
The guys at AS Designs are apparently working on one

dumb fucks won't make an ambi or 0-45-90 design. mil spec single side 0-90-180 just doesn't work.

>>64422323
that would be cool yeah

>>64422323
>dumb fucks won't make an ambi or 0-45-90 design
Show your design. Oh, they are actually doing something but you are just whining.

Az reg frt drop soon

>>64422319
>matches the functional description of an FRT.
Please stop being retarded. That is not how a patent works, and that is not how patent invalidation works.

The 1934 patent doesn't read on the claims of the '247 patent. The 1934 patent is for a Colt 1911 style pistol, which doesn't have a hammer hook that catches on a disconnector. The '247 patent requires a hammer hook that catches (or doesn't) on the disconnector. They are therefore distinct.

If you dumbfucks want to unfuck your brains about this whole thing, you can read this thread:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Intellectual-property-attorney-discusses-Rare-Breeds-lawsuit/5-2805418/
in which an actual patent practitioner showed up and did analysis of the patent, including discussing the patent for the 1911 from 1934. You'll have to dig around in the thread to find his posts because Barfcom stripped off all the usernames to block datamining.

>>64422760
>read this
Sounds boring. Can you summarize, with bullet points?

>>64422871
give it to ai

>>64421809
I took one to a local machinist today he said he would charge about 20 bucks

>>64421761
ah yes the local machine shop is going to look up the IP for random metal parts, do you even hear yourself? Sell em at local gun shows you fuckin donkey

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>>64422958
>Sell em at local gun shows you fuckin donkey
I'm just not that invested in your fantasy to do that, Albert.

>>64422977
The whole point is, FRT's are not worth what they're being sold for. CNC shops are a dime a dozen, just not all of them are super up to date on the latest and greatest in the gun world

>>64421731
>"sure that'll be 350"
post quote nigger

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>>64422990
It's understandable that they'd cost a bit if they were only made in limited runs, which that would have been the case all the way even until now, where guys know we are in a grey area where a court has technically ruled that one particular brand's patent and those who have purchased that particular product have been protected under the law. Anybody who's ramping up production now really is gambling on the idea that DOJ will not try a similar takedown on them and risk it going to trial. That being said even assuming the cost of labor and materials is up crazy high right now, $500+ is absolutely insane highway robbery prices. I would imagine with even a cartridge type device like the Rare Breed might cost something like $90-100 a unit, so a $300 price tag would still be reasonable profit while putting some dosh away for attorney fees for any potential future litigation should the feds try some fuckery. Rare Breed honestly can go eat a bag of dicks.

Just bought an MP5 trigger housing. Are there any triggers/safeties that keep the original "style", or is it all just AR FCG lowers and (push-button) SS's?

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>>64423650
I heard one or two guys have them in development, but so far any roller-lock stuff that's FRT are going to be AR FCG conversion lowers.

>>64424014
Damn, that's a shame. Guess I'll keep waiting. Don't have the rest of the receiver and all that anyways, so it's not a huge deal to wait anyway I suppose.

>>64422871
>Can you summarize, with bullet points?
You can just read my posts in this thread to see the summary, because what I've posted here is basically the main points. If you want more than that, you'll have to read the Barfcom thread.

>>64422271
>explains their original legal battle
>completely ignores why they're getting shit now
Hey retard, everyone would love them if they didn't start suing their competitors based on highly dubious if not utterly bullshit claims of patent infringement. Apparently getting to sue other manufacturers was even built into their deal with the government. Despicable.

>>64424618
well they'll get slapped the fuck down and all frts are still gonna be legal.

>>64416735
Someone explain the Arizona Regulator to me. Do I need a different safety, does any mil spec 3 pos work? Does all his models ship with one? His website is so fucking shizo it makes me worried to even bother with that company.

>>64424618
>suing their competitors based on highly dubious if not utterly bullshit claims of patent infringement.
Hey retard, the claims aren't "dubious". Read the Barfcom thread linked above. It lays out step-by-step exactly why the '247 patent reads on the Super Safety, what defenses are available, and what versions aren't infringing.

As mentioned above, the two-position (safe-or-FRT) is not infringing. Only the three-position may or may not be infringing, and there are solid arguments on both sides as to whether it is or isn't. Rare Breed isn't bringing a "dubious" lawsuit (much less a "highly dubious" one), they have made a colorable claim.

>>64424904
>dude some random guy on a forum said it so it's true
Even if that is true, IP law is made up nonsense, and patent lawsuits are immoral. I have no respect for those who can't make it in a free market and instead resort to a state granted monopoly. Even worse still, they're going after people releasing free designs on the internet.

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>>64424670
He is schizo, but that's actually what makes him legit, as if you do a mail-in order he'll send back your OG postage envelope and order form, he won't keep your shit on file. AZ regulator makes a bunch of different 2 position triggers for use with Larue, Geissele and milspec triggers. You want the 3 position, the AZ15-A1. Send in the form with a money order and just write in on the form you want the AZ15A1, and he'll send you the specific reset "pack", along with a FCG. It utilizes a FA selector, trigger and disconnector, and a semi-auto hammer. Assuming you put all of that same combo parts in all your rifles, you could just swap the "pack" from rifle to rifle.

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>>64416735
where to find instructions to install ssg for taurus 22?

>>64424014
Is that a Jarvis comp? If so how was the install. Mainly asking because they apparently have a set screw to keep the comp from wanting to come off.

>>64424928
>I have no respect for those who can't make it in a free market and instead resort to a state granted monopoly.
Well, fuck you then, go move to China or India where you can rip off foreign IP all you want with the blessings of your corrupt masters.

Companies spend hundreds of billions of dollars on research, and need to make that money back in order to continue producing new products. Having Chindia fuck them over by copycatting just makes everyone poor -- the Chinsects and Poos cannot innovate anything, so if you bankrupt everyone who can innovate, then there won't be anything new and useful being created.

Anyone receive their ARC trigger yet??

Any news on the Vector FRT???

>>64426533
>there won't be anything new and useful being created.
Ironic considering the companies and individuals Rare Greed is trying to ruin are innovators themselves. The Super Safety remains the best option on the market for most people, and it was released for free, no profit motive needed. The same is true of many inventions in history, which were made for a variety of reasons besides money. It's no surprise that those most interested in patents aren't the little guys tinkering in their garages, but massive megacorporations with armies of lawyers taking down anyone they think is a threat to their monopolies. These companies hoard thousands of patents, and do nothing with them! For them, stifling innovation is a top priority.

>>64416774
The thing I don't get is the idea behind the Rare Breed's patents is that drop in triggers, with actual autosears, existed prior to Rare Breeds FRT. Too be clear they look exactly the same as Rare Breed's trigger but have an actual autosear. Then the FRT function wasn't their idea either. They just took 2 existing things and patented them together. The idea isn't novel and is just existing things taped together.
As for the court case, they were in legal trouble because of it being a "machine gun" nothing to do with the patents. They spent to money to stay out of jail, not to validate their patent. Besides the fact they couldn't enforce the patent because people couldn't sell them as they were illegal to sell in the first place.

>>64426653
>Anyone receive their ARC trigger yet??
no

>Any news on the Vector FRT???
end of the month

is there an frt that doesn't modify the safety selector, or your trigger?

>>64426653
nope on the ARC trigger. Hoping for soon. CP33 FRT when? I saw someone is making a AR FCG lower for the cp33 upper, but I dont want to go through all of that, even if it means being able to have a 3 pos CP33 frt.

>>64426694
>>64426716
Just messaged them.

They said ARC triggers will ship sometime later this week

I NNEEED the Vector FRT so fucking bad

>>64426713
what do you mean by modify the safety selector, if you mean without swapping anything out then, yeah you can use the first version of the AZ regulator, but of course it's two position, safety and frt mode.

You wont find a 3 position without changing the selector

>>64426787
i mean, can you keep your original safety and trigger?

>>64426808
yes, implying your trigger is milspec, the FIRST version, two position only variant of the AZ regulator is drop in with no changes

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>>64421652
How did you know, anon? :3

>>64422323
Rarebreed is ambi

>>64424940
>NERV
>M4's
Anon the whole point of NERV was to be equipped as shitty as possible so when (((SEELE))) came knocking they'd fold like a chair, also it didn't help when Misato didn't do her fucking job because her bf got rekt.

>>64424940
Mail in forums are still not a guarantee. They scan addresses and if his bank is ever captured by the feds they'll see check and money order deposits. I see how the AZ15A1 works, but how do the ones for the 3rd party triggers?

>>64424940
It will never not make me irrationally mad that the text on the side is in English but the stupid fucking safe/semi/auto symbols are in fucking kanji. Fucking why? Stick to one language you dumb hacks. At least us pictograms if you want to be such amazing faggots

Are there any reversible 3 position safeties or is my only option an ambi?

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Do I need an H3 buffer or H2 buffer to FRT my Anderson lower with 16" PSA upper? Is it correct to say stock carbine buffer is kaboom risk?

>>64427864
The aesthetic of NGE mixes a ton of roman text and kanji. It suits the whole vide well. (the symbols on the selector are actually hiragana by the way)
>>64428083
Heavier buffers tend to be better. If in doubt buy an H3 with adjustable weight.

>>64428083
>kaboom risk
huh?

>>64427517
Unfathomably based

>>64426653
https://wickedarmsinnovation.blogspot.com/2025/10/october-newsletter-update.html?m=1&fbclid=PAT01DUANlFJVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABp46luAORcGChHfmP9Fef8tK4jpzl3nnY8BwE33W3X0BRW0-LbahtHmdbcJMG_aem_BpZLca3XjkBKizWkiPR9RA

>>64427517
>>>64421652 (You) #
>How did you know
Nose.

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>>64428163
>RATL-R for the PS90 News:

>Yep you read that right we have developed a 3 position trigger for the PS90 platform. We are 97% completed with it just making a few fine tuning adjustments and a little bit more R&D with it before we will feel comfortable releasing it out in the world. We planned on having their release on the same day as a surprise but after thinking it through we think it would be wise to hold off on the release just until we get our bearings straight with the Vector launch.
No Jaffa are safe now.

>>64429232
be aware that you also need a full auto selector for the ps90

I already bought one, it's a dorin

>>64429234
>I already bought one
Source?

>>64429250
>Source?
Nm. https://fnspecialties.com/enhanced-aluminum-three-way-selector-ps90-compatible/

>>64429255
that's the exact one I have yeah, there is a more colored one if you're into that from imperialarmsco

https://imperialarmsco.com/ps90-fs2000-p90-compatible-three-way-aluminum-selector-switch/

https://imperialarmsco.com/ps90-fs2000-p90-three-way-infinity-aluminum-selector-switch/

>>64429259
>colored one
Thx. But for $30 more, I'll paint it myself.

>>64429255
>>64429259
>All OOS
you anons are too fast for me...

>>64428144
Out of battery

>>64430269
just get a h2 buffer

>>64424940
Kind of ignorant to Evangelion other than Misato and Asuka being spammed, were there a lot of AR-15s in that?

>>64430526
No, not shown in literally any of the media. https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(disambiguation)

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>>64430526
No :(

>>64427864
Ever work on a Japanese car? There's text in both English and Japanese everywhere on parts.

>>64426354
It's a Parker Mountain Machine, anon. No sets screws on those, it's timed like a muzzle device on a rifle with shims. I do want a Jarvis on another Beretta I have though.

>>64427596
This is true, but most online retailers won't even bother with mail-in anything, let alone return your envelope and form. Dude gets at least an E for Effort. The third party trigger FRTs he has only are 2 position, and apparently whatever he does with those I guess changes the angle of of the dingus or whatever for whatever disconnector each one uses, but I'm not certain on that.