Fascinating development in the drone/anti-drone/SEAD battlefield, Ukrainian drones hunting Russian drone hunting prop aircraft
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>>64428347How much more shit can Russia lose
>>64428347Wasn't this one of the planes they just showed off for hunting drones in their latest smekalka propaganda piece?https://xcancel.com/NOELreports/status/1980719663081566240Holy shit they were.
>>64428347Silly baderites that plane full of 300 Ukrainazi PoWs))))) and also 20 perdiferous Boris Johnsons
Would the white body of the drone provide good camouflage on an overcast day?
>>64428396A whole chemical plant in Bryansk.
>>64428347>We've camouflaged the plane as a plane-shaped object covered in entting
>>64428347common Puccian L
>>64428347>the camo net is so useless you cant even see the camo net from a distance kek
>>64428408I thought voyager 1 was already in the Oort cloud?
>>64428625It's out of the heliosphere, in interstellar space now. The oort cloud is quite far.
>>64428593>green camo net over yellow dirt inside a protective aircraft bundRare case of Russians making an effort bit a common example of it being fucking useless
what drone did they use?it looks like a Lancet derivative of some kind
>>64428920Might be the Bulava
The hell are these sandbags for? Are they gonna put a WW2 AAA gun there?
Do these count as Russian Air Force combat losses?
>>64428936Nah, front fins too far forward. Probably a RAM-2X.
>>64428936>>64429078anons, what's the advantage of having 4 wings in this configuration? why don't regular planes use this configuration?
>>64428347they say it was an airbase inside Ukraine. anybody knows where exactly? >>64429071you wanna bet they followed some sort of ww2 guide on how to build an airfield
>>64429071the way the zigger army operates i'd assume it's pure cargo cult and nothing else
In places like airfields where it is difficult to build shelters or trenches, temporary sandbag enclosures can be a good barrier against shrapnel.
>>64429107Near occupied Melitopol, I believe
>>64429118I know what sandbags are. What are they protecting?
>>64429095I'd guess stability since these are much lighter than regular aircraft, thus more susceptible to gusts of wind.
>>64429107>>64429120It's a small russian base 80km from the frontline.Why is an Ukrainian spotter drone flying freely around there is the real question
>new lancet
>>64429107>>64429118>pg.23
>>64429231He can't keep getting away with it!
>>64428920
>>64428625>>64428711They're only at ~ 169 and 140 AU away, not even 1 light-day distance.Oort cloud is between ~ 2,000 and 5,000 AU away.Another 550 years and Voy 1 will make it to the edge. After that, it's smooth sailing and, assuming no encounters with proto-cyborgs or non-sentient moon-sized brains, only ~ 25000 years until it finally reaches 'true' interstellar space.Space is so big that for all practical purposes it doesn't exist. It's just a skybox.
>>64429095Cause it looks awesome
>>64429286Find a pdf of Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything", he goes on about scale at some length. Depressing.
>>64428451It could do as long as the clouds stay white, but a dull grey or beige might be better, as it's got less chance of reflecting light and dull, neutral colours won't attract the eye as much as bright or contrasting ones.Or you could just paint it purple because no one has ever seen a purple drone.
>>64429077Yeah, it's along the same lines as when the Ukies kept HIMARSing the helicopters they kept parking in the same place.
>>64429095It helps with aiming in the terminal stage when it goes from being an aircraft into being a bomb. The extra two bits act as wings in the last stage to help give it both horizontal and vertical guidance.
>>64429095>why don't regular planes use this configurationregular planes are expected to land
>>64429416source?
>>64428347Is this the same airfield that Russian media accidentally doxxed?
>>64429494>had
>>64429554>It's a territory war not a tank warOh is that so? Do you think russian clerics will start summoning Earth Elementals?
> we need drones to counter the drones that are countering the drones that are countering the drones that are countering the droneswar is so fucking gay now. sun tzu nust be spinning in his grave
>>64429554I think what you call infantry… meat waves, have a significantly increased chance of completing objectives when supported by tanks rather than unsupported or on bikes
>>64429565They've already tried to praying fire away and blessing everything from tanks to plate carriers; so they might as well try demon summoning as well.
>>64429494>Russia has a lot of shitHeh
>>64429554>"it's a territory war, not a tank war">run out of tanks to fight the territory waruh
>>64429577Who cares, it's a land war not a people war
>>64429575>hyper chess technological battle>gay
>>64429600For Russia to truly get 'hurt'. They need to be close to total collapse. That requires at least 90% of their equipment to ge wiped out.
>>64429692No he isn't, faggot.
>>64428347>>64428408>>64428711When Oryx adds>Unknown turboprop planes, (2 damaged)To the list my sides definitely WILL be in the Oort cloud
>>64429762Isn't it a Yak-52?Not like Russia is suddenly churning out new WW2 airframes.
>>64429554>We don't need that many tanks anyway.
>>64429692>Russia still has hundreds.May we see them? Operational, at that?
>>64429565>russian clericsdon't get elemental summons unless they have the matching domain, and Russian Orthodox God only has Tyranny, War, and Death.
>>64429095Because aircraft with 2 wings needs to bank to turn. Wings create lift perpendicularly to their surface. Bank to turn is awkward and slow for munitions that need last second course adjustments before impact.If you have 4 wings set perpendicularly as X or cross you can turn directly to any direction without banking first.
>>64429908Hundreds of aircraft doesn't even sound like a whole lot when you consider there's trainers, transporters etc included.They should also have a number of working MiGs that they can't practically use in Ukraine.
>>64429693>That requires at least 90% of their equipment to ge wiped out.The "worse" category consists of vehicles that are in such bad condition that it can be diagnosed from space. They're unusable, and many of the 'poor' condition tanks will be too since not every problem is visible in commercially-available satellite imagery. That means in the last 3.5 years the Russians' reserve stockpiles of tanks and IFVs have shrunk by 77% and 82% respectively. And again, the remainder aren't all usable. The Russians absolutely do not have another 3 years of war left in them. They'd even be out of donkeys long before then.
>>64430142At this stage my assumption is that by year 5 starting they should have critical shortages in AD, armored vics, EW, and radars. Depending on what numbers we see, their artillery arm will probably be either faltering or done by then.
>>64430155They basically have reached critical AA shortage, Ukraine is finally able to have air superiority in some areas not by SEAD but just by slow and grinding total AA death.Personally, I wonder how practical it would be to turn a Flamingo into a HARM>Send Flamingo wave into Russia>At a set distance, say 500 km behind the lines, one in ten 'mingos activates HARM mode>Now any AA that thinks it's safe and is spamming it's radar has a truly massive HARM flatten itIt may be ridiculous overkill, but 1- 'mingos are already in production and are dirt cheap 2- they have the ridiculous range needed for this, and 3- puccians won't be able to tell what's a normal Flamingo, HARMingo, or decoyingo until it explodes, explodes an AA system, or doesn't explode and eats an expensive missile.
>>64429095You need yaw and pitched authority. Can't use a regular elevator and rudder like an airplane because of the rocket motor in the ass. Its not really unusual, basically all air to air or surface to air missiles have a similar x configuration for the same reason
>>64430278What's the difference between a normal flamingo and a decoy flamingo, the warhead?Warheads aren't THAT expensive, are they?
>>64430333Well I'm not a rocket scientist but I'd imagine that no warhead=much, much lighter=much less thrust needed=much less fuel needed too so even lighter=you can maybe just use a dirt cheap prop motor and have it match speed with the ones that otherwise need turbines, even cheap ones, since even a cheap jet is far more expensive than a prop. It seems that the fuselage is the fastest and cheapest part of the Flamingo to manufacture, but it might be a better use to stockpile them than just throwing them away.
>>64429986How about an aircraft with variable geometry that can switch between x wings and regular double wings?
>>64429494>five more minutes until Namek explodes
>>64429494*destroyes ur oil industry*psh, not personel, pidor
>>64429286There is a youtube video about how far things are away, space4anons basically:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcJHHU9upyE
>>64429325Well, drones *are* one-eyed, one-horned (warhead), and they do have a tendency to "eat" people they land near... so, you might as well paint them purple.
>>64429597>and blessing everything from tanks to plate carriersJapan does it with more style.
>>64430418>Water on electronicsWorks wonders
>>64428396>>64429494They will bring out the surplus I-153s next
>>64430373Only if we call the wings "S-foils".
>>64430333>>64430365I don't know about the Flamingo specifically, but IIRC in most cases they save a bit on the electronics too, simpler and cheaper navigational components limited to rudimentary waypoint navigation, less EW resistant components and communications and so on.
>>64429692>admits Russia’s armor got meme’d on
>prop aircraftNow they just need to create drone stukas for some proper WW2 kino.
>>64430959Zigger donkeys just got btfod out of Pokorvsk
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>>64428347air defense?
>>64430990Flamingo strike?
>>64430990>KopeyskHeh.
>>64430418She's exorcising daemons
>>64430365I don't know, I like the idea but I think they are spinning bodies for them out of carbon fibre? That would probably become a bottleneck unless they can get more looms and ovens, etc
>>64429071>The hell are these sandbags for? Are they gonna put a WW2 AAA gun there?wouldn't some ww2 aa gun be just the right thing for close range drone defense?
>>64431171yeah the fuselage is carbon fiber
>>64431151underrated
>>64430990>>64431034Kopeysk and Seethelov
>>64431480what kino is this guy from again
>>64428396I doubt much has changed since Hitler crashed Mannerheim's birthday party.>Mannerheim: But so, how they - in reality - and now there is no doubt all they had - what they had in their stocks!>Hitler: Absolutely, This is - they had the most immense armaments that, uh, people could imagine. Well - if somebody had told me that a country - with...(Hitler is interrupted by the sound of a door opening and closing.) If somebody had told me a nation could start with 35,000 tanks, then I'd have said: "You are crazy!">Mannerheim: Thirty-five?>Hitler: Thirty-five thousand tanks.>Another Voice In Background: Thirty-five thousand! Yes!>Hitler: We have destroyed - right now - more than 34,000 tanks. If someone had told me this, I'd have said: "You!" If you are one of my generals had stated that any nation has 35,000 tanks I'd have said: "You, my good sir, you see everything twice or ten times. You are crazy; you see ghosts." This I would have deemed possible. I told you earlier we found factories, one of them at Kramatorskaja, for example, Two years ago there were just a couple hundred [tanks]. We didn't know anything. Today, there is a tank plant, where - during the first shift a little more than 30,000, and 'round the clock a little more than 60,000, workers would have labored - a single tank plant! A gigantic factory! Masses of workers who certainly, lived like animals and...https://yle.fi/a/20-270673https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_and_Mannerheim_recordinghttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/96411-Hitler-speaking-in-private-with-Mannerheim-amazing-video-(-1942-Finland)
>>64431549how many tank factories does russia have?
>>64431561One.The USSR it is not.
>>64431561I dunno, few? Maybe there's some Siberian chopshop that's welding old T-62's into working order.>>64431568But it has stuff to use and loose. And apparently they're now making new hulls for the T-90 2025 edition, but like in 100 or lower a year. I just listened Mighty Finland podcast, where FDF tank colonel said that they're overhauling and making new stuff in war mode, and on NATO's side something like Leo 2's haven't been made new since 80's/90's.
>>64431025maybe?
>>64430990>>64431629>This shit at the same exact time Trump sanctions Russian oilHow long until Medvedev calls Trump a nigger on X?
>>64432132The Russians have suddenly decided not to attend ASEAN despite initial plans to meet with Trump there
>>64431171They're spinning something like 2 or 3 a day/loom IIRC, I think they said 7-10 hours build time. As long as the supply of used up jet engines continues they could easily be building their 200 a month target by mid 26.
>>64431597>they're making new hulls for t-90sSo they're casting new t-72 hulls? The only new hulls russia has been confirmed to have made in the past 20 years are the shartmata and it's retarded little apc brother.>100 a yearThat does not bode well for them.
>>64433155A reminder it was a way to reset the president from the last person to steer him back to reality. Unfortunately he's too fat to pickup and shake while screaming in his face that putin doesn't want a "deal", putin is just stringing him along. Maybe that would get his attention.
>>64428396If Monke was down to the last Russian solider, he would chop that soldier up into three pieces just to give Ukrainian three additional targets.
>>64433179It's impossible to convince a narcissistic fool that they're being played like the fool they are
>>64430990really makes you think
>>64433266I think they mean targetting data from google maps
>>64431515It wasa Mila Yovovich vampire film - Ultraviolet or somehting.
>>64431515>kinothat would be ultraviolet movie
>>64433276>>64433275Thanks frens
>>64430532Pretty sure "S-foil" is just cheese techbabble for "spacefoils," analogous to "airfoils."
>>64433179>>64433220On /k/ I get to rightfully mock Russia, unlike in /pol/ which is the brownest place on the internet it seems and sucks off Russia's cock. But at the same time, TDS here is so terminal, that it puts a blemish on it. Oh well.
>>64433176>So they're casting new t-72 hulls?Apparently so.>That does not bode well for them.Certainly not. But it is something. It is producing new stuff, instead of refitting old ones with modern stuff like Leo2A8's.>>64431597 (You)Ok, so I listened it again and I somewhat have to correct myself. >through '24 and early '25 they've been overhauling 115 old tanks per month, apparently the number has dropped to 60 during '25>totally new production is 300 T-90's in '24>up to '28 it is planned that they produce 1100 more new hull T-90M2's, in '27 there is supposed to be 438 new tanks per yearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI-yXnTcs_YOh and Abrams hulls haven't been made since the turn of the millenia.
>>64433326>muh tds
>>64433342It's quite annoying, yes.
>>64433266The more authority is transferred from the US cucks to the EU cucks the better.
>>64433328>planned production numbersAnd they'll actually make more than 20 Su-57 a year, and Su-75 will actually enter serial production ever. Russia can plan and announce whatever the fuck they want, I'll believe it when they actually start doing it.>300 new t-90s in 2024May we see them, or have they already been turned to scrap? I'm being so doubtful because if they could cast new hulls in any number they'd already have been seen in combat, not increasingly decrepit 72s, 62s, and confirmed 55s.
>>64433477Well that colonel said Russians aren't using tanks that much currently, maybe saving those for something in the future or the battlefield isn't good for their use. Look, I don't follow autistically tank numers nor can I site any original sources with grainy pictures of hull idetification numbers, I'm fully basing this on the FDF tank colonel and his interview. I trust him as an information source.
>>64433523NAYRT but>I trust himMore fool youWho ever said NATO O-5s are immune to making mistakes or being wrong?The 300 figure is a commonly cited and erroneous figure thrown around. We know from more reliable sources that their brand-new T90 production is nowhere near that figure. Actual figures given from prewar Russian figures and cited by reputable NATO sources were about 10 brand new T90Ms a year and 30 refurbs from T90A chasses. Assuming they can triple production by working 24/7, this means they might be able to build 30 new and 90 converts a year, ASSUMING no further hiccups or bottlenecks.Your precious FDF colonel is citing a figure above even prewar Russian claims.
>>64429541>Ulan-udeI saw a girl from there two times. Thankfully nothing happened, but I found her real exotic. Jarringly weird but to be speaking slav with a yellow girl. I now understand its more common but that was new to me.
>>64433579Well I'm going with the info from a source I trust. If I can't trust the professional tank guys of my army, who can I? He teaches tank stuff in the armored school, so hw clearly knows about stuff.
>>64432132See >>64433032
>>64433342Trump just put the biggest economic sanctions on Russia (from the US) not only of his term but since 2022. Why are people still acting like "he's just Putin's puppet"?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/ukraine-pounds-putin-oil-refinery-with-drones-hours-after-trump-imposed-sanctions-on-oil-giants/ar-AA1P1Y0z?ocid=winp2fptaskbarmouseenter&cvid=68fa3f2d332643418e98260f11c893e9&ei=11HOLY JESUS
>>64433326bump stock salt will be eternal, and it's betting odds on if he does FRT's next.
>>64433768Nta but probably because he keeps holding back significant help in Ukraine even when they offer to buy stuff
>>64433768probably because of all the things he says and does
>>64433328>Muh Abrams hullsYes we did in fact overproduce hulls and now store a massive contingent inside the worlds best open air storage for equipment (US geography power ups too strong). We have not, however, not been producing new tanks. Instead we have been upgrading and updating the hulls we do have. This is why there's barely any SEP1s left and why we had a few SEP2s to send. Russia conversely never managed to update the vast majority of its T90s to even SEP1 standards by 2023
>>64433439>EUWhere?
>>64433633Yeah well how many battles has he been in and how many tanks has he killed, and how many battles and tanks has Douglas MacGregor fought and killed?A tank colonel probably knows far more about tank combat than anyone else not in the tank corps, but they are not infallible and can make mistakes, and the subject here is tank PRODUCTION not tank combat.
>>64433308It could be short for "shota foils", as long as I get to say "Lock S-Foils into attack position" I'm golden.
>>64434033>Douglas MacGregorWho?How many battles have you been? You sound like you're just jelly, that you don't have sexy black and silver collar patches and get to roll around with Leo 2's as your job. Tanks and tank related things are his thing, he knows more than you. And gets paid for knowing stuff.
>>64433768>Why are people still acting like "he's just Putin's puppet"?Mainly because of the things he has done and said hitherto, but also because the Russians themselves keep calling him "Nash Trumpushka."The play on words here is that "pushka" is a gun/cannon but also makes it sound cutesy, like Trump is a small little dumpling that you own>"Our Trumpling"
>>64434082>WhoLolLmao
Is armatard larping as a Finn today?
>>64434096I don't think we should rule out the possibility that the Russians themselves just enjoy playing up the idea that they're le epin 600 IQ puppet masters controlling half of the West's political elites because it makes them look bigger and scarier than they really are. If it was meant to be a subtle thing, you wouldn't have Solovyov (and Prigozhin, when he was alive) bragging about "Look how much we're interfering!", "The Right all over the world loves us!", etc. (Solovyov and his cohosts were jerking themselves off while saying "HAHA HEGSETH IS OURS" mere ours before the new oil sanctions were announced and Ryazan exploded). Putin likes playing "the heel" to Western democracies.He can claim he owns Trump if he wants. He also says he owns Ukraine.
>>64434102Seriously, I don't know. Sounds like an Irish boxer.>>64434106Meinaat notta mä oon joku Arma3-autisti? En oo koskaan edes pelannut sitä. Puhtaan lumivalkoista suomalaista on paha mennä larppaamaan, koska sellaisia on vaan harvassa. Toki suurin osa suomalaisista internetissä on pahasti autistisia, että siinä mielessä osuu kohdalle. Ite vaan aseisiin ja varusteisiin kohdistuen. Tankeista en tiedä niin paljoa, kivoja vaan ovat.
>>64434106Something like that, for the last few days we had a very persistent zigger who goes from thread to thread and makes obvious overtuned anti-russian posts that look like some government agent wrote them. He's more interested to insult anyone pointing that out than to actually to attack ziggers and their dumb shit, like you can tell he more tries to piss people off than anything else. So this might be just another angle from him.
>>64434126>mere ours*mere hoursI need to start proofreading my shit
>>64434140>Seriously, I don't knowAsk your colonel.
>>64434126>jerking themselves off while saying "HAHA HEGSETH IS OURS"Solovyov isn't wrong about Kegsbreath.
>>64434162If he is, he's dropped the ball lmao
>>64434155I don't have one, I'm in the reserves.Fine, got me to google it, since you're a passive aggressive cunt and are unable to tell it to me. Some American writer. Now why should I listen to you/him? I trust my countrymen more.
>>64434126Russian reality is more obscure and they are worse to at it since they have so many versions of it. There is like internal version with different degrees of just 'hurraah' patrotism depending on how much they perceive their other russian counterpart is falling from the internal russian consensus, there are various different realities each carefully catered to the target audiance and how persistant they are to how much and easily russians are lying. People in the West f.e. have this as well, but not to that degree, or at least it isn't that strong to that degree in such a large percentage of the population. Funfact: Splitting up reality so much and having so many realities at once makes one prone to become schizophrenic or get traits of a schizophrenic.
>>64434171I don't really understand inflationfags. It does less than nothing for me - its disturbing and off-putting. Are you also the blueberry marichka fag?
>>64434187>Are you also the blueberry marichka fag?No.:^)
>>64434189Literally worse than furfags.
>>64434209Mine is topical, though.>Russia undergoing massive inflation>Ukraine ranks among the top 20 blueberry producers worldwide, with about a 0.6% global share
>>64434214>>Russia undergoing massive inflationOooooh, that's the reason for the boobs. Kinda weird that its a Russian Aeroflot airline worker you chose for your fetish. Nothing to do with economic inflation. I literally thought it was only a fetish thing until >>64434171 which made me thing it was somehow related to Hegseth. But its not....so, I'm back to it just being a sex thing for you.>Ukraine is blueberry superpowerI'm aware, but that huge bump in export was also because blueberry harvests in the Americas (Chile? Peru? one of them down there) failed that year. I'm not sure if the exports after that were as lucrative for ukrainian Big Blueberry.
>>64429078Could be this alsohttps://militarnyi.com/en/news/new-x-wing-strike-drone-from-lithuania-priced-at-e10-000-being-tested-in-ukraine/
>>64429286>Space is so big that for all practical purposes it doesn't exist.By the time a Voyager probe reaches another star the human race won't exist as we know it.
>>64434187>Are you also the blueberry marichka fag?I think there's potential here.
>>64433270targeting data as in "Fly this route so you avoid enemy AD"
>>64429575this is just the evolution of aerial combat all over again. except the planes commit suicide instead of using guns.
>>64429071I thought that was a ritualistic pile of bodies for a second
>>64436560Smekalka!
>>64433772>I don't feel so good monke-bros
>>64434177>you're a passive aggressive cunt and are unable to tell it to meYou started the paggression, mate. I took my cue from you.>Some American writerShitty googlefu
>>64436368lol
>>64436560the fact that they would've taken the time to arrange them and stack them in a semi circle makes this even funnier
>>64433772>>64436612I hope you all realize that the latest US sanctions on Russian oil almost exactly mirror UK sanctions put in place a mere week before Trump's.The City of London has influence everywhere.
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>>64428347Have the full before-after.
>>64430278Decoy flamingos make little sense right now. The main incoming bottleneck is engine production.
>>64437937Holy fuck, Russia. Even gay little plane hobbyists over here in the GAY WECT have hangars for their Sideshow Bob planes!
>>64437709The Island Jew's sorcery may not match that of their Levantine cousins but it is nevertheless a force to be reckoned with.
>>64430418/etc/init.d/daemon stop
>>64429655it's unfair when the other side's smarter than you
