How are norinco firearms?
>>64435353Bready good (in the 80s) but you can't buy them anymore.
Not norinco or maybe it is but my chinese 870 clone has probably 5000 rounds down the pipe with no major stoppages or part breakages. It's the little things though, you can nearly cut yourself on the loading gate/edges of the receiver. I took a piece of sandpaper to debur and now it's not too bad. It also came drenched in a stinky oil.
>>64435373>It also came drenched in a stinky oilYou have stage 4 prostate cancer, sorry to be the bearer of bad news
Most Norinco AKs I've seen have been fairly shit as far as production quality goes. SKSs can run from barely acceptable to shit. Although by shit, that means poor marking stamps, crappy chuu wood, and rough textures. They at least function. I'd still take a norinco over any modern turkshit. My type 56 is pretty rough, but looks decent from about 15 ft away. It's way overgassed and the wood is super soft. They are absolutely not worth the prices they command nowadays, I'm glad I only paid $500 for mine. The polytechs are a lot nicer generally speaking.
I have a norinco 1911 from I think the 80s or 90s. I also have a new turkish 1911. The Norinco was maybe impressive for the 80s, it's clearly hand fitted but very gritty despite many many rounds through it. Tool marks on literally everything. Questionable feed ramps that can't feed much except for 230gr ball. I really don't trust any parts to drop in. Shoots fine. The tisas 1911 has none of these visual problems and also seems to shoot fine including hollow points
>>64435353I have their paratrooper SKS, love it.
>>64435353I have one of their AKs, the Type-56S.It's crude, but functions perfectly. Zero malfunctions the past 10 years, and it has the classic looks.
>>64435353Not terrible, had an SKK that was an honest enough gun for what it was. It was new though so the 2nd hand market and milsurp is a bit different game
>>64435373I've got one of the JTS M12AKT1 models (which I think it's assumed that JTS is Norinco for the export market). I don't mind it, it's functioned as intended every time I've fired it. The finish isn't perfect but everything else has been ok.
Chinese AKs seem ok. I've never understood the hype about them, they run but a WASR 10 does too.
>>64435353I paid $700-$800 for a used SKS that uses AK mags from gunbroker. Ive only shot it once some ak mags dont fit in it but otherwise fun to shoot and no problems.
>>64435353Some of it is the best and some is the worst. Norinco is more like Beretta group, which owns both Stoeger, Sako, and Benelli. It really depends on the factory which is making it. China has many different factories making different patterns of AKs, some are first rate, and others are third rate (this factory now makes knockoff Magpul slings and makes far more profit doing that). Think of them more like an export agent; their role is to act as a facilitator to allow people to get arms items out of China. If you pay for cheap shit, they will give you cheap shit, if you pay for quality; you will get quality.
>>64436108Americans hype them up because they used to be the first real "commie weapons" you could buy in the 1980s, for dirt cheap at that. Then the Ban happened, and most of them became unobtainium.
My brother has one AK, not sure about the model. It's cool and all but super inaccurate and overall shitty.
>>64435353norinco sks was my first non-rimfire rifle. personally never had any issues, no slamfires, jams, etc shooting both steel case and brass.
>>64435436I've never owned one, but I've read they were pretty popular back in the day as bases for to be turned into competition guns because the steel is pretty high quality, or was for the time
>>64435353>How are dwarves in your setting? They're fine, thanks for asking :)
>>64435353Norinco, and its subsidiaries, tend to make guns that function just fine but arent so polished like a lot of nice manufacturers in the west are. To some people (faggots) this is a deal breaker, to those who dont suck cocks theyre just fine>>64435373if it says JTS on the side of it then it is Norinco.JTS sells Hawk Shotguns, Hawk is Norinco's Shotgun manufacturer subsidiary. almost anything labeled JTS is this way>>64435401>its shit but it runs fineso it isnt shit as long as youre not a pussy?
>>64438752>so it isnt shit as long as youre not a pussy?The romy Draco I bought for $400 next to it is properly gassed, better looking rivets, and has a far better fit and finish than the type 56. The Draco is somehow less obnoxious, softer recoiling, and faster back on target. It's less likely to rust or damage the wood with rough handling. If I were to grab an AK for going innawoods, the Draco is my first choice over the 56. The 56 is there because I wanted classic AK and it showed up at a good price, plus if I wanted I could sell it to some retard for 3x as much as I'm in it because muh import ban. The Chinese are occasionally capable of making good quality items of you pay them well, see polytech, Iray, and Savior. Norinco is not good quality. Its only quality is that it works, but there are others out there that work while being better.
>>64435353Better than Albanian, better than North Korean, better than East German, about the same as Russian, Egyptian, Yugo, Hungarian, worse than Polish, worse than Bulgarian.
>>64435353>How are norinco firearms?The Acme of Adequacy. Some individual examples can be bad, but by and large most of what they make is fine.
>>64437186it was no better nor worse than a USGI offering, but at a much lower cost.
>>64435353China makes a Tokarev, NORINCO TYPE 54https://youtu.be/QvfvhZ1vmF4
>>64435353Who knows
>>64435353I love my Norchinko knock-offs of Russian guns. I've thought about continuing my collection of them since I have a Type 54 Tokarev, a Type 56 SKS, and formerly a Lynx-12. What I'd love is a fucking Type 95 though. Bing chilling.
>>64435353Love me type 54 and type 56. Good guns though not worth the asking price they command today. Would like a polytech/ norinco 1911 and M14 combo because the thought of the two most quintessential Mccarthyist era guns being made by commies makes me giggle
>>64437032What's the best you can get in America now that's got the authentic look, runs great, was made in the gommie bloc, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? I could get a Norinco Sporter in good condition for around 1k from a local shop. Otherwise it seems like a Zpap was my best bet before exports from Serbia stopped.
>>64442639Does a WASR not check all those boxes?
>>64442665Does it? I'm completely new to AKs. Besides the iconic wood furniture, running really well, and being affordable, I have no clue what to look for. Norincos are the first AKs I've found in the wild that have the AK47 look with the wooden furniture.
>>64442782NTA but you'll usually have to swap to wood furniture on a WASR, though some do come with wood but those have tack welded barrel nuts IIRC, no slant brake (which is actually correct for a Romanian military AK BTW). Otherwise buy a WASR with plastic furniture and buy a set of surplus Romanian wood, but you may not like the dong (or the $80 price tag) as it's very much a Romanian oddity. WASRs should be somewhere in the $7xx range IIRC. Pic is model RI1826-N which does come with wood furniture, tack welded nut (easy to remove), and a black polymer pistol grip (easy and cheap to change out). Most AKs won't come with steel mags (usually US Palm or MagPul) so if you want steel, don't worry about what it comes with and just buy what mags you want later.Only thing I'd immediately do if I bought one is carefully sweep out the magwell as Century Arms machines them out to doublestack after import and they don't remove all the little chips they leave behind. They are small and they are SHARP.
>>64435353Their newer stuff post rebranding as Sino Defence Manufacturing is quite shit, rattles to the touch, jams a lot but at least still no cases of kaboom due to strict CIP standards here. Their older Norinco stuff was quite solid and good for the money with the issue being that "Norinco" was a bunch of companies under a single umbrella so QC could vary. Their 1911s were (2011 iirc) good and their AR-15/M4 clone was a literal tank. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahWZkE4dLw )The best quality is in their PLAA stuff they resold to civilian markets after removing the full auto components (where necessary) Type 56s, 84s etc since it probably had to be kept under more strict QC. My NDM86 hasn't jammed once and it's accurate.
>>64444536>Their 1911s were (2011 iirc) goodI mean the work. I wouldn't say they're particularly good.They've got that classic wartime-production M1911A1 sloppy rattle fitment, triggers are bad, and the guns are full of rough machining marks.The small parts like extractors and trigger components also seem to have inconsistent production quality with more parts breakages than is normal for 1911s.For some reason the Chinese also hardened the FUCK out of the frames and slides. No idea what kind of steel or heat treatments they use, but they're way harder than typical 1911 spec. That may lead to issues with cracking over extended use, particularly with hot ammo. That's speculation on my part, haven't really seen any first hand evidence of it happening particularly often.The extreme hardening of the parts is also a problem for anyone that wants to modify these guns with the standard set of 1911 accuracy improving modifications.
>>64442782Pretty much everything the other anon said, but also you can find used WASRs that already have the nice wood furniture you want for cheaper than both a new one to replace all the cheap furniture or another type of AK. With most guns, and especially a WASR, a used one isn't going to be any worse functioning than a brand new one. I dunno, I personally luv me WASR. Only gun I own that's never had a malfunction of its own. It fails to feed the final rounds of one particular very shitty early gen Korean KCI mag, and one time it failed to fire when I accidentally pulled the trigger on a loaded chamber inside my home like a retard after reassembling it. Otherwise perfect.
