THE BATTLESHIP IS BACK
>drone fleetspoor fag's navy
>>64438585Nothing in that suggested big-gunned ships. It's probably just Trump telling the DoD to fund DDG-X more.
>>64438585>early discussionsSo it's just Trumps' fever dreams. Right. Navy's just gonna throw this idiocy into bureaucratic limbo until he kicks the bucket or leaves office. And good riddance, too.
>>64438585USA circa WW2 could clobber any other nation on the planet today.
>>64438585
>That's a nice big ship you have there>Be a shame if someone expended a fraction of its value in ballistic missiles on it
:/
>>64438585You really can get anything funded through him if you market it correctly, huh?>Arsenal Ship bros we’re so back
>>64438645What was the name of that battleship sunk by missiles?
>>64438608>So it's just Trumps' fever dreamsthis, im so tired of a clickbait article coming up any time trump responds to a loaded question with "maybe!" like he does with EVERY QUESTION
>>64438658Roma
>>64438645>Enemy launches anti-ship ballistic missile at you>Turn left>Missile missesIf your anti-ship system can be defeated by NASCAR-style evasive maneuvers, then your system sucks.
>>64438658B5
>>64438665
>>64438585At least he gives something of a fuck about the Navy and its future.
>>64438658HMS Sheffield
>>64438594If you read the WSJ article the gist is basically the navy going back to Arleigh Burke's (admiral not the ship) high-low model. We've basically been stuck in limbo with the Burkes (ship not the person) having to do everything because the navy failed to replace the Tico's or the Perry's that were the backbone of the 609 ahip navy.
>>64438664>Bombers are missilesLmao>>64438690>Destroyers are battleships LMAAOOOOOOOO
>>64438724Anon, what do you think bombers carry?
>>64438681Someone wasn't paying attention during the Red Sea crisis.
The poopskin fears the Anglo Skynet
>>64438704Me personally, I am sympathetic to the urge to have almost every blue water ship being Aegis capable.
>Golden FleetWhy does everything have to be GOLD with this guy
>>64438744He embodies how a poor man thinks a rich man lives.
>>64438751Which is why he's so popular with blue collars despite his flaws. He appeals to prole drift.
>>64438740That's fine. I think you can have a Aegis capable corvette that weighs about 7,500 tons. Give it 32-64 VLS, a good sonar, and a hanger and you've got a fantastic "low-end" ship to spam. I think that's what the Navy tried and failed to do with the Constellation.
>>64438762He also didn't run the country into the ground out of spite. Trump is the product of the failure of 30 years of post-cold-war thinking enabled by both parties. I blame Francis Fukuyama.
>>64438767Maybe there's some desk jockey at DoD who has convinced someone higher up that the Europeans will fulfill the low part of the mix for the US.
>>64438585>battleships>look inside>Heavy Cruisers Welcome Back Alaska Class
>>64438585one giant le hecking battleship>operation yank-go
>>64438782Part of the problem is U.S. shipbuilding industry is doodoo. If we were smart, the Navy would create a modular hull-form that can be made at any U.S. or allied shipyard, launched, and then fitted with American weapons and sensors it wants. That way we could take advantage of yards in places like Worst Korea or Finland while also using U.S. components.
>>64438787I bet the owners of Bath and Ingalls both are too happy to just have the Arleigh Burke go on forever, so that they never have to retool.
>>64438775Its refreshing and I hope both parties get more populist spines after he's an afterthought. I don't want Caesarism, but I want an actual populist for once that seems to listen to people. He may be a bit too reactive and wishy washy on foreign policy but I love his domestic policies.
>>64438787or we trump could just bring back shipbuilding like he promised he would. there is tons of empty waterfront in camden,south philly, newark, and wilmington that would be perfect for that purpose
>Be captain of destroyer in the Carrierstrikegroup pingpong assigned to patrol the waters of chingchong under the supervision of dingdong>Radar picks up a large ship approaching from 300kms away>Launch 2 missiles>Watch with anticipation as youll score a kill and get +500social credits>All your missiles are shoot down>Repeat again with even more>One manages to get trough>But ship doesnt stop>Pingpong finishes all its stockpiles>Wait for hours as contacts start getting nearer>Watch in horror as 100000 tonns of steel come trough the mist>Fire your punny cannons at it>Shells ricochets in to the water>Clank clank>The hum of chinesium forged motors comes to a halt>Three twelve inch holes in the engine compartment>That's like 30 centimeters for those of you in gay countries>Chinesium ship taking on water>Hong Fong taking a bath in the engine room, essential oils for his hair routine>Ship is going down>Captain Ho Lee Fook
>>64438795I wonder how complicated it would be to lengthen the Burke. Make it 20-30% bigger, give it an extra 32 VLS, and a bigger power plant for direct energy weapons. Turn it into a cruiser that can sail around with 2-3 frigates like Zumwalt intended.
>>64438802Personally I think VTOL jet drones and submersible drones are going to be our future. The age of large ships may be closing in favor of drone swarms.
>>64438802either way, whether it's U.S. yards or otherwise, the Navy needs an easily producible frigate. If they can make it here, all the better.
>>64438807>somehow the Jeune École returned.
>>64438804https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great-class_destroyer
>>64438585>golden fleetWTF is it with Donald and gold
>>64438828fucking fund it
Wasn't Trump supposed to curb the spending on stupid shit Biden and Obama started?
>>64438834he's transslavic
>>64438834wdym?
>>64438864At this point who fucking cares about the foreign policy his domestic policy isn't retarded. Long live the American Empire.
>>64438874same vibe
>>64438585Based.
>>64438804>bigger power plant for direct energy weapons.Make CGNs Great Again
>>64438744>the ship is America sinking under the deadweight and hubris of Trump
>>64438802Yeah im not gonna say that i agree with him on everything, but finding a way to revitalize the US ship building industry is definitely something that he should power through with
>>64438905We are rising again. Keep coping and seething, loser.
>>64438916>We are rising again.Sure buddy, sure.
>>64438920Your country has never been even a regional power in the modern era, silence.
>>64438916lol
>>64438658SS Shattlebip
>>64438803this is so stupid, as if ashbms impact the armor belt.
>>64438631Cute Atlanta>>64438658None, and no current missile could penetrate a battleship's belt, but several could penetrate their deck armor if they used a Javelin-style top down attack profile.
>>64438916>The rising pressure gauge means we are going up, retard. >No, this won't horrifically implode.
we're back. These with laser and more drones escorted by cheap corvettes are a good idea
>>64438704I don't fucking care if it was just a design study, we should have built the Cruiser Baselines as a Tico replacement, it combined all the best parts of the Tico and the Burkes
>>64438665>itt, what is terminal guidanceRetard.
>>64438732What terminally guided ballistic missiles were used by the Houthi?
>>64439077>None, Only because they were withdrawn from service because of the development of AShM and torpedoes that would rape them.>and no current missile could penetrate a battleship's beltHuh? A P-15 Termit, from 1960 and still in service today, would penetrate the belt of any battleship that's ever been built. Sunburn, Shipwreck etc would as well, and it's all besides the point because it would be trivially easy to build one that would just by making a wider AShM.
>>64438787Lmao what do you want LCS 2: Electric Boogaloo?
>>64438803>launch another 6 missiles>all hit>register massive explosion>~2000 yanks drown or burn to death in their obsolete 100000 ton shitpile>get decorated by winnie for essentially clubbing a baby sealFTFY
>>64439281Interesting how foreign communist shills keep referencing astroturfed far left radical violence
>>64438585How are they gonna pay for it? The US government is shut down, they're doing an illegal GoFundMe of billionaires just to pay the troops, where is the money to build a battleship yard and a bunch of warships coming from?
>>64439428>retard can't actually read and form coherent thoughts>he just goes through his NPC dialogue treeYeah, I get that you're stupid, but you don't need to tell everyone.
>>64439424damn you got him man china numba won
>>64439077>None, and no current missile could penetrate a battleship's beltIt's even worse than I remembered and posted in >>64439414. Most current infantry HEAT weapons could penetrate the thickest armor of any battleship ever built at its thickest point. Yamato's thickest armor (the turret faces) would have to be nearly twice as thick as they were to prevent penetration by even a Hellfire, and they were already 50% thicker than her belt at its thickest point. You could built small parts of a battleship from NERA/spaced arrays, but not a whole belt and not economically even compared to using STS.The level of delusion that battleshipfags need to achieve to remain battleshipfags is wild. Like, an infantryman with a $1000 AT4 can penetrate the main belt of Yamato. You have to be absolutely insane to think this is a good idea, and not deranged and senile rantings.
>>64438585unless Japan is building Yamato 2.0 with beyond horizon rail guns and complete anti missile laser defense systems I don't want it
>>64439610>it's the year 2095>Finno-Korean Hyperwar II is about to kick off >Nu-IJN is still pagodamaxxing
>>64438704>the 609 ahip navy.'tard navy?
>>64438585>Heavily armed warships carrying hypersonic missiles supported by corvettesIt's not too late for Zumwalt and Independence!
>>64439732pagodas were ahead of their timeELECTRONICS BLOATMAXXING
>>64439788>ELECTRONICS BLOATMAXXINGYou are like little baby, watch this:>Nuclear battlecruiser with all of its weapons removed to make room for computers and radars>Maximum speed of 20 knots because the computers draw so much of its available power>scrapped after 30 years of sitting at anchor without ever putting out to sea
>>64439580You do realize that they had HEAT back in WWII, right? They couldn't penetrate armor that thick which is why they needed a ton of mass going really fast. Even if a P-15 could penetrate (doubtful), the damage would be significantly less than a 16" shell due to the smaller diameter hole and lack of mass/bursting charge entering the ship. I'm not even a battleshipfag saying this, I already said that top attack missile (or even AP bombs) invalidate battleships, but shaped chargefags are on a whole other level of delusion.
Honestly it would be better to through more money at the B-21 and munitions for it, then base it appropriately. That will be better at countering the chink navy than whatever overburdened slop design the admirals shit out.
As sick as tits as battleships arethere's no need for old style battleship gun platforms. If we aren't handling naval battles from BVR we're retarded. That said. We should have one battleship for bombardment like we used in the gulf war just because a battleship shelling ground targets is absolutely, unrepentantly bitchin'
>>64439882once lasers and energy storage git gud BBs will be the future again. Rail guns launching hypersonic projectiles over the horizon project power wherever needed and laser defense systems will eliminate any incoming flying threat. AI powered optical targeting systems would even eliminate stealth planes.
>>64439882Now that we have precision guided munitions, shells don't need enormous explosive charges anymore. Now that shells don't need enormous explosive charges, they don't need to be fired from big guns. Now that the guns don't have to be big, they can be installed on more reasonably sized ships. If naval gunfire bombardment is important, the way to go about it is by restarting Zumwalt production.
>>64439424You forgot>score a single hit>the billion dollar steel tub is now just that, blind because you can't armor radar and external sensors>giggle to yourself as it sails around in circles looking for you for an hour before you finally launch a secondary strike that puts a hole in it because the point defense systems are trying to be manually aimed
>>64439904That sounds pretty reasonable. I don't know shit about that kind of thing, but I can't imagine that technology is close enough that building the platforms at this time would be useful. Building them with conventional naval guns and converting them in the far future seems like a waste. Now, if those were say 5 years or 10 years away, starting on those platforms and having them finish about the time those weapons are ready to be installed on them, that would be reasonable. But even then, still keeping one conventionally gunned battleship for the fuck yeah 16 inch gun bombardment would be cool. Impractical, but cool.
>>64439904you don't even need energy storageif you make a ship big enough and fast enough it will have so much power you can divert 100 MW to a megalaser whenever you feel like
>>64438676Hah jokes on you.. I stacked all my ships on top of each other…
>>64439580the main belt has significant voids and bulk heads behind it, so even if the main belt is penetrated it would still absorb nearly all the energy followed by meter thick spaced hallways and metal bulkheads before it ever reached anything importantthe T-72Bs hull armor could resist HEAT rounds using only 5 layers of steel with air pockets in between themso a 400mm thick armor plate, a meter thick airgap, a steel bulkheead, and then another air gap would accomplish much the same thing
Why don't we have battleships with laser-guided shells that aircraft can provide terminal guidance? A 12" gun is basically a GBU-16 launcher
>>64439867>You do realize that they had HEAT back in WWII, right? They couldn't penetrate armor that thick which is why they needed a ton of mass going really fast.You're close to right, but still absolutely wrong. HEAT was brand new. The first HEAT weapons were fielded during WWII, not before it, and the first actually useful HEAT weapons were fielded as or after the last battleship was laid down. They still sucked and no one fielded any big ones during the war, only very small ones. The parameters and mechanism of action were still poorly understood and no one knew that they would be as penetrative as they ended up being.The first HEAT weapons came into service in 1940, and were absolutely shit and only could have been used for top attack anyway, which SAP bombs could do. It wasn't until rockets were developed and mated to them that they became useful at all, and that didn't happen until 1942 (last battleship was laid down in 1941). Even good WWII HEAT was only doing 1-2* its diameter in penetration and it wasn't until postwar research that we learned you could reliably and easily get 4-6 diameters of penetration and how to do it, or that much more was possible with effort. At that point, armored ships were done for good, since it was clear that no practicable amount of armor could ever withstand HEAT of the size an AShM (let alone nuclear weapons).HEAT AShMs weren't the only thing that killed the battleship, but they were a huge factor. Anti-battleship AShMs were put into service by the Soviets specifically because they were worried about reactivated western battleships operating under air cover, and doing it resulted in even those being deactivated.
>>64438658Moskva
>>64440233Spaced armor doesn't work the way you think it does. It works by diffracting the jet - the size of the air gaps isn't bigger = better, it's about having certain angles and multiple gaps. Spaced armor, a different thing, is what you're thinking of, but it's complicated by the fact that you want the armor configuration the other way around (whipple shield then main armor), but the configuration of battleship armor would be ineffective as spaced armor.A P15 termit's HEAT lance would penetrate a little more than 4 meters into Iowa at the thickest part of her belt. The difference from spacing etc is only about a quarter of a meter of total penetration. It's enough to penetrate the citidel. We don't have good armor models for Yamato for me to do finite modelling with, but I doubt she'd fare much better. You can also build wider than Termit, there was just never targets irl that needed it.Finally, T72 etc do it using composite arrays. You can't make a battleship out of those.
>>64440233All soviet tanks after the 1970s were designed to stop HEAT mainly with Kontakt, many of older variants were upgraded with them instead of adding the more complex and heavier composite addons of the 1970s. The spaced steel armor was a design for the more problematic kinetic penetrators, and it was a huge improvement in protection and by weight. Against tandem HEAT they developed more iteration of ERA.
>>64438744That's just how Trump is. He likes stereotypical displays of wealth which means gold. For better or worse the guy just loves gold and ornate shit. See the ballroom and oval office decorations.
>>64440262>Finally, T72 etc do it using composite arrays. You can't make a battleship out of those.All you need to do is armor the citadel, gun/missile magazines, and propulsion/power generation. Even though spaced armor isn't as simple as that as you said, larger size and increased compartmentalization does give ship designers much more leeway than on smaller ships to construct protective arrays against both perpendicular and plunging fire. Also, though this isn't really related to the original anon's point, I'm predicting that future large surface combatants are more likely to rely on the outer layers of the survivability onion than actual armor beyond what is typical on carriers. Probably lasers, increased proportion of VLS cells dedicated to interceptors, semi-submersibility, etc.
>>64439407>itt what are ballistic missileschinkmutt hapa
>>64440262What if you put a layer of ceramic armour overtop? Allegedly it works by dispersing the charge jet over a larger angle, because it breaks into very fine very hard powder, so if you had, say, a ceramic plate (with a 1/2" steel backing to keep it in place) spaced with a 3 or 4 foot gap, wouldn't it work even better than on tanks? No tank can afford the armour spacing a battleship can.I have looked up studies on spaced armour vs shaped charges but without a ceramic layer it doesn't seem to do much without extremely large spacing. I never saw one that addressed ceramics though.>>64440253not a battleship, not even closeThe only battleship sunk by a guided missile was Roma in WW2
>>64438744https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0gNJ090JA
>>64438585they are literally describing zumzumwalt disney
>>64440340>All you need to do is armor the citadel, gun/missile magazines, and propulsion/power generationNigger, that's what a citidel is. That's exactly how they did Iowa etc an all aon battleships. Fuck off and read a book you fleshy LLM, you fucking cretin. Navies were in love with battleships even harder than dipshits like you are, but they didn't want to die at sea so they faced the facts that armor wasn't a viable strategy anymore and stopped building battleships.
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>>64439940>US ships are not datalinked
>>64440555>all that capacity>still can't build a navy with half USN's tonnagethoroughly unimplessed
>>64438585>Golden fleetI am going to KILL that fat fuck. Everything is gold to him, except actual gold, which is too expensive and should be replaced with gold paint.
>>64440555And yet US Navy still significantly outclasses Chink navy and coast guard in tonnage, without even counting US CoastiesIs this annually? Sauce?
>>64440555>”new” aircraft carrier is a fucking steamship implessive 1910s technology
>>64438849HHI offered it to the Navy as a replacement for the current flight 3, but they turned it down because it has got to be made in the US.
>>64440581>And yet US Navy still significantly outclasses Chink navy and coast guard in tonnage, without even counting US CoastiesSame for the Royal Navy in the webm at the start of WWII. The increase in US tonnage came during the war. And for that to be possbile there has to be shipbuilding capacity in place.>Is this annually? Sauce?A leaked US Navy briefing slide. Via: https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/chinas-shipbuilding-capacity-is-232-times-greater-than-that-of-the-united-states/
>>64438585>a fast heavily armed warship reminiscent of a battleship, armed with long range hypersonic missilesThat’s a cruiser, not a battleship. OP is a faggot. It’s not a battleship if isn’t armored with like a minimum 1 foot thick hull and meant to form a battle line. Maybe we could call it a supercruiser or a battlecruiser, but I think we should call them goldencruisers.
>>64440531Hang yourself immediately dumbfuck. You have to be fucking braindead to believe that it's impossible to create a composite armor array capable of defeating at least one hit from a large caliber Soviet-style ASM, especially within the loosened weight and space constraints of large warship with an all or nothing armor scheme. If tank armor is any indication, it's fucking trivial in comparison to protecting against kinetic projectiles unless your attacker is using something ridiculous and impractical like a triple shaped charge the size of an entire plane. Having some modicum of protection, even if not in the same form as BBs, is obviously not an outmoded idea and is still exercised in modern ship design, unless you're ok with your expensive ship and its crew getting fucking vaporized in one shot from otherwise preventable catastrophic damage like a T-72.
>>64438585>battleshipWhy stop there, bring back the Dreadnought
>>64438744maybe he is Persian
>>64440701Ships of the line with broadsides of railguns.
>>64438626xitter screenshots should be a bannable offense
>>64438585sounds shit desu are they trying to cripple the US as a military power?
>>64440320He wasn't so vain in that respect when he was young. He used to have actual taste.
>>64438614>USA circa WW2 could clobber any other nation on the planet today.nah, dones and any modern Euro military would shred WW2 USA,nuclear subsEuro fightersNerve AgentsMedium range missilesAnti ship missilesAttack helcoptersHelipcoptersLeopard TanksSemi automatic hugh capacity infantry riflesBody armour Let alone shit like matador Vs P51sModern Radars and SonarsCluster munitionsSemi automatic heavy artilleryWW2 was a loooooong time ago
>>64438864Absolutely nothing stupid on spending money on the US Navy.
>>64442038There is on gold plated missile boats built the size and armour of a ww2 battleship and powered by oil.
>>64442045where did you take the gold plated part from, anon?
>>64442038This bullshit is exactly teh retarded kirov class Russian cold war era b ig missile battleship concept. It was shit then and it is shit now. You are talking about the USA switching to peak socirt idiocy concepts and strategies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov-class_battlecruiserOne sqadron of F35s could sink half the Chinese navy without breaking a sweat
>>64442054Read OPs shitty literally who twitter screenshot and that will be come clear
You just might live long enough to see Supreme Commander tier 3 naval units exist in the real world.I, for one, prefer the kinetic bombardment via large caliber railguns, but realistically the winner is a high speed "cruise missile" hauler.
>>64440609We both know that a war between America and China would be enormously different from WW2. It's an all or nothing scenario, for the most part in that initial dice throw. The only things that would really survive long-term attrition are the subs. Ship building capacity would be eliminated. It's not like you can construct shit when your yards are conflagrations. I say that for either side.
>>64442238If only the US had allies with shipbuilding capacity, oh well.
>>64442238You can't kopenhagen either China or the US. Both are continent sized countries. Any war would exactly not be like "an all or nothing scenario, for the most part in that initial dice throw", but a prolonged effort where the industrial capacity to replenish the losses is far more important than the initial force setup.
>>64438658I don't know. Pick any battleship that wasn't sunk by another weapon. Missiles rendered the entire concept obsolete and effectively killed all remaining battleships in existence.
>>64438724>Bombers carry missilesCorrect. Roma was sunk by a guided glide bomb. Aka a missile without an engine.
>>64440558>muh datalinkWhat part of "external sensors and antennas are all fucked" did you fail to understand?
>>64439473>china numba wonThat's the point, retard. You don't have to be mumba won to sink a shitty, obsolete garbage can. The average fucking thirdie with some 70's-era surplus AShMs can do it.
>>64439867Retard. Nobody had anti-ship sized HEAT munitions in WWII.>Even if a P-15 could penetrate (doubtful)Doubtful to the utterly clueless only. P-15s armor penetration is literally over TEN TIMES the armor belt thickness of any battleship ever built. We're talking figures measured in FEET here.>the damage would be significantly less than a 16" shell Also incorrect. On a P-15 hit you now have a ~20-30 feet deep and 3-5 feet wide tunnel through your ship, and every compartment breached gets a nice fat load of up to several hundred kilograms of burning rocket fuel shoved into it as a cherry on top.
>>64442561>anti-ship sized HEAT munitions in WWII.Because conventional shells are a better solution for normal guns. Range and accuracy needs muzzle velocity, cross sectional density and rotation, so a SC wouldn't be better.You have to search for different classes of weapon, slower, to find SC as anti-ship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistel >Torpedoes or visual range plunging trajectories with conventional SAP (maybe guided) bombs were enough for that war.
>>64442561>Retard. Nobody had anti-ship sized HEAT munitions in WWII.Not him but some kamikaze planes had bigass shaped charges.>Ki-167 "Sakura-dan": "Special Attack" (kamikaze) version equipped with one shaped charge thermite bomb of 2,900 kg (6,400 lb) in the fuselage behind the crew cabin. The shape of the bomb conducted the blast forward, projecting a jet capable of reaching nearly a mile with a maximum blast radius of 300 m (980 ft).
>>64442031As you age, you progress mentally but not necessarily what we'd call "maturity". Some people have their own trajectory and they progress down some dark path.What I mean is, assholes sometimes get better and assholes sometimes just become bigger assholes.Someone like Trump has nobody to reality-check him on his bullshit because nobody really liked him and people were always just either using him or avoiding pissing him off because they shared a social group together. So no one who he'd actually listen to, would bother telling him that he needs to get a grip.So he just gets worse and worse.If poor people pull this shit, they either get locked up or taught a harsh lesson and rejoin the herd.So it's kind of a rich people's thing to get into a death spiral of taste and sometimes cult bullshit, because you're such an asshole that nobody cares what you do to yourself.Trump isn't unique in most of his worst traits, loads of people in those circles share many of those traits but not usually worst aspects of mental illness and inherited wealth that Trump has.
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>>64438614Yeah, is there any force today that could have 100 ww2 carriers, with around 30 to 90 airplanes?At minimum this is 3000 airplanes.
>>64442808Would be absolute mogged by AShM lol
>>64442032Lmao there's only one "modern" military. Your faggy euro countrylet wouldn't even respond to the invasion for the first twelve hours.
>>64442846Modern England, without support, could not recognize the threat, mobilize and destroy the entire US Navy circa WW2 before London was turned into a smoking crater.If you flatten London you end the English state, instantly. The tactical differences between individual pieces of equipment could not matter less.
>>64439424>Implying the Chinks can hit the broad side of a barn with the missiles they supposedly have but probably don't work staffed by undernourished bug people with no education other than party propagandaSure thing, Chang.
>>64442425It truly would. Do you recognize the vast gulf of difference between then and now in terms of effectiveness of the weapons involved? Have you seen the massive, reinforced sub pens in France? Seen the damage done to them by random, unguided bombs? This is not the same world, not even close. If you knock out the capacity to build ships, the time it would take to rebuild any capacity whatsoever is measured in years. Only to have precision strikes remove that capacity once more. America's immense ship building capacity during WW2 was strictly because there was nothing anyone could do about it. Look at every other nation during that time and tell me with a straight face that they were able to churn out ships at all. Have you read into what the fuck happened after 1942 with Japan? They were, at a time, so far away that it necessitated building over a dozen planes which would carry just enough fuel to allow them to cumulatively refuel a single plane to go on a single mission out of China. And even with such immense logistical difficulties, America absolutely decimated Japan's capacity to rebuild their fleet. Do you have your head on straight? It is an all or nothing dice roll. If you sink the American fleet, you can eliminate America's ability to counter attack. If you sink the Chinese fleet, you can eliminate China's ability to counter attack. That is why the singular assets that would survive this engagement would be the submarines, and they could still do untold damage depending on how they are equipped and what they target. This isn't building quadcopters, that you can do in any place with a fuckin' roof. This is laughably complex process with an enormous amount of heavy industry.If the Chinese sink the American fleet and then burn Newport to the ground, what do you think happens? We can just rebuild it and China will sit around with their cocks in their hand?
>>64439424Has a Chinese warship been confirmed to hit one target six consecutive times (or any six targets within the same hour) in recorded history?
>>64442974>If the Chinese sink the American fleet
>>64442977YES. I am providing context to both scenarios, equal weight. If America sinks the Chinese fleet, the Chinese cannot rebuild. If the Chinese sink the American fleet, then America cannot rebuild. Comprehend that I am illustrating that this is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact that the world is no longer in the decade of 1940. To pretend otherwise, as the Anon who I am replying to keeps insisting, is actually willfully retarded and dishonest behavior. And to clarify, I see no chance of China winning an exchange in the Pacific, I am just stating what happens after. He thinks that China can just magically rebuild their fleet after we turn their shipyards into rubble. Yeah, sure, and I'm Napoleon.
>>64438585>gold card immigration program
>>64440555The numbers are staggering and it's so incredibly stupid how some americans want to simply forget the china's insane industrial lead. That difference right there is bigger than in ww2 with japs vs usa.
>>64442975I don't think the PLA has been confirmed to do anything since forever, so their capabilities are a mystery even to themselves. When they finally find themselves in a war I think they'll find that most of their systems have serious drawbacks they'd never anticipated but a few will be more effective than they'd ever guessed.
>>64440614I've been working on a designmake a ship extremely armoured and extremely fast, use her to chase down enemy ships and shrug off their missiles and so on until you're close in to obliterate everything with guns. Notably, said guns do not need to be that crazy by battleship standards, there are no battleships left to fight. (so my design is IMMUNE against her own guns; not just protected at some ranges, flat out IMMUNE.)even though my design is approaching 400,000 t, it's a battlecruiseror arguably a battleship. A battleship is for the line of battle, or analagously, since the line of battle doesn't exist now, it's meant to take any enemy ship in a slugging match. Battlecruisers though are meant to act independently and hunt down slower and weaker ships.So, if you're the first to build one, she's a battlecruiser, and technically a battleship.The moment the second guy builds one, yours is just a battlecruiser, because that guy probably wants a heavily gunned ship to counter yours, and he's okay sacrificing a bit of speed to do it.
>>64440712Mad drip.
>>64440320>>64442031>>64442675That ornate, crowded Rococo/Louis the XIV style was real popular with many boomers in the late 70s through early 00s.I hate it.
>>64442977Based and Laconicpilled.>>64442987Gay and annoyingly feminine manner of speech.
There is no possibility of getting naval numbers back up while costs stay so absurdly high
>>64442974>It truly would.No it wouldn't.>Do you recognize the vast gulf of difference between then and now in terms of effectiveness of the weapons involved?The most important difference is the transparency of the battlefield. Every surface combatant is being tracked by satellites of a dozen nations at all times.Again, you can't kopenhagen them. There are no surprise attacks anymore except against low-tech insurgents. Equally there are no precision guided munitions except against low-tech insurgents. As Ukraine has proved even a mid tier military can render GPS guidance worthless.What matters in war is the ability to sustain and replenish losses.If you think you could wipe out more than 50% of the worlds shipbuilding capacity in a single attack you are demented. America's 0.1%, however, is a different story.At the peak, during WWII, America's shipyards could pump out one liberty ship in just under 5 days. China's shipyards today pump out one container ship, each of which is about 10x the size of a liberty ship, every 9 hours. Last year the giant shipyards of Changxing Island alone manufactured more ships tonnage-wise than all of America's shipyards combined since the end of WWII.IT'S. OVER.
>>64443025People are not underestimating Chinese steel overproduction and industrial dominance anon, it's on the minds of a lot of people.
>>64444276China has yet to produce a single ton of modern warship, ever.
>>64444276>a mid tier military can render GPS guidance worthless.please detail, I am interested howalso, is it fair to have a massive battleship to go shoot up Chinese shipyards because missiles won't go there?
>>64444696https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gave-up-sending-ukraine-100k-excalibur-shells-hit-targets-2024-5
>>64443025This. China has the industrial advantage. US can't manufacture shit anymore. US acts all mighty now but in a real war, once the best weapons stockpiles are spent, those with the best and most efficient industry and supply chain will win.
>>64439580>You could built small parts of a battleship from NERA/spaced arrays, but not a whole belt and not economically even compared to using STS.Actually, no, anti shaped charge armor isnt technologically complex. They work on the principle of ablative elastic collision. The armor arrays inside tank armors are actually mostly empty space. And you fail to understand that even a very large shaped charge going off 3 charge diameters outside of the ship and projecting a pencil thin jet of molten copper isnt going to do as much damage as a shell or bomb exploding inside the ship. Against such a weapon, a 20 cm belt that covers the entire hull side of the ship would be best. Afterwards you would find a fist sized hole in the belt, and the jet would be absorbed by the ablative armor behind the outer belt. Anti ship missile shaped charges are EFPs fired from a semi armor piercing warhead during its detonation inside the ship. It seems that people think anti ship missiles are like large anti tank missiles that detonate outside of the ship and shoot a jet inside it.
>>64439798I cant imagine how nauseating it must have been to be on the bridge in heavy seas.
>>64440262>Finally, T72 etc do it using composite arrays. You can't make a battleship out of those.The composite arrays in a T-72 are not part of its load bearing structure and they are quite primitive. Composites are much lighter than solid steel and you could have a composite array belt 2-3 meter thick behind the outer steel armor. This would have an armor protection value against HEAT of about 5-8 meters of steel.
>>64440581>And yet US Navy still significantly outclasses Chink navy and coast guard in tonnage, without even counting US Coasties>Is this annually? Sauce?Yes and this is due to each US carrier massing 100 000 tons and the helicopter deck LHAs 45 000 tons etc etc. The chink navy has lots of small coastal ships boosting their numbers while doing next to nothing for their total tonnage. This tonnage gap will shrink as the chinks build more and more large surface combatants.
>>64443547>boomer meme leaves out that Phillip then proceeded to do exactly that
>>64442651>The shape of the bomb conducted the blast forward, projecting a jet capable of reaching nearly a mile with a maximum blast radius of 300 m (980 ft).I believe this is a misunderstanding, it would be able to throw burning thermite in a ballistic path for a mile, but it would not generate a jet capable of reaching a mile.
>>64444696>>a mid tier military can render GPS guidance worthless.>please detail, I am interested howRussians spoof gps guidance in ukraine, making excalibur shells worthless because they steer off target.
>>64444892>Russians spoof gps guidanceelaborate
>>64444276>Single attack Who the fuck said that? Where did I assert that anywhere? You still have yet to propose precisely how a shipyard is rebuilt or capable of pushing out military vessels while it's actively being destroyed, you smooth brained imbecile. You are doing the weirdest set of mental gymnastics I've seen in a while. Do you sincerely believe that during Dresden the factories there were able to continue manufacturing at peak capacity until they turned into ash? Do you not understand that Germany's manufacturing capacity was attrited despite the severe technological hurdles and danger? Where the fuck do you think the phrase, "The bomber will get through." comes from and what it applies to? Good God. You are acting as if you can't destroy a shipyard despite this being a thing that happened many, many times in WW2. And worse, you're acting like either side could magically work through precision strikes. Finally, you ass, you do not need GPS. There are other ways to direct precision ordinance from a distance without GPS that cannot be jammed. What the fuck do you think an inertial guidance system is? God damn you are one insanely stupid asshole. I am convinced that you're a Wumao that thinks shipyards are magical fairylands that are impervious to being knocked out. Christ Almighty.
>>64444948>a shipyardWho the fuck said that? Where did I assert that anywhere?China has HUNDREDS of shipyards.
>>64438585>let's make X because it's cool! I have Trump fatigue.
>civilization advancement schedule already hamstrung from religious dark ages>200+ years of industrialization but species still stuck on floaty boatyThis solar system is either deep within a superior civilizations territory, or protected by some babysitting space mercenary contract, pretty sure you tards would have been invaded by now, statistically impossible to get this lucky
>>64438803>>The hum of chinesium forged motors comes to a halt>>Three twelve inch holes in the engine compartment>>That's like 30 centimeters for those of you in gay countries>>Chinesium ship taking on water>>Hong Fong taking a bath in the engine room, essential oils for his hair routine>>Ship is going down>>Captain Ho Lee FookCHING-CHONG DING-DONG
>>64444894>>Russians spoof gps guidance>elaborateAnon posted a link earlier. Excalibur has a dual gps and inertial guidance system, in case of gps jamming, the intertia system is supposed to take over control, but the russians spoof the gps system instead of jamming it. Spoofing in this context means feeding the gps system false wavefronts making it believe its actual position is not where it is, leading to the guidance electronics steering the shell off course and it hits 1000 feet off target with great precision. This also killed the ground launched small diameter bomb system which uses a guidance system that also was from SAAB aerospace.
>>64438744calling the New White Fleet is racistplus the possibility of slipping and calling the New White Flight and nogs rioting over whitey paying for even less of their free shit
>>64438802>there is tons of empty waterfrontempty waterfront is not the problem of shipbuilding, anon please
>>64440581Now divide that US tonnage across its AoRs
>>64444870What happens when the chinks finally feel safe enough to deploy one of their CVNs for more than 72 hours after building 5 of them and only the realize that the entire class have crippling logistical and sustainment problems?
>>64438585>capital ship/destroyer MaxxingAn interesting strategy, with meritThe US does have very bad manpower/labor/indutrial capacity shortages though, how will this make those problems go away?
>>64445367They are only operating them in the pacific for now, not that hard to sustain themIn the long term I don't even see them maintaining a massive fleet forever
>>64445231>posting zigger liesLMAO
>>64438631>11 million ton navyFUND IT
>>64445295enlighten me
>>64439843>NATO reporting name: Kapusta, Russian for "cabbage")kek
>>6444483810,000 more 1940s fishing ships isn't going to win anything chang.
USN will do very very well at first, but if nukes fail to nip the bud before WW3 turns into a war of attrition..
>>64439882This, and also Battleships are fucking sexy, and we should have one or two for floating up and down other countries’ coastlines and showing off.
Hitler's Maus tank.
>>64440555>Look at all these poorly made gigaslop ships crewed by poorly trained and never tested chinksOooh, so scary
>>64446188If you "do very very well at first" you've destroyed the coast of China and every dam on the Yangtze in a month.
>>64446188The American advantage in WWII was not so much its quantity of industry, but that it was so far from the front it could not be attrited by enemy action, and was effectively self sufficient in terms of energy and material inputs. China has neither of these advantages, they rely on Middle Eastern oil as well as Australian coal and iron, none of which will be getting to their ports in a war scenario. Their major shipyards are all contained in the combat theatre the war will be fought in, they cannot be expected to safely perform work during a war. American shipyards have much lower output, but Pascagoula, Bath Iron Works, and Electric Boat are all on the other side of the world and are not being hit without the use of ballistic missiles. In a hypothetical WWIII there is no equivalent to America in WWII. It is the US occupying the role of Great Britain and China playing the role of Germany. China is at a severe geographical disadvantage in this scenario that will erase many of their starting industrial advantages if the war goes beyond a few months. The decisive naval actions of any Sino-American war will not be fought in the vicinity of Taiwan, but in the Straits of Hormuz and Malacca, where China is at a distinct disadvantage.
>>64446528That seriously won't be enough. Destroy those dams and galvanize the single largest most lopsided birth pyramid in history and suddenly hindsight will be 20/20.
>>64442723underated
>>64446745What's chang going to do about it?
>>64445174Hello, Kang.
>>64438585>BATTLESHIPWent the way of the dodo bird because they are so easy to sink with airpower and since then the airborne threat has only gotten worse. This is just orange pedo doing zombie Reaganism again
Here's my design. USS New Jersey for scale.--make it long and thin for SPEED--needs to chase missilecucks down--ceramic armour on a steel shell 3 ft over the main armour--armour continuous around hull (keel and deck) and welded for structural use (saves weight, allows armour to be even thicker)--44" armour (not anymore, new design has 36" plus a 12" turtleback)--shit ton of nuclear power (seriously, you need 1 or 2 Chernobyl reactors under the deck)--why not use some of that power for LASERS?>missiles coming in>megawatt lasers vaporise the biggest ons>smaller missiles smack into hull and explode without serious damage--ram bow--20" cannons for fighting battleships--15" cannons for still being massive overkill on everything else, and cheaper
>>64446188You need a common front for a "war of attrition". USA and china don't have them. China can't reliably ship millions of soldiers to america and expect to grind them there. Their ginormous frontline infantry is nigh useless against an enemy the other side of the world
>>64446638>It is the US occupying the role of Great Britain and China playing the role of Germany.Delusional. Germany's shipbuilding capacity was less than Britain's, not 230 times as big.
>>64438585Destroyers, not aircraft carriers, are the modern battleship. They are the most powerful surface combatants afloat. Many are approaching the weight of pre-dreadnought battleships. A modern guided missile destroyer could destroy a mid-20th century battlewagon with ease. If a carrier got into a gun battle with a destroyer, it would be destroyed easily. That is why they need destroyers to escort them.Any navy without destroyers, is like a early 20th century navy without battleships. Destroyers are the modern battleship, and all naval strength should be measured in destroyers, not carriers or SSBNs. They should be considered capital ships.The USN has over 100 destroyers and destroyer-based cruisers.
>>64445936I'd like you to consider this >>64438631 webm related.see how the US tonnage before the war wasn't that out of the ordinary ?see how it exploded after the war started ?that's what will happen if your relationship with china worsens more than it already has. China could probably surpass your total tonnage in one year if they needed/wanted to, but since WW3 is not winnable they choose not to unless they have to while maintaining the capability.But you know this.I know this, yet you keep pretending as if you didn't because you are a fucktard shill sitting in Eglin, wasting tax payer money (which you are too BTW) for fruitless propaganda missions.
>>64443404>based nuclear panzerschiff designertechnically it would be a heavy cruiser, battlecruisers are heavy cruisers that are heavy enough that they can be expected to bring up the rear in a line of battle, i.e. duke it out with battleships if need be
>>64445174the greys are systematically sabotaging our civilization because they've grown fond of probing our bussies and if you do that to spacefaring species the Space UN issues statements of deeb gongern
>>64448477Carrier wouldn't get into a gun battle with a destroyer, it would get into a plane battleBecause it carries planes
>>64445174>religious dark agesI think the Finno-Korean Hyperwar had a much stronger effect on technological stagnation.
>>64448604Harpoon anti ship missiles have a range around 150miles while f18s have a combat range of 4-600 miles and a carrier can outrun a destroyer
>>64448628I question the validity of this graph
>>64445555Digits confirm, although I'd want to see a 11 million ton ship as well.
>>64446188Why? Because most of the USN would have died laughing at China?
>>64448651Well the effect of the destruction of Maldek might be a little exaggerated, but otherwise it's pretty spot-on.
>>64445596not that annonfirst you'd have to build the shipyards and the industries to supply them.then you'd have to increase the production of all the component parts that go into the ships such as radars, electronics, engines ect.finally you'd need to find and probably train from scratch the personnel you'd need to lay down the hull and then fit the components.all personnel involved in all of this would ofc have to be vetted and give appropriate clearances.so it isn't as easy as forcing tyrone into a welding class finding a suitable bit of coastal or riverine real estate to build the drydocks on is the smallest and easiest of the challenges you'd face trying to expand USN shipbuilding capacities
>>64448660>african proto-kangdoms mogging the romans in terms of technology
>>64448477>Destroyers, not aircraft carriers, are the modern battleship.destroyers are used as escorts for carrierscarriers are the centerpiece while destroyers are the supportdestroyers are more like cruisers>They are the most powerful surface combatants afloacarriers beat destroyers and by a huge margin>. If a carrier got into a gun battle with a destroyer, it would be destroyed easily. a destroyer would be sighted and destroyed before it even got a chance to fire its missiles by a squadron of fighters
>>64438585Total waste of time.Modern battles need MONITORS and MISSILE MONITORS made from converted oil tankers with hundreds of vertical launch tubes.Battleships are some bullshit from a bygone era of fail.We've moved on as a species, lad.Why is the usa always behind the world's curve?Drones/Missiles rule now.
>>64448530eglin schizo spotted
>>64448743>Why is the usa always behind the world's curve?>Drones/Missiles rule now.the US was one of the first mass-adopters of dronesthey had drones in the vietnam war, they had drones in the gulf warthe entire political-debate about drone strikes began when the US was the first to use armed-drones in a widescale conflictwhen has the US ever been behind in drone technology?
>>64448752We build quality drones that are very expensive, we are looked down on because while don't ductape mortars for $100 diy hobby drones
>>64448752nevera Kennedy died in WWII piloting an optionally-manned naval strike aircraft
>>64438657>>64439333Can we please just build one?
>>64448872what a silly ideacontract Tesla to build a fully automated ship megafactory, standardize on a pattern, build a thousand of the suckers
>>64438585Navy is outdated. A b-21 can drop a quicksink and take out a $10billion target. A bunch of fucking corvettes and small frigates is enough to patrol the waters of the world.The US is going to actually fall at this rate if any of this shit is real. I'll be in a fancy french chateau so who gives a shit at that point. I tried to help and these tards would rather watch the world burn.
>>64448872Navy looked at it. No Bueno. The cost of all those missiles, just sitting there is prohibitive. Its also against the distributive lethality concept which is essential in a China fight because you will take losses - avoiding having your eggs in one basket and whatnot.
>>64449010lol
>>64439407>what is max slant range on reentryRetard.
>>64448723the works of the shitalians pale in comparison to the genius of Yakub.
>>64449010glowing russian hands typed this post
>>64439878Bullshit, sortie rate for B-21s is going to be dogshit, each CVN is generating 200+ sorties a day after Anderson gets obliterated and ACC has like a 15 hour transit time for a single sortie. The answer is we have to recapitalize the naval air wing. There has not been a new naval oriented fighter design to hit US flight decks since the late 1960s. Its bullshit. All our advanced programs where canceled to slop more money on retarded air force bullshit, we needed the Avenger 2 and Advanced Tomcat but got fucking blasted by the Tailhook scandal and there hasn't been an aviator CNO in this century. Fucked up timeline.
>>64449038>all eggs in one basketLike a carrier or a battleship?
>>64449092No way to distribute a carriers air-wing efficiently. With "battleships" a Zum with three hypersonics and an engagement envelope of The Pacific Ocean means distribution is less important because it can operate outside of the threat umbrella and do so with the RCS of a small fishing boat. Im talking about your traditional cruisers and destroyers which have to operate within the most contested parts of the Ao.
>>64449010I feel you, anon.
>>64438589
>>64449072I kneel
>>64448750>eglin schizo spottedIs there only one or is it a catch phrase of Mumbai shills?
>>64448795>we are looked down on because while don't ductape mortars for $100 diy hobby dronesSneering at a high/low mix is a little silly.Ukraine is operating both Bayraktars as well as quadcopters with RPG heads ducttaped to them.
>>64450511The US has a high low mix as well, our low just isn't made of duct tape and vulnerable to EW and sourced from our primary rival.
>>64438585>over ship countWow. So the US Navy is shrinking.Politicians are being chewed out for this in Australia because the Navy will shrink for several years before expanding higher than ever before.
>>64450538>The US has a high low mix as well, our low just isn't made of duct tape and vulnerable to EW and sourced from our primary rival.Neither would Ukraine's if US would step up.
>>64450561Why would the US "step up"? Ukraine is not an American ally and a quick end to the war would leave Russia as a threat to American interests. Much better to let them burn themselves out and then buy up what's left for lunch money afterwards.
>>64450582Something something NAFO hohohohols
>>64450582>Ukraine is not an American allyThey clearly were, Trump fucked that up and pushed them into Europe's arms but they're fighting American's fight so that de facto makes them an ally.Why do you not arm a someone who is fighting your enemy?Because they'd turn on you? Never stopped the USA from arming utter psychos before and Ukraine isn't likely to turn on the west.
>>64446638They are aware of that risk, that's why like other non oil and coal countries it has diversified into renewables that cant be embargoed.
>>64450624Sorry, allow me to rephrase that: the US has no contractual obligation to Ukraine. Also the US is and has been arming Ukraine to fight Russia, just not at a rate sufficient to end the war. Imagine if the US had announced in 2021 that they would be guaranteeing Ukraine's sovereignty and pre-2014 borders. Russia would have had to pack up and go home and they'd still be on NATO's border with practically their entire Soviet stockpile intact. Our real arrangement is much better: we drip feed weapons into Ukraine at a rate that ensures that neither side will ever win. In a few more years, the entire Russian state will collapse, and then the US can step in and rebuild it as an American tributary like Japan or Germany.
>>64443530calling the shit you see in boomers houses 'rococo' is an affront to the termi get why you're calling it that, but it's such a crude and widespread imitation/evolution that i think it deserves its own name
>>64450655This, actively crushing Russia as an enemy will only let the chinks hoover up what is left. And that's worse than losing Ukraine.
>>64450677Chinks will try to hoover up what's left regardless, which is as likely to start WW3 as Taiwan is. But if WW3 is going to happen, we might as well go into it fresh.
>>64450686one would expect them to use limited wars with russia and india as learning exercises in their build up to their actual attempt at the west philippine sea
>>64450655>the US has no contractual obligation to UkraineYou don't need a legal obligation to act in your best interests.
>>64450695>their actual attempt at the west philippine seaHaha, I was talking to a flip online last week who called it that.Is it an official term?
>>64450730lmao surely not, i just think its funny when people calling russia eastern Ukraine, or mainland China western Taiwan and the like
>>64450695Except that the moment the US enters a war with some third world shithole, China invades Taiwan.
>>64438608why is replacing the old ass fuck cruisers we have a "fever dream" shithead.
>>64450856I'm very sorry they're being mean to your prophet.Don't listen to them, he's deffo not a half senile pedophile who knows less about effective defence policy than a dead possum.
>>64450729The US's best interest is the dissolution of the Russian Federation, not the continuation of the status quo.
>>64450966i disagree, the balkanization of russia would bring with it severe risks to security, and not just the risk of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of rogue actors, its much better to let them distract themselves with their retarded border squabble, which is incidentally quite systematically reducing their ability to wage future wars
>>64445367...anon. They've deployed them for months-long shakedown and test cruises.
>>64445596Shipbuilding is extremely work-intensive, dirty, sometimes dangerous and all-around not that attractive of a job. ESPECIALLY when you're an entry-level schmuck with zero experience. What shipbuilding there is in the US right now is in a massive labor crisis because people don't want those jobs even when they pay on par with or somewhat above above white collar work.
>>64451001Which is why the US will have to move in to administrate the remains to ensure global security, which then forces China to either invade, triggering WW3 with China as the bad guys and the rest of the world aligned against them, or pussy out and back down as the US invites themselves to share a land border with them.
>>64447907>breaks apart under its own weight in medium sea states
>>64451048No they haven't. The longest deployment they've done is 24 days, with the next longest being 16 days.Testing sea trials where 80% of the systems are offline and only one is being tested at any given time, owing to zero sortie generation capability does not count.
>>64451085Uh huh. Cool story, bro. $0.02 have been added to your alphabet soup patriotic credit score.
>>64451092Instead of coping and seething, why don't you just prove him wrong?
>>64451076>armour the keel and deck>weld all armourit is now a massive box girder and by my calculations, if picrel bridge ever falls down, you can rest the ship across the river and drive trains on it
>>64451097All he can do is prove me right lolhttps://jamestown.org/program/pla-navy-shifts-training-focus-from-near-shore-to-blue-water-operations/https://news.usni.org/2023/04/25/chinese-aircraft-carrier-shandong-back-in-south-china-sea
>>64438874the obsession with performative theatrics and showing off is really the pristine final touch cherry placed on the icing of the cake that is the decaying of the Ameristani empire
>>64451151Why do thirdies always come up with some phonetic clusterfuck instead of saying America? Are you scared of the word?
>>64451151>redecorating a room>an obsession with performative theatrics and showing off they didnt even replace the chairshttps://www.ahs.com/home-matters/lifestyle/the-evolution-of-the-oval-office-decor/
>kino back on the menuI would like one order of kino, please. With a side dish of kino and a large kino drink. Thank you
>>64451159>Why do thirdies always come up with some phonetic clusterfuck instead of saying America?Seems a bit rude to Canada who are mostly squared away.The southern continent might have a few words too.
>>64438744>>64438834>thanks for the gold kind strangerThat's what's with r/thedonald and gold
>>64452149>>64452149Donald was a child that never got any gold stars in class.
>>64438585And EMALS are gone!:x.com/clashreport/status/1983078643006873749?https://www.twz.com/sea/executive-order-to-go-back-to-steam-catapults-on-new-aircraft-carriers-coming-trump#comments
