If this thing was real would it make sense to outfit grunts with it?
The damage the Fat man does in game could be done with conventional explosives, so yes you could produce such a launcher. It would be limited as some kind of clearing weapon though most likely as basically it would be equivalent to blasting a target with a HE round.
>>64417960https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
would need way more range, which you aren't getting with a catapult launcher, and at that point you'd just be making a rocket/missile launcher with a spicier payload.
>>64417960It was real and it did make sense for a little while, back when there was no other way for an infantry squad to stop a tank division. Ultimately the problem with tactical nukes was just that they were really fucking expensive, and they became obsolete as soon as conventional weapons could do even a tenth of the job because you could launch a hundred conventional warheads for the cost of one nuclear warhead.
Yes. Infantry are equipped with recoilless rifles (Carl Gustav), rocket launchers (RPG), and "handheld" mortars like the M224. This is the closest we've gotten to it in real life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOkO8Sh2xsIt's called the High Impulse Weapon system. It was not fully developed and implemented into service because it was not seen as an improvement over current weapons. The Fatman in standard configuration could be fired by a soldier. Turning it into a "shotgun mortar" like your picture would make it impossible for a soldier fire without getting grievously injured or killed by the recoil. Regardless these weapons are supposed to be used with Power Armor; that would dampen some of the effect.
>>64417960A mortar would do a better job
>>64418116Somebody actually did the math and found that the Fallout 4 version is actually pretty close to what you'd expect for a spigot mortar on that size. The real issues are "why the fuck are you using a spigot mortar this isn't WW2 and it was stupid back then" and as was pointed out "why are you going to the effort of making a nuke that fucking small".
>>64417960A less retarded version was developed and tested, and was still retarded OP.
>>64417960hate this shit.
>>64417960I mean, it doesn’t even make sense in-universe; you can find notes from the designers and testers discussing how ridiculous the idea is and how hard it is to get the thing to launch the payload far enough to not cook the operator.
>>64418262>"why the fuck are you using a spigot mortar this isn't WW2 and it was stupid back then"The PIAT made sense in the same way the Sten made sense, it really wasn't great, but the sproing mortar was very cheap and it worked, which is acceptable when you need a million of them yesterday.>"why are you going to the effort of making a nuke that fucking small".It's fucking piddly for a shell of its size, too. A bundle of dynamite could make a more earth shattering kaboom.
>>64419634>It's fucking piddly for a shell of its size, tooThat's probably just another video game thing, outside of autistic simulations most weapons ranges/blast effects are tailored to meet the needs of the game and the limits of the engine rather than explicitly for realism.
>>64420420>That's probably just another video game thingpeople dont seem to understand that video games arent realistic or meant to be realistic
>>64420420>>64420421Yeah, shotguns in particular tend to get nerfed to shit in the games they appear in because otherwise there isn't any incentive to use rifles in most situations, at least not bolt-action ones.Machine guns probably have it worse than shotguns though since the BMG can hit things farther out than any assault rifle but good luck finding any game that will accurately simulate this.
>>64418221>that channel has this video from 17 years ago on ithttps://youtu.be/z9lYIEpqykMA true oldfag
>>64420424somewhat funnily enough, the shotgun in TF2 has realistic spreadyou can get at least half your pellets on target at distances the game considers "medium"though this advantage is diminished by the fact that even the scout can take a face full of buckshot and live
>>64420424If they accurately modelled shotguns loaded with buckshot into a game like COD the players would be screaming bloody murder as they were annihilated in one shot from the other side of the map. They'd also complain that the shotgun wouldn't hit something 5 inches to the left of the barrel at point blank range. For the Fatman, assuming it's a 1kt equivalent blast (anything much smaller than that isn't really worth the bother of using a nuke, even in a setting where they're much more easily produced and tinkered with) you definitely wouldn't want it happening within the range of a spigot mortar from where you were standing - even in power armour you're still probably dead there, and you're going to irradiate most of the battlefield too (depending on wind speed and direction)
>>64420438Lethal Overpressure for a 2000lbs bomb were 50% results in death Is 75 mt according to the calculation of 40PSI
>>64419634There are videos of a Davy Crockett being fired and the explosion is a lot smaller than you would expect. At that size most of the killing power comes from ionizing radiation, which actually would make a lot of sense if everyone is running around in power armor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLEAuapfwHc
>>64418262My headcanon is they were repurposed/redesigned warheads from aircraft munitions
>>64420432There's a theory I read that most of Mann Co.'s munitions are defective, and crits are just the rare occasions when one of them works as intended.
>>64418062>>64418173>>64418268>>64420489All these comparisons to the davy Crockett, isn't the Crockett like five times the volume?
>>64418543I actually was able to legitmately use it during the final mission of Broken Steel
>>64421556Yes but it's a Davy Crockett from the year 2076. Obviously it's not going to look exactly the same after a century of development.
>>64421899>Yes but it's a Davy Crockett from the year 2076No, it's not. It's a Fat Man from the year 2076. You wouldn't call a sadan a pickup truck would you?
>>64422006>sadanESL go home
>>64422026>confuses fictional vidya gayme thing with IRL counterpart>accuses white man of being a pajeet when called outpost hands
>>64422122I don't have hands but I must type
>>64420420The missiles from the chinese sub have tiny explosions as well and in the games backstory those created the glowing sea.>>64420424>NerfedThey usually do a lot of damage even against armored targets. Which is bullshit as well.
>>64418268That thing was insane. The effective range was just barely more than the lethal range of the prompt radiation. It's one the scariest things about micro-nukes like that. You can be outside the lethal range of the blast but still get zapped by gamma rays and neutrons.
>>64417960>>64417974>>64418221It's literally just a PIAT that shoots nukes
>>64420420I know, but that still left the Fat Man a disappointing weapon in FO3. It's a bit better in New Vegas where you can get different kinds of warheads.Never played FO4 because I thought it looked kinda bad, and hadn't learned enough lessons from FO3s errors and things FNV did better.>>64420421That really depends on what kind of games you're looking for, and how they advertise themselves. If the game doesn't outright claim to be particularly realistic about combat and weapons, I'll give them a lot of leeway, but when the subject is a handheld Nuclear Warhead, FO3 just does not deliver enough on it.Shadow Warrior had a WAY cooler handheld Nuclear Weapon in 1997, and that game is patently fucking ridiculous.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m43qWi70rNg>I LIKE NUCLEAR WEAPONS>JUST LIKE NAGASAKIThe little mushroom cloud could probably have been executed better (being just the regular explosion sprite scaled up and playing slower), but the sheer fucking might of it makes it feel amazing.
>>64417960Would it btfo tanks? Would it even matter given the piss poor range? It could be a trench clearer maybe
>>64420432Old games like Doom and Duke Nukem 3D also depicts shotgun spread more generously than a lot of much more modern, and allegedly realistic shooters.>>64420489That's much larger in size and yield than the FO3 Mini Nukes. But also, radiation only affects the player in that game, and you really don't get much radiation at all from those blasts.
>>64422026>t. sadan
>>64421899>Yes but it's a Davy Crockett from the year 2076No it isn't. The fatman is never even vaguely implied to have 1/100th the explosive potential.
>>64421380It's not headcanon; Vertibirds are shown firing the same warhead in FO4.
>>64422436It made perfect sense in context. The plan was to line thousands of them along the East German border, and have them all fire in a single volley the moment war was declared. They weren't so much about destroying hordes of Soviet tanks with the initial weapon effects, but were meant to create an instant radioactive wall that the Soviets would struggle to advance through - buying NATO another week or two to get its pieces into place, and maybe find a diplomatic solution; at the cost of the bulk of the men crewing the Davy Crockets and large numbers of German civilians. It's the same idea that the Brits were playing around with when they came up with Project: Blue Peacock (the infamous 'chicken powered' nuclear landmine), but apparently having the weapons on a mobile launcher rather than buried in the ground didn't upset the West German government as much. >tl;dr - Cold War planning could get pretty fucking crazy
>>64425106Amazing.
>>64417960As opposed to what? Combat scientists are a rarity. Only guy I am specifically aware of is the Darpa robotics guy Jesse Michels interviewed
>>64417960It is real, sort of
>>64422142>The missiles from the chinese sub have tiny explosions as well and in the games backstory those created the glowing sea.>>64420420The unprotected Vault Dweller was canonically within 100 yards of a Fat Man going off and lived to tell of it, it's obviously not *that* powerful.
>>64428823>The unprotected Vault Dweller was canonically within 100 yards of a Fat Man going off Or, yet again, video games =/= real life, and they're not intended to reflect real life any closer than they need to in order to create an engaging experience for the player.
>>64428961>The Fatman must be "really" stronger than it is in both the lore and the mechanics of the game because... because it just HAS TO BE OK?!
>>64429021ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?or do just assume that hoover dam is only 100m like shown in the game?
>>64428823>The unprotected Vault Dweller was canonically within 100 yards of a Fat Man going off<citation needed>
>>64429033You can be like 15 feet away from a Mini Nuke detonating and be outside of its direct blast range, and you'd only get a tiny bit of radiation.
>>64418268Naming weapons of mass destruction after cutesy folk hero's who were actually genocidal maniacs is so American. Or Iranian.
>>64429021>The game where you roam through the wasteland filled with monstrous mutated creatures, where there are literal space aliens in 1950's style flying saucers, where getting your limbs blown off by a landmine can be fixed with a short nap, and where exposure to massive amounts of ionizing radiation can give you mutant superpowers instead of lethal tumors>That game is a direct 1:1 simulation of reality and the only credible source on nuclear weapons
>>64429943Shut up faggot, go play your fallout 4 sloppa
>>64430002What point do you think you're trying to make there, faggot?
>>64430012Go suck off Jeff Bezos and stay the fuck out of the fallout community is what I meant you corpo slop eating loser
>>64430031>Unthinking buzzword soup with 0 relevance to the conversation ITTAI confirmed
>>64429027Suspension of disbelief or scaling due to mechanics/gameplay limitations are things the bethestard fallout 4 fans tiny mind can't comprehend
>>64430002>2012 + 13>Not using Pwings
>>64429524>You can be likeno i can't , not in my playthrough faggot
While we're on the subject of heavy weapons, what's your favorite for hunting Deathclaws? I recently found out the hard way the BAR + turbo drugs does a good job. Going to go after the mother with a fat man from a distance.
>>64430595Medicine Stick from the hills.I am a simple man with simple pleasures.
>>64430491Skill issue.
>>64420421People understand perfectly fine, they're just not autistic like you are.
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>>64421646I legitimately use it all the time by having Jericho carry the launcher while I carry the ammo and grabbing it from him as need be
>>64429943>The game nor the lore can be used to determine the strength of the Fat Man, nor can we take any implications from its role in the environment around it, it must be as strong as I say even though I actually have no idea what the implications on blast size would be when scaling down a nuke that far, and I can't explain why I think it's as strong as I think it is, but if you disagree you're just demanding we take the gameplay as gospel or suggesting the lore is realistic!>If you use the rules of a fictional world to interpret something in that fictional world actually you're wrong!What a fucking retard.
>>64438048all this sperging because someone said that the kaboom of the warheads isn't proportional to their size and was probably done for gameplay reasons, and you expect me to think the other guy is a retard? get real.
