suppose you're a civilian who wants to save whales from whalers and you decided that sea shepherd is too weak so you resort to sink the whaling ships altogether. what kind of weaponry would be powerful enough to cause serious hull damage, or otherwise neutralize the bridge, without being too complex or too difficult to get?
>>64429128Look up Somali pirates officer.
>>64429128Just weaponize the whales.
I love Eco Warrior Posting
>>64429128Feed the whales explosives. Eventually the problem will take care of itself one way or another.
>>64429128The elites don't want you to know this, but commercial whaling ships have no meaningful defences against men in speedboats carrying small arms.
>>64429128>not the heckin' whales!!They're not even endangered.
>>64429128I would kill the sea shepherd's crew so the Japanese would stop whaling, it's commercially non-viable and they only do it for face-saving purposes due to gaijin trying to force them to stop. Without that outside pressure they would stop on their own.
>>64429206neither are the yellow ape men on those boats, so why should you care?
>>64429219Because I hate those yellow apes less than I hate vegans.
>>64429239of course you do, you worthless ching chong bugman. at least, on the internet, cause you wouldn't help your fellow insect brethren irl even if your life depended on it
>>64429128keel cracking torpedoesyou can get them from diego garciajust put on an australian accent, you'll be fine
>>64429202Aside from the explosive harpoon. I don't know if it can destroy a speedboat, but I suspect it's a bad time if it hits.
>>64429239I will never understand this mentality. Whales have to be slaughtered because people you don't know might be upset if they ever hear about? This is modern conservatism? because it's not what I signed up for.
>>64429128Killing people is bad, mkkay?
>>64429273>modern conservatismConservationism. The absolute state of American education.
>>64429206Chinkoids spoted.>>64429128The houthis manager a few manuever kills on american Planes,Balistica missiles and drones are the way to go.
>>64429281I'm not falling for your baits, mr baits man.
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>>64429128just get some somalians to take the ship, much simpler than to sink it + you don't pollute the seas and harm the whales
>>64429264I would imagine it would have a hard time effectively targeting a moving speedboat, but i suppose the whaler could always get a lucky hit.A short range sea drone loaded with explosives would probably work, if you don't want to send humans into harpoon range. Something like a remote controlled water scooter.
>>64429273Americans are fucking retarded and evil, more news at 11.
>>64429128Would shoving enough tannerite into a compressed space work as a serviceable torpedo?
>>64429273It's not "modern" conservatism, it's all-time conservatism, because no one sane can wish for everything to remain the same all the time - only one's net worth and privileges.No need to call me a lefty because I also think communists just want to become "conservatives" themselves by getting themselves to power.
>>64429128Ol' reliable
>>64429324Whaler tanks are small compared to real environmental hazards like cruise ships or tankers. Besides, the wreck can turn into an artificial reef. I guess the best way to minimize the pollution from oil spilling would be sink them as they return back to port. It would even be easier to reach them. But you won't prevent them from killing the whales, which is the objective in the first place
>>64429206East Australian Humpbacks were down to just 150 individuals by the time hunting them was banned in 1963. That's saying nothing of the Right Whales, which still haven't bounced back very well. Every whale species on the planet was heavily impacted by whaling to the point of damn near getting wiped out entirely, and the japs fucking around with this '''''research''''' is essentially an insult.
>>64429447The minke whales that the nips are actually fishing are classified least concern.
>>64429128Whaling isn’t a problem, the problem is the chinese fishing fleets that travel the world decimating fish populations in international waters that nobody cares/knows/does anything about.
>>64429273It’s contrarianism
>>64429451Nta but unless the japs can guarantee zero non-minke whale harvesting I'm all for torpedoing their whalers>>64429447Minke whales aren't endangered, dumbassThey're literally LC on the IUCN scale>>64429128Any project not notable enough to attract a company willing to "lose" some industrial TNT is not worth the consideration You can nigger rig torpedoes with that
>>64429128Shaped charges for mining can be had if you have the licences. They can be placed by dudes in speedboats. Speedboats and small arms fire.Drones dropping thermite or molotovs.Drones dropping mysterious white powder labelled anything you'd like.Drones dropping fentanyl.ANFO is lighter than water. Fill a plastic barrel with it. Anchor it to the whaling ship with a rare earth magnet and rope. Roll it overboard. Remotely detonate.Use a sumersible drone to get a thin wire tangled in the screw(s). That thin wire is attached to thicker wire, to thicker wire, to chain... then it's a sitting duck for whatever.Purpose build a boat with a reinforced hull and an underwater ram. Roman style.
Kind of weird that whaling is like the one indigenous hunting practice that it's common to have an opinion on at all, let alone a strictly negative one.Like half the island and snow durkas are the only guys allowed to hunt seals or eat sea bird eggs or whatever.
>>64429128Magnetic shape charges with a timer and NV to fix them on the ship at night.
>>64429459>implying chinks don't hunt whales as well
>>64429128Drone boats filled with high explosive
>>64429128
>>64429531Yeah because they NEED to do that to survive. The japs absolutely do not. They only started whaling in meaningful amounts in the post-war period where they were desperate for any food they could get their hands on and almost their entire fishing fleet had been scrapped by the USAAF. Nowadays, whale meat is very unpopular (not tasty for one) and only a select audience of boomers buy the crap. The government, being full of said boomers, protects the industry out of a sense of national pride despite literally everyone telling them to get fucked.
>>64429128Pull a reverse Rainbow Warrior and sink the boats at their moorings. Could be as simple as sneaking aboard while the crew are at home and destroying the pumps with a hammer. Or if you can't get onboard, buy a wetsuit, swim up to the ship at its dock and duct tape a homemade bomb to the hull.
>>64429699>They only started whaling in meaningful amounts in the post-war period where they were desperate for any food they could get their hands on Whale meat was quite literally a plan by the US occupation government. The Japanese didn't have much in the way of livestock farms (a vestige of their several centuries-long religiously-imposed vegetarian diet), and the amounts of fish brought in by the remaining tiny fishing boats was considered insufficient in terms of protein input in the average Japanese person's diet. So, until factory farms would be brought online, the occupation government used whaling to make up the difference in meat consuption.
>>64429664>still only cares about the whales because they’re cute and fish aren’t >doesn’t give a shit about collapsing entire ecosystems Just like vegans. You only give a shit about cows, not all of the bugs and mice that get killed with chemicals or mulched up in harvesters while farmers grow your “healthy” “ethical” food or that the environment needs to be destroyed by plowing it to make it a farm in the first place.
>>64429239That's the most disgusting goyshit opinion I've ever heard. Preserving nature absolutely fucking trumps brown people
>>64429777who said i didn't? care about overfishing? who said i am vegan? why going on a tangent based on your own projection? the point is, the topic is about whaling, not overfishing. you clearly are on the spectrum and i suggest you take your meds.
Sinking any unarmed vessel is easy. Getting away with it is the hard part. You'll want to do your best to jam all of their communications, but most of these ships will carry Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacons that are activity water, are about the size of a walkie talkie to loaf of bread. Good luck trying to fish them all out of the water before somebody notices the SOS signals. And even if you manage to board the thing, kill or capture the crew, and get the boat to the bottom of the ocean without tripping any search and rescue alarms, the fact that the ship's transponder suddenly disappeared is going to be very suspicious. Coast guards, and possibly Navies will show up to look for the missing sailors eventually. If you aren't jamming, boarding, killing/capturing, then pretending to be the crew of the whaling ship until you can scuttle it or otherwise dispose of it, then your only real hope of sinking these things would be to torpedo them from a submarine, then hope and pray you don't run into another submarine or surface vessel with ASW capabilities.
>>64429128https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmfRi2Vl3JQ
>>64429128Nice try, greenpeace
>>64429459>NO SAFETY>SMOKING FIRST
>>64429447To be fair it was the Russians that genocides the most whales. In fact Pac pops still haven't recovered nor will they ever since the Ruskies basically wiped 3 species
>>64429743Not true, it was and always has been done by Japanese whalers. The taste for whale in Japan is at an all time low and has been for decades >>64429967For those wondering https://fee.org/articles/why-the-soviets-slaughtered-180-000-whales-during-the-cold-war/
>>64429831And if you fail to rekt the crew, they might reserve you the same fate that George H.W. Bush's squadron mates suffered.
>>64429128Interesting fact, the CSN is probably the single group most responsible for whales not going extinct lmao
>>64429459>chinese fishing fleetsI didn't realize it was as bad as it is until I read more about it recently. tl;dr if you're a country in the Pacific chances are you wake up one morning and all your food is gone because 200 Chink fishing boats illegally swept through your territory in the middle of the night.
>>64429999Its a pretty important function of the Diego Garcia base. The UK claims the whole EEZ out to 200 miles and there is like a company or so RMs that just go out and board the ships and arrest everyone. They would call us occasionally to tow the ship back in to the lagoon but then they would usually burn it on the beach after a couple days or scuttle it directly when boarding it so I never really got why sometimes they wanted us to bring it back in. They were pretty aggressive about it though, captured loads of crews
>>64429128>pic relatedthis but for undesirables
>>64429209This is the way. Decentralized crypto bounties to fuel the flames, both political sides would pay for this.
>>64429128TBF Avenger 2bh
>>64429977>https://fee.org/articles/why-the-soviets-slaughtered-180-000-whales-during-the-cold-war/Jesus that's messed up. Thanks for the article anon.
>>64429967I thought it was the faggots on Nantucket Island and Cape Cod that basically deleted entire whale populations for whale oil. >white man badThey learned it from the natives that butchered any pod that strayed too close to shore.
>>64429128The Nautillus
>>64429128I'm on the whale hunters' side. Did you know the standard whaling harpoon has a 100g PETN core warhead? Imagine the stopping power that would have against ecoterrorists.
>>64429860that's why he posted it anon
>whalesGood start but we need to go further and focus on the real menace to the seas, the enormous Chinese fleets that drain the fisheries of the world>dont worry its international waters |^)
>>64431017Fun fact for you, all of this discovery, total accident. Some western marine biologist was like, what the fuck happened to whales around Russia. They did basic research and managed to get access to the Kremlin archives. She just found the report and was like they did WAT! Then the article came out in like 2015. Crazy shit. The Japs def caught a bunch of heat for the Ruskies' shit
>>64429147It’s another vatnik influence op. The soviets used green movements to weaken the west all through the Cold War and today is no different. Notice how when Russia bombed their own nord stream gas infrastructure, the green movement was told by Putin to stood down from publicizing the naturalist disaster side of things?
>>64431079That's why I gave him a (you) for it, anon.
>>64431024>I thought it was the faggots on Nantucket Island and Cape Cod that basically deleted entire whale populations for whale oil.Oh, they did that too. Just in the 18th and 19th centuries. The Soviet nightmare was the 20th.>They learned it from the natives that butchered any pod that strayed too close to shore.Whaling has been an established practice in Europe for thousands of years and it was a lucrative industry in the colonies starting in the fucking 17th century, same as Britain. The period that most people think about is the first half of the 19th century, right in the sweet spot between massive demand and increased efficiency from industrialization and a lack of alternatives.
>>64431142While true, unnecessarily depleting global fish populations is gay. Therefore committing acts of piracy against asian commercial fishermen is both based and justified.
>>64429274Shut up, hippie.
>>64429206Numerous whale species are endangered, you fuckwit
>>64429128Radio guided speed boat full of explosives
>>64429977Every day another fucking reason for TZD>>64431447Yeah no shit, a remote controlled narcosub with explosives is what everyone fears
>>64429128If the whales didnt wanna die they would fight back. They're 80x bigger than a dude
>>64431241When does /k/ become full ecowarrior and declare war on the Chinese fishing fleet?
>>64429209I am sorry, but no.Whaling is a sort of "National pride" thing for Japanese, especially those nationalist quasi-fashist ones. They claim it's about "Self-sufficiency" (no it isn't) and "Feeding the nation" (No, it doesn't).But that's the hill they have chosen to die on. It's all "We have done this for ages and I'll be damned if I let some hippie tree-hugger stop us! For evey whale you don't eat, I will eat three!" and other nonsense. It's the Japanese version of what those Fox-hunting arisotcrats are for England. Honored tradition and all that. It's idiotic behavior, but it's THEIR idiotic behavior and they are proud of it..
>>64429860>Imagine being at computers
I watched every episode of whale wars semi-recently. AMA
I'm all for eco-terrorism but the Japanese whaling practices are perfectly sustainable and it wasn't the nips who decimated those whale populations in the first place, so why give them shit about it? If you really want to protect the environment through violence start blowing up coal power plants.
>>64429128GEEEEEEEEEEEEE that was a tough one!
>>64435161Good luck sinking a ship with what is essentially a flying anti personnel mine.
>>64429128THROW DA STINKY BUTTER AT THEMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmK0EYeRlo
The solution is factory farming. No more wild caught whales. Catch a few, breed them, stake their babies to the floor of a shallow pool, boom you have whale veal. Tastier, more sustainable, more humane.
>>64435099Because they ultimately aren't that sustainable. The levels at which whales live at today is miniscule compared to their traditional population sizes and each whale is a decade long investment to reach full form. Keep in mind they still attrite via normal means as well. These creatures also demonstrate much higher intelligence than other typical food sources and we really ought to just leave them be. They are some of the LAST megafauna left on the planet. Everywhere else we have eliminated them. Humans in North America killed gigantic sloths before Europeans even knew where it was. They also hunted mammoths to extinction before Jesus Christ. At this point in human history I'm of the opinion every megafauna must be preserved and returned to the highest numbers possible. Also from an interesting history point of view. The only reason megafauna are left in the ocean is that it was too hard to kill them for most of human history. We really did just narrowly escape their total elimination.
>>64435099>japanese NO, this is about countering Chinese influence. >>64433203Ideally, works should be happening at higher levels. The US State Department and UK’s Open Information Partnership should start building positive perceptions of vetted eco activist groups in the information space. Skepticism of eco activism should be cast as Chinese state propaganda. Then when these eco activists seek to hold China accountable, and force is used against them, it can be used as part of a wider framework of economic sanctions, pro democracy protests, and prosocial influence ops.
>>64438123>At this point in human history I'm of the opinion every megafauna must be preserved and returned to the highest numbers possible.You're just saying that because you have the instinctual desire to hunt them yourself
>>64438132Listen what I do AFTER I have made it so herds of elephants are wandering the Midwest is MY fucking business bud.
>>64438139Based. Return to tradition. Atlatl elephant safaris in Nebraska fucking when?
>>64429128The whairu zushi and whale bacon must flow.
>>64438157this but unironically, shits tasty
>>64429128You mean you don’t want to hang out at sea with leftists? Imbed in Japanese Coast Guard then go rogue.
>>64437919was just watching this
>>64429831Assuming you magically could obtain such a submarine I can't imagine any functional navy in the world would engage in offensive warfare on a hunch that this random sub sank a ship.
>>64429128>serious hull damageAnd RPG close to the water line will send the ship back to port
>>64429447>he japs fucking around with this '''''research'''''They have a proud history of "research" going back to WW2
>>64433246>It's idiotic behavior, but it's THEIR idiotic behavior and they are proud of it.."Only by preserving Japanese irrationality will we be able contribute to world culture 100 years from now."-Yukio Mishima
>>64433203When there's a chinese fishing fleet in their parents basement, or at least their parents backyard.
>>64429274Ok, but killing a person is ok.
>>64431109Terrifying.
>>64429202The elites don't want you to know this, but the whales in the ocean are free. You can take them home with you. I have 8 whales.
>>64438282*EMBED, RETARD
>>64429459>>64429999Yeah. I think it would be pretty easy to use thermal to detect ships on the ocean from a long-range fixed-wing drone and then blow the ships the fuck up, but what do I know, I only worked on drone strategy for a military think-tank for five years.
>>64431159This.Home made torpedo.
>>64429128this is literally a question militaries ask corporations so its gonna be difficult no matter what. but explosives are easy to get but would land you on more then one countries wanted list. probably even if it was one of those illegal chinese ships. second to that signet stuff would be the way to go but very expensive and takes more know how. if you can destory the ability for the bridge to nav they will basiclly be fucked. how to do that depends on the ship and if they have an old school back up. a well crewed ship will have something like a zodiac and back up map and shit like that they will be double checking with
>>64429831this>>64438705continueing it is possible theoretically to jam up or damage the props with some metal nets or something else that you can convince to get pulled into the stream without sinking to the bottom before it does. almost everyone in davys fleet got there from being bombed so explosives are the way to go. but again it eould be very difficult to do without getting caught and being an international criminal. you could probably take a note from hamas and use a drone boat with a fuck ton of basicly and explosives. all of this would cost alot of money and would be hard to do by yourself. if you include people chances are one of them will realize how terrible you all have been when they see the number of dead. these boats arent ready for damage to their hull you would be rolling the dice that someone will save them. if not you will have probably murdered at least a few members of the crew. whales are not worth human life and most of the people in this thread would be happy to get even on behalf of the saliors ..cunt
>>64431142Shut the fuck up, nigger. White people care for the environment. If you don't recycle you are a shitskin. If you litter you are a straight fucking nigger.
>>64433203Probably never, not only is boating fuckass expensive, piracy isn’t especially economically viable these days (unless you’re somalian).I figure most chinese fishing vessels don’t have anything of real value onboard. You probably won’t find any safe buyers for their squid and I doubt you could safely ransom the crew.If you hypothetically wanted to do it without going to jail or getting khashoggi’d by the chinks, you’d first need to make your way from whatever your home port is without being logged on AIS by either having a spare identity or turning it off without getting harassed by your local navy. Your voyage to the target ship should be fairly straightforward once you get outside of the EEZ. Once your crew has determined a suitable target, you’ll need to wait until dusk on a moonless night to begin your strike. Your crew needs to rapidly jam AIS and liquidate the target ship. Once it’s been decrewed, your guys need to either pose as the original crew or spoof the ship as something else. From there you need to get both ships back to a friendly port, again, without being interdicted by the gayvy. Once your booty is in port, it will need to be cleaned, restored, and rechristened as a new ship to be later sold. The only people I believe could actually get away with something like that would have to be either a group of suicidal boomers or an argentinian with a letter of marquis and a lot of money.
>>64438282>was embedded with a unit overseas. >leaves the chat
Not your whale pussy?Not your problem.
>>64429202>commercial whaling ships have no meaningful defences against men in speedboats carrying small armsShip mounted water cannons might outrange small arms at sea, it's pretty hard to maintain a sight window in pitched seas, more so on a planing speed boat.In any case, the whaling fleets are familiar with activists trying all sorts of shit including boarding, so they have defences of various sorts, probably including tazers and possibly including firearms even.>>64429725>buy a wetsuit, swim up to the ship at its dock and duct tape a homemade bomb to the hull.Sea Shepard has in fact done this in the past and it worked.It's obviously dangerous as hell and reprisals are likely but it would work.What you really need is to multiple the potential actors. Diversify Sea Shepard by sending out people who start local franchises of differently named and structured organisations with the same general goal of ending Whaling any way you can, noisily and threateningly and perform actual sabotage that falls short of explosives etc. Any one of them might be the actual actor but the one who did it can act as a lone wolf and then blend into the crowd, having never discussed their intent with others since recruitment, avoid incriminating forum posts and then just acted without giving anything away.It was basically what Breivik did, along with a few others.The place to look for inspiration on how to do this is Germinal by Emile Zola.It's depressing as hell but shows how sabotage can effect change.
>>64438155>Atlatl elephant safaris in Nebraska fucking when?When it's sustainable, obviously.
>>64438346>And RPG close to the water line will send the ship back to portIf they're close, otherwise they just weld a patch on and another patch on that.Bilge pumps exist for a reason anyway, an RPG isn't making a big enough hole to even stress the pumps on a ship that size. They'd get more ingress from deck drainage than from the hole from an RPG.
>>64438538>You can take them home with you. I have 8 whalesI don't want to hear about your sex life.
>>64438550>I think it would be pretty easy to use thermal to detect ships on the ocean from a long-range fixed-wing droneYou'd think wrong.Aside from weather issues in the ocean, the ocean is also notoriously large.Aerial horizons are greater granted but range on thermals is limited and well below day time visible spectrum anyway so it's not that big an advantage.
