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>>64426856
They're for rich boomers who go on guided safaris, it doesn't matter if you miss because your guide will shoot the animal with a better gun anyways

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>>64426856
>guns exist that are famous for being handcrafted to the highest standards, a time consuming practice that takes great skill and experience
>that's the whole selling point
>"Yo, are these niggas retarded??? why are they doing this by hand instead of using modern computerized machines???" - OP the faggot

>>64426897
The guides can't afford "better" in terms of craftsmanship, they're using off the shelf big game hunting guns. Modern manufacturing is just so good that the engravings and bespoke wood are what people pay for with these fancy safari guns, because it says "Safari" way more than a nylon fiberglass stock on a 700 dollar receiver and barrel chambered in something boring like 30-06 or .45-70.

they make the barrels this way, because its the traditional way. How would you like your cnc machined gun with cnc and laser engraving, electropolished, stamped internals and shipped without a craftsman laying a single finger on it ?

It's 100% faggotry, just like some handmade swiss watches. They are worse than a good factory made piece at over 10x the cost, but are bought for the perceived value of craftsmanship.
If you're into it then go nuts, but don't delude yourself into thinking that they are actually better as firearms.

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>>64426856
>There's no reason why you shouldn't CNC machine the barrels from a single piece of steel
Yeah there is. Accuracy. It's really hard to drill long holes like that without them wandering slightly. When the barrels are made from two pieces it allows for "regulating" the gun--adjusting the angle between the two barrels to make them shoot to the same point of impact. If you watch videos of their processes you can see they DO use CNC, just not for every operation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUXoNUzAyvk

>They surely are quality guns, but the price is hyperinflated.
Absolutely true. The question is, how would you even define an answer to this question? you want a percentage? Like what % of that $100k goes to function, what goes to brand name wankery? I'm not sure anyone could answer that since the wankery is subjective. The price also varies. If you shop for guns like that you will find some examples that are quite plain, often called "field grade", while others are clearly more of an art piece with super elaborate engraving, lots of gold or gemstone inlay, etc. It really depends on what the customer orders.

But that said, the quality of those guns is absolutely insane. I own an 8-bore double rifle made by H&H in 1885. When I took chamber casts in order to get dimensions for having brass made I was shocked to find that the dimensions were dead exact, down to 0.0005" (5 ten-thousandths of an inch). Also the quality of the triggers is nuts, the only thing I've shot that was better was an Olympic .22 target pistol. It's amazing to think that was all done by hand back in the day.

Also note in the video linked above how much effort they spend on fucking around with the interior of the barrel profile on that shotgun to get the guns to pattern perfectly at distance.

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>>64426944
>They are worse than a good factory made piece
You've never touched one.
You're 100% right about the price being far, far, into the realm of diminishing returns. But no, the guns aren't shit, they're actually really impressive.
The H&H story is actually quite interesting if you bother to read about the history. Most high end English gunmakers could trace their lineage back to Manton in one way or another, with the heads of those companies having been Manton's apprentices, or trained by them. Then H&H comes along with no connection to the old school. A lot of people looked down on them because they didn't have the tradition that other makers had. In 1883 there was a big rifle competition organized by the editors of "The Field" magazine. This was the biggest sporting newspaper of its day and people wrote in to discuss everything about guns. H&H won *every category* in the competition, from tiny garden rook rifles up through elephant guns, ten classes in all.
So they certainly were overpriced bling for stuffy rich fucks, but they were at least really good bling.

>>64426856
The fact that it's a handmade piece of art is why they're so valued, "performance" be damned. Using suboptimal, antiquated manufacturing methods is not a flaw, it's a feature. Much like a Patek Philippe is utterly mogged by a $50 G-Shock in terms of accuracy, durability and practicality, but is nonetheless quite literally up to 10,000x the price
And yes, owning one is a statement, that you're both cultured and so fucking loaded that you literally don't have anything better to spend it on

>>64426856
It's art, which already doesn't have a price, that you can shoot. Honestly, their lower lines are almost even afordable.

>>64427358
>Much like a Patek Philippe is utterly mogged by a $50 G-Shock in terms of accuracy, durability and practicality, but is nonetheless quite literally up to 10,000x the price

One is a quartz/digital watch. The other is a mechanical watch. A Patek Philippe is actually a marvel of engineering inside with tolerances in the order of 2 micron (1/13,000th of an inch).

>>64427004
Thanks for the insight! I do disagree on the barrel thing though.

>It's really hard to drill long holes like that without them wandering slightly. When the barrels are made from two pieces it allows for "regulating" the gun--adjusting the angle between the two barrels to make them shoot to the same point of impact.

This is actually a very old technique. It's been used to make cannon/howitzer barrels for decades from a single steel cylinder even up to tens of feet in length.

>>64427420
>disagree on the barrel thing though.
That's because you have zero machining experience.

>It's been used to make cannon/howitzer barrels for decades from a single steel cylinder
Sure. That's a single barrel. The problem comes when you want to make two of those long holes that converge at the perfect angle. They do use modern gun drills to bore out the blanks, it's not like they are using skelp or twist barrels like they did in the old days. The barrel blanks are forged, and bored just like you describe for cannon barrels. The only difference is that instead of trying to drill two perfectly holes in one blank with perfect angular alignment they make two blanks and then adjust them to have the correct alignment. They're not stupid, if this could have been done in one stage they would have done so.

>>64427470
It absolutely can be done in one stage. There's literally no limit to mechanical engineering designs. We built stuff that defied the laws of physics, so I honestly doubt the fact that they can't do it. It's most likely the gun industry that is 100% static.

>>64427535
jesus christ do you even own guns? hunt? comp?
>We built stuff that defied the laws of physics
no you didn't this isn't a videogame

>>64427583
>no you didn't this isn't a videogame

Aerospace Engineering. Thanks.

>>64427535
>It absolutely can be done in one stage.
the question is not *can* it be done, it's can it be done more efficiently that way?

>>64427821
he's also forgetting the hollow channel between the barrel bores. If that were solid the gun would point like shit.

>>64427829
It literally gets sealed.

>>64427400
No, they arent.
A CPU in the 10nm range is a marvel of engineering.

>>64427806
>Aerospace Engineering. Thanks.
And what in aerospace engineering defies the laws of physics retard

>>64428504
It's a figure of speech dude

>>64427400
I'm not shitting on mechanical watches, I'm a watchfag myself. I'm pointing out that function is not necessarily related to value
One is a piece of modern technology, mass produced through advanced manufacturing processes.
The other is, by all objective standards, antiquated and obsolete - fragile and inaccurate by comparison, made by processes dating back literal centuries
But it's these "flaws" that give it the value - because a vibrating piece of quartz will never have the "soul" of the intricate clockwork mechanism driving the latter, just like a mass-produced semi-auto will never be as "soulful" as a hand-crafted double rifle

>>64426856
They exist for one reason and one reason only : so their owners can state without saying it "I have fuck you money."

>>64427043
Heh tiddies.

>>64426856
>There's no reason why you shouldn't CNC machine the barrels from a single piece of ste
There is. You have to align them to shoot in the same spot. More mass-made shotguns like Baikal are made the same way.
>Can't imagine the accuracy...
That's why they're SHOTguns, not rifles. They're not meant to shoot past 70 m with a slug or past 50 m with shot, and I'm stretching the maximum effective range.
>Also, the production volume is really tiny
They're "exclusive" guns, so they're basically practical and dangerous kind of jewelry.
> what's the truth behind these guns
Many british gunmakers purchase parts from Spain. And many of the smart posh hunters also buy from Spain, because they get the same package for lower price.
>here does the retardedness/insufferable faggotry end
At the moment the slug hits you.
>They surely are quality guns, but the price is hyperinflated.
Because they're not consumer guns. They're meant for "elitarian consumption". Kinda like cigars, you can buy Davidoff and any other brand of cigar grown and made on the same farm, but Davidoff would be more expensive just because of the brand and other bells and whistles.

>>64431122
>not rifles
They are, in fact, rifles

>>64431141
Oh, silly me. There are shoguns AND rifles, that's right. Anyway, the heat during the rifle block making is nowhere as severe as it may seem to be.

Anyway, if any one of you guys want an affordable double rifle - choose Merkel, Heym or Sabatti. If you want something posh, but not as expensive as H&H, go for Spainish brands - AyA, Grulla. Or look for used guns.

>>64426856
In the 1800s they were far above the alternatives. Throughout the pre-CNC machine age of 1940-1980) hand-fitted stuff was still noticeably better. But by the 2000s it was all over and by the 2010s the last bit of over you didn't realize was left was over. Today you'll be more accurate with a random Tikka.

>>64427470
you only have to drill a pilot hole you can do the rest with wire edm. it would cost more than standard monobloc construction, but it would probably be cheaper than chopper lump construction and paying some 100 year old guy to do the regulation.

>>64427944
only the ends are sealed the inside is hollow.

>>64427043
>they were amazing in 1883!!!!
that was almost 150 years ago, times have changed unc

>>64429546
>"I have fuck you money."
Not really. They're works of art that tie a family to an experience, in this case an African safari. It's weird to think about but it's the same as you and your parents looking at a T-ball trophy you got when you were a kid. To them it's about remembering that trip or experience.

>>64426856
Theyre handmade on purpose because that's what you're paying for. Sort of how tailored clothing is expensive in the west but drastically "inferior" to a garment maker in SEA making hundreds of the dame piece.

No One cares though which is why the double from Blaser get passed up by people all the time for worse mystery meat guns from 100 years ago. It's about the experience to many.

>>64429574
If I ever get fuck you money from a powerball I'm going to have a double engraved with Victorian era pornstars all over it. Caliber will be 500 S&W.

>>64431614
>but it would probably be cheaper than chopper lump construction
I doubt that. That's one hell of a serious EDM cut. Possible? Absolutely. But far from practical.

>>64431675
>They're works of art that tie a family to an experience, in this case an African safari.
You mean something that could be done with a photograph, that anyone could take, basically for free.
It's about "fuck you money." Always has been, always will be. It isn't about function. It isn't about art. It isn't about preserving memories. All of those things can be had for a minor fraction of the cost of what one of those guns goes for. They exist so self absorbed rich assholes whose entire personality comes down to screaming "I'm rich!" in every conceivable way at every moment can do so in one more way at one more time. Because they are so boorish that their money is literally the only thing that separates them from your average mouth breather. And they believe to their very core that their money makes them better people. So they HAVE to tell everyone they have money in order to reassure themselves that they're better than everyone. When it's patently obvious they are not.
Those guns do not significantly out perform a $2500 rifle, assuming they out perform them at all.
If you want art, for that kind of money you can hire a fine art student fresh out of school and have them make painting or whatever for a whole goddamn year or more.
Memories or mementos? Photographs. Stories from the locals. Books. Local crafts. Local food. Video. Etc.
It's the same thing as a 100,000 square foot house. Or a $50,000 dollar watch. Or a pen made of meteorite iron and gold damascus with your initials in inlaid rubies. The only function is to scream "I have fuck you money."
That's it.

Lmao at all the sour grapes

>>64427004
Just as a data point, there is a company out there who can get a H&H royal action sidelock built and engraved to the same standard by the same freelance makers to the trade and ex-H&H gunmakers that H&H uses for about half the price, since they don't have the same overhead.

Also, here's an interesting article about a 1880s gun with exactly the sort of one-piece steel barrels that anon is describing. So, clearly back in their heyday the fine gunmakers *did* consider and evidently passed on that kind of barrel making
https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/from-a-single-billet

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You have to remember that the sport shooting scene in Britain is bascially dead and that a large portion of shooting is game. And you cant show up to an organised game shoot with a semi or a pump, they will literally turn you away and if you turn up with some cheap shitty O/U or SxS you'll get funny looks.
Game shooting is the preserve of the wealthy and heavily stratified. You have to wear the right clothing (branded as well!) and know the right people. It's a social event more than anything and flashing your expensive guns is part of it. Most of them don't even take the birds they shoot.
There are exceptions to this, but that is how it is

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>>64432835
Cant thing of a better example than Prince Philips funeral a couple years ago. The vechicle that carried his coffin was the Land Rover they used to transport shooting parties around their estates

>>64431690
Why the fuck would you do 500 s/w? It’s not really loaded to take advantage of the barrel length, and if you’ve got fuck you money anyway then you could spring for 500 Nitro express?

>>64426856
Is there such a thing as an 'affordable' double rifle?

>>64432743
>So, clearly back in their heyday the fine gunmakers *did* consider and evidently passed on that kind of barrel making

>1880s

Lmao

>>64432835
>there are exceptions
That's a massive, massive understatement

>>64433598
Show me the affordable game shoots that just anyone can go on. They do exist but the scene is dominated by the wealthy and connected.

>>64432903
Pedersoli makes a .75 Cal muzzleloader that costs about $1500, and a .45-70 that's about $5k last I checked.

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>>64432835
Very true. A great example is this:
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill

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>>64433672
Based

>>64426856
Why admire a painting when you can just generate some AI slop?

>>64433668
Oh, and there are also even cheaper ones from Baikal. These are terrible, however, because they aren't regulated. They have this silly setscrew system used to adjust the two barrels to the same point of impact--in other words, they're skipping the hardest part of building the gun and then hoping the customer will figure it out. Not only is it a huge pain in the ass to make this adjustment, it doesn't stay put once you've done it so you're constantly having to fuck around with zero.

>>64426856
>>64426856
How do you ajust the shooting pattern on a single solid block of steel and how does it make it cheaper/easier than soldering two pieces of forged tubes+hooks I'm all ears.

>>64432042
>That's it.
Lol you're seething. In reality firearms used for hunting that get passed down generation to generation have always been a thing. Poorfags do it all the time. This is a handmade gun designed to go on a couple dozen African safaris, which go from $25k and up, through multiple people's lifetimes. They don't care that it's $50-100k because that's not even close to the cost of bringing it on hunts anyway.

You're absolutely right about them thinking they're better, they are. White hunters have ALWAYS been an aristocrats thing and that's how it's going to remain for the future. Thankfully that's what keeps conservation funded.

>>64432849
I wouldn't use it in Africa. It'd be a deer gun.

>>64432844
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_brake

>>64433849
>500 S&W out of a rifle length barrel
Must be some pretty serious fucking deer

>>64433894
I googled "muscular deer", to see if there is like a belgian blue equivalent of deer, and to make some dumb joke if there was
Needless to say, I now have to live with the massive amount of furry deer bara art I saw

>>64433746
>How do you ajust the shooting pattern on a single solid block of steel
You don't because it wouldn't need it. A solid block doesn't move or misalign. You're basically machining two tubular cavities into a single block.

>how does it make it cheaper/easier than soldering two pieces of forged tubes+hook

Mill the exterior. Machine the two barrels (machining two convergent tunnels). Literally.

>>64435060
I think you may not have thought this through all the way. Suppose you're the guy in charge of making these guns. Your boss hands you the order sheet from the customer. It's got all the stock dimensions, the weight the customer wants, any specific requirements, and of course the load. How do you know what angle to offset the barrel bores by if you haven't tested that exact load before? Are you expecting to perform this really exotic boring and EDM process over and over again until you get it right? That sounds a lot more expensive than the procedure demonstrated in the video above. This isn't like a single barrel where you just drill a straight hole and you're done. Here, you are dealing with the arcane art of getting two different barrels to converge at a given distance. That is load-dependent, if you weren't aware. If you own a double rifle you need to know exactly what load it was regulated for (bullet mass and velocity), because if your ammo doesn't duplicate that the two barrels won't shoot to the same point of impact. This is actually a problem for people who want to shoot antique black powder doubles. These were often regulated for Curtiss & Harvey black powder, which was more potent than modern. Shooting those guns accurately requires either having them re-regulated for a modern load, or fiddling around with loading nitro-for-black trying to duplicate the original load the gun was regulated for. If you want to learn more about this I suggest the book Shooting the British Double Rifle by Graeme Wright

>>64431122
You can go well over 70 yards with slugs. 20 gauge solid copper sabot is good out to 120+

>>64435246
And by good I mean 3 MOA or less with 1225 fpe.

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>>64435116
>How do you know what angle to offset the barrel bores by if you haven't tested that exact load before?

CAD. And it's literally math (geometry to be precise).

>Are you expecting to perform this really exotic boring and EDM process over and over again until you get it right?

Literally milling and drilling on a 5-axis CNC.

>This isn't like a single barrel where you just drill a straight hole and you're done. Here, you are dealing with the arcane art of getting two different barrels to converge at a given distance.

Which is... drilling two offset smoothbores in a rectangular block.

>That is load-dependent, if you weren't aware. If you own a double rifle you need to know exactly what load it was regulated for (bullet mass and velocity), because if your ammo doesn't duplicate that the two barrels won't shoot to the same point of impact.

I'm talking about shotguns though...

>I suggest the book Shooting the British Double Rifle by Graeme Wright

I will! This one? (pic)

>>64435262
I’ve killed a white tail at 265 yards with Federal Trophy Copper sabot slugs. There’s a reason why Minnesota is abolishing their shotgun only zone for the 2026 season, shotguns are basically rifles at this point

>>64435332
>And it's literally math (geometry to be precise).
For a shotgun it's easy. For a rifle I doubt you could even write the equation.

>Literally milling and drilling on a 5-axis CNC.
Which is slow and expensive. You can't afford to guess-and-check. It's also a lot more complicated than you might think: how do you machine out the hollow space between the two barrels? And remember, this isn't a question of "is it possible", the question is "is it cheaper than doing it the other way".

>Which is... drilling two offset smoothbores in a rectangular block.
At an unknown angle. Can't program the CNC without that number. And if you get it wrong, it's real expensive to try again.

>I'm talking about shotguns though...
It's less important with shotguns but it's still a factor. This is one of the factors that separates a really nice shotgun from a mass-produced one. A mass-produced shotgun will have the barrels joined on a jig based on mathematical calculations. The two barrels won't shoot to the perfect same zero, but they figure the customer won't care because...as you said...it's a shotgun. Most shooters won't really notice how well the patterns overlap because of spread. But the fancy guns will be adjusted until the two barrels pattern exactly the same. They also fuck around with the interior shape of the barrels to affect the the pattern as well. Note the patterning taking place in the video >>64427004, where they shoot the whitewashed panel, count the number of pellets striking in the 30" circle, adjust, test again, etc.

>>64435416
>For a shotgun it's easy. For a rifle I doubt you could even write the equation

Lmao you're real funny. But hey, this one's appropriate for you: https://www.calculator.net/right-triangle-calculator.html

>Which is slow and expensive.
Which is how barrels are commonly done (lathed and drilled). You think CHF is any cheaper?

>how do you machine out the hollow space between the two barrels
You don’t. The top and bottom are sealed anyway.

>At an unknown angle.
HS level trigonometry? If a bore is offset by 0.5" and I need it to converge at 40 yards, I need an offset of 0.0199°.

>It's less important with shotguns but it's still a factor. This is one of the factors that separates a really nice shotgun from a mass-produced one. A mass-produced shotgun will have the barrels joined on a jig based on mathematical calculations. The two barrels won't shoot to the perfect same zero, but they figure the customer won't care because...as you said...it's a shotgun. Most shooters won't really notice how well the patterns overlap because of spread. But the fancy guns will be adjusted until the two barrels pattern exactly the same. They also fuck around with the interior shape of the barrels to affect the the pattern as well.

I doubt anyone in that specific gun industry niche uses any sort of modern software. Loads are also affected, like all rounds, by gravity and wind.

>>64435497
>https://www.calculator.net/right-triangle-calculator.html
I don't see where that calculator compensates for the flex of the opposite barrel.

>Which is how barrels are commonly done (lathed and drilled)
Turning on a lathe is much faster than milling, and making two seperate turned tubes and then joining them is much faster than trying to machine out the center gap of a double-barrel assembly by some other means.

> You think CHF is any cheaper?
CHF isn't relevant to the discussion. We're talking about double barrel assembles, which cannot be made by CHF. We're discussing these two methods:
a) gun-drill & turn two forged blanks, also make ribs, then join those pieces together by brazing
vs
b) take one forged blank, gun-drill two holes in it, and then by some method yet-to-be-specified, remove the material from between them.

>You don’t.
Then your barrel assembly will suck to use in practice because it's heavy and has shit balance. People paying this kind money for a shotgun expect perfect balance, not a barrel that's 3 lbs too heavy.

>HS level trigonometry?
No. You don't even know all the variables you need to account for. You're out of your element; a virgin discussing sex. If the problem were this simple double rifles and actually good shotguns wouldn't be anywhere near as expensive as they are. A properly designed double-barrel compensates for the two barrels being slightly offset from the centerline axis of the stock. When you fire the left barrel of a SxS it tends to want to pull the gun, and therefore the point of impact to the left. And vice-versa for the right barrel. A skilled gunmaker will take that into account. There is also a twisting moment involved if the gun is a rifle. The book I mentioned by Graeme Wright goes into more detail about that. There are harmonics as well. This is not just durr basic triangle math.

>I doubt anyone in that specific gun industry niche uses any sort of modern software.
Correct. Why would they?

>>64435540
>Turning on a lathe is much faster than milling, and making two seperate turned tubes and then joining them is much faster than trying to machine out the center gap of a double-barrel assembly by some other means.

You don't.

>b) take one forged blank, gun-drill two holes in it, and then by some method yet-to-be-specified, remove the material from between them.
>Then your barrel assembly will suck to use in practice because it's heavy and has shit balance. People paying this kind money for a shotgun expect perfect balance, not a barrel that's 3 lbs too heavy.

You don't. You mill the outer profile and then drill the barrels into it. Any sort of additional weight is minimal if not abysmal.

>No. You don't even know all the variables you need to account for. You're out of your element; a virgin discussing sex. If the problem were this simple double rifles and actually good shotguns wouldn't be anywhere near as expensive as they are. A properly designed double-barrel compensates for the two barrels being slightly offset from the centerline axis of the stock. When you fire the left barrel of a SxS it tends to want to pull the gun, and therefore the point of impact to the left. And vice-versa for the right barrel. A skilled gunmaker will take that into account. There is also a twisting moment involved if the gun is a rifle. The book I mentioned by Graeme Wright goes into more detail about that. There are harmonics as well. This is not just durr basic triangle math.

You're gay and retarded. Here's your solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_element_method

>Correct. Why would they?

It's 2025. It's gay and retarded. Boomer fudds can suck it.

>>64426856
They aren't meant to be fired

>>64426856
>So in the end, what's the truth behind these guns?
Wh\at the fuck are you gibbering on about? Fuck off and buy a PSA AR and a glawk and leave nice guns alone for those who actually know them or know anything about gunmaking or firearms. America used be full of serious gun collectors, writers and knowedgeable lovers and users of guns and it fell off a fucking cliff into some sort of idiocracy in the 80s and never recovered and now exists in a quagmire of roided morons on youtube and dimwits who have never read a book on the subject and strap batteries all over cheap worthless crappy aluminium and plastic crap and think 100 yards is long range and the way to deal with it is spray a mag randomly in that direction using a shitty 4 MOA chinese red dot . No wonder remmington, smith and wesson, colt and winchester went to shit and there is no appreciation of American long rifles or match rifles any more. Disarmament by stupidity

>>64437209
>Any sort of additional weight is minimal
Anon, have you never fired a shotgun before? Getting the balance perfect is the entire fucking point.

Even the fancypants race guns that competitive clay shooters use are built with fabricated barrels because machining them from a solid block without the gap between the barrels would make the gun point like a fencepost.

>>64437209
>Any sort of additional weight is minimal if not abysmal.
Another fine post from the peak of mount stupid.

>>64426856
Guns are tools.
It's like having a decorated screwdriver.
Unless you're using it to fix things or fasten things, your screwdriver is useless, however fancy it is.

If you buy a gun cheaper than mine, you're a disgusting poorfag and should kys
If you buy a gun more expensive than mine, you're a retarded fudd boomer with no taste who just wants to flaunt their fuck you money.

>>64437613
>/k/'s LEMMA

>>64437329
Reddit rant.

>>64437209
The mill and jig that can drill two 30" 12ga bores within <0.0005" alignment into the same workpiece does not exist. CNC machining is not wizard magic that shits out perfect parts to arbitrary precision at the push of a button.

>>64437391
>>64437502
>Getting the balance perfect is the entire fucking point.
>Even the fancypants race guns that competitive clay shooters use are built with fabricated barrels because machining them from a solid block without the gap between the barrels would make the gun point like a fencepost.

Which is about... you guessed it... CG! Center of Gravity! And is why... yeah you guessed it... competitive shooters (skeet/trap) have either front-heavy (barrel) or rear-heavy (stock) rifles! And how do you think they add weight to, let's say, the stock? (which is made of wood and has like less than a 10th of the density of steel) Yeah... placing mass on it. Which is why LARPfags and everybody else rants about where to put stuff to balance the gun.

>>64437913
10 microns are absolutely feasible, and it's been done plenty of times. In fact, stuff that has gone into space had tolerances of 10 microns. There isn't anything that the gun industry did that any other industry, like aerospace/mechanical, can't do.