A soldier with a kitchen knife VS a bandit with a military knife, who wins?
>>64440149both die from blood loss
The hunter with his skinning knife, because he remembered to sharpen his. He also died of blood loss btw
>>64440149depends, is the bandit from the UK?
>>64440149Kitchen knives make fantastic weapons. Anything good at piercing and slicing meat is good at slicing and stabbing people. So they both die from blood loss.
>>64440149If the soldier knows what he is doing and with a bit of luck he can kill the bandit. However the most logical result is that both of them would die from blood loss.
>>64440260Kitchen knives are brittle steel. Also your hand is going to slide forward into the blade and you're going to cut the shit out of yourself. That hand guard on fighting knives is there for a reason. Kitchen knives were pressed into service in ww era but they tended to be made of carbon steel not stainless like today.
>>64440490Did you know that you can also slice with knives?
I have some webm(One from ukraine) with the guy not dying from bloodloss
>>64440942You can slice with knives, true, but the Stab Chad will always beat the Slice Virgin. By "beat" I mean the Stab Chad will bleed out more slowly from his slice wounds than the Slice Virgin will bleed out from his stab wounds. It is important to remember that both will die of blood loss
>>64440149Soldier wins because he was wearing his armor.
>>64441439Didn't know militaries were still issuing chainmail to everybody
>>64440426Shitty grip used for this dramatized image.
>>64441439>it's another "dumb fucking retard thinks kevlar works against knives" episodereally getting tired of all those rehashes
>>64440149This thread reminds me of the genious that decided to try and rob and abattoir with a knife.Turns out pulling a knife on guys that use knifes 40 hours a week is a bad move.
>>64441589Why the fuck are you robbing a slaughterhouse?
>>64441893meat is expensive
>>64441893>>64441947You gotta risk it, for the brisket.
If both are at least semi competent they're both getting their jugulars fucked
>>64440490>your hand is going to slide forward into the bladethe fuck are you talking about? the bottom of the kitchen knife's blade protrudes far past the front edge of the handle and isn't sharp. many kitchen knives are even wider and beveled there so that you can comfortably butt your index finger up against it.
>>64441469Militaries all over the world are issued plate these days.
>>64440490Depends on the kitchen knife. German knives not so much Japanese knives yes. And the triangular shape works as a hand guard.
Probably the old kitchen knife, not only does the person using it have better skill they have surety that it will not break.
What kitchen knife?
Someone post the video of the asian zigger 1v1ing the ukie with knives only, winning, stuffing a grenade in his chest rig while he bleeds out, and walking away to do an interview with Russhit media about it weeks later.
>>64444435You mean the video where he's covered in wounds and sharding and farding with visible PTSD?
>>64442905That's enough to injure your hand. Just take a kitchen knife if you have one, and push the point into anything with resistance. You'll feel your hand slipping forward, even that part of the back end of the blade is relatively thin and your hand isn't going to be stopped by it. Maybe you could get away with it, maybe not but with no guard you absolutely risk it sliding onto the sharpened edge. It only feels securely gripped when you swing it around in the air. Whatever. Enjoy your stitches and nerve damage.
>>64444503Yeah kitchen knifes practically require reverse grip with thumb over handle.
>>64440149That depends, what level are they?
>>64440490>>64444503>zomg no guard your hand will slide forward I'm triggeredThere's plenty of historical fighting knives that had no guard at all. The infamous knife used in the Sandbar Fight by Jim Bowie was a regular old butcher knife.
>>64444702>Muh hero of myth and legend.Yeah 19th century accounts of frontier combat are super reliable.
>>64444702>There's plenty of historical fighting knives that had no guard at all.Name 10.
>>64444702How can you be so wrong. The very name bowie is cemented in history with the knife he became famous for carrying and using at the sand bar fight. Pic oh so related. Notice anything?
Other guy used a sword cane didn't he?
I think my hand would be just fine with this.
>>64444745Yes, because the blade on that sabatier style knife is flared into an integral guard. I've always wondered why they were made like that.
>>64444734>The very name bowie is cemented in history with the knife he became famous for carrying and using at the sand bar fightThe popular image of a bowie isn't actually modeled on what Bowie used in the Sandbar fight at all. The double-edged clip point knife with a large guard was solely a marketing thing that developed from smiths and knife companies trying to capitalize on Bowie's fame. Tons of historical "bowie" knives were imported into the US from factories in England.If you look at the knives with the most provenance to be closest to Bowie's original knife, you have the Searles bowie. Commissioned by Bowie's brother Rezin Bowie. Pic oh so related. Notice how it doesn't resemble the popular image of the bowie knife at all. Link to the Alamo collection: https://5164.lucideahost.com/argus/final/Portal/Default.aspx?component=AAFG&record=054d4e0e-4941-4ae5-93b5-3ee2185b0666
>>64444776Notice how it still has a guard on the blade. Thanks for the info tho'. Better luck next time.
>>64444734>>64444778Another bowie claimed to be the original is the James Black bowie. It's got a clip point, but notice it's conspicuous lack of guard.Link to a repro in the Alamo collectionhttps://5164.lucideahost.com/argus/final/Portal/Default.aspx?component=AAFG&record=85fe62f6-6b75-498f-8e61-ec373f75b1b9
>>64444786So what you're saying is there are contradictory examples and no one knows for sure.
>>64440149Mutual knife combat is a losing prospect for both parties. Generally whichever individual who has the larger knife that is capable of both slashing and thrusting will have the advantage. It will also matter if the kitchen knife handle is so poor as to create a disadvantage. Otherwise it will be evenly matched. Unclear if the soldier or bandit have relevant training or experienceCan end several ways:>Injury to hand or arm causing loss of control of weapon>both sustain serious injuries before either is incapacitated>one wins in a grapple and presses advantage (submission or kill opponent that is disadvantaged)Least likely: >incapacitation of opponent by CNS or massive hemorrhage
>>64444771Well, it was designed to stab into and and cut up big livestock carcasses all day. I imagine its so your hand doesn't slide down the blade and it more comfortable when it bottoms out on a thicker stop.
>>64444727khyber knifeaikuchishashkayakutian knifelangseaxkardkhukripesh kabzkhanjar/jambiyaleukujackie chan
>>64440149The one who gets his shot off first.
Keep arguing guys were getting some fascinating historical shit as collateral damage lol. >>64444823All of those grips are guards. Except the one retarded one that tapers TOWARD the blade. Nice image.
>>64441453i need to lose weight
>>64444823>khyber knife???Do you i need to proceed when you start with fake first word?
>>64441453Haha diarrhea
>>64445026>start with fake first wordWhat are you even trying to say ESL?
>>64444890>All of those grips are guards??? None of those grips have guards. I think your definition of "guard" is different from the actual definition. The handle may be shaped to make it less likely to slide down, but they still don't have guards.
>>64440149The guy who sold both of them the knives. Always.
>>64445026>There is the straight-pointed Afghan sword, the blade of which broadens to three inches at the handle. The back from point to handle is straight and thick. There is no handguard. John Alfred Gray; At the Court of the Amir: A NarrativeNo guard you stupid nigger.
>>64447922>Sword>KnifeIn any case, the handle is clearly formed to prevent the hand from slipping up onto the blade. Be pedantic and continue to argue that fighting blades knives swords aren't made with that in mind.
>>64448015>Sword>KnifeThe same weapon ranged in size from knife to sword-sized, much like several European weapons.>the handle is clearly formed to prevent the hand from slipping up onto the bladeCool. It still doesn't have a guard though. It's not being pedantic if it's literally what "guard" means.>fighting blades knives swords aren't made with that in mindMany weren't as established >>64444823 here and I can add more. Just because a knife/sword doesn't have a guard doesn't automatically mean their hand is going to slide forward and get cut. People weren't stupid back then and had reasons for choosing to forgo a guard on their fighting blades.
>>64440490lol my comment caused a shitstorm this pleases me
>>64443894plate is useless against knives because the neck, armpits, arms and groin/legs are completely exposed
>>64440490>Kitchen knives are brittle steel.Nnnnno. If anything, kitchen knives are softer than military knives. They're usually made of Stainless Steel which never gets as hard as Carbon Steel anyway so manufacturers never bother quenching the knives. Instead, you're constantly re-honing Stainless Steel because it doesn't want to keep a fucking edge. >Also your hand is going to slide forward into the blade and you're going to cut the shit out of yourself.No, you're hand will catch on the Heel before sliding onto the blade.
>>64444503>even that part of the back end of the blade is relatively thin and your hand isn't going to be stopped by it.Yes it is. The heel is thin but long and as long as you keep your hand closed it's not possible for the hand to slip onto the blade. It'll probably hurt if you stab into bone but you won't be cut.
>>64440149Both get spooked and walk off after sizing eachother up, or whoever ambushes the other guy and lands the first stab. Hand-to-hand combat with weapons is scary and your self preservation instinct is stronger than you think.
