>Ukraine and Sweden signed a declaration of intent to purchase Gripen E fighter jets for the Ukrainian Air Forces>Ukraine wants to buy and receive 120-150 jets in the next 10-15 years
Gripen bros... We won!
Im too demoralized to feel much about this. Aid has been slow, some promises of aid are yet to be delivered on, Tangerine Tard is in a constant bait n switch mode, every time something big is about to happen somebody just says "no" and everything stalls out.I can only take so much. Those Gripens will never come. Tho one can fucking dream.
>>64429737This post made me demoralized and agree that Russia is unstoppable and very strong.
>>64429737>John Oblasting this early.
>>64429695The Gripen is perfect for them, designed to opperate from roads and hide in bushes.>>64429737The US isn't involved, the retard in cheif has no say.Link for those interested because OP sucks.https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraines-zelenskiy-visit-sweden-wednesday-defence-talks-2025-10-22/
>>64429737Sweden isn’t America. Donny being an indecisive old man isn’t going to affect Gripen.
>Ukraine expects to receive its first Gripens in 2026
>>64429780That means "in 2 to 14 months">just 2 months for 2026
>>64429737I'm tired, boss. I want a real aid package where the West isn't trolling but actually trying to fight a war
>>64429780They'll probably get a couple of C/D frames as a begining
>>64429695>120-150 jets in the next 10-15 yearsThis means they can only lose ~10/yr.
>>64429737Sweden has been supporting Ukraine from day 1, way above its expectations. Probably Ukraine's biggest supporter per GDP capita.
>engine: Pratt & WhitneyState Dept is going to say no...
>>64429830>Probably Ukraine's biggest supporter per GDP capitaEstonia takes that crown by a mile, they have a tiny GDP and gave away a shitload of soviet kit.
>>64429695500 Taurus would be better.
>>64429834That would speed run the EJ200 variant (that has more growth potential than the current F414).
>>64429834>>64429846That would also insure no plane outside the US ever uses a US engine again.
>>64429834Even Orange Tard knows better than that.
>>64429737Aid will continue until Russia ceases.
>>64429737Zelensky just praised Trump's proposal to stop the fight at the current frontlineIt's over for Ukraine
>>64430243+2 rupee
>>64430243Remember that Zelensky can back Trump’s plan all he wants because Putin wants Ukrainian withdrawal from the “””annexed””” territories as the minimum first step towards peace, not a cease fire in place. Yes, including Zaporizhia and Kherson.
The revenge of Carolus Rex
>>64430243>Zelensky just praised Trump's proposal to stop the fight at the current frontline...Because Zelensky knows perfectly well that Putin will never accept it.The truth is that neither side actually wants to end the war to end at the moment, especially right now when the tempo slows down as both sides bunker down for the winter.
Watch orange man ban selling engines just to please monkeUkraine's Gripen will be a single engine Rafale/Yurofighter
>>64430285Yeah, Ukraine wants a peace that will last and Snowgeria wants prestige. These can't be achived together.
>>64429854I think he hasn't realized yet he can ban engine exports. Once he does, he will threaten to do it for sure.
It took a while but it's finally happening. Gripen worldwide domination!>inb4 this is just political bait from zelensky to piss trump off after the latest talks ended badly to make trump friendly to him again so he can buy 500 F-16's instead
>>64429755>The US isn't involvedDo we still make the engine? Even brapzillian Gripens used our engine with everything else more localized.
>>64429695>in the next 10-15 yearsWow it's fucking nothing
>>64429695This would be a pretty serious increase in production, seeing how Sweden and Brazil have a total of 12 Gripen Es delivered over the past 3-5 years.
>>64430423They could just licence it to be built in Ukraine I suppose. Ukrainians are very talented aircraft builders.
>>64430428How many fighters have been built in Ukraine in the past 30 years? Institutional knowledge and expertise are a very real thing and the reason countries like Japan and France are comfortable stretching out production and paying more per unit.
Didn't Ukraine also want to buy 1000 CV90's? >sure sven we will buy 1 million of your jets later if you keep supporting us now hehe>how will we pay? >don't worry about it
>>64430434If Brazilians can be trained to build Gripens then Ukrainians will be no problem.
>>64430444>how will we pay?Frozen Russian assets
>>64430428Ukraine wanted to buy Gripens for years; there were talks about localization during the presidency of pro-russian president Yanukovich
>>64430448>10 aircraft delivered since production started in 2019
>>64430472those 10 gripens could conquer all of south america though
APOLOGIZE TO SAAB!!! RIGHT NOW!!
>YOOKRAINE WILL NEVER GET THOSE BIG AND BEAUTIFUL PRATT AND WHITNEY ENGINES>WHICH ARE MADE IN AMERICA BY THE WAY>THEY HAVE TO STOP THE KILLING, FREEZE THE BATTLELINES AND GO HOME>OR ELSE HE'LL BE DESTROYED BY PUTIN>THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
>>64429695I’m sorry Gripenfag
>>64430527It just a matter of time for a twitt that retarded.
my parents called me a retard and my dad looked like he wanted to punch me when i told them i used almost all of my inheritance from grandpa to invest in euro defense companies a week after it became clear that ukraine wasn't going to fall now im richer than both my mom and dad combined lolits still not too late to invest in Saab bros
>>64430568Son, if you're up 2000% it's time to diversifyDefence will continue to be a great investment, but don't stay all in on one region long term
>>64429737They say these planes will come in next 10-15 yearsCybermonke and his necron army would reach Keev around 2126
>>64430318Deals have already been signed. If he bans now, he effectively kills US arms exports entirely, because nobody buys from people who take the money and then refuse delivery.Also, worst case that just means they go back to the RM12, and probably pour in the money to develop a F414 competitor from that.
>>64430639>still slower than the snail even with the revised numbers
>>64430697man
I'm confused. Didn't SAAB JUST deliver the first -E a couple of days ago? Isn't Sweden already expecting to replace a bunch of their older models with -Es? How are they going to go from making ~10 gripens per year to doubling or tripling that to meet the demand of just Sweden and Ukraine?
>>64430744I think there were news of Sweden investing big time in SAAB in 2022 or 23, not sure. This isn't a spontaneous decision.
>>64430697but has the snail made any declarations toward the status of Berlin yet?
>>64430744They're testing the -E but it's still in development, Saab is upgrading the C/D too.
>>64429737cunt>>64429749>>John Oblasting this early.This ^MeanwhileOn the night of October 22, drones attacked the Saransk Mechanical Plant in Mordovia, Russia, which produces, among other things, explosives, and an oil refinery in Makhachkala (Dagestan). The Defense Forces also struck the Bryansk Chemical Plant. Russian losses last 24 hours and totals22.10.2025Tanks — 11280 (+2)Armored fighting vehicle — 23447 (+11)Artillery systems — 33914 (+12)MLRS — 1524Anti-aircraft warfare — 1229Planes — 428Helicopters — 346UAV — 72760 (+160)Cruise missiles — 3864Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 65122 (+96)Special equipment — 3981 (+1)Military personnel — aprx. 1133250 people (+1050)Russia is fucked. Looking forward to Ukranian jets over Moscow before Russian collapseSlava Ukraini!Death to the occupier!
why havent we gven the ukrops f-16s yet? seems like an easy sale
Of other news A Russian draftee fought back against his treatment at a training base and shot two Ziggers dead and woulded several more. Meanwhile Russians forces surrounded in pockets are starving to death at the front.
>>64430744Massive expansion of SAAB, which has been started ca. summer 2022.
>>64430803They get them from the Europeans alonng with training and they used them to ream the Russian offensive force on their south eastern flank with JDAMs
>>64430807Plus off-loading the Brazilian orders after the Embraer-Saab production line opened in 2023
I'm sorry, SAAB Sales Team!
That's around 10 jets a year, which in a war of attrition means nothing unless Ukraine gets a bunch at first. The way the war is going means that the only way to make a breakthrough is throwing stupid amounts of gear at a point before the other side can shift men around.
>>64430868>The way the war is going means thatRussia has lost
>>64430868Given Ukraines loss rates in this war of attrition, 10 jets a year means the Ukrainian Air Force growing in strength.And the way the war is going, Russia will lose through economical and military exhaustion, regardless of wether Ukraine makes any breakthroughs.
>>64430881The EU is about to throw Ukraine 140 Billion backed by seized Russian funds and this is the interesting thing, to be lster paid back by Ukraine from Russian reparation payments. Thats Ukraine fully funded for another two years of maximum TZD and a vision of what the outcome is going to be. Trumps nobel prize was Putins best last chance and he blew it. Meanwhile orbans popularity in Hungary meas the only way he can stay in power after the 2026 elections is a full blown coup and a dictators hat.https://www.dw.com/en/hungarys-orban-slumps-in-polls-6-months-before-election/video-74457382Moscow = Berlin November 1944It's all crumbling away for the kgb
>>64430876>>64430881Do we want a swift victory or not? Seems like when Europe trickles gear its a good thing but if a non European does so its a betrayal.
>>64430243>Trump's proposal to stop the fight at the current frontlineWhich in itself was proposed by France, Germany, Britain, Poland and Ukraine as the basis for the ceasefire back in May. Trump is trying to pass off something Europe and Ukraine had agreed on as his own idea.
>>64430920Europe is actually delivering the ammunition needed to keep the front line, meeting (or exceeding) the production goals, and Ukrainians relies on the EU for a lot of maintenance and importing dual purpose products. Delivering without politicizing the situation and creating an incoherent show that only harms people. And that is important because that avoids giving leverage to people that should not have leverage on the situation.
>>64430920We want Russia disarmed so the peace is lasting any peace without the compleet destruction of Russian military stockpiles of heavy weapons and munititions and the end of the KGB is just a pause. Given that a large percentage will wind up abandoned in Ukraine anyway, that could come fast or slow but the end is the same for Russia. Even North Korea is getting serious amounts of its artillery arsenal depleted at this stage.
>>64430941Good post. Rusisan quislings have a grim future over the next five years in the EU and UK and there are plenty of them.
The goal was the rebirth of the USSRThe result is the death of kgb run Russia and it's massive conventional soviet arsenal and the wecomed expansion of the EU and NATO.Utter strategic failure. Putins legacy is aject failure. Twilight coming for the Potato dictator and transnistia as well.Russian nuclear disarmament under EU supervision should be a condition of food aid this time.
>>64430981>Russian nuclear disarmament under EU supervision should be a condition of food aid this time.Please
>>64430988About time the poisionous legacy of the kgb was cleaned up it is a rotting mess anyway
>>64430912>>64430951>Orban>losingAs if Trump is going to let that happen. He's gonna send Vance to shill for Orban or even go to Hungary himself to help out his buddy. Not to mention Elon is absolutely going to blow gorillions on supporting Orban's campaign.
>>64431000they'd better get started then because Peter Magyar is way ahead right now abd he's no kremlin fanboy like orban. Junkie Musk has the credibility of a street beggar in Europe and less than 5% of Hungarians have a twitter account.
>>64431000>Vance to shill for OrbanThat would basically assure Orban would loose. Do it.
>>64430808they've given like 30-40 total aircraft.
>>64431022what are peter mayar's opinions on keeping immigration nonexistent and closing the border?
>>64430794>Back over 1k personnel losses a dayWhat's happened? Russia pushing hard again?
>>64431100they are fighting around pokrovsk (still, after two+ years)
>>64430941I think that's one reason why TACO has seemed more hawkish recently, America has lost a LOT of leverage over Ukraine and Europe generally, so he has to scale back how he acts and what he demands, because he's starting to realize he can't just force Euros to do things anymore.It's a good sign. Europe finding it's strength and beginning to flex it's muscles. Imagine how turdies will feel if a multi-polar world did come about, but the two poles are Europe and America and they broadly want the same things (to make money and not be fucked with by psycho oriental despots).
>>64431123If TDS makes Europe a reliable military partner again I'm all for it.
>>64431100Far worse yesterday when the tallies for a relief force that tried to break though to one of the areas of surrounded Russians.got added21.10.2025Tanks — 11278 (+8)Armored fighting vehicle — 23436 (+37)Artillery systems — 33902 (+23)MLRS — 1524Anti-aircraft warfare — 1229Planes — 428Helicopters — 346UAV — 72600 (+235)Cruise missiles — 3864Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 65026 (+134)Special equipment — 3980Military personnel — aprx. 1132200 people (+1130)21.10.2025Tanks — 11278 (+8)Armored fighting vehicle — 23436 (+37)Artillery systems — 33902 (+23)MLRS — 1524Anti-aircraft warfare — 1229Planes — 428Helicopters — 346UAV — 72600 (+235)Cruise missiles — 3864Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 65026 (+134)Special equipment — 3980Military personnel — aprx. 1132200 people (+1130)
>>64431123>the two poles are Europe and AmericaAlways were and always will be Everything else is just imitatinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO5HU_7_1w
>>64430794"heh, did you see that guy who was clearly a pro Russian shill? Anyway, here's UK MOD casualty figures"*Everyone nods solemnly*This place, man....
>>64429780bro forgot its october in 20252010 was 29 years ago dude
>>64431179Twist off or we cut your food aid and starve you to death. See if watching kremlin lies on the hindustani times youtube channel or russia Today fills your villages stomachs as well as European beef and American wheat when the hunger pangs start. Learn your fucking place, you earned it.
>>64431179>Vatnik>Obsessed with the bongs, screeches about them out of nowhere Every time. Why?
>10-12 planes a year for an airframe that has had 11 delivered in 6lmao
>>64431123>The day before Z day Monke went to an Orthodox mystic for advice on the invasion>"if you go through with it you shall create a great empire">Banan
>>64431230https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3C3hZxSukQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7Vsj9qoV8https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oF17QJR1AGkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_9-Efjrh0chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqeF5wkaoaAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcyqZKqaxUghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE
>Great patriotic war lasted from 22nd June 1941 to 9th May 1945, just shy of 4 years>Putin's invasion of Ukraine will soon last longer than that
>>64431307But they started WW2 as Hitlers allies by treaty in their joint military operation in Poland>>64431307>22nd June 1941 to 9th May 1945Ah yes. They live in a psychotic bubble run by the kremlin, Pic Nazi-Soviet parade Brest-Livosk Poland 1939.
>>64431257LOL
>>64429695>declaration of intent = I promise to promiseI don't think Ukraine is long for this world...
>>64429780>>64429788>>64431191we measure time in russian casualtiesso what they meant is Ukraine will receive its first Gripens in 60,000 to 420,000 Russian casualties
>>64429695> Ai poweredThis thing runs Adobe Illustrator?
>>64431346>I don't think Ukraine is long for this world...You also think WW2 started in 1941 and that Russia is a great powah, stalin was a scientific genius, briney spears is a virgin and Putin never mudered no one.. Sorry if I pass one your take on Russias disasterous and suicidal military and economic epic blunders for the last three years
>>64431346>I don't thinkCorrect
>>64431329Actually the real WW started long time ago with Yaroslav the Wise.
>>64431257>"if you attack Ukraine, then parts of Russia will become bigger">"OOOKKKK!">*size of cementaries in Russia get significantly larger*
>>64430920Personally, I've always taken the whole "trickling" thing to be a mixture of zigger lies, people udnerestimating the amount of stuff provided and people not understanding that you can't just flip a switch and immediately reverse decades of neglected in military industrial investments.>>64431000What exactly is Trump supposed to do about it?>send VanceThat's not gonna do shit.>go to Hungary himselfNot gonna do shit, either.>muh gorillionsLack of campaign funds isn't why Orban is in deep shit, either.
>>64429695>10-15 yearsThey wont even exist by then
>>64431405Putin says 1941 and don't knowe nuffin about no Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or no secret agreement to invade Poland with Hitler, or nuffin about invading poland with hitler. Stalin was just a promising high school atheite who lived his mother and liked to go jogging and invased poland by accident and 1939 as everyone knows did not exist.Pic 'Victory day' held by Russian and Nazi Tropps together Poland 1939Pic German officers Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian (centre) and Soviet Kombrig Semyon Krivoshein (right) standing on the platformhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-jhDNeIi7cStalin was never Hitlers ally and never dun nuffin.
>>64431468Two more weeks
>>64431490>Pic>German officers Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian (centre) and Soviet Kombrig Semyon Krivoshein (right) standing on the platform>>64431490>'Victory day' held by Russian and Nazi Tropps together Poland 1939
>>64430405You can be replaced, and let's be honest at this rate there isn't going to be jackshit lobby money for Vance 2028 if you keep trying to fuck around with big corpos.
Expect a ton of slide threads when the cum/chug/gers wake up. This plus Trump calling off the budapest summit and another oil refinery being hit 1K inside russia today.
>>64431511isn't /chug/ just mostly bots, indians and MIGApedes?
>>64430434Nigga a major chunk of soviet aircraft tech was khokhol-dependant, there is a reason why Antonov is a thing and Russia is the almost literal equivalent of a Battletech Succession Wars state right up to no longer being capable to build fucking big spaceships and having to scavenge decades old systems and platforms, they were industrially and scientifically lobotomized due the Fall, with most of their faustian humanity lost while nowadays ukkies get access to western, or at least western european, tech.
>>64431521A couple of years ago I worked with a chugger here in the US. I wonder how he feels right now.
>>64431521>>64431565Why do conservative Americans now worship Russia when a couple decades ago they wanted to destroy it?
>>64431346It's longer for this world than Russia, the way things are going.
>>64430639Oh, that explains why russian women look like they are wearing someone else skin.
>>64431000I wonder if it's working for Milei...
>>64431100Something something Kupiansk and then Kyiv or something.
>>64431557So, how many have they built in the past 30 years? I can't help but notice you didn't answer the question.
>>64431572They bought the russian propaganda that they are the saviors of western civilization and values when they're actually the opposite. In short they're fucking retarded.
>>64431610Don't know, but probably more than armatas :P
>>64431572>conservative/pol/fag groypers aren't conservatives, no matter how much they pretend to be. conservatives are moderate normies like liberals, groypers are NOT moderates.
>>64431610Not him.Ukraine didn't have OKB for fighters in their territory to start with, and they didn't adapt Antonov for that. Ukraine has been maintaining or downsizing their air force for obvious reasons: no money. Production of new aircraft? mostly for exports before Antonov and Ukraine were so isolated to export even.The main contribution of Ukraine were/are engines, from rocket, marine gas turbines, helicopter turbo shafts to medium thrust turbofans. Being isolated is also killing that side, especially because they can't do joint ventures like in the 1990s.
>>64431521it's glavset turdies and tankies
>>64431699>especially because they can't do joint ventures Well that's changed pretty radically lately.
>>64431767Not really, what engine or component of engine are their producing or improving for another country? 15 years ago they were cooperating with a few companies from Russia (unstable cooperation) and China (stable). Motor Sich at least can sell medium thrust turbofan to European countries and Turkey.Same with airplanes. Nowadays Antonov is producing drones (Lyiuty) but as a company it's essentially dead, even if it fits ok with Airbus because they made medium size regional designs and a few giant fleet planes. They are capable but they need to start from scratch in multiple areas.
>>64431786Dude, their entire MIC is effectively integrating with those of Europe right now. Like, the list of things they DON'T have a joint venture or five going for right now is shorter than the list of stuff they do.
>>64431800The ordnance and associated systems is doing far better than their traditional aerospace companies.
>>64431123My favourite piece of news regarding that recently is that the freakin' Bundeswehr out of all of them just reported that they are up 15% in volunteers compared to last year.
>>64431134TDS ensures that Europe will never trust America ever again even with a new president.Orange Man nuked foreign relations and set them back for DECADES.
>>64430938>France, Germany, Britain, Poland and Ukraine in MayYou realize Trump was elected back in Nov of last year right? And he took office few months later right? That "idea" from "those" countries might as well be worth less than the piece of paper its written on.
>>64430243>Zelensky just praised Trump for returning to the proposal of an unconditional ceasefire >which Zelensky was asking for in March>which Trump, then, abandoned and dismissed>and now Trump has returned to supportingwhoa
>>64429695Will Ukraine have a bigger functional air force than Russia now?
>>64431865No but they'll have more fighters with an RCS below 1.0 m2 (the Gripen E and Su-57 have similar claimed RCS)
>>64431868>su57Vaporware. There's already been gripen e deliveries to sweden and brazil so they can actually build them
>>64431968>Brazil has more sub-1.0m2 fighters in service in current year.Why didn't I think that before?, kek.
>>64431834What does his election date have to do with him trying to steal a proposal made by others?>That "idea" from "those" countries might as well be worth less than the piece of paper its written on.Projection?
>>64431353that's right, thrust vectoring confirmed
>>64431239lol i meant to say UKR MOD, sorryi'm half bong anyway so I'm allowed to seethe at bongs
>>64431230Anger levels: |---------------------------X-|
>>64432185Projecting much, thirdie?
>>64431856Trump has himself no clue what he actually wants. He's so clueless and arrogant.
>>64429848>That would also insure no plane outside the US ever uses a US engine again.The US state department has already denied export licenses for both Viggen and Gripen C because of american subcomponents. SAAB still uses US engines.
>>64430682>Also, worst case that just means they go back to the RM12, and probably pour in the money to develop a F414 competitor from that.The RM12 is a GE 404. So its not workable, still under ITAR rules. Sweden cannot make bootleg copies of 404/414 because Sweden cannot make the turbine blades.
>>64429737Coolboy McJimmy here from Tekhsas oblast. I too have been demoralized by the current issue in Washington Duma. Let us stops wasting our times on poking the Russian bear. We have many problem, poors have not enough cabbage nor burgersteak and we have not enough oils to heat xomes in this brutal Floridya winters. Rodeo cowboy tootin by it.
>>64430285They both want to end the war, Russia wants to be given land they don't control and Ukraine wants to retain land currently under Russian control.Ukraine also wants a security guarantee which is understandable because Russia has invaded them twice in the last 11 years.
>>64432818trump offered all of donestk to putin in exchange for a ceasfire, he refused it, monkey wants regime change and will never back down
>>64429695I'm going to guess that this is some pressured repayment for aid because this does not seem to be what Ukraine needs either in this war or for post-war defense.A small/poor country spending its very limited military budget on high-tech fighters is exactly what any larger invader would want. Even completely unopposed the amount of ordinance they can haul to a target is dwarfed by a few artillery pieces. If the enemy is willing to take a few losses they can literally just ignore 1 jet per 10 KM of front.Since air defense is cheaper than jets, the need to conduct SEAD puts their enemy ahead.Jets require an expensive and fragile supply chain to maintain any sort of capability. Note that nobody says, "In a zombie apocalypse the weapon I'd want most is a F-14 Tomcat." While flying at Mach 2.3 while salvo-firing 6 Phoenix might be fun, you're going to run into a slight issue after a few minutes when your fuel runs out and you need to land, rearm, refuel, and perform maintenance. Jets need a massive defense in your rear area to protect a hugely expensive, delicate investment with minimal effectiveness. All of your eggs are in one basket and the eggs aren't even very good unless you have overwhelming superiority and can use them to dunk on your opponent. Your enemy can just human wave their way across your country and take selfies next to the captured aircraft if you haven't spent enough on a ground army to stop them.This is 150 jets at the expense of tens of billions of dollars of something else.
>>64432843
>>64430444That was just a floated idea, not an agreementThat said, they've been ordering a couple hundred or so already
>>64429695ITS A GREAT DEAL!!ukraine doesn't have 10 billion dollars, but the swedes don't have 150 jets, so they're even
>>64431490Dude it was a joke. Chill lmao. We all know about Russian revisionism when it comes to history since Russia is never the aggressor and can do no wrong.
>>64432925We’re lucky that Russia gracefully left a couple hundred billion dollars just lying around in western banks. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind their Ukrainian brothers borrowing a few bucks to buy some jets
>>64432937If Ukraine had the russian money drop into their bank account there would be so many things to better spend 10b on than a bunch of gripens...
new zigger cope just dropped
>>64432818Putin doesn't want land. He wants Ukraine under Russian/proxy control or ungovernable
>>64432971
>>64432950Like what?And don’t forget shit doesn’t materialise out of thin air, no matter how much money you have. So even if hypothetically they’d really like to just get 150bils worth of SPG and artillery shells, there just isn’t that much for available for sale
>>64431239Tricked by a pirate into having less ass in ass and build navy wrong as a oke, pls understand
>>64432983>SMO posting in oct 2025Jesus this has to be a shill script, I can't accept some people are this stupid.
>>64432983They did declare war but everyone forgot about that.https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/why-russia-has-only-now-declared-war-ukraine
>>64431521And lot's of lefty/pol/ trannies. Small wonder they have 5 paiges of rules.
>>64432861What, you don't think the US invasion plan of Indonesia looks like: "First, we take out their entire fucking Air Force"?They're spending tens of billions of dollars on an easy target which wouldn't provide them much defense on its best day and will provide no defense whatsoever on day 2 of the war when they're all burning wrecks on the tarmac.You buy 150 Gripens. I buy 150 Iron Dome batteries for the same cost. Guess who wins?You're spending $50,000 an hour of flight time and millions a year on support staff that I can put into Tamir rockets.My defensive capability is 100 times yours and your offensive capability is neutralized.
>>64431511The final red line has been crossed
>>64431572A lot of them are genuine paid influencers
>>64433017The plan looks like that, just like the Russian plan said to wipe out Ukraine's air force on day one.
>>64432671To me at least it seems pretty clear he's just bouncing between what he thinks is a quick way to get a win out of the situation. It worked (so far) for Gaza because Israel did something obscenely brazen with the strike in Qatar that gave the US a lot of immediate leverage, because a very reasonable response to that could well be 'we will stop selling you bombs if you're going to use them to bomb our other allies' for instance.Ukraine is harder. Russia's backed itself into a corner so bad it'd rather keep throwing men into a meatgrinder by the tens of thousands rather than admit they fucked up and move to settle, and for every additional body that falls there's more pressure to deliver something they can spin as a win.Ukraine meanwhile is in a defensive war for their own independence and territory, with not just significant support other than the US but significant pressure not to concede and potentially be the first time the post-WW2 norm of 'we don't conquer territory to redraw maps anymore' is shattered on such a scale.First thing he tried was the 'logical' first step of squeezing the smaller country that they have more levers to pull with. After that didn't work and the tard wranglers broke down the door to the oval office the new approach was to try and sweet-talk Putin and do all that business stuff he thinks he's great at. Didn't work either. I think the most recent play was to try and force Russia to the table by putting new assets on the table for Ukraine but we saw how that just fell through.It's not a coherent strategy so much as it is a series of attempted quick fixes. You see the same thing with some of the rapidly fluctuating tariffs or the B2 strike on Iran.
>>64433032>insane Europe
>>64433017Gripen maintenance is less than 9kGripen can hit air, land, and sea — the other just air>the rest of the Iron Dome system is free actually>this jet vs AA battery lab condition scenario will totally happen>jets are easy targets, but fixed SAM sites aren't
>>64433017>planes>easy targetsYou’re retarded m8.By their nature, planes are the exact opposite of an easy target. Only outclassed by submarines.
>>64433017>You buy 150 Gripens. I buy 150 Iron Dome batteries for the same cost. Guess who wins?Gripens considering it can carry weapons that far outrange yours?
>>64433032>Their talkative peacemaker has now fully embarked on the warpathRude, dude's trying to turn over a new leaf and people keep shoving him back into that box.
>>64430448>If Brazilians can be trained to build GripensBrazil has like the third largest aerospace industry in the world after the US & EU.
>>64433084impressaõ
>>64431468European unification isn't going to come that quickly. Even Euro adoption by Sweden is still a long way.
>>64433153when putins syphilis degraded brain decides to attack lithuania then the EU federalisation project will start to move quickly
>>64429695>120-150 jets in the next 10-15 yearshow doable is this for Sweden? Unless they're also setting up production in Ukraine.
>>64430277I say do it. Then in the meantime, the west pours resources into setting Ukraine up to be a military industrial hub where they arm to the fucking teeth in not only conventional hardware, but also a shot in the arm for autonomous tech and start funneling in resources to develop their cyber warfare.Then institutionalize a culture of pure fucking hate for Russia for taking their territory and you have a country that doesn't need to be in NATO and will gladly do anything if it means fucking Russia for the next 100 years.
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>>64431468You mean the so-called Russia?
>>64432698>The RM12 is a GE 404. Incorrect. It was originally based on it, but extensively changed to the point of being de facto a different engine alltogether. >Sweden cannot make bootleg copies of 404/414 because Sweden cannot make the turbine blades.Also incorrect. The RM12 was made entirely domestically, including the turbine blades.
>>64432925>ukraine doesn't have 10 billion dollarsThey do, though. It's coming right out of Russias frozen assets.
>>64432984No but that stuff can fuel a lot of production increase given its like 3 national budgets
>>64433017>You buy 150 Gripens. I buy 150 Iron Dome batteries for the same cost. Guess who wins?The Gripens. You run out of interceptors before they run out of cheap munitions they force you to waste them on.
>>64433863Sure, but if their budget is 150 billion, then dropping 10bill on some jets still leaves 140 for all the other shit.
>>64433080>people keep shovingRussians aren't people.
>>64429695lol, with what money?
>>64434038Yours, Ivan
>>64431521It's more of a mixture of carefully groomed schizos and losers, who have no other community and their handlers make sure they will fit in no other place through conditioning and training certain reactions by them.
Does Sweden have an arsenal of their own missiles and bombs?Do they have an active stockpile for their Gripens?
>>64433032>it allows us to strike at all of Bandera's hiding places with a variety of weaponsHe's still alive???
>>64433045It's just an endless series of bluffs and now his enemies and allies know it. He's lost all power in this conflict because neither EU/Ukraine or Russia trust or like him. He's locked. He can't let go of Ukraine because that would mean the end of NATO and he seemingly doesn't want Russia's ire either due to China relations. Everyone knows Trump has no cards to play unless it either wants to push Russia further to China or EU further away from NATO.
>>64434420He's referring to Bandera's post-death reincarnation, Boris Johnson.
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>>64432671>no clue what he actually wants.He wants to raid the coffers of the US treasury and have people suck him off in public. It's not that hard to figure out.
>>64434051but enough about Russia
>>64429759>Donny being an indecisive old man isn’t going to affect Gripen.US controls the engines and plenty of other shit in Gripen when it comes to export permits.
>>64434766Europe now pays for all American weapons going to Ukraine and Gripen E won't solely decide the war for Ukraine, the orange will probably allow it
>>64434766SAAB chose the F414 because they had previous experience with GE and they had no pressing reasons to chose an European engine like the EJ200 that is more expensive.If the US gives them a reason the price difference of the EJ200 (it was ~30% more expensive) would be meaningless and current Germans actually care about producing weapons to be used, besides the fact the EJ200 has the same airflow and similar weight (lighter) and thrust that makes the change seamless.
>>64429737How do they always manage to be the first or second post?
>>64434812Mate, war fatigue is a real thing—not just some pro-Russian psyop. Regular people and genuine Ukraine supporters feel it too. With all the BS around aid—Germany stalling on Taurus, Switzerland blocking ammo, Agent Orange cockblocking TZD, EU tards like Orbán and Fico vetoing packages—you’ve got to shield your psyche from the inevitable disappointment.Also don't forget that Sweden was yelling at Thailand to not use their Gripens for strikes into Kambodia—even tho the strikes were against military assets.
>>64436747I have russia fatigue, not war fatigue.
WHY WOULD THEY NOT BUY SU-30MKIs FROM INDIA?THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE GRIPEN AND WOULD HAVE PARTS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE FLANKERS THEY ALREADY HABE.
>>64436748>I have russia fatigueIsnt that just HIV?
>>64436792India has no replacement plus is friendly to Russia.
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>>64432056kek
>>64434047based
>>64436747>Sweden was yelling at Thailand to not use their Gripens for strikes into KambodiaFUD
>>64430405It uses an American engine, yes. I know SAAB used to build their own version with a license, but that was an older variant.That said, the engine is as complex as the rest of the plane and the US can withhold their engines at any time, as they did for Turkey recently.>>64430744They did not that's just testing.>>64430803Because entry level training takes a year and setting up the infrastructure more than that even when you aren't getting bombed daily. The Grippen is interesting in that it's designed to use roads but the tradeoff is that the performance metrics are shit. Their specialized electronics were interesting 10 years ago but now it's just whatever.>>64436792Of all the things in this thread this is the most retarded one. Every time someone says there is no such thing as a stupid question, point at this retard right here.BECAUSE THEY ARE USING THEM YOU RETARD. And they can't purpose build new ones for Ukraine because it's a Russian import that the Indians only assemble along with various components sourced from France, Israel and wherever else the fuck. They build a greater proportion of components in India today than it was 15 years ago, but not by that much.And they wouldn't sell anyway because politics.
>>64436792Because they're not interested in old soviet shit long term?
>>64437153>Ukraine>interested in long termThey don't have the time to think about anything more advanced than surviving the next three months at a time.
>>64437165Just two more weeks, right?lol
>>64437117Literally fake news.That was a singular irrelevant and powerless politician throwing a hissy fit. Not in any way an official order/demand by the Swedish government.Like when mentally retarded US senators decide to get involved in the palestine/israel conflict by spewing bullshit "orders" on twitter in the delusional belief that any of the combatants give a fuck about what they have to say.
>>64437383And I fell for it.
