It seems Ukraine has started targeting power substations, specifically it seems from plants providing power to the central regions, including Moscow.If they keep this up, what are the possible consequences beyond pulling an Uno Reverse card and freezing the Russians this winter like they've been trying to do to them over the last few years?Would this have a big impact on their railway system and industrial base, or is everything more westwards, towards the Urals?
This one was set on fire earlier today in Berezniki, Perm Krai, and has left parts of the city without electricity and water.
>>64418779>would this have any effect on industry or the rail networkYes.
This strike against the Veshkaima 500 kV substation in the Ulyanovsk region happened yesterday and local authorities are saying that they expect to replace it in a minimum of seven months.
>>64418830How much of the Russian railway network runs on electric compared to diesel trains?Or would the loss of power lead them to be unable to co-ordinate their trains properly due to the signalling system going down?
Well, they were warned. Russia does this shit - they'll get it in return.
>>64418779>If they keep this up, what are the possible consequences beyond pulling an Uno Reverse card amassive, sustation transformers are very expensive and have very limited global supply and short inentory, most of which is outside Russian reach due to sanctions, Grid operators typically only have a handfull of reserve units, none at all in the case of much of the global south, orders take years to fill. Much of that supply has been going to Ukraine for the last couple of years and is escpecially tight. I guess the Russians would have to cannabilise subsatations from their already dying and depopulating stalin era sythetic communist single industry cities .China does make and export them but order time is measured in years and they have steady domestic demand and export customers that expect order fullfillment. They are also quite costly a few million a piece.
>>64418779>If they keep this up, what are the possible consequences beyond pulling an Uno Reverse card and freezing the Russians this winterwell, it's colder in russia, so...
>>64418862Funniest thing would be them ordering spare parts in China and being told: sorry, first we have to build and deliver the ones Ukraine ordered.
>>64418779It will certainly hinder russian logistics, the human element, well, a russian is a russian, he will use candles if being told to, but you can keep hindering them.
>>64418848Overwhelmingly diesel. Russia has always considered that they will never run out of diesel. And building big power network all the way through siberian railways would be very, very costly. It's not the rail power or diesel running out that they should be worried about. It's the fact that a lot of the modern russian railway equipment were bought from the west and that since the sanctions started, they have had no high quality spares coming in. Things like ball bearings for the wheels, quality electronics and such. Sure, they can sidestep some of the sanctions by buying lesser quality spares from china, or paying extra to have them transported through Kazakstan or something... But they are certainly starting to have difficulties keeping up the rail car fleet. So they just run cars until they wear out. And after that? Well, that's tomorrow's problem. But yeah, there is this slowly creeping infrastructural breakdown which keeps increasing, little by little. Car by car, part by part. At one point, it's going to screech to a halt. All the estimates I have seen have indicated that Russia could probably continue operating normally until "Late 2025 or early 2026". Which doesn't sound very good for Russia.
>>64418862Could they bodge one together by using multiple smaller ones to spread the load, or does it not work like that?
>>64418878It's not just Ukraine, China would take a year to deliver if Russia paid them now. I see them cannabailsing their dying stalin constructed cities infrastructure, which are mainly populated by aging pensioners due to their lower cost of living. The Russian coal industry is currently collapsing and it powers a great proportion of the Russian grid and industrial energy consumption and the thermal plants in Russia are in very poor condition. Their infrastructure has no equivalent to the systems offered by companies like GE for grid management and has multiple stress points already. Russia has less than a thousand substations in th high voltage gruid. If Ukraine starts a capagn against them as with refineries then Russia is in deep shit. The fact is Russia has passed the point of insanity already though both economically and militarily. Russian giverance is pic related. Meanwhile the Ukranian grid is more modern effecient and robust than it was when the war started.
>>64418904Could the issues they are having with the fuel supplies also have an effect on their rail networks, or will they be the last to be affected because of how important they are for their logistics?
>>64418910>Could they bodge one together by using multiple smaller ones to spread the load, or does it not work like that?No, high volate substation tansofrmers are composed of hundre3ds of kilometers of wound wire all of which must be petrefectly insulated from contact with itself. That's why the are slow to make and cost millions. Even high functioning modern states don;t have spares for all their high voltage transormers, they might have them at the ratio of 1 to 50 or less or a drawdown financed via a deal with companies like GE or Siemens
>>64418933>The fact is Russia has passed the point of insanity already though both economically and militarily. Russian giverance is pic related.
>>64418911>still taking the orange skid mark's oral flatulence seriouslyas irrelevant as pootin's, TZD is all that matters
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>>64418910noa transformer built for 11Kv to 400v is simply not capable of handling, lets say 200Kv, it'll blow up
>>64418779>If they keep this up,They will. The telling reason why they haven't bothered to this point is precisely because they presumed their efforts couldn't be sustained, and now they can. Playing your hand too early and too lightly is a terrible thing. I do believe the URK MoD knows that.>>64418911That seems a bit unlikely given he's trying to arrange a meeting with Putin in Budapest. Why bother if you already have 100% buy-in with the Kremlin's goals?
>>64418950Trump has an easy way of not seeing that frontline again which is just to gib weapons, but that might hurt monke's feelings
>Now you remember the zigger narrative that europe was going to freeze to death in winter back in 2023 without russia gas and oil
>>64418937>Could the issues they are having with the fuel supplies also have an effect on their rail networksunlikley, those disels run on quite low grade fuel and are desidned with loose (and ineffecient) tolerances so they can run on it. until western companies helped them Russia struggled to refine good quality fuels, much of their oil is sulphur rich and requires western expertise to refine into gas suitable for 'petrol' modern vehicles or effecient diesel engines in modern vehicles and the Ukranians have been targeting those refineries, Their diesel trains in freight include a lot of soviet era stuff that is shit but will run on mud. About 80% of it is electric though. The Ukranains can absolutely cripple Russia if they keep hitting a few a day. If Russia was sane it would have packed up and left Ukraine over a year ago though as it is it is just insanity in goveance, infrastructure, economy (which is rapidly reverting to some sort of frankenstein centralised planning abomination) and militarily (they have lost the equivalent of their entire pre invasion ground forces and equipment at this point)
>>64418904This lad is shitting you, like 80%+ of rail cargo in Russia is transported using electric power.
>>64418779>we will bomb you into the ice age, hohols!>*bomber harris laughter slowly gets louder*
>>64418977It's going to be bad isn't it?They won't even have the fuel to run generators as a back-up.Did they ever fix the heating pipes that blew up last winter?
>>64418950did monke show trump the secret real army of bears on unicycles?because the one that the rest of the world is incapable of winning anything at all
>>64418971>the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd when actually confronted with factsi try not to shit on americans but it's so surreal seeing how idiotic trump/maga is man
>>64418977>europe was going to freeze to death in winter back in 2023anon, they were saying this just last week after Russia hit some power infrastructure near Kiyv
>>64418848Signalling, maintenance and repair ifnrastructure, loading areas without power etc. Not gonna stop all activity, but everything gets harder to do.>>64418911>off-topic copiumTrump isn't gonna save Russia, no matter how much you seethe about it.
>>64418976>I want Russia and Ukraine to annihilate each other, and hopefully kill as many Europeans as possible.Don't worry now we know what you are you can wait your turn nicely. Rest assured you will be dealt with.
>>64418977Kek I remember. Then it ended up being one of the warmest winter for Europe, wasn't it? Meanwhile, shit was bad in Russia. It's only going to get worse too.
>>64418976>and hopefully kill as many Europeans as possible.way to out yourself as a thirdie and a nigger
>>64418937As far as I understand, the part about Diesel is relatively correct: There is no big lack of diesel, it's just most of it is prioritized for the war effort. Which has led to some places running low for farming needs. Their agricultural output has diminished considerably in the last 2-3 years. But this might also have something to do with periphery people being recruited into the military (with promises of much better pay) so there might not be men to do the farming, rather than lack of fuel.It's the more refined stuff that's running out. And that is overwhelmingly civillian transportation. regular Cars. With refineries blowing up, Russia has lost like 40% of it's refinery capacity, and can no longer supply enough of the the more refined fuels to gas stations. (I recall seeing a number that they can only produce ~80% of domestic needs, but I have no source for that). This has led them to do some desperate things like 1) selling crude oil to india, which then refines it to high-octane petrol and 2) sells it back to russia with significant mark-up. Also, they prioritize the heartland Russia to have the petrol shipments (gotta keep Moscow and St. Petersburg people happy!) so that's one of the biggest reasonw shy the periphery is left without. Pictured: a simplified schematic of how oil refinery tower works. You start from the bottom and work your way upwards. Each step gets you more refined product, but with constantly diminishing results. It just takes more crude oil to make petrol than diesel. So if Ukies hit the refineries, it's more likely that some part of the process can be salvaged and diesel production can continue. But petrol production becomes harder and harder.
>>64418983>This lad is shitting you, like 80%+ of rail cargo in Russia is transported using electric power.This. Even more for passenger. Especially concentrated in westerm Russia. The remaining old societ and other diesels will be in the mid east of Russia in the poorer regions with weak infrastructure
>>64418983https://www.railengineer.co.uk/russian-routes-to-zero-carbon-rail/This site is telling me 85% of passenger and 87% of freight is pulled by electric engines with 50+% of the whole network being electrified which sure is surprising to me, I absolutely assumed Russia stayed on diesel engines.
>>64418779Seems like of focus exactly like allies bombed Germany during WWII, jumping from one target to next without finishing first.(well fact West cant mass produce Shaheeds like Iran and Russia doesn't help)
>>64419006>There is no big lack of dieselkinda-sortaThere is some issue with them swapping over to the winter blend, which is causing shortages not related to Ukrainian strikes (insofar as we know).
>>64418983What makes the power tho?
>>64419018Seems more like they ran out of undamaged gasoline refineries in range to bomb, so now they're bombing the next item on the list.>muh ShasneedsMeanwhile in reality, the West and Ukraine are producing better munitions than Shasneeds, and in greater numbers.
>>64418993It's not like it's a secret. Just look at his pattern of behavoir since the late 80s. He's always been a thin-skinned, egotistical, bombastic midwit.
>>64419002Bhajit dicks are smaller than Charlie Kirk's face
>>64419006Just out of curiosity, where does Mazut fall on this scale, since Russia uses that as a fuel?I know it's shit, but just how shit is it?
>>64419006The fun thing about destroying desalters and AVTs is it completely stops refining operations.
>>64419013>what makes you think you have the luxury of time on your side?History and the fact Russia is already collapsing. India and Hinduism picked the anti European side and that has been noted. Considering India with its population over a billion has an economy smaller than Germany alone and that the EU can cause mass starvatuion in India with a nod, you can expect Indian hindus to reap the emnity they have sown in being 'dear friends' to a mudering Russia dicator in a very European effecient and ruthless way. Interesting to see how their low average IQ population will cope with the consequeces of what their leadership has done and their participation on a national and governmental level in Russias immigration as hybrid warfare planning.. Maybe JD Vance can supply international aid when the paid starts (don't hold your poo waiting though). Europe won't.
>>64419043in the c20 to c70 bracket
>>64419025According to Google, Natural Gas provides 45% of their power with Nuclear, Coal and Hydropower making up the rest.
>>64419043ive been told by a guy who works at refiners all over the world that its more a case of russians calling fuel oil mazut (and other referring to russian fuel oil as mazut) than it actually being a specific flavor of fuel
>>64419043Just above residue/bitumen. It's like only one step up from the worst of the worst. Can't even really use it as a lubricant. It's just gunk. But it burns and that was good enough for soviets.
>>64419051That's pretty bad. Could things that run on something that unrefined run on unrefined crude oil, or is it just not flammable enough in it's natural state?
>>64419013if you're implying that White countries are going to collapse before we have time to purge your curry ass, then you're dead wrong.despite what people thin, White liberals and White conservatives have enough sense to wage a civil war.and White countries are sensible enough to not wage a destructive nuclear war on each other, low intensity warfare is not the same thing.White countries won't collapse into civil war or balkanize any time soon.
>>64418952I don't get it.
>>64419065it is sulphur rich dirty and hard top refine, the engines in black mariahs had to have cylinders with loose tolerances to run on it without siezing which also made them laughably ineffecient
>>64419013The reality that you pajeets will literally choke yourselves on your own shit in that overpopulated cesspit you call a country.
>>64419075They hacked the entirety of Russian messenger service that the government demands must be installed on all phones. They got EVERYTHING. https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1979894593836699753
>>64418911>>64418950What is exactly the point of saying that anyway? If the answer is 'give in or be destroyed' then you give in and all you get is a stay of execution for 10-15 years while Russia rebuilds with established pro-Russian Trump Trade Deals and they invade again and finish the job due to the $500bn and no defensive guarantees to protect them and crushing their economy (thus can't buy or rebuild military).
>>64419084>They got EVERYTHING.
>>64419084Ah. How does this help anything?
>>64419086The threat would work a lot better if Russia hadn't spent years utterly failing to destroy Ukraine. Can't really threaten something *after* trying and failing to do it.
>>64419089Oh, I don't know... maybe backdoors to all phones, probably access to private messages between important people, contact information that can be used to map out contact networks, create sociograms, maybe... If lucky, they might get some juicy compromat out of that on individual level, even. Who knows?
>>64419084Oh my, now we get to see if the SBU can 'make everything bomb' as Russian officers, politicians and goons have active locationsBe a shame if your meeting with your ladyboy at the sodomite hotel got interrupted later
>>64419091Then why say it? Russia is destroying Ukraine. This doesn't mean advancing, it just means that every single bit of land it 'claims' is burned out, rubble strewn, economically negative territory. It's totally fucking useless outside of Putin's map painting autism. I don't understand why Trump is so fucking schizo. I've said it before, Trump's view is essentially whatever the last person said ti him. He's like a child. Got a child you want to do stuff? Give him some candy. He'll do whatever you want if you give him candy, pat him on the head and go 'good boy'. This is Trump. But if you try and treat the child with a modicum of respect or equality, i.e 'No you shouldn't do that because it hurts the dog' when he pulls the dog's tail, it makes the kid screech and shout and stamp feet. This is Trump. He is like the child of a rich and powerful person who has had no actual intellectual or social training or experience and always expect it to go their way. Trump wants simple solutions (like a child) and doesn't like doing things that require effort (which is to give Ukraine enough weapons and support for them to kick Russia out).If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.
>>64419071There are more Europeans of native descent now in Europe than there were just before WW1. India gets no more international aid gobs from the EU after their fucking around but if they don;t fully open their domestic markets to European goods and learn their place then they can find out just how food insecure India really is for fun. The entire Indian economy is barely bigger than the UKs, Its smaller than Germany alone and a nothing compared to the EU or USA. Hindu nationalists fucked around in cozying up to a mudering Russian discator. Thweir participation in Putins immigratio0hn as hybrid warefare madness has been well noted, Now they will get to find out having fucked around. The completion of eliminating Ryussia as a threat to civilisation must forst be completed though and aside from inane US fucking around sucking the anus with a shower of kgb cunts that targeted them with nukes for 50 years that job is just about done. Brazil might be salvaged from the 'global south' mess yet but India is fucked as is south africa. They have effectively burnt their brides with the EU while privking around, seemingly wrapped up in Russia propaganda amout the collapse of capialism/ the decadent west/the EU/The dollar etc etc. They are in for an extremely bad time and they deserve it. I ndon;t think India will exist in 509 years, itb will be broken up and disbursed to conrol by China, the EU and the USA. That's the problem with bad choices and fucking around with asssisting in the muder of Europeans. The bill comes due.
>>64419107>Then why say it? Russia is destroying Ukraine.We already know your an idiot from the third worlf with no grasp of reality.>>64418933>Meanwhile the Ukranian grid is more modern effecient and robust than it was when the war started.
>>64419107>Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.that's cute. i'll give them 10 months tops. probably closer to 8.
>>64419043It's a "Class 3" bunker fuel ("bunker" as in a ship's fuel bunker), iirc.There's no technical reason to keep calling it "mazut." It's just a low-grade product that most people would dismiss as a waste byproduct.Same as calling German Armor "Panzer." Just makes something sound more esoteric, exotic, interesting.Practically speaking, Mazut's kind of like asphalt that's been warmed up and softened for pouring. Very stable, slow-burning. Hard to pump, very dirty. Very cheap.
>>64419114Why didn't you read the rest of my post? This is destroying. Fuck off retard.The irony of your post is you clearly didn't read my entire post, so I assume English is your second language and my big words confused you. That's understandable. I see you just copy and pasted something you've seen replied to you many times and tried to fit in, that's also OK. It's like using 'projection' and not understanding what it means. Again, that's fine. You'll learn English soon enough, keep going with Duolingo lessons.
>>64419107>If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.What ecxpertsa are those? The propagandists Russia thows rubles to in the hindustani times or do you mean pic related Russia is bankrupt and utterly fucked.Russia can 'claim' whatever it likes but it has no way to continue except to REDUCE military spending.
>>64419118Tend to agree with that. Until midsummer next year, tops, before something radical happens inside Russia that forces them to at least sue for cease fire.
>>64419107>If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.Now THAT is bullshit. The Russians know damn well that they need to wrap this shit up before Donny Boy leaves office (whether he gets voted out or dies of old age is neither here nor there).
>>64419123Germany's Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said that Putin wants to attack NATO in 5-8 years, so I assumed, at the extreme, Putin plans for the war to last 8 more years at most.
>>64419120YOu assume wrong. You post was tiddled with laughable nonsense and garbage aboutr a US politician. This is a strategy and warfare and weapons board and strategy says by every measure RUSSIA IS FINISHED.>>64419107>If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.yeah?
>>64419084>They got EVERYTHING.So? Everyone already knew everything.
>>64419120Protip. You can rebuild cities.
>>64419130>Putin wants to attack NATO in 5-8 years>wantsHitler wanted to win WW2.
>>64419126>sue for cease firethat would scream 'we lost!' to everyone pretty much
>>64419131>laughable nonsense and garbage aboutr a US politicianbut he's right. go and look up trump. we've seen him flipped from>nato started this war, leave putin aloneto>putin has started this stupid warto>russia will destroy ukraineto>i have stopped russia being destroyedto>i won't send any aid to ukraineto>i will send air to ukraineto>i won't send any long range weapons to ukraineto>i will send tomahawks (he didn't but he said)to>i won't use usa to protect natoto>i will honor obligations to protect natothis isn't 'art of the deal' or 'keep them guessing' this is insanity and has spooked so many fucking allied states that they're freaking out.
>>64419118Sort of depends on how deep Russia wants to dig into its Pidor reserves in the western half of the country and how far the double down hole goes. There is some serious problems in terms of employment, cash flow and some pretty fucking nuts amounts of inflation.Kind of hard to put a time onMore a case of how flogged out that dead horse can take another beating each day after day, because it will only get worse as wars are horrendously expensive
>>64419130>Germany's Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said that Putin wants to attack NATO in 5-8 years, so I assumed, at the extreme, Putin plans for the war to last 8 more years at most.Stay in India and starve there you halfwit. If you think Russia can continue as it is while cutting its military budget you are derranged. Russia attacking NATO would be simply their nutjob 'escalate to descalate' shit not with ANY hope of sucess in doing so. In other words to create such a huge risk of nuclear exchange they get a ceasfire and left to seethe in crimea. That won't work out for them either.You don't even understand what you are reading. The arrival of the third world on mobiles runied this site and the internet. You really are all cretins. Again. Russia is bankrupt and deep in a military and economic quagmire. Its cash reserve is GONE. Its soviet era heavy weapons stockpile is GONE. Its economy is GONE. Its 2022 ground forces are GONE. Its profitable oil and gas exports pre 2022 are GONE. Its coal industry is GONE. Its not leading the global south in a triumpant victory over the decadent west is a turd being flushed down a beautifully made strategic toilet.
>>64418779>targeting power substationssome months ago, in a thread about Ukraine bombing a russian train station I said:>this is stupid, they should bomb electrical transformers insteadand some genius here said that I was a "retard" who had no idea what he was talking about.I hope you see this asshole.
>>64419033>Seems more like they ran out of undamaged gasoline refineries in range to bombGet more range duh.>producing better munitions than Shasneeds, and in greater numbers.you are making things up
everybody point at him and laugh
>>64419144So far Trump has had no effect on Russias detrioration other than to keep Putin from quittinng his losses. The EU and Ukraine are not ever going to let Russian annexation be recognised. Russia is one a one way trip to hell no matter what breathing space Trump tries to create with Putin. Russia is doomed. Its in an open state of emity with a massively more powerful block compsed of the EU+UK right next to it that has decided to sxwitch it off. That's not going to change as long as a single Russian remains in Crimea.
>>64419142Well, if they simply can not continue the war due to logistical reasons they just have to sue for cease fire or risk the total collapse of their army. That might be even worse than admitting that the war is not working out and that they kinda lost.
>>64419178at the economist or putin?
>Europe will freeze for real this time!>ziggers freeze insteadPottery
>>64419187>they simply can not continue the war due to logistical reasonswell that's textbook defeat and ceasfire would only be granted if they were willing to surrender. which they won't. so ukies would have to clean up all the trash that is still left or wait for it to go back to russia. either way, what i'm trying to say is russians simply saying 'timeout! pretty please!' won't work.
>>64418779Ukraine is doing this so you know it's the current meta>>64419191Monke obviously,
>>64419130Then you misinterpreted. What he meant was that Russia wants a favourable ceasefire (i.e., getting territory they haven't even conquered yet, neutrality and limits on the Ukrainian military etc) right now and then spend a few years rebuilding their forces before they try to conquer the rest of Ukraine and move on into Eastern Europe (presumably at least as far as the old Iron Curtain).He most certainly DID NOT mean that Russia could go from 8 more years of war with Ukraine to an attack on NATO. Their military is in tatters right now and needs total reorganisation and rearmament to have any chance of taking on NATO. Why do you think the Russians haven't struck any of the European factories supplying the Ukrainian war effort beyond low-level plausibly deniable sabotage? Because they are absolutely terrified of NATO/the EU entering the war.
>>64419165No one expects Russian collapse even when administered with mindbending incompetence and then everyone is shocked when Russia collapses. Same old story. There are genuine retards on here who used to belive Ryussia could invade and defeat the EU states and UK. Yes really. With an economy one 12th the size and less than half the populatuion with grossly inferior weapons both in quality and quanity. Never forget the third world is as it is primarily becaus ethe people who live there in abunant natural resources are in the vast majority barely two generations out of mud huts and child sacrifice (looking at you hindu India and central Aftica). They worship moscow because it seems like their idealised fetish of criminal gang as a state and because moscow tells them nothing is their responsibility and anything wrong is all the evil Europeans and Americans who gave them electricity and trains.
>>64419089>How does compromising every single phone in Russia help?...anon.
>>64419187It's not a matter of if russia is going to suffer an operational collapse, it's a matter of when. The if part is if it's just going to be a general refusal to attack, a full on mutiny with units simply leaving the front, or a full on revolt.
>>64419200Oh, true. If Russia simply tries to get a cease fire and call for timeout, it certainly won't work for them. If Russia can't continue fighting, Ukies will just roll over them (might take a while, but they will do it). What I meant was "If Russian ability to continue waging war stops, their only hope is to 1) Sue for cease fire, 2) try to organize some kind of deal like "Ok, you get donbass, Luhansk and Zaporizza back, but we will keep Crimea" and hope that it would be enough of a deal to get accepted (and that they could then maybe get back into world economic markets). It would absolutely be a "loss" as they would not gain any of their strategic objectives, but it might be just enough to prevent the collapse of their military and/or state. And it just might keep the Silovikis in power, which might be enough for them to dump the blame on Putin.Just go home, tell everyone "This was Putin's fault!" and throw him under the bus. Maybe pretend it had to be done to prevent a nuclear war or some other excuse. Russian state continues, a government changes but the real power players stay in power. Then play nice and hope that you get to return to the world stage. If that keeps the Siloviki in power, it might be the most they can get out of this shit-show. Because... what's the alternative, if you can't fight anymore?
>>64419254I suspect Budanov has a very long list of names and after the war there's going to be Mossad level shenanigans.
>>64419254>Russian state continuesi'm afraid we can't allow that to happen, sorry
>>64419267Already, mayors and civil servants in the occupied territories who collaborate a little too hard have tended to have a very kinetic end.
>>64419218>any chance of taking on NATO.never happenRussian economy pre invasion a tiny fraction of the EU or US one. Russia military technology extremely weak Vs the EU or USAEven pre invasion the EU alone dwarfed Russia in terms of air power both in quality and quanity equally European standing arnmies are LARGER than Russias entire military and are infintely better being fully professionalised and have vastly superior weapons and training.Then there is the simple fact that including Ukraine and the UK there are roughly 500 million people Vs Russias collapsing demographic of 144 million, 1/3rd of which are pensioners and the rest of which are riddled with aids, ill health and a massive capial and brain drain.Any Russian attemps to fuck around with nato are a desperate gamble to 'escalate to descalate' which won't pay off, bourne of the same demented delusions as their invasion of Ukraine.I see lost, cold and forlorn looking third worlders wandering around in the cold autum winter here on the wet streets in my nice European country. Its interesting watching their delusions of being some sort of triumphant colonisers of a decadent collapsing Europe where they get to rape blondes and harvest gold from the pavement turn into the harsh reality of being a undersized, poorly educated, relatively physicaly weak social reject stuck on a cold wet street desperate to get work delivering food by peddling miles on a push bike for people who's houses are worth more than their entire village back home. These are the same people who think Russia can 'invade' Europe or fight Ukraine for 8 years. They are simpletons with the minds of children who believe whatever shit the kremlin spams to their mobiles which is also how they wound up pennyless and unwanted ona wet cold street clutchiong a student visa. India CEOs my ass..I look forward to the regular winter news reports of their corpses being found in alleys.
>>64419254If they can't fight anymore there's no reason to take any kind of deal whatsoever, just starve out the trenches and roll them over, same with Crimea and whatever else there is. If they keep struggling - go to Moscow.
Winter is coming.
>>64419267Oh absolutely. Even if there is a cease fire and some kind of peace deal, it's in Ukraine's intrest to keep fucking the Russian internal politics as much as they can. Just to keep them from uniting and becoming a new threat in the future. But they can play that game. If they secure their country from imminent existential threat, and Russia has their own internal problems to sort out, Ukies can play the long term spy games.
>>64419285>If they can't fight anymore there's no reason to take any kind of deal whatsoever, just starve out the trenches and roll them over, same with Crimea and whatever else there is. If they keep struggling - go to Moscow.No. Just let their collapsing econmy, militarty and infrastructure take effect. Vastly more destructive, and have it go on for as long as possible undil every singkle one of them curses Putins name and their own stupidity
They have realized that Trump is worthless and are preparing for a possible pyrrhic loss. Next year will become a show of which country folds first from power infrastructure becoming unusable.
>>64418848The network outside of military Barrett works anymore. The state railway company just got an emergency loan because shipments are down so much.
>>64419315Ukraines power grid is vastly more resilent and modern than it was just before Russia invaded. That's right. Its BETTER than it was pre invasion. Keep believing your kremlin bullshit for retarded third worlders. The Ukranians fully deserve their victory. They are Europeans.
>>64419315Considering the stated goal of russia is the destruction of Ukraine, not just as a sovreign nation but as a culture and people, I doubt the Ukranians are going to surrender.
>>64419107>Russia is destroying Ukraine.And Ukraine is destroying Russia, and doing it faster than the other way around.>If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.[citation needed]
I would like to add to this conversation by saying that Moldova is completely rebuilding their grid RIGHT NOW to cuck Transnistria.
>>64419330I sometimes wonder who is more deluded about the propects of the EU or Ukraine backing down to a vastly weaker power headed by a war criminal, the KGB or MAGA
>>64419315That would be a damn stupid plan, as Ukraine has constant supply of new infrastructure material flowing in from the rest of the Europe. They can most likely keep repairing their systems a lot longer than Russia can.I just can't see any way out of this for Russia that would be easier, cheaper and less painless than just CALL IT QUITS AND GO HOME. Yes, their government might fall, but their state would survive. Their army, despite badly mangled and only a rump of it's former self, would at least still exist and could be maybe hopefully restructured. Their infrastructure would stop blowing up and if they would just throw Putin under the bus, blame everything on him, and promise to play nicely in the future ...then MAYBE the rest of the world might start to think doing business with them again. Maybe.That's the LEAST painful way out of this.
>>64419173>you are making things upNice projection, dalit.
>>64419342>That would be a damn stupid plan, as Ukraine has constant supply of new infrastructure material flowing in from the rest of the Europe.>They can most likely keep repairing their systems a lot longer than Russia can.>>64419329>Ukraines power grid is vastly more resilent and modern than it was just before Russia invaded. That's right. Its BETTER than it was pre invasion.https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-energy-sector-resilience-after-three-years-full-scale-war"Despite concerns in Ukraine and the West, and contrary to Russia’s expectations, Ukraine’s energy sector is still standing strong after three years of war and continuous military strikes. Ukraine has responded to damage and destruction with rapid repairs, upgrades, and the construction of new facilities. From the very first day Russia launched its full-scale invasion, Ukraine has accelerated its integration into the European energy market and implemented key reforms. Rather than being Ukraine’s Achilles’ heel, the energy sector has, after three years of war, proven to be a vital line of its defense. "
This retard could have the easiest and greatest win for the US since ww2 but for some reason he doesn't want it.
>>64419342Except that ends with Putin and friends at best losing power and going into comfortable exile (until their car mysteriously explodes), falling out a window after shooting themselves in the back of the head twice, or (if rumors about Monke's fears are to be believed) getting dragged through the streets and tortured to death by an angry mob. The government is the state. Russia as we know it ceases to exist without the current power structure. I don't know what would fill the vacuum but I do know the chaos would make the 90s look like a minor economic slump and there's enough russians terrified at that thought to keep their heads down and mouths shut.
>>64419267No need to suspect, they've been very open about it for a long time.
>>64419359Among the top foreign policy blunders in US history
>>64419107>Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.Which would be pretty much a win for NATO, even if sucked for Ukraine the whole time.Tying Russia into Ukraine for 8 more years, while NATO keeps cutting off the russian pieces from the global board one by one and improving the military industry and technology. And in the end NATO gets a freeroam on collapsing russia in guise of "securing" russian nuclear assets before "non-state actors" can get them.
>>64419359I bet it was Vance and Hegset feeding this retardation to him after he asked opinions about Putins phonecall.
>>64419359rumors say he's a kgb asset
>>64419362No it ends up with mass protests by miners and pensioners and FSB being thrown off rooftops by bitter veterans and the young chidren of oligarchs mudered wholesale as they prance around in larpy cadet uniforms . History repeats and that's especially true of Russia. The Romanovs were considered absolutely secure in their grip on power until they were not. Russia is breaking up NOW as we atch, the caucasus first and then siberia and the ethnic enclaves in the east along with siberia which has been milked dry and utterly neglected and pillaged by moscow for a generation. Putin has done more to completely end Russia as it exists today than based Reagan could ever have hioped for in his wildest dreams. It was always an IMperialist construct since Catherine the Great (a prussian...) and empires either expand or die. Russia is over, it's in the terminal stage of a decline that began in the 1860s because its built on a vicious authoritarian state and belligerance utterly incompatible with civilisation or peace, yet not much good at war either.
>>64419377He's just a wishy-washy senile who woke up grumpy that day. Watch him Invite Stub golfing again in two weeks and suddenly he is the biggest fan of Ukraine.
>>64419376Fox Newsroom = Kremlin asset. As tuicker how good bread smells in moscow, is it as sweet as putins anus?
>>64419375I've said this before and I'll say it again, just buy the warheads for more than terrorists can afford to pay. It might cost trillions to get them all but it's still more cost effective than one going off in a major city.>but what about disposalDump them all in the middle of the Pacific. Water is an excellent radiation shield and they can sit down there and quietly turn to lead.
>>64419107>>If you believe experts, Russia is planning for this to go on for at least another 8 years.They are not very good at planning then.Note: Pic related only covers what is visible. Preferential loans that the government forced banks to issue to the defense industry companies/mortgage holder/etc to prop those up are not covered. Note 2: Budget revenues are not growing. They're contracting. Ooops
>>64419384i don;t think Trump himself is even if they have eipstein kompromat onn him or his bride but I've a high degree of certainly that several of the people standing close to him are.
>>64419390>Dump them all in the middle of the Pacific.NO. NUKE THE MOON.
>>64419283>I see lost, cold and forlorn looking third worlders wandering around in the cold autum winter here on the wet streets in my nice European country. Its interesting watching their delusions of being some sort of triumphant colonisers of a decadent collapsing Europe where they get to rape blondes and harvest gold from the pavement turn into the harsh reality of being a undersized, poorly educated, relatively physicaly weak social reject stuck on a cold wet street desperate to get work delivering food by peddling miles on a push bike for people who's houses are worth more than their entire village back home. These are the same people who think Russia can 'invade' Europe or fight Ukraine for 8 years. They are simpletons with the minds of children who believe whatever shit the kremlin spams to their mobiles which is also how they wound up pennyless and unwanted ona wet cold street clutchiong a student visa. India CEOs my ass..I look forward to the regular winter news reports of their corpses being found in alleys.goddam son, you fucking hit them harder than the Bengal Famine
>>64419392And the loans the government has taken during war have huge interest rates they can't afford to pay. And the rate of smaller oligarchs having armed IRS agents come in to arrest them with corruption charges and taking their assets is increasing.
>>64419390Well, duh. But the point is to secure the northern sea route, which is easiest done by taking over more or less direct.y, which makes it convenient that quite large part of russian nuclear assets are in the northern parts of russia.Southern russian nuclear assets can be just be bought off from warlords, that is true enough.
>>64419376>I bet it was Vance and HegsetNeither has ever voiced a thought that they did not hear Trump say first.Trump is retarded, there is no 5d chess, WYSIWYG.
>>64419396REVENGE FOR BOSTON! REMEMBER 2007!
>>64419410Too obvious, you need to lay it less thick
>>64419410>laying it this thickcmon mate put in some effort
>>64418911Does he just switch stances every fucking day now?
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>>64419397It's the truth anon, no harm in them reading it. They live in acute poverty and die like flies during winter, here the teenagers beat them up (they are bigger than them) and at this time of year throw fireworks as them. I have no sympathy because I see their mindset towards my nation on dispay on this site daily. They are an expendible component in Russias immigration as hybrid warfare strategy and it does not end well when they sell everything they have to buy a student visa. It ends in poverty, cold, death by exposure and miserable pooly paid menial work that won't even cover their own food let alone rent and they are primarily exploited by their own expatriates. They have to 'rent' push bikes and mobiles on a daily rate and hope someone will order food and they waddle around in old worn coats to big for them desperately trying to pedal pushbikes to big for them in driving rain. Clowns. All telling their relativees they work in tech and are datinng a playboy model. Droves of them are found dead every winter or little rats nests of them dead of carbon monoxide poisioning packed into one room illegally sublet to 20 of them. The great Indian CEOs.
Should have done it like Japan (SOVL) by having all your transformers on shitload of pilons. Can't knock out the network if the network is decentralized.
I want a warlord era for russia.
>>64418911Can't he just go back to prompt literal shit tier AI video like the good thirdie he is?
>>64419359some of his closest cultists are definitely ziggers, but the real problem is that orange julius 100% believes he'll win some sort of prize if he can just bully zelenskyy into taking a deal. he doesn't give a shit about anybody in ukraine or russia, all he wants is to get a shiny medal and cement his legacy
>>64419463You'll nearly defnitely get one, most of the oligachs still operate PMCs
>>64419471None of that will stop a vastly larger power that Russia decided to make an enemy that is right next to most of its more propserous bits choking Russia to death and keeping both arms and money flowing into Ukraine.
>>64418779For me the big question is whether the substation campaign is an expansion of Ukraines existing strategic bombing effort against the oil infrastructure or a switch of targets in response to the russians concentrating air defences around the oil stuffif its the former then the Russians could be in serious trouble
>>64419471Tho I'd like to see his threats to Europe if they won't support his botched peace deal.
>>64419483The Russiams are facing armed insurgerts popping up in the caucuses as well. Russia is covered in cracks it is just a mttere of when, not if, it shatters.
Odd that there has been no Russian chimpout bombing yet.
>>64419485>Tho I'd like to see his threats to Europe if they won't support his botched peace deal.He has three years. The EU and Ukraine has forever. Russia is fucked and right now it is hamorraging daily.
>>64419490>Odd that there has been no Russian chimpout bombing yet.They don't have the capability anymore. Ukraine blew up a bag of the factories making drone and missile components
Opinions on Netherlands openly saying that they have stopped sharing all intelligence with USA due to fears that someone there is leaking information to Russia?
>>64419490They are pretty much living from hand to mouth when it comes to chimpouts, and they already had couple of big ones recently, so they probably have not stocked up enough yet to penetrate the air defence.I'd estimate next saturday the next chimpout day
>>64419496I don't blame them, our current administration is definitely compromised
>>64419496>Opinions on Netherlands openly saying that they have stopped sharing all intelligence with USA due to fears that someone there is leaking information to Russia?They are correct. It may be unfair on Trump himself or even the broader US population but he has russian assets standing next to him and that's something the US public have the sole right to deal with..They even shut down the FBI in case it fingered them. If it comes to conflict with China the US is in a very dangerously vcompromised condition. IN the end of the day the EU and UK can go it alone and still crush Russia and support Ukraine. Only a tiny percent of Russian trade was ever with the US and the Europeans can just switch from spening on US weapons to spending on their own production which has ramped up massively as has the Ukranians precisely becaus ethe US president has compromised Russian assets standing next to him. Its an open secret who they are as well..
>>64419149Damn, Putin is looking rough. Has his cancer gotten any better? Is it just war stress? Either way he at least looks his age instead of like a weird bloated homunculus.
>>64419165This is Russia we're talking about, you need to understand they are retards.>Bomb everything but power>Winter approaches>Because power has not been targeted, there is zero defenses in place around it>Power is now targeted at the worst possible time>O blyad we must of defendings power>After 40% of power infrastructure is destroyed, there is finally defenses in place>....Just in time for a new target to be selected>The cycle of total infrastructure death continues
>>64419483I'd say it is a bit of both. Turning russian size against it is pretty solid strategy when it is simply impossible for russia to cover all of its important assets with anti-air.Which is kinda funny when putins summer villa has supposedly 12 anti-air systems dedicated to it, in comparison to just 68 that are around moscow.
>>64418937the map is misleading but I wouldn't expect anything better from an oshit propaganda outletthe correct title should be "regions where we snapped a single photo of one gas station not selling diesel or gasoline any time from august to october"the real indicator would be widespread fuel rationing by the military and the industry
>>64419545>the real indicator would be widespread fuel rationing by the military and the industryBoth things that russia would try to keep quiet as long as possible. If we actually had heard of those, it would basically mean that russia is already in full collapse mode.
>>64419493I wish that was the case Eurobro, but alas, his hybrid warfare, if nothing else, does work. I'm frightened to see in my own family and coworkers many zigger talking points being spouted. I see the exact same/pol/brainrot being spouted by normalfags, all from Xitter algos. I see votes going towards what will be the MAGA equivalent. His hybrid warfare does work. The current government structure are doing their job, but I wouldn't be so sure about the next governments that will act like the US' one. Romania was close to switch, Germany has to compromise too much and will switch one day, France will definitely switch with MAGA-like ziggers cum slurpers, Belgium next, Hungary and Slovakia are full blown traitors. Fucking HECK, the next round of Trump Putin meeting is in fucking Budapest. In fucking EU while Putin has a mandate on his ass. From a country that's supposed to enforce the Rome treaty. I know EU enough to know it can't supercede those particular national prerogatives, it's not a Federation and doesn't have the structure nor the means to act against that, but for fucks sake I still wish EU would say that faggot won't land anywhere and hise plane will be shot down upon entering EU space. Alas, nothing will happen, and that infamous meeting will take place.
>>64419471>all he wants is to get a shiny medal and cement his legacyThe fucking insane part about this, is he could so easily cement his legacy by just helping Ukraine and bringing NATO together. Instead of having tantrums and flipflopping on his position literally daily.
>>64419596he lacks the balls to do it and the many wormtongues in his administration make the problem even worse.
>>64419606Back during the Cold War someone in the US administration donning a red necktie alongside a hammer+sickle pin would've been preposterous, but I guess in 2025 coming across as pandering to one's geopolitical opponents is based.
>>64419638Perceived enemy side got angry therefore it good.
>>64419130Anon, Russia after this is going to be a regional power at best. There's a 0% chance he engages in open warfare with NATO, especially 8 years from now when the situation is even worse economically and demographically.
>>64419018Russia doesn't have nearly enough AD assets to defend every target in the country, but they'd have enough to defend every remaining refinery IF they didn't have to defend anything else. So if the Ukrainians were to hyper-fixate on any one category of target, they'd run into diminishing returns as Russia concentrated its air defense systems more and more around a shrinking number of facilities.But Russia is a big place and Ukraine has a limited capacity for long-range strikes, so if the Ukrainians were to completely disperse their efforts across every category of target, Russia would be able to absorb the blow without suffering too much of a disruption. Sure, their losses would add up over time, but there wouldn't be a sudden shock to the system (a leaking tire is a problem, but it's easier than dealing with a blown tire).The reason why Ukrainian strikes on specific types of targets come in waves is because when they hit a bunch of refineries in a row, Russia will understandably move air defense assets to protect their other refineries but they can only do that by robbing Peter to pay Paul so which means somewhere in Russia, there's an ammo dump or an airfield or a transformer or chemical plant that's left undefended. So Ukraine switches to targeting ammo dumps, and Russia will move in AD assets from elsewhere. And when the damaged refineries finally get repaired, there won't be an AD system there to defend them, because they've been moved to guard ammo dumps. Russia's being forced to play a game of whac-a-mole as their AD branch gets attritted fighting in Ukraine. And it's not a game they can win.
>>64419359he wants that bobo peace prize by any means necessary. i doubt he really cares what the terms are as long as he can say he made it happen.
>Siberia is starting to openly discuss secession wew lad didn't have that one on my bingo card.
>>64419685sauce?
>>64419267>>64419368No expiry date on war crimes, next year, 50 years, 100 years- all still valid until the end of daysPersonally I'm up for the TZD of 3 generations being responsible being held to account>>64419519Yeah he's a bit haggard when you see the real Monke, the cloned Monkes are much more lively, have facial expressions, can string cohesive thoughts together and don't have the coof coff that the real Monke has
>>64418779>strategic bombingAwww maaan. Anytime I hear that term, I want to see 4 engined bombers flying in box formation. Please, ukies. At least send your drones in "1000 bomber raids".
>>64419685You have not been paying attention then. Siberia has had an secession undercurrent for long time now, all the way back to soviet times.Monke just has had that suppressed, but when the oppression machine is dying in ukraine and focusing to keep moscow from going into flames, the voices will inevitably get louder again.Another part that you should keep eye on is Kaliningrad, that one is going to declare independence and plead NATO/EU assistance as soon as Russia is forced to move more of their military assets from there.
>>64419696https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/10/19/frontline-report-russias-empire-starts-to-crack-as-separatist-fires-quietly-begin-flickering-from-siberia-to-the-caucasus/Disclaimer- this is just the first Google result, I did not bother to fact check it so do your own homework if you don't think it's a valid source.
>>64419579Yeah, nah. If at all, Romania was the high water mark. Germany isn't gonna switch anytime soon, and France? LMAO; LePen can't even run in the 2027 elections because she's a convicted criminal now. Hell, the next big one is HUNGARY; and it ain't looking too hot for Orban.
>>64419685>>64419712>>64419713CIA/HATO color revolutions? In Puccia itself? Will the bum touching Anglo-Saxons ever stop their scheming?
>>64419698>expiry dateDude, Budanov isn't doing this the legalistic way. Him and his boys are straight car-bombing the fuckers on their daily commute.
>>64419756Personally I'm a fan of the Scooter Bomb, that'll get a nigga every time
>>64419713Shit Don't Occur and all that but interesting article anon
>>64419713Gonna be interesting times ahead when those war-trained and generally disillusioned people return from ukraine.
>>64418952>CидopoвaSidorovich confirmed.
>>64419015>I absolutely assumed Russia stayed on diesel engines.Staying on Diesel would have been a good idea in Russia for the same reason it's a good idea in the Untied States, but since it's a good idea it's safe to assume they didn't do it.
>>64419798>ReturnGood thing 5d chess giga brain tsar Monke makes sure 99% of them die! Surely this will prevent insurrection?
>>64418809>parts of the city without electricity and waterBut what happened after the bombing?
>>64419187Collapse is better because then you can blame internal enemies instead of having to admit you failed.
>>64419084>They got EVERYTHING.>https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1979894593836699753Holy shitting dick nipples, batman.
>>64418989>They won't even have the fuel to run generators as a back-up.Oh no!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPQFF0oqsto
>>64419396>Close-up of Edward Teller's helmet>"I will finish what you started".
>>64419463It's called "Time of Troubles 2: Monke Business" and it stars False Vladimirs I through XXVII (lots of Putin body doubles will be looking for work)
>>64419496>Opinions on Netherlands openly saying that they have stopped sharing all intelligence with USA due to fears that someone there is leaking information to Russia?Its butthurtness after Trump forced the dutch government to nationalize a chink owned low cost low tech chip manufacturer that in turn promptly got sanctioned by china, rendering the company worthless since 80% of their production came from china.
>>64419471>>64419657He knows the Peace Prize is picked by five Norwegians, right, and not like twitter users from BRICS countries? Shafting Europe isn't a viable path to getting the award.
>>64419084How many asses in other asses even in that?
>>64420102I'm legitimately impressed by how you made China losing a ton of money because they couldn't rein in their stupid fuckfuck games sound like the Netherlands somehow lost... at least for the second or so it takes to process the sentence you just read. Then of course the illusion is shattered and reality reasserts itself but for that second or so, it sounds convincing. Well done.
>>64420133You already know the answer to that because everyone knows everything.
>>64420102>rendering the company worthless since 80% of their production came from china.Ehhh, it's opposite. NXP makes ARM controllers that used in cars and industrial machines. 80% of the them are used by China, not made up in China.NXP chips are defused in US/EU and packaged in Taiwan/Malaysia
>>64418989The Two Cities will have everything from food to heating. Its the rest of Russia that will have nothing. I wonder if we get to see Frostpunk obr.2026
>>64420137Literally this time.
How likely is it that russian will end up looting transformers from Belarus in order to keep moscow powered up?
>>64420102>The company (which is the specialized and expensive equipment located in the Netherlands) is now worthless!
>>64419496Totally warranted imo; no one should be sharing intelligence with the US currently.
>>64419698>No expiry date on war crimes, next year, 50 years, 100 years- all still valid until the end of daysDon't worry, the Russians already thought of that. It turns out something can't be a war crime if it's already a regular crime.
>>64420118What gets me the most is that it seems that NOBODY pointed out to Trump that this year's award was for actions taken in 2024 and the nominees were basically locked in in January. He was never going to get it this year and any member of the US diplomatic corps would have been able to tell him that.
>>64418779>effect on industryWell, if you run a steel mill with arc-smelters, you are gonna have a bad time>railway systemnot really, most of Russias trains are diesel. The electrified rail is the Moscow-Pidorsburg line
>>64420168Do you want to be the person who tells Trump he can't have what he wants? Ask Mike Pence how that goes.
>>64420168It's Trump. They probably told him about 70 times before giving up and just agreeing to make grandpa stop his syphilis rambling.
>>64419086>stay of execution for 10-15 yearsOr like 1-2 years
>>64419107>This is Trump.Russians had a joke like:>A president, a billionaire a hysterical (woman) walk into a bar>The bartender asks: Mr. Trump, what can I get you?
>>64419283They'll just have chinks finance them to be a distraction for the west
>>64419375>while NATO keeps cutting off the russian pieces from the global boardare they? US removed sanctions from belarus, israel is pushing for russia to keep bases in syria
>>64418779Pasha might just end up having to eat his own hamster this winter
>>64420214>US removed sanctions from belarusPart of piece cutting, USA is trying to carve belarus off from russia.>israel Not part of NATO
>>64419579nothing will EVER happens. France and Germany they will be Brown in two generations anyway so fuck them.>>64420219KEK
>>64420223>USA is trying to carve belarus off from russia>a country that's integrated with russia since late 90s via the "union state treaty">a country which exists on russian subsidies>a country infiltrated with russian media and spooks>a country which has more russian military in it than domestic militaryThis is retarded, you can't carve it out with the current government, it's de-facto a vassal state at best. You'd first need to dislodge the local autocrat before anything would be possible.
>>64420168Who would tell that to him? His HQ is filled with retards
>>64420232Luka could get offed pretty quickly, and then bets are off.
>>64420240Yes, but he won't unless there's political will for that in US or something. Nobody will off him in his own country, he spent even more years than monke at the helm, he literally has his own sons in the government handling shit like security.
>>64420246Trump has been breaking pretty numerous international norms, whats one more on the growing pile?
>>64420247He's a cuck, as proven by life
>>64419267They probably want to keep extrajudicial killing of nominal ukrainian citizens to a minimum. The EU would not like it. Better to do a Nuremberg 2.0.
>>64420252Eh, I doubt EU gives a fuck as long as it happens outside EU(and EU applicant) borders and ukies are not leaving blatant calling cards while doing it.
>>64419771I can't help but point out that literally every single time Russia collapses everyone claims it's not gonna happen, never gonna happen, couldn't happen... And then it happens and everyone acts like they didn't see the signs.Don't forget where Russia has been shipping Ukranian citizens to replace with Russian ones, it sure would be a shame if those Ukranian civilians found sympathetic locals able to order boxes of goodies from their good pal Budanov.
>>64419955Diesel for locomotives is retarded anon. Electrical drive train is 90% efficient, ICE is 24% efficient.
>>64419579>Belgium nextthis is the one thing Im thankful of wallonia forI might not be socialist, but they keep the ever more prevalent right wing here in flanders in check
>>64420265>everyone claims it's not gonna happen, never gonna happen, couldn't happen... And then faggots from the US run in to save them
>>64420277Every.fucking.time.We need to find a name for this cuckoldry syndrome. A name like the syndrome of Stockholm.
>>64418952surely this cant be real.
>>64420282US should be destroyed together with russia, china and india
>>64420289only after I make my escape to Khazakstan thanks
>>64420265I'm pretty sure those Ukrainians are as good as dead, imprisoned, enslaved, somehow
>>64419288Russia is just so fucking grim, jesus christ
>>64420270>keep the ever more prevalent right wing here in flanders in checkhomo>>64419579>France will definitely switch>Belgium nextyou don't know anything about the actual far right do you?the far right in Europe isn't concerned about the war because it's primary concern is immigration and welfare. they aren't taking pictures with nafo shit because that's not what what people are voting on them for.when Meloni came to power all you retards where sperging out over how this was the end. the EU and Ukraine was done for ect. but she increased support of Ukraine.you also don't follow the parties or national politics of the countries you are commenting on. belgium will turn, nigger there's one far right party in one part of the country, it can't turn over if they somehow got 100% of the vote in Flanders. and if you'd bothered to look at what VB has to say about the war there isn't a single bit of ziggering about it. if you looked at the history of the party you'd also know that it goes all the way back to the Flemish SS. yes, the Flemish SS that fought in Ukraine against the russians alongside Ukrainians.the same goes for RN in France or VOX in Spain.you get ziggers in the far right in Eastern and Central Europe because it was part of the soviet block. but you also get ziggers in the far left and centre there. because it was part of the soviet block
>>64418950God fucking damnit putin's anus must taste real good. Wtf Trump - this guy has 0 literacy for politics, let alone war. fuck, add books on the list too.How the fuck can a turd pendulum be a president?
>>64420138>Ehhh, it's opposite. NXP makes ARM controllers that used in cars and industrial machines. 80% of the them are used by China, not made up in China.>NXP chips are defused in US/EU and packaged in Taiwan/MalaysiaThey are made in China and used in China. They are also made in China and used in Europe. NXP is an outsourcing heavy company, just like all other western tech companies. And the chinks sanctioning NXP means no more outsourcing for NXP. And wow, suddenly they lost 80% of their "production", leading to cascading shortages down the line. The dutch seized a hollow company.
>>64419579European neoliberals could cut Putin's efforts off at the knees by just deporting immigrants, but for some reason they won't. I legitimately don't understand it.
>>64419288how do you live in any seriously cold climate yet not have a cast iron stove and some exhaust duct ready to go at the start of every winter?
>>64420311>homowhatever you say frenit wont stop me being centrist
>>64420277Yeah, we do keep doing that. Sorry.
>>64420324>CD&V cuckwow ik wist niet dat je in het rusthuis op 4chan kon
>>64420317Thank you for taking the time to correct the misunderstanding.
>>64419463I'm still mad at potato man for blueballing Priggy's Wagner brouhaha
>>64420182or like 1-2 years of hybrid warfare and then back to regular warfare
>>64419579>Hungary and Slovakia are full blown traitorsNothing about them is treacherous compared to what the EU is getting away with.
>>64420328>CD&V cuckneger wat?spreek vlaamsik heb eigenlijk altijd al voor kleinere partijen/ onafhankelijken gestemd>weet je hun standpunten?nee, maar zo verspil ik mijn stem niet en doe ik die mensen een plezier>verificatie niet vereist
>Closing in on it's fourth year of warfare>Now Ukraine is bombing non-oil/gas energy infrastructureApart from "muh escalations" and "muh Geneva conventions" that Russians themselves don't care about, what stopped Ukraine from doing this before?
>>64420328>cuckwas ist das in kankerspraak?
>>64420342There's nothing more treacherous than siding with the enemy you nigger retard.
>>64420347Those fucking NAFO-dogs were living rent-free even as far back as '22, kek
>>64420321They are extremely susceptible to social programming. The Achilles heel of Orwell's vision: overly emotional retards. Then you throw recreational drug use into the mix and it's just ..
>>64420347They didn't manufacture the long range exploding planes in sufficient numbers and Russian air defence was working to some degree.Attacks on energy infrastructure is fine as long as it's not nuclear power plants or dams.
>>64420348einen Kuckuck
>>64420347My bet is they lacked proper volume in drones capable of doing this, combined with the status on the frontline. They had to prioritize what they had for defenses.
>>64420347Build enough drones to launch sizable raids regularlyHit enough AD to critically degrade the networkSuppress the refineries hard enough to have drones to spare on other targets
>>64420349>siding with the enemyThe EU ships in enemies by the millions.You see this is a pro-Russia talking point but it's a matter of fact.
>>64420347I hope there won't be any regional hamster extinctions in the eastern oblasts this winter
>>64420312Do you really have to ask? A president is the mirror to the people that put him into power.
>>64420362>The EU ships in enemies by the millions.You mean russia ships in churkas by the millions into Europe. First by their shit in Syria, later by literally bussing them in to the borders of Poland and Finland.
>>64420378No, I mean the EU and you know exactly what i'm talking about you spineless faggot. They exist for how many years and yet they're still not being deported en masse at gunpoint. Standing idly by or in some cases defending the invaders is more deplorable because a traitor is genuinely worse than an enemy.
>>64420389What EU, faggot? It was Merkel pushing that shit into everyone's throat. Merkel, the stasi bitch which sold out Germany to... you've guessed it - russia.
>>64420389>>64420391you can both agree that mass migration is a problemyou can both agree something needs to be done about ithow is it then a pro or anti russian topic?
>>64420391What is the EU ACTIVELY doing to fix the problem? Maintaining policies that cater to them? Inviting more? Preaching suicidal mantras about inclusivity and tolerance? Or simply nothing at all? Everything i've seen leads me to believe they're at best, criminally incompetent or at worst, complicit.
>>64420400EU isn't doing anything, EU is just a bolt-on thing on top of national government. Ask specific government what they are doing. Normal countries like Denmark don't just take it up the ass, as opposed to UK, which does so, despite leaving EU (under the guise of not wanting migrants kek).
>>64420403>EU is just a bolt-on thing>just this silly little negligible bolt-on thingI don't really have any good responses or retorts for this level of delusion. I don't even know where to begin. I understand now that words are a pointless endeavor with you. You deserve everything that's coming, have a good day.
>>64420400The EU isnt responsible for mass migration, the national governments are. The only thing you can blame the EU for is gypsies cause of shengenPlenty of nations are starting to take harder stances on migration as time goes (albeit kind of late)
>>64420423Good luck being retarded
>>64420400The EU is slow as shit, like usual, but we’re not in 2014 anymore.There’s been a clear move towards stricter borders, more deportations, and setting up a legal and technical frameworks to make things easier.Obviously it’s be nice if stuff happened faster but it is what it is.Beyond that the EU does not control the migration policies of individual states. If France wants to drown themselves in niggers, there’s not much the EU can do about it. Currently at least.
>>64420423Which EU country are you from?And if you had to guess, how much of your countries immigration laws are directed by the EU?
>>64418779>Would this have a big impact on their railway system and industrial base, or is everything more westwards, towards the Urals?No, Ukraine is already bombed to stone age with all power stations and distribution blown up and that still didn't stop the war.It'll make no impact whatsoever, only thing that matters is what happens in the actual trenches.
>>64420436>Which EU country are you from?He's either John Burger from Ohio Oblast or one of those Pakistanis who were uncovered recently
>>64420403Mass immigration is characteristic of neoliberal capitalism not of some particular country.
>>64420425>albeit kind of lateUnderstatement of the decade. It's so late that there now needs to be serious talks about mass deporations, not just harder stances on migration. Are any of the union's most significant member openly discussing this?
>>64420441It's literally performed based on national institutions, there's not a single government body giving you an "eu citizenship" to the entire continent, Ivan. You go to a country, they let you in or send you back. The EU doesn't do that.
>>64420267Fuel isn't that huge a proportion of costs for rail, and electric rail infrastructure is rather expensive. If you have long stretches to cover Diesel makes a lot of sense.
>>64420443Some like Sweden and Denmark have been trying it if I recall. Or are at least moving on small steps.
>>64420443>Are any of the union's most significant member openly discussing this?Like 19 european countries already pushing this, yes.
>>64418779>no Tomahawks>orange man demands you give up Donbabwe plus other regions>start bombing zigger oil fields with their own missiles and dronesKek KWABMonke can't catch a break
>>64420441>Mass immigration is characteristic of neoliberal capitalismNot really. Japan was under neoliberal capitalism for 50+ years and there was no mass immigration. My friend had to jump through dozen of hoops to migrate there a few years ago as a highly qualified profession with higher education.
>>64420443Yes? Germany is literally spearheading the EU formalising relations with the Taliban, for the express purpose of deporting afghan refugees. Similar stuff going on with Syrians. In the end, the EU does what the majority of it’s member states want. And right now it sure seems like mass deportations are a question of how and when, not if
>>64420456These shills don't have a single idea what the EU is and how it works. They seem to think it's a system similar to US kek.
>>64420440>Tries to undermine European unity>Little to no understanding of how the EU functions>Won’t answer which country he’s fromReally makes you think innit
>>64420444EU is like franchise that sells their way or working and living.Mass immigration is core part of it and biggest problem here is transparency.They should openly say, with mass immigration natives will work easier jobs, for natives average wage will go this much up, median this much, top 1% will get this much from it, negatives are this and this. No one addresses those things, they just silently push it, one day it's just a thing, no elections, no referendum or anything.
Back to the topic at hand, Russia's always been a big fan of the "big factory/industry that does it all", is there anything like that in the electrical transmission grid? Like some kind of super substation that feeds Moscow and Saint Petersburg or one that powers the whole Trans Siberian Railway?>t. Asking because I'm rarted and don't know much on the subject
>>64420311That or they imagine we're still in 2015 and that Merkel isn't hated by literally everyone but russians at this point.
>>64418950>give up already, I am tired and want to move on and my big fucking friend monke said secret army is behind the urals just waiting>Nowhat now orange man?
>>64419471Peace price have terrible track record, people who really don't deserve it got it or people who really did nothing got it (Obama)
>>64420467The EU is a blob of politics and bureaucracy that follows the will of the majority of it’s constituent countries.Mass immigration (unless you mean schengen) has no relation to the EU as a concept.In fact the EU has already started to swing against mass immigration (as pointed out multiple times ITT) and judging from popular sentiment this will continue for a while.Now which EU country are you from? Because you seem to lack very basic understanding of how the EU actually functions
>>64418779>If they keep this up, what are the possible consequences beyond pulling an Uno Reverse card and freezing the Russians this winter like they've been trying to do to them over the last few years?sadly the chances are slim. People need to understand that russia is literally just three cities: moscow, st petersbourgh and vladivostok.Any hit that doesnt make their life miserable is wasted.
>>64420484
The absolute worst part about russia actually winning in 20 years is just how fucking insufferable zig fags are gonna be. 'We won we won' is all that matters to them, no matter how costly the victory or devastating the W, they're going to gloat, and cheer, and gleefully 'I told you so' amongst the countless bodies and burnt out strategic assets of land they bombed to hell to take, basically making those gains next to worthless. And that's going to be more infuriating to me than anything else.
>>64420486idk I like Kazan and Sochi the most so it seems there are other cities too...
>>64420490Russia isn't going to exist in 20 years anon.
>>64420490You mean like Fins?
>>64420493We can dream brother, we can dream
>>64420468Not really, afaik with electricity that sort of approach just doesn’t make sense.High voltage = lower losses.If you had a huge substation, that would lead to longer low voltage lines to actually get the electricity to people’s houses, ie more loss.More efficient to have more smaller substations closer to places that consume electricity.
>>64420493God please. I am so sick and tired of them. Several hundred years of the vatnik pain please let it be over soon so i can tell my grandchildren one day that there once was a very big bad monster from the east but that it no longer exists.
>>64420484love the style.
>>64420499>i can tell my grandchildrenlol the incels here
>>64420484qrd?
>>64420502pinochuk's cessna rides, special delivery of ordnance to commies
>>64420362I really wonder who intentionally massively bombed Syrian civilians to cause waves of immigration. Or who continuously starts shit in Africa with a certain mercenary group. It's a Russian talking point not because they happen to care about you, it's a Russian talking point because they cause the problem and they know you'll blame everyone but them. Then you niggers vote for any right wing dipshit that's taking bribes from Russia.
>>64420504>pinochuk's cessna rideslol, lmao even
>>64420347>what stopped Ukraine from doing this before?they had better, more important things to do
>>64420505>to cause waves of immigrationAnd then had FSB/GRU guide the retards into Europe. It wasn't just the fighting. It was them actually pointing the stream. Including with the help of their patsies in Serbia, whom acted as a transit point.
>>64419288hilarius how in any real country like fucking france or even poland or some shit, if word of people living in such conditions got out, there'd be fucking news stations all over this just to shit on the goverment or spin a clickbait drama out of thisbut in russia it's just another day
>>64420505>Syrian civilians to cause waves of immigrationThat would be democrats and their runaway project FSA that later turned into ISIS.I still remember all the shilling on r3ddit and interviews with progressive FSA women that where fighting for their "freedom".
>>64420511>later turned into ISISMy brown friend, ISIS was formed mostly by soviet-trained ex-Iraq army faggots.
>tfw there's a good chance of Russia not being in the top ten largest economies next year
>>64420469they are just over obsessed and partisanthey see the far right not being particularly interested in the war and how they where friendly with russia before the war and assume that they must be actively cheering russia on that it allows them to hate "the hecking nazirinos" some more is nice bonus what they ignore is how the far left in Europe has also been friendly with russia and before then the USSR and how they also don't give a shit about the war. and in general oppose rearming due that money not being spend on more gibs.
>>64420490>We won we won' is all that matters to themThey're in a constant state of overexertion, of course that's all that matters to them because if they're so far in the hole that if they lose then all of the suffering will have been for nothing (which will be true regardless of the outcome).
>>64420514They aren't there already if you use either UN or World Bank data
>>64420513Nice rewriting of hisotry, must be one of them so called copebelters.
>>64420511ISIS got it’s foundations in Iraqi prisons/camps between 2003-2009 Camp Bucca being the most significant contributor.And last I checked that fuckup lies squarely with the GOP
>>64420484>>64420500i just thought of something after seeing these>put the bomb inside instead of under>plane crashes and ignites a depot or whatever>the bomb doesn't explode cause it wasn't armed>burning fuel causes the bomb to go off after a delay, spreading fire aroundi guess it's more reliable for the bomb to just explode, i suppose
>>64420514It already wasn't before the war, anon. They just got a boost from the war, but it turns out that burning your wallet at an ukrainian field doesn't yield too much return on investment. Brazil's industry easily smokes Russia's. Imagine that, Brazilians can build and successfully market commercial and military aircraft around the globe, whereas Russia can't.
>>64420522ISIS was basically just ideology that swallowed FSA which was much bigger and better equipped being funded by US/democrats.
>>64420521>copebeltersWe’ve got a live one boys
>>64420525someone post that exports chart comparison of russia and some SA country, can't remember which one. mexico?
>>64420528>boysholy fucking cringe.. you'll never be west anon
>>64420530Only real actual russians ever bring up the “copebelt”.Nobody else cares about them lmao.
>>64420514with some luck russia will just be a mafia state without a gas station
>>64420362Anon, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Hungary imports Chinks, Pajeets and other third-worlders by the thousands to build and run al of their new factories and infrastructure. They get around the whole migrant thing by just giving them Hungarian citizenship before they land, so they leave their home countries as a motley crew of randos, but they all arrive as full-on Hungarians, which means statistically there are no migrants in Hungary, only Hungarians.They've been doing this since 2020, so God alone knows how many migrants are actually living in Hungary at the moment.
>>64420514Surely China will bail them out and not just look the other way in such an event yes?
>>64420536>Only real actual russians ever bring up the “copebelt”.I'm not russian tho and I'm way further from russia than you.It's still copebelt 4me.
>>64420545>I'm way further from russia than you.So you’re just a thirdie then? Seems like a weird thing to brag about
>>64420545What a strange thing to say.Hmmm.... Do you smell... Feces and curry?
>>64420551not really since all the counts close to russia are cold dark depressing shotholes.
>>64419490They've had quite a few over the last few months, normally during or after the meetings with Trump. They're probably all chimped out for another week or two.
>>64420524Inside the aircraft are fuel tanks so that it can fly long distances. That's not a secret.
>>64420474Two more weeks
>>64420521>copebeltersgo die nigger
>>64420494I dont know what "Fins" are but the attempt to make the Reds unlose the Finnish civil war failed spectacularly yes
>>64420569Fins? Copebelters that got free pass from Stalin?
>>64420569the funniest part is that USSR during the war said it wasn't at war with Finland
>>64420579Correct, it was special military operation in Finland.
>>64420578What is a "Fin"? Maybe you meant "Finns" you ESL? It's also more that Stalin got buttmad at the 500k/d ratio the Finns got on him.
>>64420583Polish spellchcker strikes again.
>>64420583if you get such high k/d ratio and still lose territory you didn't even try.guess ukrainians are similar to fins in that way.
>>64420581Nah, they said they are just providing support to a Finnish LDNR+ of sorts, which fought against the regime from Helsinki and such.
>>64419003God was like>I don't fucking thing so you zigger cunts. Warm winter for the entirety of Europe, Ananiel, make it snappy.
>>64419084>This is the face of the person who compromised the entirety of Russia's comms networkI love the modern age.
>>64420599>AnanielBased Angelology.
>>64420317>b-b-but they are made inAnd where are they, and the processes to make them, DESIGNED, anon?Somehow this important part seems to get left out every time people are jerking off to stronk china manufacturing.China, even today, primarily exists to do all the easy manufacturing, and imports a lot of the difficult to make parts from the west, china is where final assembly is done with bugman labour.Oh, and china prioritizing military self-reliance when it comes to producing it’s own war materiel has given the average chinaman a seriously distorted view as to what their civilian R&D scene looks like.
>>64420706nah, around the time first 5g equipment started hinting market it became obvious you're wrong.
>>64420588>one guy stops 500 guys but eventually falls>heh, he didn't even try
>>64420715chinks can't even make a working lathe without imports from US&EU
>>64420297So, what do we even know about the life in the occupied territoriees? I feel like it's North Korea, we don't know much. Yes suffering and all, but did we reach the point of slave labor camp, or do people just werk normaly in what is now ''russian'' companies?
>>64420749shortages (liek the good ol soviet times), lack of water (at least the ussr figured out how to water), lack of oversight, run like a fiefdom, some parts have problems with certain internet services due to geographical shit
>>64420137Everyone knows everything, but they won't UNDERSTAND everything until the Plywood Marshal clicks his heels for an easy life, motherfucker
>>64420763the laotians tell the truth but bunker uncle keeps counting eggs for every 200. the cambodians however are in the cum pit while our boys are getting assfucked by the cock, waiting in line while we watch, cock in hand. this dastardly cuckoldry not unlike that of the fall of the holy ussr will forever be a fucking and a beating by the old timers. the ass is sore but the eggs keeps being counted.
>>64420784They warmed the snake.
>>64420474What a chad answer. Zelensky is quite a good leader, really. History is being written before our very eyes, and now it's up to you to decide whether you'll be on the right side of History or not. US chose to be on the wrong side.
>>64420736Keep being 20 years behind the times grandpa
>>64420347We forced them to wage a war with their hands tied to their back, on top of making them run legcuffed. Unironically.
>>64420816this is unironically why western countries should suffer
>>64420347>ynr that Russian guy livestreaming his gas cooker going nonstop to "own" the europoorskek
>>64420849maybe i should livestream my furnace 24/7 to own the ziggersor my induction stoveor i dunno, my cat to prove i don't have to eat it
>>64419496Smart. The US government was infiltrated already when McCarthy was fighting against them.
>>64420323Because that relies on people having individual initiative, which communism, and serfdom before it, was pretty effective at stamping out. It's an entire population with terminal learned helplessness going back generations.
>>64420706Nice attempt at tryingto shift the goalposts. Doesn't make the company any less unproductive and worthless after its seizure, tho.>has given the average chinaman a seriously distorted view as to what their civilian R&D scene looks likeYou mean the one that's been more productive than any other in the world for years now?
>>64421110That's why Trump should give ukies couple of nukes to wipe away shitstain of moscow from this world.
>>64421104how will destroyed russian power substations lead to that specifically?
>>64420484it bugs me that nobody pulled the weeds growing through the tarmac
>>64421120nta he probably is referring to Russian AD being less spread out as more targets are destroyed. a cope.
>>64421179why does ukraine need to bring himars near the border to drone/flamingo substations around moscow?
>>64421196are we talking about the same ukraine, where homebrew drones have repeatedly taken out refineries for months?
>>64421179This anon is still living in 2023 lmaoNo, the Ukrainians aren't using HIMARS for their deep strikes into Russia you fucking retard
>>64421196I remember you.Are the Shashneeds in the room with you right now, Ranjesh?
>>64419089>this app is mandatory for every single zigger in the federation>they send out the draft notices through it>sort data by men that got mobilization papers in recent month>upload their x and y coordinates on a map>you've just got locations of their newly formed unitsIt's just bullshit I got from the top of my head. This app is insane, it was developed to curb the sabotage in pussia, there are patrols on streets that check if you have it on your phone, mandatory installations for students in schools.https://x.com/AryoSomeGumul/status/1979097276673860018Chink levels of invigilation.
>>64421212>a single video of a firedon't forget the videos from bystanders days later, firm data, etc. but I see you concede the drone point>>64421179> you can find the videos easily by searching HIMARS and “Russia” “Russian” etc on twitter.post them here, that way I won't accidentally watch the wrong videos.
>>64421211I'm willing to bet it wasn't "hacked" per se, but that it was back-doored from the fucking start. I wouldn't doubt there were Ukrainians or Ukrainian collaboraters on the team designing the app in the first place
>>64421221They aren't using HIMARS for deep strikes because they don't have the range you mouth breathing troglodyte.The longest range strike into Russian territory was 3000 km away from Ukraine, which is 6 times further than the maximum range for HIMARS.
>>64421221>gayden rexitting pozzian copeaganda.So it wasn't destroyed, got it.
>>64421221Also>Another blurry video of (something) in the forest line>Cut to wide angle shot of presumably the same forest line>Random patch of forest explodes>No target identification>No footage of target being hit>No aftermath footageThe amount of times you have used this exact formula to claim you destroyed HIMARS is about twenty times the actual amount of HIMARS launchers on the entire fucking planet lmaoIIRC the number was 2; two entire HIMARS systems being confirmed destroyed in the entire war
>>64421251Shut the fuck up
>>64421221Say, do we have confirmation that this was an HIMARS, this time ?
>>64421251>heavier damage than drones are capable of to stuff within HIMARS range >Ukraine’s drones are small and cannot do significant lasting damageoh shit you haven't seen the foxbat drones yet? anon you are in for a real treat, it's gonna blow your fucking mind how russian AA seems totally unable to hit them
>>64421259Less blurry image
>>64421251Also also, HIMARS' longest range munition carries a whopping 200kg of explosives, one fifth of Ukraine's longest range dronw, with one sixth of it's purported range.You really couldn't be any more wrong about this lmao
>>64421251>but Ukraine’s drones are smallSure, Cessna clones aren't exactly 747 but they aren't exactly small and neither is their potential payload.Of course, this is just the more DIY exemple of Ukraine's catalogue of TZD marvels.
>>64419120>vibes of Osgiliath
>>64421223It was probably outsourced to china, and ukies just bought the backdoor from one of devs.
>>64421295how many videos would you like posted of the cessna drones hitting refineries and other military targets?
>my handlers tell me to come to spam cope to show you how little we care about these refinery attacks!>also refineries are fine. grass fires were extinguished and they resumed normal operations>hohol drones do no damage!>also hohols are losing and we're about to bomb them into ice age...third time's the charm!
>>64421284Imagine being this wrong about everything.Embarassing.https://energyandcleanair.org/september-2025-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/
>>64421293it's being sold on whatever the current breachforum incarnation is. not the ukies, some regular hackers hunting around for open databases and known vulnerabilities>russian gov hates that telegram is secure and opaque to them>creates new government app>forces install on every new phone>forces its use for some government services>intentionally degrades telegram performance>russian government coded app surprisingly has obvious glaring vulnerabilityI'd love to know what it was. the russians wont tell us, the hacker probably wont tell us, but as soon as this announced a bunch of security researchers would have started slamming it so maybe we'll get lucky
>>64421263>The whole southern half of PorkroastThe raion, the front or the city ?Because there's a big difference.Also, I don't think you realise that, to encircle the target, you're supposed to go around it.Taking "the southern half" wouldn't help in creating a pocket when you come from the south.
>>644213414% monthly revenue loss is catastrophic my guy. Considering oil exports make up like 25% of their revenue that's an entire percent of their GDP gone.In one month.
>>64421341>>64421308Someone post the export levels of oil for September 2020 to 2025.Then the import level of gazoline for the same period.This way we can judge which of these two is right.
>>64421363Spoiler alert; Russia is importing more fossil fuels and exporting less than at the start of the war.
>>64421374>Everything south of the railroad that bi-sects the city in the middle has either already been taken by Russia or Russian troops are consolidating control right now.So you are talking about just the southern half if the city.The 30km2 city.Are you really bragging about ruskies advancing less than 3km in 9 months ?
>>64421386>Ukraine doesn't have long range attack drones>Ukraine's long range attack drones don't have large payloads>Ukraine's long range attack drones can't penetrate Russian air defence>Ukrainian long range attack drones that penetrate Russian air defense are just really small>When Ukrainian long range attack drones strike Russian refineries the damage is repaired within one week>Ukrainian strikes on Russian refineries only destroy small parts of them, but they still keep operating>Russian oil export revenue aIs the highest since the start of the war>Russian oil export revenue is only down 4% in september, 26% down year over year>But Russia is making small gains in a town it's been fighting in for 2 years nowYou are here.
>>64421417>>64421405Oooh missed one>Russia's oil export revenue isn't collapsing>Russia can afford oil export revenue collapsingLike pottery
>>64421428And now>Russia is only NOW actually trying to take Pokrovsk>They're taking territory slowly on purposeThe cope just never fucking ends with you people
>>64421386>kalibrated mapsMight as well say "source: my ass", pidor.
>>64421439>26% reduction in oil revenue year over year is fine, блядь>This is of normal happenings>Price always fluctuates!
>>64421457I'm not much of a history buff, how did that war go for the germans?
>>64421457Remind me who won the battle of Verdun, and WW1, again?
>>64421457I don't think comparing Pokrovsk to thw battle of Verdun is the flex you think it is lmao
>>64421514>I merely cited verdun to show this has historic precedent for both losing battles and warsyou can cite a lot of things that were bad ideas and lost wars, but I'm still not sure why you did
>>64419579Germany isn't gonna switch! You have to understand that before the war they really bought into and were all in on Russia's peaceful neighbor and economic cooperation from Lissabon to Vladivostok narrative. Ukraine aside, no nation has been backstabbed by Russia as much as Germany.Before the invasion, no one could realistically see a German rearmament effort of any seriousness. Now Germany wants to become the strongest conventional army on the continent and it has the money and the industrial capacity to do so.You may have mercy on Putin for believing he could undermine Germany by drawing it in with cheap energy for several decades and believing he could force Germany on his side in this war. He cannot fathom what he awakened, he cannot fathom Furor Teutonicus.
>>64421514>Look at this opinion article I googled just now!!!!>Ignore the actual analysis you yourself have done!!!>IT'S KYIVOVER!!!!!!I'm not sure why you think this is a good strategy.
>>64420487
>>64421564It's really hard to argue in good faith when you keep calling it Porkroast, zigger.
>>64421564>No signs that the siege of Pokrovsk hasn't been going great>Literally two fucking years into itJesus Fucking Christ
>>64421564>porkroast is about to fall (two more weeks)>defending it was pointless, because glorious pozzian bears have captured copeyansk and vovchansk (neither has happened)>and now they're about to encircle gulaypole (haven't even come close to it)
>>64420529Igotchufamalam
>>64420554>counts>shotholes
>>64421598africa with snow
>>64420593It's been their formula since the Russian Civil War. Most of the SSRs began with a totally legitimate local group inviting in the Red Army of its own free will.
>>64421573Let's do a quick recap of this thread, shall we?I have >Addressed almost every single one of your talking points>Provided reliable analysis on Russian oil exportsYou have>Attempted to steer the discussion away from Russian oil exports>Posted one (1) singular twitter link to a completely unverifiable "HIMARS" kill>Diverted the conversation AGAIN onto Pokrovsk>Compared Pokrovsk favorably to the battle of Verdun (lol, lmao even)>And now accusing everyone of acting in bad faith
>>64421631Lay off that copium, pidor. You've already let everyone know that you're a pozzian shill.
>>64421631It's gonna be funny as fuck when you come back in three months and literally not a single thing you said will happen will have happened.
Uh-huh, sure.
>>64421439>How do you think Russia survived previously when the oil price previously dropped for periods?That's the thing lmao, they went babkrupt. Starting from the Soviet Union.
>>64421691What will you eat if it doesn't happen and will you stream it?
>>64421557Okay cool, waking up of your Merkel retardation is good. Now prove you did wake up and send the Taurus, Hans.
>>64421179Well, I'm certainly convinced
>>64421405>Russia has very little debt so they can afford to go into a deficit until the war is overWho's going to lend them money? They're not exactly a safe bet atm.
>>64421760Me. I will lend them 10 dollars for five of their finest women.Scratch that, make that seven women.
>>64421665>Maidan regime>mad dog with rabies>taking it upon itself to do this>the first settling of North AmericaYep, this is certainly how we talk, my fellow American.
>maidan regime
>>64421284Come on, you can troll better.At least TRY to earn your rubles.
>>64421788This poster am not an American. I, John Hamburger of West Dakota oblast, and all of my American friends are of talk like post you are reply to.
>>64421428>after the AFU is destroyed the Russians will be able to add whatever regions of Ukraine to Russia that they wantKlar, mit dem Angriff Steinerows wird das alles in Ordnung kommen.
>>64421514Protip, vatnik. France had a significant part of their territory under German occupation in 1918. In contrast, France, the US and Britain did not occupy a single square meter of German land besides the colonies. And, who won?
>>64420378>You mean russia ships in churkas by the millions into Europe.No they dont. 99.9999% come in trough the south, financed by globalist billionarie NGOs. F.ex a couple of years ago a fishing vessel sunk outside greece and 500 darkies drowned. Most of these were pajeets.
>>64420454>Not really. Japan was under neoliberal capitalism for 50+ years and there was no mass immigration.They were left behind as they were on the fringe. Now they are being opening up for mass immigration.
>>64420706>And where are they, and the processes to make them, DESIGNED, anon?In China. In case you do not know, China can make 28 nm chips on indigenous tech now. And their 28nm lithography machines cost a fraction of a dutch one.
>>64419713>https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/10/19/frontline-report-russias-empire-starts-to-crack-as-separatist-fires-quietly-begin-flickering-from-siberia-to-the-caucasus/
>>64418862Having spoken to someone working at a transformer manufacturer, it's possible to wind slightly less efficient transformers for much less effort but you need double the cooling et cetera. Not everybody's first choice but a reasonable stopgap measure when you're out of transformers.
>>64420277>>64420282Please understand, the US really needs a competent seeming, (note- competent SEEMING), legitimately evil enemy to keep us from letting the military get complacent and lazy. Russia has basically been the perfect real life example of a hilariously evil empire, and if they were to cease to exist, or god forbid, actually reform into a real nation and not a backwards mongol rape baby medieval serfdom, we wouldn't have an existential threat* to keep America from just becoming the bloated blob that thirdies desperately wish that we were.*No, Russia is not a threat. But they can pretend to be one in media even now, see Battlefield 6 lmaoFortunately, we have a much better playmate now with China- incompetent, evil, and most importantly, not yet shown to be a complete embarrassment so we can have an enemy to focus on that may actually put up a decent scrap and is more than happy to get time in the limelight showing off how implessive and cool they are, so there's no reason to keep our old busted plaything from collapsing on itself this time.
>>64420347Because despite the fact Russia is incompetent enough to let them through, cessnas loaded with explosives are not cruise missiles.Guess what Ukraine developed the ability to manufacture themselves quickly and cheaply this year?
>>64420252EU generally couldn't give two shits when you focus on just killing your own people until it reaches a genocide. at which point they will have a meeting to decide if they will fill out a form to determine if they will have a conference to create a powerpoint for future deliberations on if they are bothered.
>>64420484ngl, hard album cover material
>>64419006>Each step gets you more refined product, but with constantly diminishing results. It just takes more crude oil to make petrol than dieselNo, not really. This is distillation, it just splits the input (crude oil) into its component fractions. So it depends on how heavy your oil is. If you have a light oil you can get gasoline output as the majority component.You need catalytic cracking if you want to alter the mass fractions.
>>64421405>indefinitely for years
>>64419403>Neither has ever voiced a thought that they did not hear Trump say first.My personal theory is that Vance is more of a neocon than a zigger but plays one to make sure Trump stays happy with him and he remains the presumptive heir to MAGA for when Trump is gone (however that happens).Once he inherits MAGA and the GOP, he can have his own opinions, which is probably whatever Peter Thiel tells him to say.Remember, Thiel sponsored Vance's start in presidential politics, stage managed his book and his presidential run and negotiated the VP position. Back then, Vance fucking hated Trump but once he was VP, he changed his tune and sucked up to the cheeto and has never once spoken back to him or failed to give his full-throated support, even that thing in the whitehouse with Zelensky was Vance showing his absolute loyalty.Trump is mentally ill and that makes him exploitable and Vance knows how to do it, coached by experts probably.It's a long game but it's probably going to pay off for him. Then, see what happens when Thiel is hand picking the next cabinet.
>>64421665>I come from elite Anglo stock with ancestry going back the first settling of North America before the American revolution.
>>64419495>They don't have the capability anymoreI wish, they put together a big wave once or twice a week.I think Russian missile production isn't easy to hit, too far and too distributed. They chip away at it but it's small gains in the scheme of things.Drones are an even worse story because those are pretty easy to build and I suspect will eventually be built in North Korea anyway.
>>64420168>What gets me the most is that it seems that NOBODY pointed out to TrumpPeople like Trump don't accept that rules apply to them, they expect that everybody will throw rules, precedent and common decency out the window to do what is desired at that moment.And they lose their shit if you don't, it's a personal attack to tell them no, rules are just the excuse you're using.After all, they don't follow any rules so if you are, it's just an excuse to refuse to do what they want.
>>64420214>>while NATO keeps cutting off the russian pieces from the global board>are they?Yes.>Iran is neutered.>Gaza is stabilised, for want of a better word and Hamas is whatever the nine tenths version of decimated is.>Hezbollah can't answer their phone because it might be a bomb and they don't have fingers anyway.>Azerbaijan hates them.>Moldova kicked the Russian quislings to the curb.>Romania more or less the same.>Even Fico is being a little reasonable right now.>Syria changed hands but admittedly Russia might be clawing back some influence there.>Russia's African adventures are all playing out hilariously to the sounds of linkrelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACZA9dGvV4&list=RDvACZA9dGvV4They haven't lost everything yet, they still have Georgia, the Norks, Orban and Luka but Luka might be trying to cozy up to the west so he can retire to Dubai or Monaco or something. He won't survive long after Putin is gone, he depends on the FSB and Russian Army to stay in power and the writing is on the wall for those.
>>64420286>surely this cant be real.It might not be.Some big name Ukie analyst is saying it looks fake to them because they compared it with data they had and it didn't seem to make sense.
>>64420454>My friend had to jump through dozen of hoops to migrate there a few years agoThe bad actors always specialise in jumping through those hoops, ever walked through Roppongi?
>>64420539>They've been doing this since 2020, so God alone knows how many migrants are actually living in Hungary at the momentIt was always a student city so there are many tens or hundreds of thousands of immigrants there anyway.I know there's a million good curry houses in Budapest if that's any indication, the Chinese food sucks though.
>>64419315How are Americans ok with their president sucking the dick of an autocrat that has threatened to destroy them?
>>64420494>russia calling someone else a drug clownlmao
>>64420849>that vidContext?
>>64420505You gotta be fucking kidding. The USA turned half the middle east into craters and you are saying the Russians did that?
>>64423438?
>>64423615He's just pretending the US is the root of all evil in the middle east and that the Russians didn't spend years making the Syrian civil war worse.
dang 446 post threadpower must be out in keev again
