its chinese and its on sale for $200. why shouldn't i get one of these? no idea what the condition will be in. the ammo is bizarre i know
>>64438300ammo expensiveonly for plinking, can't really carry safelybut id buy it
I wanted a Tokarev until I held one. they have the build quality of a Soviet can opener and the ergonomics of a Hi-Power as remembered from a dream
>>64438403kek
>>64438418Field stripping them is awful. You have to keep contant pressure on the recoil spring because Tokarev apparently hated soldiers.
>>64438606huh it comes apart like a 1911
>>64438300Might as well get a 5.7 pistol
>>64438630is there a 5.7 pistol that is 200 bucks?
>>64438300Tokarev pros:>historic oldschool pistol>7.62mm Tokarev cartridge is fairly powerful and better than 5.7mm>works reliably>unitized mainspring and hammer assembly is actually quite nifty>cool>funIt's neat for its WW2 history, and for being just a bit different. It's like a Browning pistol from another dimension, but instead of going for a slow but really heavy bullet like the 1911, it goes for a super zippy one instead, like 7.63mm Mauser on roids.Tokarev cons:>all military models are unsafe to carry with a loaded chamber>military models with added manual safeties by importers are VERY sketchy, do NOT trust>7.62mm Tokarev is unfortunately not very cheap anymore>7.62mm Tokarev also unfortunately has dogshit for defensive loads>7.62mm Tokarev is known to overpenetrate, which doesn't have to suck, but just mind it>not great ergos>sights are kinda shit>balances a bit forward with the short grip and comparatively long barrel and slide>very limited after market, there are some replacement grips (which can improve ergos), and a muzzlebrake, but that's itIt's unfortunate that the outdated Tokarev, and the significantly worse CZ52, are the only real options for this cartridge, I'd love to see a more modern pistol chambered for it.Tokarev variants:>commercial Tokarev pistols do tend to have proper manual safeties>but I'd make damn sure to test out the pistol in question with an empty primed case, just to be sure>Yugo/Serb and Chink commercial Tokarevs can be had in 9mm Luger>Yugo/Serb Tokarevs have a slightly longer grip with a +1 round longer magazine to match>Yugo/Serb Tokarev mags will actually lock into other Tokarevs and work, but other Tokarev mags will be too short for the Yugo/Serb ones>Yugo/Serb Tokarev has a captive recoil spring, which I think is very niceI know the Turks also make a commercial Tokarev clone, but I know nothing about it.
>>64438300Do it.
they aight but yeah carry it empty chamber if you had to
>>64438624The recoil spring my dude. Watch a field strip video.
>>64438730Solvable with the Zastava versions, they have a captive recoil spring.
>>64438747Okay and OP os asking about Chinkshit ones being sold by PSA which lack that.
>>64438300>convince me not to buy a tokarevNo.>its chinese and its on sale for $200. Buy It. This is coming from someone who's had mixed experiences with Chinese toks>why shouldn't i get one of these?Maybe there's a Polish tok right next to it for $300.00? IDK.>no idea what the condition will be in.Welcome to the Wonderful World of Surplus Firearms!>the ammo is bizarre i knowNot very, and still not that expensive, plus "Discover Handloading". It's a fun cartridge to load for. 110 grain Carbine pills work great.
>>64438666>and the significantly worse CZ52,It's JUST FINE OKAY!? (yes I am looking for a 9X19 barrel SHUT UP! I still have 1000+ rounds of mixed 7,62X25 to shoot up~!)
>>64438300I can tell by the trigger safety that's one of the Rguns imports that came in from Albania. They had previously received them as military aid from China in the 70s and 80s (mine was made in 1984). These pistols tend to be in very good condition because they were refurbished and mostly stored rather than actually issued. It is pretty common to see the rear sight installed backwards for some reason, likely whoever reassembled them during the refurb wasn't paying attention.The trigger safety is a mixed blessing. It allows for there to be no cuts into the frame in order to install any manual safety that you would ordinarily want to remove and plug. It is easy enough to just swap out the trigger for a regular one and be done with it. However, the proliferation of these pistols have made TT-33 pattern triggers scarce and if you don't swap it that modified trigger is absolutely horrible to use.Other than that, for $200 go for it. These are pretty simple and reliable pistols. I genuinely enjoy shooting mine (with the swapped out trigger) and the caliber is interesting. It is a bit more expensive to shoot than more common calibers though.>>64438418>>64438606It is basically a 1911 but a little smaller and shittier. The annoying barrel bushing is similar to 1911 disassembly. Only reason the Tokarev is worse in that regard is that it uses a spring clip to retain the slide release lever rather than cutouts in the slide.>>64438794You say chinkshit but their T54s were genuinely built to decent specifications with chrome lining and good quality steel. I got 4 of them when they were being blown out cheap and all of them ran great despite in some cases being 70 years old.
>>64438300DON'T!Buy a crate.
>Get cheap 5.56 ammo>Pull out bullet and powder>Cut the case short>Run it through a 7.62 Tokarev die>Add pistol powder>Put bullet back in with an accelerator sabot>Enjoy cheap 5.7 that actually penetrates armor
>>64439044Make sure to wear eye protection.
>>64439209you could just buy up a bunch of the surplus s&b steel core .32acp that hit the market months ago and load those projectiles in theory, they are .312 diameter Afterall, though the powder charge would have to be increased to suit the lighter projectile
>>64439209You would need the twist rate in your barrel to be able to stabilize the bullet in question, also, the long .223 rifle bullet is gonna take up some space, not sure you'd be able to fit it in the mag, or even the breech.
>>64438300>$200get it
>>64439049He does have a point about the grip angle feeling like ass because it's not 1911,more like an oversized 1903.that's big and small in the wrong areas. I wanted one until I held one.
>>64440009Ogive length is 0.100" different, might be able to find a bit of extra length in the mag and the rest you can seat deeper. 55gr .223 needs 1:12 or faster, tokarevs are 1:9.5.
>>64439245I will, but just because I am forced to wear prescription glasses, and not because I think my handloads might cause my CZ52 to catastrophically come apart at the seams.So, There.
>>64439049>>64440022>>64438300If you look at the listings via google they actually sell them for $150 sometimes.>>64439049Mine says 1964 and was clearly never used in service, it feels like it was never fired. They blued everything, you can see how the action hasn't even been worked enough to scratch the bluing on the barrel and it is still in the grooves of the rifling.
>>64438300Depends on what purpose you're getting it for. If it's just for fun and occasional shooting, then it seems like an OK deal. It's flashy and loud. Other than that, not really that great, not really accurate, bites your hand, shitty ergo, etc.For collectors purposes, Chinese ones are not really valuable. Only Tokarevs worth collecting are Soviet (ideally prior to 1941 due to quality issues during wartime) or maybe the polish ones (which are overall best finish IMO)Inspect the common potential issues before buying. Visually the one in your pic looks OKish. Check the barrel and rifling. Check locking lugs (both on barrel and inside the slide and make sure they are nice and sharp), they tend to struggle with wear on lugs. Pull slide forward and let it slide forward real slow to check for any drag or if it's getting stuck on anything. Ideally it should be smooth. Check the tolerances between slide & frame, it will feel a bit loose but make sure it's not too loose. That tends to be a problem as well. In general, Toks don't have a long life expectancy. Probably 5000 rounds before the slide cracks near the ejection port.I am currently thinking of selling my soviet 1939 Tok in pic attached. Still not fully decided tho.
>>64438300You should buy one, i recently did. It is a very basic and solid CC gun. I have been CCing one on and off for 25 years. They are cheap and they work.
>>64440718>Only Tokarevs worth collecting are Soviet (ideally prior to 1941 due to quality issues during wartime)I paid $800 last year for a mixed bringback Soviet 42 frame, 43 slide.
>>64443360Would not want to CC a pistol I need to carry with an empty chamber.
>>64443409I would never carry a CC pistol with a round in the chamber. If you think that you need to have a ready round than you live in a war zone. I live in a very peaceful place (Jackman Maine) and if you need to carry a gun to start the day i pity you. The only reason i carry i a gun is cto protect my community and to opportunistically shoot a deer.
>>64443464You are a tard, after all.
>>64443541Toks are perfectly serviceable guns, if need be S&B FMJ rounds can kill a moose by putting a hole in them from front breast bone to ass 32 inches deep. They are capable of killing anything besides a Hippo or Elephant which i admit is highly improbable that you would need to shoot that. If you need something other than a Tok to shoot something or someone then you should probably move out of the place you are currently living in.
>>64443562I actually think that 7.62mm Tokarev is a great pistol cartridge and I think it's sad that it's so slept on, particularly when it's just plain better than the 5.7mm FN cartridge which gets so hyped these days.But the Tokarev is an antiquated clunker which never went through any of the various improvements which the 1911 went through on the civilian market for the past century, and not being able to carry it with a loaded chamber is one of the reasons why.
>>64443409>Would not want to CC a pistol I need to carry with an empty chamber.You should always carry on a empty chamber, if not than you are being unsafe with your carry habits.
>>64439049>It is pretty common to see the rear sight installed backwards for some reason, likely whoever reassembled them during the refurb wasn't paying attention.They did it that way because it is really easy to pull back the slide using the rear sight and your index or pinky fingers after you cock back the hammer. You can use the rear sight to cock it and slide the action back.
>>64443616You should never carry a .45 with a loaded chamber or any firearm with a round in the chamber. Anyone who CCs a gun with a round in the chamber in civilian use is a moron or a criminal psychopath.
>>64443622>>64443666You really are a complete fucking idiot.
Here are your questions:>Is it affordable?>Can you afford at least 100 rounds to practice with it?>Is it a reliable pistol?>Is it reasonably accurate?>Will it kill the person or thing that you fire it towards?>Do you like it? If the answer to all of these questions is yes then buy the damn thing, it will do the job you ask of it.
>>64443666>>64443686Don't fuck with my Satan trips.You don't carry a ready round in normal day to day carry, normal people don't worry about how to kill everyone around them.
>durr, you should carry an obsolete piece of shit>it's good, only psychopaths carry with a loaded chamber anyway hurr>nevermind that 7.62mm has only FMJ and completely shitty hollowpoints that don't expand at all>and that 7.62mm is infamous for overpenetration>I'm not the irresponsible person here, YOU guys are!
>>64443712Ironically, the Tok carry people are the only ones who aren't looking for a excuse to shoot people or to engage in unsafe carry.
>>64438300x25 is really expensive. Otherwise it's just a low end pistol. The ergonomics are very communist. What is your hand too good for glorious Soviet pistol? Points? Naturally? Get back to work!
>>64443721That's a completely retarded take but okay. If r/liberalgunowners thinks it's true I'm sure you do too.
>>64443721That's a really smart take, you insipid Redditor, and completely deflects from the fact that the Tokarev is infamous for unintended casualties from overpenetration.
>>64443729They really are not great in any practical sense, but I think they are worth it as a cool little piece of collectible history, some are outright even WW2 battlefield history.
>>64443721There was outright a Canadian tripfag on /k/ who prided himself in illegally carrying a Tokarev pistol, who then went fucking nuts and got himself sent to prison.
>>64443731>>64443738>>64443746Let me get this right, you morons think that:>I'm a liberal>I'm a Canadian>I'm a redditorI AM A PRO NORTH KOREAN FACSIST WHO WANTS TO SEE THE USA AND NORTH KOREA UNITE IN A CAMPAIGN OF MUTUAL GLOBAL GENOCIDE AGAINST THEIR MUTUAL FOES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS I OPENLY SUPPORT THE EXTERMINATION OF 90% OF THE HUMAN RACEI am not a Liberal or forgive me for saying such a offensive word, a Canadian.
>>64444013Wow, that's even worse, eat your own Tokarev, you retard.
>>64444013I didn't call you a Canadian, unless you're Crazy Tok Guy.
>>64444096>>64444098Oh both you go eat some 7.62x25mm. It's like $0.67 a round so make sure your suicide is expensive. I'm trying to figure out how Amazon Video still has Dance in the Vampire Bund, i was sure that would have been banned ten years ago.
>>64438300They are hilariously loud and flashy. There's a guy who brings one in to my work all the time and every fucking time he pulls it out i think someone is shooting a 308 pistol but no, its Ted and his fucking tokorev. Cool guy gave me a mag worth of ammo and told me the first mag was on him when i get one of my own. Fuck you ted for making me want slavshit now.
>>64444125It is worth noting that a 7.62x25 Tok in a confined place is almost as bad as a 5.56 when it comes to hearing damage, they are really loud and that is something you need to keep in mind. They also fireball so keep in mind that they might blind you at night in a dark room.
>>64444132So on top of being unsafe to carry loaded and liable to cut straight through and assailant and hitting who knows who, they might also blind and deafen you in some common conditions? Wow, you're clearly a genius, this is the best carry pistol!
>>64444013>self proclaimed fascist>supports an explicitly marxist-lenninist communist regime >desires an alliance of afformentioned marixst-lenninist communist regime and a market economy representative democratic republic If you are unironic you are an ideological schizophrenic. Please get help or kill yourself whichever will make you stop posting faster.
It's cheap, reliable, fits into most holsters and will kill anything you decide to shoot with it. It is a very basic and reliable gun that is good at it's job. Toks are designed to be cheap, reliable and lethal. They do all those things very well.
>>64444196The DPRK is a Absolute Monarchy not Marxist, you are literally getting it backwards. I know the idea of Monarchy is hard to explain as it has been the primary form of human government for the last 10,000 years or so and you haven't had any form of basic education so i'll explain it to you in simple terms:>The leaders are smarter than you and have power.>They educate their kids to be leaders>You listen while they attempt to explain concepts like writing, economics and math to you>You fail to understand math and economics>You spend a few thousand years being dumb fucksIt's not Marxism, Alexander the Great was 14 years old and he understood this shit better than you.
>>64444211I reiterate: get help or kill yourself. Whatever is more expedient for you.
>>64444219Go away Vatnik, i have no use or tolerance for Z shills.
>>64444211If you go to North Korea and say Kim Jong Un is a monarch you will be shot for being an anti-marxist counter-revolutionary, retard. Actually maybe you should try. Go for it.
>>64444226Actually you wouldn't if you phrased it correctly, they aren't stupid. That said fuck off Russian scum, i may support a nation that is nominally your ally but i despise scumbag trolls like you with every fiber of my being. I support the DPRK giving you ammo for the sole reason that the longer you fight the more of you die.
>>64444236I want to make this very clear: I want the DPRK to keep Russia fighting because it results in more dead Russians. The longer Russia fights the more Russians die so i want the DPRK to keep Russia fighting until the last Russian is dead.
>>64444225What a mentally ill deduction.
>>64444263Be aware that i don't really make any distinction between Russian or Ukrainian shills, at least not the more obnoxious sorts. I am personally pro Ukrainian and have helped them a few times but i don't enjoy propaganda getting in the way of my DPRK appreciation and independent analysis and general ranting. Both Russian and Ukrainian shills piss me off and i have no tolerance for either them. This is difficult for me as i want to see every Russian on earth dead while at the same time i love the DPRK who are their allies. Obviously this should be serious mental conflict for me. I sleep well at night knowing that as long as the DPRK helps Russia more Russians die, the DPRK and it's benefit and Russia is digging it's own grave that much deeper. Kim literally handed Putin his own grave stone, what more do you want?
>>64444314It is worth noting that high quality multi layered holographic plate glass slabs like that are technologically difficult to make and Kim is flexing the DPRKs manufacturing abilities there. Also he is obviously fucking with Putin because it's in the exact style of a expensive gravestone that is popular in Russia.
>>64444211The DPRK is the exact same as imperial Japanese fascism The only difference is the imps were successful and the Norks are retarded.
>>64444332You aren't wrong in that the DPRK copies them, however Imperial Japan lost while the DPRK is still around and is armed with weapons that Imperial Japan or even modern Japan could only dream of having. Imperial Japan having the ability to make a fission bomb was always a long shot while the DPRK has a proven ability to make a H-Bomb trigger. The modern DPRK has an order of magnitude more destructive power than Imperial Japan could ever imagine.
>>64444350>H-Bomb triggerAtomic autism moment: It was actually harder for them to make a tiny boosted fission/H-Bomb trigger than a full scale one or even a basic 1mt hydrogen bomb. They spent alot of effort to make it tiny, they have practical limitations on their testing abilities. Their fission bomb tests collapsed an entire mountain range, they simply don't have the physical space to test too many atomic weapons inside their own borders. They would never test a full scale H-Bomb inside their own borders because it might actually work. It's why all their missile tests go straight up, they don't have much testing space.
>>64438300I would like to apologize to OP if i have hijacked their thread with my ranting, it was not my intention and i am sorry if i have cause offense or disruption.Also buy a PSA Tok because they are cheap and i bought a pair a few weeks ago and they are just fine. They are cheap, of good quality and since they came from Mao via Albania are probably the best quality you get for that price. Mao loved Albania, he gave them the best stuff he had to offer.Mine is from 1964, can we get a /k/ thread for what was happening when your Chinese Type 54 was made?
>>64438300if you buy a tokarev your mom will die in her sleep tonight
>>64439049>It is pretty common to see the rear sight installed backwards for some reason, likely whoever reassembled them during the refurb wasn't paying attention.How do you even tell? The notch has the sight cone going forwards if it has one? I've seriously thought about making a curved peep rear sight that was a bit higher and curved forwards to act as a clocking handle. Every person i've ever met who has used them more than a few times uses the rear sight as a cocking handle, it's just the natural thing to do. You don't even think about it, you thumb the hammer back and wrap your pinky around the rear sight and slide it back.
