So for the poors that want NVG, how is it comparing say gen 1 night vision vs say digital?
>>64434668why is the plate only on one side?
>>64434679some weird ww1 juggernaut kit?
>>64434668gen1 is horrendous, it might be ok to drive at 10km/h on a large flat smooth road but that's it. The field of view is small and there's only a little bit at the center that is not deformed. Plus you need a IR flashlight, projector so your range is very limited, like 20m in front of you. The battery life limit is the one of the IR light.Problem with digital is you lose night vision because of the LCD screen. Battery will be drained a bit fast because it's a camera with a screen and a bunch of electronics, not just tubes.>>64434679to shoulder a rifle ?
>>64434668>>64434695Then you have gen2, still affordable, you don't need an IR flashlight most of the time, but under pine trees or in countryside without light pollution, you'll need one.red dots in lower setting are visible and not blinding (Spitfire 3x, SIG TANG 1-6x24, chink red dot)
>>64434695So how much are you looking at with a blemished 2nd gen? Like a grand?
>>64434718Read here>>64434733
>>64434733I have no idea what model to look for and for how much outside my country, sorry anon, there's a /nvg/ and a poor fag general /pfg/ thread sometimes on /k/, might as there
>>64434683end of WW2 / 50s soviet equipment to shoulder glorious SVThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm9LJhCgUnA
If wearing on face, at least get gen2. Can’t beat analog imaging when it comes to movement. Digital is a little more convenient as an observation device and does ok in “well lit” darkness such as desert (lots of stars/moon) or urban areas (lots of light pollution) If strictly gen1 then digital is better since you’ll be using an IR light.
>>64434668Gen 1 essentially requires a separated illuminator.Digital might be comparable or even better.
BRIGHT ASS CHINESE FLASHLIGHTS AND $20 EXPIRED MARINE FLARES
>>64434668Gen 1 is for history museums. Same for Gen 2. Digital is fine if you're poor. It's $400 range.Gen 3 PVS14s are the glock and PSA AR15 of night vision. It used to be #3k. Western dual +thermal fusion is too expensive for the everyman, but Chinese is down to 6k right now.
>>64434668That Bakelite finishing, tho.
>>64434695>>64434848this. Gen 1 is utter dogshit. Not just in performance, but they are also fragile, heavy, and has terrible battery life. There is zero reason to use it for anything practical. It's a historical curiosity.Digital varies a lot in quality, but even the basic stuff tends to be a lot better image quality than Gen 1
>>64435058Digital also tends to suffer from standard Chinese $0 marketing budget. Current top dog is the GNG2K for $350, followed by the Nvg3rd and then the NVG-30 / NVG-50. The last two are the newest you don't need to go on Aliexpress for.Follow lux values when buying digital. Minimum amount of illumination for the sensor to work. An NVG-30 is 0.001 lux required, the Nvg3rd and GNG2K are 0.0001 lux. High end digital can get down to 0.00005 lux, lower is better, but that's getting into analog prices. Also refresh rate. The GNG2K is 60hz, Nvg30 only 40. NVG-90 goes up to 120 but that's a $1k unit.The beauty of digital, eventually, will be when a good 0.0001 lux or lower sensor is run tandem with a 384 thermal sensor as a fusion monocular. Should be no more than $1000 a few years from now, tops.
>>64435058>>64434864>>64435178Would a new Gen 1 setup with a really big uv light still be worse than digital?I didn’t even know until just a few minutes ago that they make new Gen 1’s.I’m seriously considering getting either a new Gen 1, or GNG2K.I wanna use it for night walks and innawoods stuff.
>>64434668Your options are misery or misery. Gen 1 is >bulky>incredibly short visible range>claustrophobic FOV>fisheyes intensely>either requires some incredibly obscure and obsolete battery or plug>has a battery life measured in minutes >requires a separate IR illuminator which is just a giant "shoot me" sign to anyone else, even without NVGThey're neat but by god they're worthless for actual use. Digital on the other hand>still needs separate IR>doesn't weigh a fuckload>has lag>can't be magnified>has a slightly less worse visible rangeBoth options run about 4-600 bucks. You can get a thermal for that much and it'd be way cooler and more functional. If you want NVG the floor is with the PVS-14 which runs for a grand and a half minimum these days. Anything less advanced just plain sucks to use. All that said, I'm a huge NVGfag and I cut my teeth with a PVS-7 and a modded PNV-57, no shame in buying crap if it sparks an interest in you and encourages you to pursue a deeper understanding
>>64435266>Digital on the other hand>still needs separate IRDepends on lux values of the CMOS sensor. Digital cannot be simplified into one bucket. $350 gets you a GNG2K that on paper eats Gen1 for lunch. $700-750 gets you a bino setup. Under $200 gets you a used Nvg30 tops or an Nvg10, or maybe if you're real lucky someone that bought a SiOnyx and suddenly had these things called bills come up so they had to sell at a loss. Many such cases. Digitals have digital magnification, which isn't true magnification since it basically just cuts pixels down.Thermals under a grand are going to be pixelated, constantly-NUCing 192 sensors that leave you wanting. Advise you not get a thermal until you can afford a $1.4k Oneleaf with a no-NUC shutterless 640x512. Will mog the shit, piss, and fuck out of any other weapon mounted thermal at that price.
>>64434668Nerfanon here, I have both so I can speak with some experience. First, Gen 1 is legit analog NV so it has no lag, AND can often function in dimly moonlit areas without additional IR. Huge downsides though, requiring specific IR band illum (they only see IR in the 850nm range) for everywhere else, slow startup/shutdown due to capacitors, AND they're susceptible to getting burned out by even moderate light exposure, which makes the window between "acceptable light pollution" and "turns your Gen 1 into a paperweight in five seconds exposure" very narrow. On the other hand, digital is nice and cheap, even cheaper than the $120 Night Owl Gen 1s. Problem is all but the higher end digitals require additional IR illum, there's always lag, no good magnification, and so on. An interesting side benefit of digitals at the low end is that they usually also see 940nm IR light unlike Gen 1, which means your illuminator isn't glowing bright red for everyone with eyes to see (850nm IR lights glow bright red while 940nm ones are a dull, hard to see dark red). tl;dr: Based on everything else ITT, it sounds like you could get away with a cheap $50 Chinesium mono digital and a $20 940nm IR light. It's basically for observation only but unless someone else has NV (based on your comments that's unlikely in your country) you're king of the hill.
>>64435648>Problem is all but the higher end digitals require additional IR illumDepends on lux values. $350 DNVs are claiming capability under 0.0001 lux conditions. In 3-4 years that'll be 0.00005.DNVs don't hold value for shit and they quickly get out of date. I'd say buy a used Nvg30 for $150-200 but there's a monkey model issue with the Nvg30 in particular. Not all of them perform the same. In two, three years the GNG2K will be replaced by something else and you can buy it used for cheaper than $350.A major problem with DNV is that they all have wifi and bluetooth so you can ghetto land warrior the DNV's picture to your phone or another device. Can in theory allow you to aim around corners if you gun-mount the DNV, but on the other hand you know damn well the shit is backdoored. That gives Gen1 Analog an edge if you're up against a tech-saavy opponent.>also see 940nm IRMany digitals go up to 1100nm, outside some analog.
>>64435730Fair enough. I consider anything above about $200 to be higher end; I'm the guy that started his NV journey with a literal $20 Nerf Modulus sight, after all.
>>64435912All good. You can break DNV into three camps. 1.Nerf Modulus up to $250 cheap Chinese stuff that needs high lux or an illuminator.2. Mid-end DNV, $250-500 Binock, Goyojo, TRV. This is where things get good.3. High-end DNV, $1000 Binock NVG-90 up to $20,000 ADNV quads. In theory the super high end digitals are approaching GEN3.
>>64435648What’s a good gen 1 to go with?Night vision is legal in my country, and I’m out in the middle of no where as well. I want to use it for night walks and innawoods stuff.
>>64434668I don't know much about Digital, but Gen 1 is kinda dogshit without moonlight. Picrel was taken under ~60% moon illumination with some cloud cover (PNV-57E). Gen 0 is the IR only that doesn't amplify light>>64435989Not to potentially steer you in the wrong direction, but something like the NZT-22 or the other PVS-5 esc soviet/russian thing, but I think some companies make Gen 1 NODs with better shit in them
>>64436034Your pic rel doesn’t look that bad to me.>NZT-22 or the other PVS-5>I think some companies make Gen 1 NODs with better shit in themI was about to say I found out earlier that they do still make gen 1’s. Would you probably go with a newly made gen 1 or an old soviet set?
>>64436077Keeping it real, newly made. Older soviet tubes are blurry and are lower lp/mm (lp/mm=resolution for analog NODs pretty much) than newer ones, so if you can find new Gen 1 go for it. Also soviet goggles have a transformer on the back which makes an EEEEEEEEEEEE sound when it's on
>>64436034>>64436077>>64436099Nerfanon again. The new production Gen 1s I'm familiar with are Night Owls, of mixed Russian/Belarusian provenance. Before 2022 they were like $120-150 in the U.S., not sure in your country.
>>64436124>Night OwlsThanks a ton, anon! I’ll be sure to look those up now. I’m in the US also.>>64436077>Keeping it real, newly made>EEEEEEEEEEEEThank you as well. Haha that sounds like a nightmare.
>>64434668Digital all the way. The NVG30 is at the same level as the shitty 20 year old 2nd gen russian tubes you'll find in old night vision scopes you see pop up on Ebay. Gen 1 is a worthless toy. Definitely recommend an NVG30 or NVG50, it is the best night vision $400 can buy short of one of those hail-Mary Ebay finds that every poor fag dreams of. I've own all gen of analog NV and digital, digital is not quite as good as analog but its still basically having a super power when compared to having a flashlight.Most of the digital hate comes from gay fat redditors that bought a PVS14 with their credit card and the idea of anyone fucking around at night without paying the $3000 goodgoy fee sends them off the rails
>>64436163So in terms of lag or whatever it’s called- does digital feel weird when walking around?
>>64436180I never noticed that with the NVG30 I have and with faster movements your brain filters it out after a little. At least mine did, everybody has a different level they can take, some people even get nauseated trying use a Gen 3 monocular because to their brain it just doesnt "feel right"
>>64436136Oh, I thought you were the foreign anon from earlier. But yeah, Night Owls are still on Amazon but harder to find, nowadays they're about $200 if you can find one. Nightstar also makes new-ish Gen 1s, possibly with new old stock Chinese tubes but I have no experience with them.
>>64436227Well that doesn’t sound bad at all. The Gen 1’s that you used, were they new Gen 1’s or old Soviet stuff?
>>64436163Nvg30 and 50 are two gens behind. People are reporting great results with the Nvg3rd and the GNG2K on paper is even better. 60fps and 0.0001 lux versus the nvg30 at 40fps and 0.001 lux. It works with 1/10th the lux.I agree with the rest of your take completely.
>>64436243All the Gen-1 stuff is allsoviet/russian EP-33 tubes as far as I know. The specs are shit across the board. A modern Night Owl scope is gonna be just as shit as one from 20 years ago.Along with the Russian sanctions the cheap Chinese digital has made them pretty much worthless. You will still need active IR to see 50 feet away and its like looking through a radioactive glass bottle
Somebody needs to come up with a 1050nm to 1100nm illuminator so digitalbros can hide from amex redditors and their PVS14s they bought with SEZZLE
>>64436262Thats crazy man, that tech is moving so fast. I'm waiting for somebody to put out a cheaper scope that uses a 1" chip like the ADNV G14P2 does. I think the Binock NVG90 might but their website gives absolutely no specs.Pic is a PVS7A with a unblemmed gen3 omni5 tube i was able to assemble for $500.
>>64436281>radioactive glass bottleThat myth has been disproven multiple times.https://youtu.be/GjzyJo2rCns?si=snFRKxFNLqfTPH-K&t=108
>>64436163>>64436180>>64436227Nerfanon again. The sub-$200 digital NV market has some real variable performance, with worse towards the cheaper end of the market. I mean the Nerf Modulus gets something like 8 fps in open environments even with massive IR illum. >>64436281>>64436243I have to say, the Night Owls and other Gen 1s do blow most of the low end of the digitals right out of the water most of the time. They're analog so zero lag, and can actually function without IR in moonlit environments, which can't be said for any digitals in the same price point.>>64436294You know, SiOnyx was working on something like that IIRC. Don't know if it ever became commercially available.
>>64436312I have a spec sheet somewhere for the NVG-90 they pulled, so no idea if it's accurate. IIRC, it's 0.00005 lux, 120hz, 1" sensor. I suspect they walked that back somewhat because 0.00005 lux is only found with ADNV's super high end stuff like the G18s.
>>64436328A SWIR illuminator would be perfect, because you need an ECOSI to see into SWIR with a lot of analog tubes and that's way out of budget for most people.
>>64434668For what its worth, I think Gen 1 starlight scopes are actually pretty good. They're just very heavy. I owned the 1PN34 an it's western predecessor, the AN/PVS-2. The thing contains 3 daisy chained image intensifiers. The 1PN34 was a bit sharper than the PVS-2, but I'll chalk that up to general wear between the two units. I'd take a gen 1 starlight scope over a digital weapon mounted scope and definitely over a digital monocular/binocular. These starlight scopes can be had for around $500 bucks still. You'll just have to be creative about batteries, deal with the weight and awkward mounting. I'll post a couple pictures of the ones I had.
>>64436361My 1PN34 view has been flipped, but you get the idea. Left is a PVS-2, right is a PVS-14.
>>64436369These look so cool to me.
>>64436369>right: HD>left: spice channel porno in 1992 on a CRT at 2:00 AM
>>64436369Please lord give me a Starlight scope to use like a pirate would use a spyglass
>>64436384>Arrrr im gonna break into wendys and fondle A2's yugioh card collection and steal his balls with gen5 tubes I stole from Jesse Ventura
You are now aware the future is super digital known as EBAPS.
>>64436381>>64436384You absolutely could use a starlight scope as a spyglass. IIRC they were issued with slings to be used separately. Also they were crisper IRL than the pictures let on, in the comparison picture I hadn't quite figured out the focus setting on it.
>>64436390DAMN IT MY INBRED COUSIN GOT OUT AGAIN FUCK
Son you need to get off the chans and get a job so you can afford real tubes like your father
>>64436404I have a Russian spotting scope thing that is actual Gen 0 (needs IR) but it's all fucked ever since I disassembled it, most of it is fine but the objective lens doesn't wanna go back as it was
>>64436314My bad, I meant because its a radioactive green color not that it was actually emitting radiation
>>64436416Yeah those old NVGs are hard to work on. I broke my last 1PN34 trying to service it
>>64436414YOU DON'T GET IT MOM! >>64436419Yeah. It was made whenever Soviet NODs came to the US and threatened US markets, so they started the myth that Russian night vision emits radiation >>64436426>1PN34Are those Gen 0 or 1?
One big issue with digital NV is runtime. It's a couple of hours versus 35-40+ for tubes. If you're going to use digitals seriously get a battery counterweight pack. Nestout makes a good waterproof 15000mah.Also most digi NV in the Binock / TRV / Goyojo club can accept wide FOV lenses. Big upgrade to 50 or even 55 degrees.
>>64436434Gen 1
>>64436440neat
>>64436419>>64436434Nerfanon again. Back in /nvg/ one anon did find that some Soviet/Warsaw Pact NV did use thorium-doped lenses for extra clarity (something also used in some older Western camera equipment), making said lenses mildly radioactive. Not terribly dangerous if well made but given Communist quality control in general I wouldn't risk it myself
>>64436496My Raytheon PALM thermal has a thorium flouride coating on the lens. I held a geiger up next to it and it's about as radioactive as a banana. If you lick the lens or if it breaks and you ingest fragments I could see major issues but it's harmless otherwise.
>>64436513Again, I wouldn't trust Communist quality control to make a thorium coating that didn't flake off over time in ways that you could inhale or otherwise get inside you. Internal dose of alpha emitters ain't no joke.
>>64436361>>64436369>>64436371That is so sick, anon. Isn’t it true that these things were classified back in Vietnam? Saw some guy claim on he was in Vietnam on Reddit, and said they told them “If you lose it, find it or don’t come back.”
>>64436312Nta, but Woah. You were able to assemble a Gen 3 for $500?? How in the world did you manage that?Also, in terms of chips- with AI now, who knows; it’ll probably be sooner than later.
>>64436976I have had very good luck on the Facebook NightVision Solutions facebook group. I searched the for sale posts and found a boomer selling a MX10130 tube months back for $400 and nobody had replied to him, I took a chance and sent him a message asking if he would take $200 and he agreed.The housing I made a post asking for PVS7 housing parts as I had a thought of assembling one and a dude I was talking too about an objective lense assembly happened to remember he had an entire PS7A housing in a box in his garage he was never going to use, I threw out $300 and he took it.I've had very good luck in general buying used Night Vision, I've owned and sold multiple Gen 2+ scopes I bought off Ebay for $400-$600.Here's another, I bought a Pulsar 4× scope with a russian Gen 2+ tube and a housing off a guy on Facebook, this came out to be about $700 but I doubled my money when I got bored with it.
>>64434744>WowYou need a battery the size of rhode island : I
>>64434668I saw a digital scope on sale for like $450. When I asked about it I got yelled at : (Someone was finally able to explain, after dozens of incoherent posts of autistic rage, that I would be looking like a light house, compared to GEN 3+ NODs Eventually I had saved up money, and some nerds were chatting up NODs. Long story short some random strangers on 4chan convinced me to finally pull the trigger, and buy a quality NOD. Additionally I spend at least a good week nerding out about SPECS. Pathetically a lot of seller don't even provide them. I spent $2800 on a PVS-14, GEN 3+, FOM 2144. I have the paper work. It also has a 5 year warranty. From what I can see they are only getting more expensive. Not cheaper. As they run out of anything. I got mine from JHR. I think they have some lesser options too. But cheaper NODs are pathetic compared to GEN 3+. At my job a lot of my co workers use dual NODs PVS 31s.I was yelling HOLY SHIT as soon as I put those on. You can job with those on in patch black.
>>64436967I'm not sure if they were classified in Vietnam. The 1PN34 is said to be reverse engineered from it. When I took the one I had apart it also seemed to have three daisy chained image intensifiers like the PVS-2. I think the Soviet model improved on it a lot. For one, the PVS-2 doesn't actually have turrets to adjust the reticle, instead adjustments are made with the mount, the 1PN34 remedies this. Also it has a pretty elegant light filter, its an adjustable aperture that you can rotate to let more light in, it can also be removed outright, and is held on much more securely than the PVS-2. I wouldn't know how classified they were, but if you're giving them to grunts there is a reasonable expectation that it will fall into enemy hands. The quote about losing it is a mentality that still exists today. At least in my experience in the Marines if you loose an NVG all training gets shut down until its found, that means the entire company or possibly more are looking for it. If you lose even a PVS-14 chances are high you'll get demoted.
>>64437212Buy once cry once as they say. I am also a PVS-14let, when I tried a set of 31s with a COTI on it I was very impressed with how bright and crisp they are.
>>64436967>Isn’t it true that these things were classified back in Vietnam?Yes, they are basically the first gen 2s to see service, starting in 1970, followed by the PVS-5 for the air force in 1971.>and said they told them “If you lose it, find it or don’t come back.”passive night vision in general was very tightly controlled in Vietnam.
>>64437359oops, thought anon posted the ultra rare PVS-3 rather than 2. the gen 1s date to the late 60s and saw a good amount of use during that time.
New to NV retard here. Is digital worth it? Dirt cheap, and I know the IR sensors can be seen via other NV users. But idk if I can justify 4k for some decent NV.
>>64437583>Is digital worth itNope. Having said that if you shop around enough you can get a gen 3 PVS-7 or PVS-14 for around 1700-2800 bucks.
>>64437583No, but it's cheap enough it's better than Gen1-2. If you're a poor and don't want to save, a Sionix costs under $300, so you'll come out ahead compared to some arcane, shitty soviet surplus when you give in and buy real NV a few years later.
>>64437583Nerfanon here. Digital is a great cheap starter/trainer setup, teaches you a lot about how to use IR effectively and is insensitive to accidental bright-light exposure (a big problem with rookies) unlike Gen 1. At the least you can loan it to your "friends" who you don't trust to play with your more expensive Gen 3 NVDs, since most low-end but functional digitals run about $100-150.>>64437797Where are you finding SiOnyx under $300? Lowest on Ebay is like $350 used.
>>64437997Nta, but Nerfanon, does Gen 1 actually have any advantages whatsoever to digital? Like what if someone got a massive up light (or whatever light nvg’s pick up)? Would they be on the same level as Gen 2’s then?>>64437103Wow, that’s very impressive anon. So basically all you need is the housing and the tube or whatever?
>>64438089Like I said earlier, Gen 1 is lagless since it's analog and is also functional without additional IR under moonlit conditions, which is a great boon if you're trying to avoid sensors that see IR light emissions (trail cams, people with digitals, etc). The same can't be said for most digitals at the same price point. You can still get Gen 1s on Amazon for like $150-200, and when paired with a cheap $150-200 940nm IR digital NVD like a Nightfox goggle or monocular you're better off than 99% of the population. Add an inexpensive $300-400 thermal and you're all set for most situations.
>>64438604A full moon is 0.05 lux and 0.0001 lux is starlight. The GNG2K and Nvg3rd are both rated for 0.0001 without IR. Their CMOS sensors are better than the cheaper shit, and at $350 a bargain.
>>64434668why couldn't I just get a flare gun?
>>64438682Again, that's double the price point I'm working with. Remember, I'm Nerfanon. Some people can't afford even $350, and for them I play in the shallow end of the price pool, trying to find diamonds in the rough for them. There's stuff like the older 940nm Nightfoxes which punch way out of their price point especially if gotten gently used, and even the $50 Chinesium monos can sometimes be good enough with some DIY 940nm IR rigging. That said I'm tempted to get some of the clip-on smartphone thermals just to see if I can compare them to my Infiray.
>>64434668Honestly some of the low light FPV drone cams are getting pretty good from what I've seen(not to mention the thermals). Either there's a lot of blatant lying going on or the newer ones are offering suspiciously good performance with 0 illumination on overcast nights without any additional illumination. Gonna have to cop one and see.
>>64438714Even an NVG-30 used is $200 or less. I got mine for under $200 and is still 0.001 lux.So if you have the Nightfoxes and the $50 chinese monos and the clip on smartphone thermal you're over the GNG2K price-wise. I do admire your mission to find solid bargains, to arm up our broke brothers. Have you made any infographics?
>>64437797>>64437997Being so new I think I'm leaning twords cheap shit to learn how to do this. Saw a 4chang info graph about NVG20 from goyojo. Idk what Sionyx is though, Google shows them as security cameras. Can a nigga help a retard like me out?
>>64434668>gen 1Fun novelty or collectors piece but not for serious night shooting or navigation use.>digitalEven the best units aren't near the performance of actual i2 nods. If you can save $1000 for a sionix unit, you can save $2000 for a blem pvs14 off tacswap.
>>64438857There's a digital night vision here: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
>>64438710>broadcasts your position>does nothing to illuminate your surroundings
>>64438996You use it to light shit on fire
>>64438999I guess NVGs are pretty bad at that.
>>64439008They're excellent if you have those Chinese digital quads and use the wrong battery
>>64439011Yeah I was gonna say maybe with some shitty rechargeable lithium batteries they'd be bad.
>>64439048Don't buy 18650s off aliexpress bro
>>64438710>>64438996>be anon innawoods during Chinaman invasion>shoots flare in the air>blinds Chinamen while simultaneously setting forest on fire>dries socks that he wet from stepping in swamp puddle from earlier using forest fire >eats ramen from ChinamanI think anon would win in the flare gun scenario
>>64434695>Click click click click click click
>>64439124I have never read a more based green in my life
>>64439130
>>64434668I've heard, but do not know from personal experience, that digital can cause serious motion sickness. There can be a less than a second delay between the camera capturing its image and presenting it to your eye, you won't perceptibly notice it, but your mind will register it anyway and it won't like it.
>>64438741Yeah, here it is. It's a bit old, but it's a start.
>>64439139Haha thank you fren.
>>64439124>eats ramen from Chinaman>dies from food poisoning
>>64439511basado
Found an Israeli starlight on facebook. Guy wants like 800 bucks for it.
>>64442061You can get one for under 600 from what a country with everything in your picture. There is also a guy on Etsy who refurbs them and sells them for around 500 as well. I'd only buy it if it has very good clarity.
>>64437219I would believe that is a freckn lazer beam before I would believe its a NOD
>>64443200Looks like an IZLID 3-watt IR laser to me chief
>>64443200>>64443209It's got an eyepiece at the rear. Definitely an optic and not a laser.
>>64443200Its just an early starlight scope. The first man portable night vision devices that were made to work without an IR lamp are huge. Mainly because they had to stuff it with tubes for it to work reasonably well.
>>64443362are you sure?
>>64434668It's excellent for catching retards poaching using digital NV or equipment with IR$ illuminators as long as you disable any IR illuminator on it and use it passive only.
>>64439218>>64439011>>64438869All you do is replace the LEDS on cheap solar lights with IR LEDS and buy the cheapest thing you can find. You skylight them, i have a nerf device and i have better awareness than most of you.Btw, have any of you ever walked outside in the night? Have any of you ever done night hunting?.
>>64436967These wree around in WW2, go look up the british tabby system or the german vampiyr systempic tabby3,000 sets were ordered in 1943 with 2,000 designated for tanks"The Tabby Type E binoculars, known as RG Binoculars Type 6 until December 1942, were a very early infrared optic used by the British Army during the Second World War. "https://hatchfive.wordpress.com/2023/01/10/tabby-type-e-ir-binoculars/seealso WW2 bong soe tabby type K IR night sighthttps://store.cbeagle.co.uk/ww2-british-tabby-type-k-night-sight-002
>>64443394>i have a nerf device and i have better awareness than most of youdo you though?
>>64443394>Btw, have any of you ever walked outside in the night?a lot>>64443394>Have any of you ever done night hunting?.yes including anti poaching
>>64443427What is anti poaching?
>>64443432hunting poachers I'm guessing?
>>64443436Inded the deadliest catch, but I'd like to hear what the anon would like to say it is.
>>64443441it's camping Highrise at 1:45 in the morning with a flat bottle of Mtn Dew CODE RED, a red tiger stripe Intervention and getting a care package predator - sentry gun - ac130 combo to a tac nuke.
>>64443372I'm talking about >>64437219, that's an 1PN34.https://russianoptics.net/1pn34.html
>>64443457My response is contained in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2c8PA3DQTU
>>64443457Oh tracking, I was the one that posted it. I owned one before. I was just cycling through my starlight scopes images since I'm kind of autistic.
>>64443394Nerfanon here. The Nerf Modulus is an amazing thing, /nvg/ right in the toy aisle. Shitty, but technically functional, and extremely affordable even on kid allowance money. When I first got mine I wandered around my house giggling with childlike glee, because I now owned the night, at least if the backstop wasn't more than 15 feet away so the crappy IR LEDs could illum it and fps didn't drop into the single digits.Only Nerf can do that kind of return to childhood moment. It's truly Nerf or nothing.
>>64443393>>64443425The Nerf device is really good for identifying IR game cameras. In rural areas you can use it to notice areas that are observed by IR cameras.>>64443427I'm nearly blind in the daylight.>>64443432>>64443436You keep people from stealing game animals and kill them without reason.>>64443501It makes for a decent 1Gen starlight scope if you backlight your yard.
>>64443501>>64443534That's a good point. Worst case scenario, it lets you spot IR cameras and people being careless with their IR illuminators.Little known fact, several firmware versions of the old Binock NVG-10 never actually allow you to turn the illuminator completely off. Even when "off" it is kept at a low power level to give the illusion of the unit having better capabilities. This is still a popular unit, even though it's antiquated by this point, because it was / is cheap as hell. The Modulus will be able to spot it easily.
>>64443543>>64443534Nerfanon again. Note that Day Mode on the Modulus turns off the crappy integral IR but can still see into the NIR spectrum, meaning it's simply an unilluminated digital NV mode, perfect for pairing with more powerful/stealthier 940nm IR illuminators... Like older TV remotes. You can often score those for free if you roam residential neighborhoods on Sundays when people put out FREE STUFF boxes, and with some dollar store AAs you've got a 940nm illuminated digital NV at a bargain basement price. Sure it's blurry short-ranged junk but for under $30 you're in business and better off than 99.9% of the population who can't even conceive of seeing in the dark IRL.Also good info on the NVG-10. Didn't realize it was vulnerable to being spotted by the venerable Nerf.
>>64443571Good shit. Additional info on the Binock NVG series and anything that takes an 18650 in general. Most battery life specs are done with a 2600mAh 18650. The very highest capacity genuine 18650s available today are 4000mAh - the Vapcell N40. This will raise runtime by 35%.Also get a good multi-bay charger and get in the practice of keeping a half dozen 18650s on your kit.The N40 and a few others are the highest commercially-available 18650s at 4000mAh. Anything higher than that is probably a scam.
>>64443543In almost every state in the USA you are required to put your name and phone number onto a game camera as a matter of law, if they don't put their names and numbers on them on private property then it's a crime and you just got a free game Cam.. >>64443571Most Game cameras have IR flashes that anyone with a Nerf IR device can notice.I have alot of free game cameras that have been devoted to me as gifts as they were placed on my property of that of my friends. I look forwards to getting more of them in the near future.
>>64443571The one thing that amazes me is the boomers don't clear their Simm cards, they are so fucking stupid.
>>64443607listen pal if u got nothin' to hide why hide it
>>64443607Norktard I forgot to mention, have you heard from Caius recently?
>>64437224>BUY ONCE CRY ONCE!I wanted one for years. I forgot about it. Meanwhile I was sitting on cash. I was like fuck yes this is what I've been waiting for.
>>64434668Digital is already wrecking late gen analog. Give it time and the miloomers holding onto that old tech will have to eat their words.
>>64443681Any day now.
>>64443703go buy an NVG-90. The choice is yours.
>>64443610>>64443626No, i'm busy trying to teach a kid in a wheelchair how to use a crossbow while stockpiling firewood.
>>64443724Well since I can't find ANY video of the NVG90 I did find posts claiming that the NVG90 is a cheaper ADNV P2. So let's see what the ADNV P2 looks like in darkne-
>>64443737And this is why it's important to have at least some fully passive capability. A cheap thermal and/or Gen 1 Night Owl will normally suffice.
>>64443737As usual the NVG-90 suffers from the zero dollar marketing budget of most things Chinese. It's technically released but no stock is in. Allegedly the sensor is 0.00005 Lux and that means better than the ADNVP2.Also that PVS-14 isn't too much better than the P2.
>>64443756>Also that PVS-14 isn't too much better than the P2.I agree, however that PVS14 is likely sub 2,000 dollars, I think it's a Gen 2. The cheapest ADNV P2 I'm finding is 3000 dollars.
>>64443765The NVG-90 is $1,000 flat on Binock's site and will be cheaper on Aliexpress as most digi NV usually is.https://www.binockshop.com/collections/night-vision/products/new-best-rate-night-vision-goggles?
>>64443775>1000 dollars for worse than Gen 2What a steal!
>>64443781>the year is 2030>use a SWIR laser to hunt analog chuds in the boog>they can't see me >I can see them>cuz NVG-90 goes up to 1100nm>so does my illuminatorcheckmate suckah
>>64443784Also a question about digital because I'm not stupid enough to buy any, aren't you looking at a screen in those things? Looking through my PVS14 is very natural, but looking through my RH25v2 is not at all. Isn't digital night vision like that?
>>64443799Correct, it's a square screen in all but the newest models, which are circular like analog and are supposed to help with that. It's still a screen though.In all seriousness, this is still basically a huge work in progress because China is trying to work around their non-mastery of tubes. If you're going to slap a grand down on digital for whatever reason I'd wait until the model AFTER the NVG-90.Now have some catchy tunes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_HpQdS0Ru8
>>64443803>that 90s musicReminds me of my childhood's CD-ROM encyclopedias, and the Parasite Eve games.
I wish I could build my own. Wouldn’t that be cheaper somehow?
>>64445114Somewhat, but not by much. Its the image intensifier tubes that are really expensive.
>>64445123How much are they?Could you take like a gen 3 housing and put like a gen 3 I intensifier in it?
>>64446154I've been out of the game for a while since I got my own PVS-14 but yeah, housings are cheap, its the tubes that cost money. There is some level of compatibility, for example, the intensifier for the PVS-14 will also work on a PVS-7, as will it work in dual tube housings. Last I checked intensifiers cost around 800-1200. If I had to choose I would just buy one built by a reputable manufacturer with a warranty.
