I recently learned that in the '80s and '90s there was a panic in Japan caused by an urban myth that people were being abducted by teams of North Koreans deployed by submarines, and taken back to North Korea. This was caused by random, inexplicable disappearances by people who had no known debts, suicidal tendencies, problems with their personal lives, and the pattern of people disappearing was completely random. This caused hysteria among the population about North Korean submarines, people being terrified to go to the beach near dusk, parents not letting their kids go to the beach alone, etc. The Japanese government said it was nonsense. Just anti-Nork nonsense people were making up to try and explain why some people randomly disappeared. It was an fantastical story, the equivalent of Wal-Marts eating people because incidence of disappearances around Wal-Marts is statistically higher than most anywhere else in the US. Crazy bullshit made up by rumor peddlers, and people grieving over their loved ones disappearing. Then in 2004 Kim Jong-Il suddenly apologized, completely unprompted, for the kidnappings of Japanese citizens from Japan by submarine and returned the few survivors they had back to Japan. The impact this revelation had on Japan is truly insane, but it's not /k/-related. That said, is there any other event in military history that sounds as absurd as this shit, that no one believed because of how crazy it seemed, until suddenly it was proven to be true?
Weapons you say?
>urban mythhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megumi_Yokota
Why is every single socialists like this
>>64441366This is a military action, my man. You may as well claim we can't talk about hostage situations.
>>64441386Fallacy of composition. Socialists make a valid point about how fucked capitalism is, so obviously everything else about them is also must be valid and couldn't do no wrong.
>>64441361>japs decide to convert a Yamato hull into an aircraft carrier named Shinano>project takes years to figure out how to make an 800 ft long, 65,000 ton aircraft carrier work with ww2 technology>in 1944 the Shinano is finally commissioned and launched on her first ever shakedown cruise, a simple run from Yokosuka down the coast to Kure>enter submarine USS Archerfish, sailing right by the coast at the same time>commanded by Cdr Joseph Enright, a timid, unassuming, wallflower of an officer who previously resigned command of his last sub for having a nervous breakdown on the conn, having scored approximately zero kills so far>Enright can't identify the giant fucking ship in front of him so he sketches it out in his notebook then orders a full torpedo spread>Shinano takes hits and sinks due to incomplete construction>back at base, nobody believes Enright and his crew encountered an aircraft carrier that big>Archerfish doesn't get credit for the kill until after the war, when IJN records are found confirming that yes, they did try to build a carrier that fucking huge>oh shit.jpg>Archerfish's record gets updated with the kill and immediately becomes the highest scoring sub by tonnage sunk of all time with only one kill>Enright gets awarded the Navy Cross and becomes a war hero
>>64441361How did the urban myth even start? Someone must've known something.
>>64441361>that no one believed because of how crazy it seemedEverybody believed that Norks were kidnapping people. It's not like the Japanese public actually trusted what the media told them.
>>64441361In Japan old some people think plastic bottles filled with water keeps cats away because they can’t handle the abstract shapes caused by the water shimmer
>>64441670Holy shit, lmao. This is some, "We killed Nephilim in Afghanistan" shit.
>>64441369No one asked you
>>64441670absolutely blessed
>>64441670did they not have a way to take photographs through the periscope?
>>64441815binoculars on the surface is better than 'scope; they dove just before shooting.also it was dark; poor light conditions for film.
>>64441815They did (see pic rel) however in addition to >>64442619 points, there was also the fact that Shinano sank circa 3 hours afterward and the fact that keeping the periscope up long enough would increase the risk of counter-detection from the escorts. Per the wiki for Shinano, she had apparently already detected a radar sweep from Archerfish, but thought she was operating as part of a pack and acting as a decoy of sorts
>>64441757Funny thing, I think I may be responsible for that urban legend. Some time in the '00s, in the early days of /k/, I came across some kind of mystery/cryptid thread and was bored so I decided to write a story about encountering mysterious creatures in the mountains of Afghanistan, heavily influenced by real (non-/x/) stories I'd read from other people here so it sounded pretty authentic. The giant/Nephillim thing wasn't in it, my descriptions were much more vague IIRC, but it was the first Afghanistan military horror story I'd ever seen and the modern versions may have spawned from it.
>>64441736Old people in the rural US do something similar, except they use plastic bags of water and believe this repels flies. Sometimes they put shiny objects like coins or or foil in the bag too.
>>64441736Here in South Africa the bottles filled with water were too ward off dogs from shitting on your lawn. I have not seen this being done recently, maybe all those old people have all died out.
>>64441687Government likely had some idea it was true and there was a leaker. Lot of times that's how it happens.
>>64441670>>Archerfish's record gets updated with the kill and immediately becomes the highest scoring sub by tonnage sunk of all time with only one killWhy are you just flat out lying?
>>64441361it wasn't an urban myth, they did in fact kidnap people from South Korea and Japanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens
>>64443178Retard
>>64441361>Later, North Korea allowed the five victims that it said were alive to return to Japan, on the condition that they return later to North Korea.>However, the Japanese Government, listening to the pleas of the general public and the abductees' families, told North Korea that the victims would not be returning. North Korea claimed that this was a violation of the agreement and refused to continue further talks.kek
>>64443273>"hey so we grabbed you off the beach at night and took you away from everything and everyone you ever loved for years because we needed Japanese teachers for our spy goons/dear leader wanted sushi or whatever, you can go home now but you have to come back">goes home>doesn't come back>how dare youHonestly have a hard time understanding how a country can turn out as unimaginably fucked up as North Korea without even having the excuse of being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity away
>>64441361>I recently learned that in the '80s and '90s there was a panic in Japan caused by an urban myth Not an urban mythMany Japanese were kidnapped and taken to north korea.WARNING THIS IS A INSOFRMATION THERAD BY OUR RESIDENT SHILL FROM PONGYANG BASED IN THE UShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens"In the 1970s, a number of Japanese citizens disappeared from coastal areas in Japan. The people who had disappeared were average Japanese people who were opportunistically abducted by operatives lying in wait. Although North Korean agents were suspected, the opinion that North Korea had nothing to do with the disappearances was widely held. Most of the missing were in their 20s; the youngest, Megumi Yokota, was 13[7] when she disappeared in November 1977, from the Japanese west coast city of Niigata.Some of the victims were abducted to teach Japanese language and culture at North Korean spy schools. Older victims were also abducted for the purpose of obtaining their identities""Abductions of Japanese citizens from Japan by agents of the North Korean government took place during a period of six years from 1977 to 1983.Although only 17 Japanese citizens (eight men and nine women) are officially recognized by the Japanese government as having been abducted, there may have been hundreds of others."
>2005, Iraq>Two SAS members, undercover, were watching an Iraqi police commander who was suspected of being part of the brutal Mahdi Army, a Shia militia organization supported by Iran>They finish their mission and go to leave but are stopped by two plain clothes Iraqi police officers>A scuffle starts and the SAS guys have to fire their weapons to escape>As they escape in disguise in a taxi, they end up hitting a police checkpoint and decide to just explain the situation instead of trying to sneak through>They are instead arrested, taking to the police station and beaten, tortured and put through mock executions>SAS commanders ask for authorization to rescue these members but due to the political situation in Iraq, are denied, due to fragile webs of cooperation in post-liberated Iraq>Instead of accepting this, SAS commanders went to get reinforcements to go and rescue them>Gets a phone call specifically ordering him to stand down and not rescue them>Rejecting the order, the commander gathered 20 SAS members from A Squadron and 40 members of Special Forces Support Group and planned an attack>Fearing a shitstorm happening, British generals send a mechanized infantry platoon to try and negotiate the release of the hostages before the SAS get there, they are denied and attacked by crowds instead>SAS arrive and attack the police station only to find the SAS hostages have been moved already>They plan an ad-hoc assault on the way to the new location>They perform a perfect multi-entry assault on the new compound and end up finding the SAS hostages chained and beaten in a bathroom>Post action the SAS members involved all threatened to walk if the government didn't give post-action authorization to the mission>The government caves and gives it the greenlight, post-dated
>>64441361FUCKING KYS YOU CUNT YOU SHOULD BE DEPORTED
>>64441361>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.LIAR"We have thoroughly investigated this matter. Decades of adversarial relations between our two countries provided the background of this incident. It was, nevertheless, an appalling incident. It is my understanding that this incident was initiated by special-mission organizations in the nineteen-seventies and eighties, driven by blindly motivated patriotism and misguided heroism.... As soon as their scheme and deeds were brought to my attention, those who were responsible were punished.... I would like to take this opportunity to apologize straightforwardly for the regrettable conduct of those people. I will not allow that to happen again."—Kim Jong Il, apologizing for the abductions[
>>64441361>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.LIARThe North Korean government continues to claim that there were only 13 abductees and that the issue has been resolved with the return of the five victims. However, the Japanese government claims that the issue has not been properly resolved and that all evidence provided by North Korea is forged.By May 2004, five abductee victims and their families (10 in total) returned from North Korea. However, a number of alleged victims are still missing. Although then Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda commented on December 24, 2004, that "unless honest measures are taken swiftly, we cannot help but impose strict measures", hinting at possible sanctions.[
>>64441361YOU ARE AN ENEMY TO THE USA AND SHOULD BE INTERNED OR DEPORTED NORKTARD. LIAR. SCUMBAG.>>64441361>Just anti-Nork nonsense people were making up to try and explain why some people randomly disappeared.>>64441361>The Japanese government said it was nonsense.Seventeen nationals are officially recognized by the Japanese government as victims of the abduction issue. The sixteenth, Minoru Tanaka, was added to the list on April 27, 2005, following discovery of evidence supporting the assertion that he was abducted. The seventeenth victim, Kyoko Matsumoto, was added to the list in November 2006.
>>64443344>>64443357>>64443363>>64443376Schizo or just an ADHD retard that can't read an entire post?
>>64443161How is it a lie? That was the largest single target sunk by tonnage by any submarine. Other subs had both more tonnage and far more kills, but in that one case? It was the biggest single target ever sunk by tonnage.
>>64441815No, they couldn't turn the flash off without alerting the enemy
>>64441361>incidence of disappearances around Wal-Marts is statistically higher than most anywhere else in the USThis is because trash people keep killing their kids and trash people love being around shartmarts.>oh shit, she's not breathing!>we'll bury her in the backyard and say she went missing at Walmart>brilliant idea Cletus, I'll grab the keys to the '98 Suburban!When it happens to a middle class family they take an unplanned vacation to the national parks and say they went missing there. It actually happens disturbingly often. Stop killing your fucking kids you freaks.
>>64442967I get all that. Mostly just interested in why on earth wouldnt you take a pic if you possibly could. But even a pic of the thing before sinking would have gone a long way to explaining the "big fish story". "Hey look at this picture of a giant retarded thing I sank" is a way easier sell than "I sank a giant retarded thing, trust me guise"But i mean, also make sure you get it instead of going paparazzi mode and fucking up and letting the thing get away... >>64443675God damn Japanese upskirt camera laws.
>>64443720reminds me of a few years ago when that girl went missing and the boyfriend just randomly drove back home but everyone knew he did it, but he wouldn't say anything until they found her. So they went searching but while they were searching they also found about 20 other bodies while searching the national parks before they even found her.
>>64443720>>64441361I am noticing this thread.>>64442998>>64443720On the US East Coast there are roughly 40-50 active serial killers who are truck drivers, this is determined by the FBI who track their methods and how they dump their victims. Most of their victims are prostitutes and the killers are impossible to track as they often use drug overdoses to cover their crimes as well as their high mobility. I just told everyone reading this thread that all they need to do to become a serial killer is to get a CDL. >>64443769I just told you what happened to her.
>>64443319>without even having the excuse of being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity awayanon what do you think marxism is?
>>64442999This is indeed a meme.Citronella plants are no joke though. Not foolproof, but much better than anything else I've ever seen suggested.
>>64443347This sounds fucking based. You got sauce on this story?
>>6444372070% of the US population lives within 5 miles of a Wal-Mart.
>>64443915I live 26 miles from a paved road.
>>64443352:(
>>64443941i live in the center of the highest density 100km circle in the us
>>64443960In that case I'm damn sure which one of us is more likely to be hit with a atomic weapon and it sure as hell isn't me.
>>64443960You should buy a cabin in rural Maine, a fall back place isn't a bad thing to have.
>>64443178>>64441369do people just read the first sentence of a post then furiously type a reply? how fucking retarded are you?
>>64441796
>>64441361Welp, one more reason never to go to Wal Mart I guess
>>64441361In the somewhat near future when it's confirmed that a cheeky skunk works employee teased the existence of whatever UFO they use for strategic recon on xitter
>>64441369Sorry my fishing boat crew was mighty hungry
>>64443760Cameras weren't cheap back then
>>64441361Also Koreans and also involving kidnapping people in Japan, but this time an exiled South Korean politician.>Be Kim in 1970s>Not a fan of the whole military dictatorship thing under Park>In typical Korean fashion, think the dictatorship is Japan's fault and Koreans are never responsible for the state of their country>Because of this decide to run for president on a platform that is anti-Park, and tough on Japan>Win just enough of the vote that Park starts to sweat>Some random incoming truck just coincidentally swerves at your car a few days after the election>Decide you need to get the fuck out of South Korea and realize the only place that can reasonably protect you is Japan of all places>While in Japan, the Korean CIA kidnap you from your hotel room, put you on a boat, and are seconds from putting a bullet in your head>Suddenly the boat is illuminated by a light>It's a Japanese patrol plane and the JCG are right behind it.>Saved within literal seconds of being killed>Call the Japanese angels sent by God himself>This is all completely buried in South Korea and the public never got more than surface details>Later become president and still keep a stick in your ass approach towards Japan after they let you stay in exile and saved you from execution>South Korea never formally apologizes for conducting black raids on Japanese soil and barely even acknowledges that it happenedThe more you learned about 1950s-1990s SK, the more I realize their word means nothing. They will complain about nips never apologizing for WW2, then you learn that 20 years later the ROKA did 6 Mai-Lai level massacres in Vietnam and never apologized. They complain about internment by the nips, but then you learn they had literal concentration camps until the 1980s. They complain about comfort women being kidnapped and sent to work in brothels abroad, then you learn about "Brothers House" where 200,000 Korean girls were sex trafficked by the Korean government until 1988
>>64443760>if you possibly could.It was 1944, a good 8 decades before everyone ran around with smart phones.
>>64443788>anon what do you think marxism is?Norks are more feudal Joseon than Marxist. It's arguably even more fucked up.
>>64444246I've mentioned the KCIA's activities to young Sorks before and they always think I'm just making it up. Even the Japs now let them pretend that the whole thing never happened.The Sorks have had a successful rebrand, like Japan, but they were likewise complete CUNTS.
>>64443788jej but >>64444246 makes me wonder if it isn't more of a korean/east asian issue.>>64444000So it would seem, so it would seem.
>>64441361>d, is there any other event in military history that sounds as absurd as this shit, that no one believed because of how crazy it seemed, until suddenly it was proven to be true?Unit 684, the South Korean Dirty Dozen. They literally gathered criminals and wanted to train them as the disposable specops for operations in the North. After the complete failure of Dirlewanger Brigade as a military unit, they thought that it's a great idea.
>>64443319>being steeped in some backwards archaic religion to handwave the insanity awayDidn't they make that up to legitimize the regime? Jucche or something?
>>64443586I think the fault lies with ops writing style.
>>64445030Apologize and STFU, schizo.
>North korea was kidnapping japanese to eat themKek
>>64441361On the morning of the attack on Pearl Harbor, Capt Gordon Blake was the operations officer on duty at the Hickam Airbase control tower was meeting up with an old friend before work, and got knocked unconscious when the bombs fell. When he woke up, there was a large Hawaiian man standing over him wearing nothing but riding chaps, who helped him up. When Blake exclaimed that he needed to get back to the control tower, the Hawaiian guy threw him over his shoulder and drove down the runway, dodging Japanese fire. The Hawaiian guy was never seen again during the attack, and when Blake told his story, everyone assumed that he was heavily concussed and hallucinating.As it turned out, the base motor pool was hosting a car show that morning and invited civilians from town in. When the attack started, everyone drove off to help the wounded in their fancy cars and bikes.
>>64444157>>64444257film cameras had existed for over 100 years at that point. They were cheap enough for middle class families to have one. Picrel was literally issued to certain GIs.
>>64443633nta I don't think you phrased it properly in your first post.
>>64445030nah the tard just can't read.
>>64442999The old guy across the street from me does this to keep dogs from shitting on his lawn. It doesn't work. Then again, I put cayenne pepper on my lawn and the dogs shit all over it too, so it might just be that the dogs are something else out here.
>>64444246I'm starting to thing this is a universal slant thing.>Nanjing? Never heard of it.>Nothing happened in Tianamen Square on June 3 1989.And now this.
>>64441361Why the Norks never got kicked to death before they acquired nukes is beyond me.
>>64447780Someone should have thought about that before they gave the Chinese cannons, MLRS and invented Iron Clads before everyone else then played Mao and Stalin like fiddles.Seems like a skill issue desu.
>>64444246>Allegiance>Manchukuo>empire of Japanwhy was he ever kept in the Korean military after that?
>>64451063Why is half of the Yakuza, the most nationalist crime group on earth defacto norks? Asians are weird.
>>64445030Dem white pipo make stuff to hard to read
>>64451063Idk how to tell you this, but like 90% of the ROKA officer corps in the Korean War were ex-IJA officer loyalists because they were the only ones who knew how to fight. The ROKMC was founded based on IJN SNLF doctrine and the early Marines opted to speak Japanese instead of Korean as an internal cultural thing. I also think Japan's anti-communism in WW2 is severely understated and surpasses Germany's. Post-war, a lot of ex-IJA/IJN guys fought alongside countries they occupied just for the chance to destroy communist groups like in the Dutch Indies. If South Korea got rid of them, then there would be no South Korea today. South Korea during WW2 was where all the wealthy families were and the southern peninsula only saw a single bombing raid the entire war. The wealthy families that lived there could afford to send their sons to Japanese military officer schools, but little conscription took place in the South, so the actual combat force was untrained. Most of the conscription and forced labor factory work took place in the North which is why they had such a good early campaign. Bringing this up to any Korean makes them seethe because they can't refute it. The reality is that conditions in the South were very cushy during WW2 and people were quite loyal to the Japanese because of all the infrastructure and social programs implemented. There were almost no anti-Japanese rebel groups in the South and all of them were concentrated in the North where they coordinated with the Chinese. The North is where all the struggle was because Japan focused all the military infrastructure closer to the front lines. That is why the North has such a large military economy and it's what pushed them towards communism. They have the real claims of mistreatment from Japan, but the South has coopted this struggle as their own because they want to appear like their families weren't loyalists even though it was the overwhelming trend in the South.
>>64451180I found the pic I wanted to include.
>>64451180>>64451197You are seething with RoK butthurt and need to calm down a bit however: Almost everything you just rage posted is true. You are exaggerating some things but the basics are truth.
>>64451234>everything you just rage posted is true.Thx not reading the rest of that wall of text btw
>>64451197Holy Sung's Ghost in the Palace of the Sun, i'll need a few days to read all those references and compare them to a certain respected comrades family tree and collected works. Have you looked up how anti Japanese religious movements worked in the north and how a couple of them are still around?>Thx not reading the rest of that wall of text btwRead it, rereading it, memorized and researching first and secondary sources. I'm on volume 3 of the collected works of Kim Il Sung, about 1400 pages. 1600 if you include commentary by North Korean scholars of Juche thought. Each one is longer than the next. He says alot about anti Japanese movements in the South and their SuccessorsThey just released volume 67 of his works, when i get up to there i'll finally be done! Wish me luck!
>>64451272If it dunks on the uppity sorks then good on you
>>64451280Thanks for the support! Nice to meet someone i can have a friendly conversation with. I'm through the first two volumes of Comrade Sung's memoirs and rereading them to prepare my historical background before i finish the third volume and start skimming the fourth one, do you have any advice on what i should research before i can really say i have devoted my life to reading all 67 volumes of the great mans writings?It is a life goal of mine to read everything Sung has ever written.
>>64451305I don't read any of that shit. I just think its annoying that sorks have made their entire cultural identity a massive seethe fest about what was just a typical 20th century colony treatment while the norks who actually have a claim to that shit aren't constantly seething
>>64451330>I don't read any of that shit. Neither have i, i'm 3-4 volumes in and it is batshit insane Nork revisionist stuff from the 1950s and i'm on 4 out of 67 volumes. If i manage to read it all 67 volumes i think i'll be the first native western English speaker to do it and understand what they are trying to say. I deserve a medal for how badly i have corrupted and poisoned my mind just for the effort alone. It isn't easy.>I just think its annoying that sorks have made their entire cultural identity a massive seethe fest about what was just a typical 20th century colony treatment while the norks who actually have a claim to that shit aren't constantly seethingI can't disagree with anything you said in that statement.
>>64451364I mean you can try writing a paper on all of it and try to get published in a journal, but it would require a lot of effort for a fairly niche topic. You would need to be good at academic writing, have some connections, and then find a journal that is relevant to the subject and willing to publish you. It would be a good resume filler to say that you had a scientific paper published though and you're already this far, so might as well give it a shot.
>>64451386I've tried to get some of my stuff published, i got DEI'd from 38North since they would not accept applicants from people of my age or demographic range. I was told that i'm too old to even apply. Academically no one cares that i have provable experience with things like live Sarin Nerve Gas training at the CDTF or that i know more about the DPRK than 99.9% of the US military. It really pisses me off.
>>64451386>>64451364>>64451423I can write a decent academic paper, i can even get a few grants if i want and have done so a few times. Agricultural mind you. I'm just very much enraged by the lack of so called Foreign policy experts who actually study their opponents.Pic: An 170mm Koksan in Iranian service that was made before most of the people reading this thread were born.
>>64441386>>64441505It's also easy to assume that someone that shares some of your beliefs is similar in other ways.>I'd never send a submarine to North Korea to kidnap people, why would they? This must be nonsense.Not helped by bad criticism drowning it out. If people keep accusing you of outlandish shit you know is wrong, then you might assume that about outlandish shit they're accusing someone you think is similar to you of. Because to be fair, it does sound fucking insane right up until it was proven. I absolutely do not blame someone for dismissing it out of hand in the absence of evidence, that'd probably be my guy reaction too.
>>64442999>>64443040They use colorful pennants to ambush wolves. It only works until the animal overcomes it's fear of the unknown and crosses the line for the first time. Maybe the water bag thing used to work, but stopped once dogs learned it's not a threat?
>>64451479For what it is worth: North Korea kidnaps people, steals, lies, cheats and counterfeits constantly. They also assist geocidal regimes, slaughter their own people if they oppose the Kim regime and help Russia. Not to mention the fact that the DPRK blackmails the entire planet via threat of global atomic warfare with their atomic stockpiles.I'm so envious of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-4N0xBpU38&list=RDV-4N0xBpU38&start_radio=1
>>64441361NK stole some romanians back then as wellI assume they were trying to grow some sleeper agentsidk wtf those guys are smoking, but it's potent stuff
>>64446350>certain GIsto those of an S4 persuasion, to be more specific
>>64451521based Visotsky appreciatorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l2GiFdWz8canyway, to keep this somewhat ontopicamerican soldier Ted Dresnok defected to NKlater he married and had two children with Doina Bumbea, a Romanian woman that NK had kidnappedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4kLUmF5tYQ
>>64451616There are almost 3K of them at this point, the DPRK has a pool of blond haired assets if need be.
>>64451659the USSR had a whole damn city dedicated to this sort of thing (Tolyatti) and (partly connected to it) a gigantic breeding program which has so far remained unacknowledgedspeaking of breeding programs, jewish genestealers do exist
