>Multiple B-21s are undergoing ground tests and being prepared to join the two aircraft now in test flight, and the Northrop Grumman is negotiating with the Air Force about how expanded production for the bomber could be accomplished, president and CEO Kathy Warden said Oct. 21.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/multiple-b-21s-ground-test-production-increase-negotiations/What really surprised me is how efficient the parallelization of production is, I know they're building 6 more aircraft to the two that are already flying, but the way that a couple more are in simultaneous ground testing points it to be way better suited to meeting a goal of a fleet of at least 100 Raiders when funding is negotiated. These initial 8 aircraft are also built to be converted to combat spec with minimal changes after testing is complete.Also, better outlook for FA-XX production rates (I'm necking if NG loses)
Imagine this shit x100
Good news wonder why the contract is getting delayed or if the program is just moving that fast
>>64429620A lot of the complicated bits were already sorted out with the F-35 program.
Here's whats going to happen.China is going to eat shit what from all their compiling problems and the Raider is going to be cancelled with just 30-35 produced in a close repeat of the USSR fall.
>>64429729China will become more aggressive when they start regressing.
>>64429729I don't understand what problems would stop China's military spending/build-up
>>64429740>>64429933A liberalized growing middle class that doesn't want to work dangerous factory jobs for pennies is counterproductive for authoritarians that want to throw millions of people into a meatgrinder.
>>64429942So if I took a poll in China, they'd be against invading Taiwan?
>>64429740Replace that country for a certain country that is regressing in current year and you'ld be right.
>>64429959China isn't a democracy, polls don't mean anything for non democracies with social credit systems.
>>64429966>Chink public is against war with Taiwan>Chink public opinion doesn't matterMake up your mind
>>64429942They just import country hicks to do those jobs or automate
>>64429972"Official" public opinion doesn't matter yes.
>>64429983>Even China outsources laborGrim
>>64429989The Chink public wants to crush Taiwan. That's a fact
>>64429729For the sake of kino I don't want China to hit economic and demographic problems even though they already are in deep shit, just let them hold out a little longer till we can see 100 Raiders and a couple dozen Darkstars
>>64429933>real estate collapse as bad as Ireland/Spain in 2008>total debt levels much higher than in the US>decreasing population>collapsing workforce due to aging>abject birth rate>slowing economy (now projected to never catch up to the US)>dependent on energy imports>dependent on food importsTake your pick
>>64430029>real estate collapse as bad as Ireland/Spain in 2008Unrelated to military spending/build-up >total debt levels much higher than in the USTheir defense spending is less than 2% of GDP>decreasing populationTheir miliary is a tiny fraction of their total population >collapsing workforce due to aging>abject birth rateSame thing. >slowing economy (now projected to never catch up to the US)Again totally irrelevant. Their military spending is not that high. >dependent on energy importsYeah it's a weakness but why would it stop their military spending? You could argue it would make them cautious of war, but that's a different matter. >dependent on food importsSame thing
>>64430029>>64430048Copypastaing>Nearly all of their REE, EVs, renewables, batteries, steel and infrastructure projects running at subsidies deficits>The housing market has basically only been stopped from imploding because of half a trillion in bailouts and emergency monetary policies>80% of their AI and 50% of their chips investments are by the CCP vs 90% and 95% by private and FDI funding for the US AI and chipsAlso military spending is way higher than reported, even conservative economist estimates place it 40% higher than reported but most agreed number in defense circles is $400b-$450b
>>64430048implessive
>>64429959They'd support someone else's kids dying on the shores of Formosa.
>>64429729I would suck so much dick to make this come true
>>64430062>Nearly all of their REE, EVs, renewables, batteries, steel and infrastructure projects running at subsidies deficitsNothing to do with military spending. Do you read what you post? >The housing market has basically only been stopped from imploding because of half a trillion in bailouts and emergency monetary policiesAgain with the housing market lol>80% of their AI and 50% of their chips investments are by the CCP vs 90% and 95% by private and FDI funding for the US AI and chipsAI is a meme technology that as absolutely nothing to do with defense. Most military hardware runs on legacy chips>Also military spending is way higher than reported, even conservative economist estimates place it 40% higher than reported but most agreed number in defense circles is $400b-$450bSIPRI estimates $300B, your numbers are made up, and even then $400B is 2% of GDP
>>64430070No too different from Russia or the US. Yet these countries still go to war.
>>64430048>economic downturn won't result in decreased military spending>less manpower won't result in less recruitmentExplain yourself>their military spending is not that highDont tell me you believe the CCPs official figures>dependence on imports has no impactIt forces the state to invest money and effort to try and become more resilient when facing an enemy that can blockade them (see belt and road, string of pearls).That money is not spent on the military.
>>64430103You think the military operates in a vacuum to the greater economy? lmaoing @ your insistence to ignore all the other things that will take funding away from military and directly related things like steel
>>64430118>Explain yourselfShow me any demographics projection that prevents China from being able to have a 2 million sized military>Dont tell me you believe the CCPs official figuresSIPRI isn't a CCP aligned entity. Their estimate is $300B. I'm happy to see other estimates. And even then $400B-$500B isn't a large share of the GDP.>It forces the state to invest money and effort to try and become more resilient when facing an enemy that can blockade them (see belt and road, string of pearls).That money is not spent on the military.Point taken. But I'd modify what you said and frame it like this: CCP takes money away from energy imports to domestic energy production. Maybe that's more costly than importing it, fair enough. But I think in the long run, it's more cost effective to make your own energy.
>>64430122>You think the military operates in a vacuum to the greater economyI agree they're both tied. Where I don't agree, is that their military spending is large enough that they would need massive growth rates/resources to do it. Independent estimates put China's military spending at modest amounts. You know why? Because it's not about throwing money that grows the miliary. Spending beyond a certain point is not useful. China suffers from lack of skilled engineers, not their salaries
>>64430107Wars in the Middle East were unpopular in the US but they were still carried out by people who volunteered to go, and despite protests against the conflicts as a whole, there was not the Vietnam-era outrage towards individual soldiers. Russia started a conflict, prolongs it by sending mobilized masses (from outside their main cities) and imprisons anyone who speaks out. No, they are not the same. China is kind of a wildcard. Their govt. leaders speak of the inevitability of a conflict, but the population may not be so keen on it when they start seeing the casualties. By which point, it's too late to back out and so their options become: support things and hope for quick end & victory, or rebel and hope a post-CCP China doesn't collapse. Taiwan is Xi's ultimate goal but there's still some rationality left in him to realize it's far from a surefire win.
>>64430165>Taiwan is Xi's ultimate goal but there's still some rationality left in him to realize it's far from a surefire win.China isn't ready for war and they not that. Xi absolutely won't pull the trigger. Their goal is 2049 (for chink reunification). Anything before that is nonsense
>>64430165>they were still carried out by people who volunteered to goThey were also carried out by people who volunteered to go once and then got sent multiple times.
>>64430212China doesn't have a universal miliary draft. It would be physically impossible to carry it out.
>>64430220Why couldn't China do the same thing the US did and force all their retirees to unretire?
>>64430227You mean Russia? I mean it's a different type of conflict. Will they bleed as much against Taiwan like Russians do in a land war with Ukraine? I have my doubts. Also their miliary is double the size of Russia's, therefore they have more soldiers to spare. Taiwan is also much smaller than Ukraine. There a so many factors involved
>>64430239Everyone in China knows that a war with Taiwan or Japan or Worst Korea is a war with the US. They would bleed far more than Russia has in Ukraine.
>>64430048>Unrelated to military spending/build-upI stopped reading.
>>64430118>Explain yourselfChinah numbah wan
>>64430091more than the dick you suck for free?
>>64430239They don't share a land border. Please, by all means, explain to me how much luck China is going to have when they need to supply and reinforce their entire army across 100 miles of ocean. Please explain to me how they can sustain it when their opponent is going to be bombing shipyards, industrial complexes, refineries, and ports while they can't do a thing in retaliation. Those are the factors involved. China can't beat the USAF or USN, China can't strike at the US except with nukes which results in the destruction of the CCP, and China isn't the largest oil producing and refining nation in the world. The military reality is you bugs are pissing yourselves trying to find a way to convince the US to just let you take over Taiwan and it's advanced manufacturing facilities.
>>64430792>China can't beat the USAF or USNMuch less just Taiwan on it's own, at least for a couple of weeks while taking grievous losses. They've got caches of hidden missiles aimed directly at mainland infrastructure that China will have to intercept while also trying to do the logistics and IFF of a simultaneous blockade, crossing and air assault. >inb4 gorillion glorious hypersanic dongfengs and dragons of xiYeah, but all Taiwan has to do is survive, not coordinate an attack while trying not to kill your own forces. Infantry level fighting will be even worse, imagine how lopsided the defending side's advantage will be when China finds out they cannot into logistics and somehow manages to starve their troops before Taiwan does.
>>64430792The US won't go to war with China on behalf of Taiwan. They didn't do it with Ukraine, and they didn't do it with Israel. It's not politically feasible it engage in a hot conventional war with a nuclear armed military. Never happened before and won't happen in the future
>>64430852>Yeah, but all Taiwan has to do is survive, not coordinate an attack while trying not to kill your own forces. Infantry level fighting will be even worse, imagine how lopsided the defending side's advantage will be when China finds out they cannot into logistics and somehow manages to starve their troops before Taiwan does.China would simply bomb Taiwan to rubble, Israeli style
>>64430493Did the '08 bubble affect DoD spending?
America is just Russia 2.0 ko ko koing about China.
>>64431707You're right, they'll just sit back and let an openly hostile power push them out of Asia. They'll just go "well there's nothing we can do" and watch as everything west of Hawaii becomes dominated by the chinks. I'm sure that's the game plan.
>>64431711China doesn't want rubble, china wants the chip fabs and other high tech industries they haven't been able to buy.>but all the manufacturing chinaIs either low end cheap trash, or the assembly of low tech stuff from domestic production to high tech stuff made elsewhere.
>>64431740>Hawaii becomes dominated by the chinksChina won't attack the US. They'd attack Taiwan, and the US would do the same as it did with Ukraine
>>64431748China wants to break the first island chain, which is more important than fabs. Also this hypothetical conflict isn't happening in the next 10 years even, so who knows how 'valuable' their chip manufacturing would be when this happens.
I think there are a few nations in Asia that would love to help take west taiwan out if they started something.
i love B-21 Rapist. is good yes.
>>64431740The chinks are playing the long game while the US is pretty much in a constant 4-year bipolar streak. They just have to sit there and grow stronger and wait. They're not in a hurry, which is an unfathomable thing to a culture that's obsessed with quarterly profits.
It is unavoidable. Pic rel.>Taiwan's defenses must be reduced before an amphibious assault can be undertaken>China is primarily equipped to do so via the PLARF, supported by the PLAAF, PLAN, and PLANAF>these bombardments will not be instantaneousThis leaves an opening for America to do something that is very precedented - extend its A2AD umbrella over a regional interest. China has four options:>do nothingA2AD umbrella stays in place and American assets deploy to reinforce it. China refuses to engage them if they don't want to hand America a casus belli. Invasion fails or America intervenes. >attempt a blockadeUSN/USAF does the precedented thing and remotely supplies the island. Interdiction leads to the predictable escalation spiral. Invasion fails or America intervenes.>launch the assault anywayGet slaughtered in the Strait by the mostly-intact indigestible porcupine. Invasion fails.>neutralize America's nearest relevant assets before targeting TaiwanThe majority of American aircraft in the region are stored in unhardened hangars. The geography makes bases hard to conceal, and the density means most are near porous civilian population centers, so they are well mapped and intelligence is easy to come by. Further, the whole point of the PLARF is to be able to reach out and overwhelm local AD networks at these ranges, even with their older missiles - DF-16s, DF-15Cs, DF-11As, DF-12s, DF-15Bs, CJ-10s, etc. Crater Kadena's runway and destroy the hangars, hit the stockpiles and the piers. Do the same with Sasebo, Chinhae, Busan, and Kunsan and you've guaranteed yourself a couple weeks of breathing room to focus on the island, reduce its defenses, and try your amphibious assault.This is the most promising option, but it also commits the sin of touching America's boats. Uh oh.
>>64431707>>64431750>>64431821
>initial prototype(s) to start>EMD with variations and negotiations for>Serial production (by lots)It's always like that.
The period where both the b2 and b21 operates together is going to be kino
>>64431821As I see it,>neutralize America's nearest relevant assets before targeting Taiwanand all you wrote that follows is the most likely scenario, because it's the one for which they're most preparing. But,>but it also commits the sin of touching America's boatsprecedent also dictates this will have some very nasty results for China almost guaranteed, probably more so than any of the other options where they choose to proceed with action against Taiwan.
>>64429297>Crapping out B-21s>NGAD delayed till 2030s>Can’t afford to build new Sentinel silos (or make them road mobile)What the fuck America. STOP HOGGING ALL THE GLAMOR FAT BOMBER
>>64431715Yes.
>>64429321it's so absolutely over for whatever next irrelevant goat fuckers with rusty aks in the desert
>>64429740Like now? They're at the 60-70s USSR stage.
>>64432171>Zoomer slang>check age>Zoomer>re-checks pic >looks like a late gen x
>>64431711so what happens once Taiwan strikes china back?
>>64432171>irrelevant goat fuckers with rusty aks in the desertwhat a rude way to talk about people's republic of china like that
>>64431707Ukraine isn't an American ally and it would have been political suicide to send American soldiers back to the ME to participate in a genocide. The US has given and continues to give Israel far more aid than it has ever deserved, including the recent bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities. The US would absolutely defend the sovereignty of Taiwan, and if China were to declare war on the US as a result, it would go very poorly for them.
Israel has already sold the B-21 plans to China.The project is dead on arrival.
>>64429942Chinas middle class did not and will not liberalise, the idea that throwing money at authoritarian regimes will magically turn them into democracies has been thoroughly disproven at this stage, consumerism and capitalism are perfectly capable of coexisting with dictatorship and only direct, active measures can be relied upon to spread democracy
>>644302052049 is too late, xingers will be dead by thenHe's not going to just wait it out and leave the glory to someone else, in his mind all of the people who spent thier lives building China up after the revolution were ultimately doing it for him.
>>64431711Tiawan is absolutely riddled woth caves and bunkers, especially in the mountainsIt cannot be bombed into submission no matter how many bombs the chinese have
>>64431821The Pearl Harbour gambit is sound, the only risk as the Japanese learned is not getting everything. Subs will be the main one. On the flipside, America is more vulnerable this time round because the Chinese have the manufacturing advantage, so it might just be the option.
>>64432348China has the manufacturing advantage because they're allowed to have it. They do have reserves of a lot of strategic resources that the rest of the world has limited access to, but they've also got a lot of stuff they're highly reliant on imports for. Considering the EU would almost certainly provide aid to the US in the event of a Pearl Harbor attack and NATO might possibly invoke Article 5 again (although they probably learned their lesson last time), it would be as lopsided as the Pacific front in WW2.
>>64432280>constantly refuse to help finish off bbcpuccia when it's at its weakest without shedding a drop of american blood>will totally go to war with chinait's fine bombing browns as a display of power but people stop buying it after you cuck out on each and every opportunity to play ball with the big boys
>>64432396>refuse to help finish off bbcpucciathis isn't about ending china, just cucking them out of Taiwan though. they can go back to pretending chinks are a peer threat and keep pumping those MIC money right afterwards.
>>64432396>kill Russia>China hoovers up what remainsGreat job retard
>>64432348Outside of ICBMs, China has no strategic strike capabilities at any volume that would pose a danger to the US so they would have to destroy every single US asset in theater within the first 24 hours if they want to be able to force the US to just give up and not strike back because there would be no more/not enough assets from other to follow through with fighting after a strategic strike on China. Hard task given the pivot to distributed operations of the US.
>>64432396>some women still don't understand that, at this stage, you cannot eliminate one without doing the other very aggressively dirty at the same time, at barest minimumI'm honestly tired of pretending Euros aren't mostly feminized adult children.
>>64431707Ukraine didn’t build our Chips before the war
>>64432396Retard, trump wants Russia as a an economic partner and is trying to do a Dino soviet split part 2
>>64432408>chinks are totally not as subhuman as russians and xi totally not a delusional boomer like putin and would never fall for the same sunk-cost fallacy>and we'd definitely put boots on ground for slant-eyes/chips even if we didn't do it for europe and whites and barely do the minimum>>64432727>inherit soviet scraps left, integrate and have to manage an even more multicultural, dysgenic, balkanized mutt empiretotally a threat, i'm shivering just thinking of this future homo bricsoidus>>64433079>if you kill your enemies... they winoozing testosterone, king>>64433376yes bro, just two more resets bro, it'll totally work this time, bro, it's 7D chess, just trust the plan
>>64434264>inherit soviet scraps left, integrate and have to manage an even more multicultural, dysgenic, balkanized mutt empireYou think it's about the ziggers? It's about the resources. The chinks have poisoned half their groundwater in their bid to become the world's sweatshop, what they'd do if they had the push to get the water from lake Baikal. Don't forget the oil too, chinks import 80% of their oil and will happily take over oilfields.
>>64434264>if you kill your enemies... they winThe feminized mind is also predisposed to gross oversimplification of complex and/or complicated matters on moral/emotive grounds.
>>64429942>liberalized>growing middle classHa, right. The only reason they got anywhere was because xenophiles and jews in the west actively buoyed them up to the detriment of white countries. Not only did Xi burn all that good will China in general has managed to replicate all the conditions which fucked up Japan in the 80s despite having Japan as an example of why its a bad idea to massively inflate a property market.>>64429740Firstly without non-whites the US would have had a trillion dollar budget surplus every year for the last forty years. Secondly if the US had significant problems it starts a genocidal civil war and the winner will mostly likely be a genocidal white nationalist empire. Why do you think libtards and jews constantly try to stop civil war at all costs? Always remember the primary objective of all western politics is to prevent white nationalism because they know it is the end of their system.>>64434564>poisoned half their groundwaterThat's "poisoned" by chink standards, half is unfit by their own standards for any use including industrial. 90% is now non-potable. This isn't even commie shit just chinks chinking. Apparently thousands of individuals and corporations saw all disused water wells and said "hey that's a where I can pump industrial effluent I don't want to pay to dispose of properly". I could totally understand commies pumping toxic waste into old gas wells as an alternative to ordinary water flooding to stimulate production in producing wells and toxic fumes getting in the gas and making people sick. That's normal commie "it seemed like a good idea at the time but after we fucked up nobody wanted to get gulaged so we hid it for forty years" shit. But these chinks dumped toxic waste into fucking water wells and said "not my problem, lol". Fucking slants man I swear.
>>64431707If the USA doesn't, Japan and SK will start assembling nukes immediately and the entire situation gets very volatile. Also the USN doesn't even need to venture into the A2D2 umbrella to just cut the choke points and tap China out. Whole thing is going to be much less dramatic than people are expecting even if it does happen
>>64431821Yeah I mean they can at a stretch blast the USAF out of the theater and probably will try to, but even if that somehow succeeds there is zero chance of that working against TF77 or 7th Flt in general, and the USAF could still contribute in a more limited way with deep strike/ long duration raids from outside the umbrella
>>64436602>to just cut the choke points and tap China out.Too many people think a US/China war would just be dance of the vampires 24/7 until one side gives up when the burgers could just sit outside the range of China's Implessive missile range and blocade the shit out of them
>>64436602That anon has never heard of strategic ambiguity which is strange considering the flowery beat around the bush bullshit culture of China
>>64436578I don't disbelieve you, but I'ma need sources on that because I find it fascinating (me brother works in engineering water purification sales, you guys would not believe the waste water industry in general)
>>64429297And did your magical expensive toys help you win in 'nam and Afghanistan, little usa?
>>64437695
>>64437695Did your rusty AK stop the bombing, sweetie?
>>64430029>>total debt levels much higher than in the USTotal public and private US debt is now at over 700% of US GDP closing in on 800%. I doubt your statement because its impossible to be taller than the tallest.
>>64437826>Unironically using CEICdata as a source Every other source says China's combined debt is 330% and the US' is 250%. Also guess who's country has reserve currency status?
>>64437739and a rapist
>>64437695Unironically yes. What didn't help, however, was that they couldn't be used to their full potential a la iraq
>>64437826Lol where'd you pull that from? Combined public debt with private, added the maximum estimate for 75 year unfunded liability metric on top using current or some past or some variant of past pre inflation pegged gdp metric?Nobody believes China's numbers you know and its functionally impossible for even their own best effort to make an accurate figure.
