>FAB-500T bombs on Su-34 jet fitted with new UMPK glide kits (extended tail, larger wings and rocket booster) claiming a range >100 km.So what separates a bomb from a missile missile now? Warhead size? The type of guidance system?
>>64425894A bomb is something that explodes. A missile is a projectile that could be guided to its target.
>>64425894You can only really call this one thing. Smellykaka
modern k is too retarded to have discussions• baitty op• question related to weapon classification (autism) that has been repeatedly asked• amerianimals too brute to behave like humansSisyphean moment.
>>64425905this.it's pretty much a proof that Russia is bankrupt and can't even commit to iterating over a proper missile design, which would slap the shit out of this thing meant to be gravity dropped, so they'll keep on gluing shit to bombs they already have.
>>64425904>A bomb is something that explodes. A missile is a projectile that could be guided to its target.So Paveways are missiles then?
The accuracy of the 50-70km glide kits was already shit. How the fuck is this crap going to do lmao
>>64425894well it started its life as a bomb with a glide kit strapped onto it... and now they just extended the range with a rocket... so while technically being a rocket powered projectile with a guidance system makes it a missile the fact that it very clearly started as a glide bomb makes it continue to be a glide bomb
>>64425894>they called me a madman
>>64425894Missiles were designed to be guided from the start. Bombs/rockets started as dumb but can be upgraded.
>>64425894It it has a propulsion system, it's a missile. If it doesn't have a propulsion system, it's not a missile.There. Simple as.
>>64425955It has been used as such for an A2A kill in either Iraq 1 or 2.
>>64426018What if it is attached to a separate propulsion system, and discards it as soon as it reaches inertial velocity?
>>64426071then it's a glide vehicle with a booster
>>64425936OPs are usually meant to maximize reply counts and therefore dopamine as opposed to answering a question or facilitating useful discussion
Ew, it suddenly stinks like pozzian brooming closet in here!
>>64426294Don't you live in Sweden?Why aren't you living in Russia seeing as you love it so much you're willing to burn through dozens of proxies to spam Cheese every time an oil refinery blows up.
>>64426338>Don't you live in Sweden?oh, that explains the BBC porn obsession
>Claiming
>>64426294>>64426378Figures that a serbian interracial cuck fetishist would also be a leftist.
>>64426018If it has a propulsion system it's a rocket. If it has a propulsion system and a guidance system it's a missile.
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>>64426754Ok add to either case "is aerodynamically stabilized"
>>64426779So adding a PGK fuze will turn that shell into a missile? is picrel a missile?
>>64426798i don't see any propulsion mechanism
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>>64425894Guy with boobjob and girl clothes is still a guy. Hope this tranny analogy helps you understand your problem.
>>64426754That's a base bleed unit. It's a gas generator to extend the aerodynamic shape of the projectile and decrease drag. It adds no usable thrust.>inb4 but muh retarded picture says it's a propellant grain!Your picture is as ignorant as you are. Shut up. >>64426881Again, that's a base bleed unit and not a rocket motor. There are rocket assisted rounds like the M549, but they have at least a third of the projectile given over to the motor unit and have limited payloads.
>>64425894When things start crossing over, it becomes pretty arbitrary. Generally, the thing is classified as whatever it was before since the added capability is typically only supplemental. But, they can definitely change it. Picrel is the ASM-N-7 missile (later the AGM-12 Bullpup), it's an old frag bomb that they bolted a rocket motor and remote control system too and called a guided missile.Nomenclature, as always, is arbitrary and breaks down at it's limits.
>>64426948>but they have at least a third of the projectile given over to the motor unit and have limited payloads.But there's no general cutoff criteria... specially if the shell is fast instead of the what germans did during WWII. Rocket motors and base tracers are gas generators too, if you move something through air then all that happens at the same time. And there's no cuttoff criteria for what is just a BB or RAP for something moving fast through dense air a slower burn rate actually improves the final kinetic of the projectile, and in case of tracers the addition of something to enhance its visibility. Sometimes the indirect effect overweights the primary effect like a Mach 3 - 2 supersonic cruise engine maintains a correct pressure state and adds enough heat inside the nacelle even if by its own it barely contributes to the total thrust (ie SR-71, Concorde).When is something BB or a sustainer motor? when it starts to be a RAP if the burn time still needs to be long to not lose too much speed. It's more a label for its function. This is like saying a tractor isn't a truck or vice versa.A rocket boosted bomb is a bomb because the design was created to fill that role, and it probably (but not always) will work best as that and it's worse than even the worst missile, probably cheaper even.A missile with terrible kinetic or oversized warhead can be labelled as a "mine thrower". etc.
>>64425961Accuracy doesn't matter when the main use cases for these will be terror bombing.
>>64427041>Accuracy doesn't matter when the main use cases for these will be terror bombing.fair point
In China micro-turbojets can be acquired for very cheap and, this year, a model with a thrust of 160 kgf was 3D printed.Micro-turbojets will make stand-off munitions mundane in 5 years, and this will catch most militaries unprepared. A similar thing has happened already with multiple categories of UAVs.
>>64425894>So what separates a frigate from a destroyer now?Archaic terms are archaic anon, what do you want from us?
>>64427059Unironically the US was more serious about discussion the "democratization" of more capable munitions 30 years ago than in current year where there's more noise and shitposting than a discussion...>there's an ADA article but I don't remember the number, it essentially describes most things happening in current year by extrapolating tech progress from its time, the mid to late 1990s
>>64427032A base bleed just generates gas, it doesn't generate thrust, dipshit. This isn't some gray area, look at the hole on the bottom of your pic in >>64426754. It's a gaping hole with no shape to it. A rocket motor is going to generate shit loads of thrust and will have a rocket nozzle on it like the M549 in >>64426948. That's the cutoff. A base bleed and rocket assist motor are two entirely different things with entirely different mechanisms of function. One is a rocket motor and one isn't. Trying to conflate them is like trying to conflate a garden hose with a hydroelectric generator because they both involve moving water. This isn't hard, you ESL ape.
>>64427142>it doesn't generate thrust>expelling gases at considerable rate doesn't generates thrustIt generates thrust but the secondary effect of reducing back-pressure is greater. And BB is more relevant than RAP if the shell is fast.>Trying to conflate them is like trying to conflate a garden hose with a hydroelectric generator because they both involve moving water. Water meters use the water as power source to move gears or generate a signal... It's more about if you achieve the desired result than the scale... metering water is important.
>>64427214>secondary effectGenerating gas to reduce drag is the primary effect and, since thrust made is so small as to be inconsequential, essentially the only effect. Base bleed units don't confine or accelerate gas trough a venturi, so they don't generate thrust. You're wrong, you didn't even know what the concept of a base bleed unit was until I told you, and you're stupid.>more relevant if the shell is fastWhat? Both of them are being shot out a gun barrel with the same powder charges available, retard. Base bleed has a greater effect the longer the flight time is, not with a higher airspeed. Also, rocket assisted rounds are going to be faster since they have a literal rocket pushing them. If you don't know anything, just shut the fuck up. Continuing to babble on with your mangled ESL speak is a worthless addition to the conversation.
>>64427385The 'thrust' is by pressure difference compared to no base bleed, the state induced by adding gases at the base. State that is better than accelerating and expelling the gases at higher speed but losing that effect, at least at that scale. >not with a higher airspeedThe magnitude of drag depends on airspeed and air density, you should know it. Not increasing the velocity alleviates the problem too.> Also, rocket assisted rounds are going to be faster since they have a literal rocket pushing them. The actual warhead is smaller, replacing part of the warhead with more propellant that is burnt at higher altitude is better, if the projectile can use that trajectory, that isn't the case for field guns or sea skimming missiles...
>>644259052pbp
>>64425936>.>.>.green text is just too hard for chatgpt bots I guess
Ukraine is Buying Gripen Es, and Russia is doing this?
>>64425904Unguided projectiles are missiles tooeg darts, sling bullets, regular bullets. If a chimp throws his poo at you, each turdlet counts as a distinct missile
>>64427637Technically it's the kinetic energy difference, not the pressure. Aside from that nitpick, you are right and the other guy is wrong and more over-emotional than a Korean
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>>64431427Yep they even tell when you drive you are driving a 2 ton missile around.
The USA is making VTOL jet drones and Russia finally discovered the JDAM. Truly a world power.
>>64425894Close enough. Welcome back, AGM-130.
>>64426747A rocket also has a guidance system, you know. A rocket is a missile without an explosive head in favor of cargo. There, simple as.
>>64435259It's closer to an AGM-123
