>P90 frt on it's way editionYep you read that right we have developed a 3 position trigger for the PS90 platform. We are 97% completed with it just making a few fine tuning adjustments and a little bit more R&D with it before we will feel comfortable releasing it out in the world. We planned on having their release on the same day as a surprise but after thinking it through we think it would be wise to hold off on the release just until we get our bearings straight with the Vector launch. Not too much at one time. After all we are only 2 people doing it all by ourselves other than the manufacturing. \https://wickedarmsinnovation.blogspot.com/Is it legal? Yes, unless you live in a cucked statehttps://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-returnDistributors:https://www.activesafetydesigns.comhttps://atrius.devhttps://deeznutztactical.comhttps://www.deltateamtactical.comhttps://www.fittyactual.comhttps://greymarketresearch.nethttps://hoffmantactical.comhttps://rarebreedtriggers.comhttps://redactedarmsllc.comhttps://www.tacswap.comhttps://freedomfingertriggers.com/https://arizonaregulator.com/You've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)>cheaper than an FRT>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automicHow it works:https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)>"low shelf" lower receiver>SS>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cutPrevious: >>64416735
Is there an FRT for the Uzis yet?
What was the site with the 10/22 Super Safety? Was a bent carbon fiber piece shaped like an L.
so other than most ammo prices being crap, is this pretty much the golden age of firearms ownership?>can get a reliable super safe AR with a good optic for less than 1000 dollars
>>64443248The NFA, GCA, and 922r has done a lot of damage which still needs mending, but things are definitely looking up.
Fuuuck. Do I want an AUG, or PS90 now... I hope the PS90 doesn't require and sort of modification like the stock does. I guess im getting another SBR next year.
>>64443367the NFA is the single worst thing to ever happen to gun ownership ever
>>64443419is there an AUG FRT?
>>64443537Yes, but they're almost $500 I think and require some sort of drilling into the stock.
>>64443067>Yep you read that right we have developed a 3 position trigger for the PS90 platformFINALLY!
Would it be possible to develop an FRT for something like an old Broomhandle? They'd probably be an extra fun shooter that way.Like this Oyster Bay mixed parts rebuild in 9mm, with the extended mag and stock, it would be a total hoot to plink with.
>>64443816All FRT/SS are fundamentally the same thing: a trip that pushes the trigger to the un-pulled position after a round is chambered
>>64443818You think it could fit inside the Mauser's jumbled fire controls?
How necessary is an H3 or H2 buffer when shooting Super Safe? Will standard carbine buffer result in OOB?
>>64443845It will start to misfire or fail to eject. Eventually can fuck up your buffer and gas. Imagine it like putting too small of a timing belt in your engine, it may work for awhile but eventually it's going to fall out of rhythm and unable to keep up.
>>64443836I have no idea. But that's where it starts. A lot of super safeties for non-AR rifles require a lower that takes an AR15 FCG though, if that tells you anything.
>>64443067REminds me of that Minecraft character "there's some things that should be erased"
The LAD concept would have been more cost effective.
>>64444087Cased telescoped ammunition would solve the SAW/LMG problem. Intermediate rifle cartridges with the same OAL as PDW cartridges, very lightweight, and it can't cook off so it can be closed bolt. An HK21 in a CT or even any metallic head polymer case cartridge would be the ideal SAW. Alas...
>>64443067Hoffman made a 3D printed lower with a pouch dovetail for the Lima6.
>>64446051This is cool as hell but at the same time I think belt feds are expensive and silly memes
>>64446077It's the closest I will ever get to fulfilling my M240 gunner fantasies. It's not too bad at 40 cpr for steel case, certainly better than a drinking habit, slightly worse than NODs.
>>64446155Hopefully in time companies are able to increase production and lower prices. I'm really just not a fan of the belts themselves
>>64443202FRT's are generally harder to pull off for straight blowback - the design team behind the CZ Scorpion Evo hit major snags, most strongly recommend delayed AR PCC's instead of blowbacks for FRT's. This leaves the Vz61 and the MAC-10/11 which are SS compatible with a printed lower taking an AR trigger - they need a fair bit of tuning compared to other platforms.And no the PS90 isn't straight blowback
So currently, what's the absolute best frt that's the closest to the real thing? Also I heard if you hold the trigger really hard (so like on the real thing) it malfunctions? That'd be a huge issue
>>64447167>Also I heard if you hold the trigger really hard (so like on the real thing) it malfunctions?yes, it's not full auto. Pinning the trigger to the rear and it continues to work would make it a fully automatic machine gun.
Are AKs FRTs still a meme?>>64447251What's the point then, if you can't hold it down.
>>64447405>What's the point then, if you can't hold it down.That's it's not a machine gun.
>>64447416But i;ll malfunctions if you ever hold it down in any real situation
>>64447422You understand that the whole point of a force reset trigger is to force the reset, right? Each shot you take is a pull of the trigger. Ergo, it's not a machine gun.
>>64447422then maybe use something else for a "real situation".
>>64446987>And no the PS90 isn't straight blowbackIt isn't?
>>64447441no, the barrel moves back a tiny bit while firing.
>>64447405>if you can't hold it downIt's essentially like Bump Stocks, you just maintain rearward pressure with your finger, and that will essentially make you pull the trigger at cyclic rate.It's not literally full-auto (therefore still unregulated), but it feels just about the same, and it's way smoother than it sounds. It's so smooth and steady that you actually need to account for action timing, basically like with a real auto trip, hence why people are working on developing these for various different guns.>>64447422Why?
does anyone have a second party mfg of these or have a second one to sell? these homos decided to discontinue the party early
>>64447478>Why?>>64447422
>>64447525You haven't given a reason as to why.
>>64443067How critical are anti-walk pins for using an ss? I don't think my standard pins are loose at all, but then again I've never tried them with an ss.
>>64447955I always put them in mine, and some SS sellers sell anti-walk, but if they arent falling out for you, dont change
>>64447480It's because of the ATF. They're gonna be out of stock for another few n months at least.
>>64447955I dont have anti walk pins and my trigger pins came out after shooting a few mags
>>64447441>>64447438Elaborate? Ive replaced the barrel on my ps90 myself and its just clamped down directly to the receiver with the muzzle and the bolt is just a block of metal sliding on rails. It's got that anti-bounce weight sliding thing but that's it. Are you conflating of the Five-seven or something?
>>64447955If you plan on shooting a lot with an FRT, I imagine that anti-walk pins would actually be worth it, you're basically using your own finger as an auto-trip, so when you get the hang of using it, it's functionally the same as a full-auto salvo in terms of recoil and vibrations.Anyone made a belt-fed 9mm upper which uses non-disintegrating belts yet? I feel this would be a good sort of setup for making a really fun ratatatatat-tat range toy with an FRT. I would also accept a lower which uses Finnish 72rd drums, but I've never ever seen such a thing, so I assume that isn't a product.
>>64447480They submitted the 2 pos prototype and non-selector frt to the ATF.The 2 position looks like a glock switch and the ATF deal with rare Sneed had them agree not to make pistol FRT's.It seems like an elaborate ploy to avoid a lawsuit from RB while also cementing the legality of conventional pistol FRT's - with the danger of the ATF saying no not allowed
>>64447441Technically it's barrel delayed blowback, but not full recoil operated as recoil operated firearms also have reciprocating barrelsThe bolt drags the barrel rearward slightly before unlocking, slowing down lock time Once the barrel is at the end of its travel the bolt unlocks and moves fully rearward.Unlike recoil operation the barrel and bolt are only mated at the highest pressure/impulse and barrel travel is a mere few millimeters
>>64448988The outer section of the barrel on the PS90 is actually a barrel shroud, the inner barrel sits inside the shroud. If you did the install the barrel sits within a recoil spring and is supposed to have some back and forth play tldr you crank it to 30ft/lbs to the reciever then back off ~1/4in. It's not dissimilar to headspacing a recoil operated MG like an older M2 .50If you just cranked it on full blast to where the barrel doesnt move you likely damaged the gun/barrel- turned it straight blowback-reduced reliability-increasing felt recoilThat's kind of the downside with barrel delaying desu
>>6444898810/10 chance you installed your barrel incorrectly its supposed to have a few mm's of play back and forth.Considering you turned your gun straight blowback I would rectify the issue before you even consider a FRT - replace the springs too
>>64443248Ammo prices adjusted for inflation are cheaper than they were 10 years ago.
>>64449317sadly no one's income has been adjusted for inflation
>>64449331Yet, my increases exceed double what I made 10 yo. So...
All current designs of firearms require that each live round moves over twice it's length to be chambered then the spent cartridge moves over twice the length of the live round to be extracted and ejected.THIS limits firing rates, overall mechanism length, and so firearm size and mass.It should be possible to make a squad support weapon capable of 10x the speed while being half the length of current designs, with higher accuracy due to constant recoil and fewer off-bore moving parts.Mericans will never figure it out and not be making the next major step in firearm design.It's just not in them to be imaginative.All their designs, like all american art, are just so derivative.
>>64449360They already have, the government just doesn't want it for some reason, probably because of the shitty mentality that you mentioned. See >>64444313 Telescoped ammunition has no separate ejection cycle, it's part of the one-way feeding process. Caseless takes it a step further, but isn't as well-suited to machine guns.It's infuriating that this technology has existed for half a century now but the government still won't buy it. I think there's a Reformer-esque mafia that actively blocks firearms innovation, the same people who sabotaged the M16 and no doubt the SPIW and ACR programs.
>>64449317im an AK enjoyer though so yeah a lot of my personal ammo prices have become abyssmal dogshit
>>64447552The gun literally ceases to function if you pull the trigger too hard. Something that never happens with smi-auto?
>>64449954Actually, if you hold a semi-auto trigger all the way back, it stops firing after one round. This is the same thing that happens with an FRT. It doesn't break the normal unmodified function of the gun. It just shoots like a not-FRT gun if you use it wrong. You either get assisted rapid fire or normal semiauto.
>>64450102Man you're a loser.
>>64449954It isn't an insurmountable task to get it going again or to simply not death grip your trigger on a pull. Go do USPSA or 2/3 gun and see how easy it is to just not be a retard on the trigger under some level of stress.
>>64449954bro how about you use an FRT for yourself. I've never had any issue pulling it too hard.
>>64450293Bro I'm literally asking if the thing works before dropping $500 on it, you good?
>>64450310in reality if you pin it to the rear, the trigger wouldnt reset until you loosen your finger, that's it. You would need a very strong mechanism to overcome your finger to push it off while you hold it down and as a result would probably be annoying trigger slap.That being said according to this video, the FRT15 might work but ymmvhttps://youtu.be/oB5pNoPpgwg?t=348
>>64450143He's right though, just pull the trigger again.
>>64449563it serves no useful purpose other than appeasing autistsgun design has pretty much plateaued since 1945everything since has just been mixing and matching operating, locking, and feeding systems that already existed
>>64450310If you dont want to spend that much, there are much cheaper alternatives. Look through the links in the OP
>>64449331>>64449317>Ammo pricesabout to buy 5.7 ammo in anticipation of the frt coming soon
>>64443202Due to the way they are designed I think this is going to be extremely difficult to do without adding new holes.I think you could make it work by adding another lever somewhere to be activated by the bolt going into battery pretty easily, but the trick is to do it without drilling a new hole in the bottom of a receiver.
>>64443816Reminds me of Joe Kidd's character Mingo with the broom handle Mauser.
Guess I should ask in /arg/ too, but if I wanted to set up an IAR in the same vein as a M27, piston guns are better over DI right? I know the M27 is a piston, I'm just referring to the capabilities of a piston operated gun.
how gay or useless is a trigger crank attached to a drill
>>64450803what does this mean?
>>64450813a crank trigger being those faggy spinning cams that pull the trigger
>>64450803I think that makes it a machine gun
>>64444087>>64449563The LAD was pretty much the only practical idea that offered a real change in small arms innovation since WW1 and offered a decent way to transition to the new doctrine. The only major issue would have been a bumpy period in the 1990s when everyone was worried about rifle plates but that would have faded when it was quickly realized that it didn't really matter.
>>64450803>>64450878>>64450914A motor running a trigger crank is legally a machinegun, yes.
>>64450143t. loser
>>64450922What exactly is that thing supposed to do that the AK74 doesn't do a million times better? 5.45mm has more than twice the effective range, a magnitudes flatter trajectory, more than twice the terminal effect, far better barrier penetration, and it does it for basically the same cartridge weight and recoil.Ditto for the M16 and 5.56mm.I can actually envision some uses for a belt-fed machinegun running pistol cartridges, but I would certainly not call it the greatest innovation in small arms since WW1.The SCHV assault rifle is the perfection of infantry rifles, and we already achieved that in the 1960s.
>>64450938>operating this eccentric lobe via a hand crank setup that allows for the trigger to be pulled much faster than usual isn't a machine gun>but when you motorize it is>even though the exact same mechanical action of the trigger is occurring>it just is ok because the motor makes it fasterIf I used a clockwork mechanism to operate a trigger crank is that a machine gun too? How about attaching it via a lot of linkage to a dog in a wheel or an ox on a millstone? What about a water wheel?
>>64450938>>64451074Or what about a planetary gear set so that less than one crank revolution was needed per trigger pull? I'm still cranking it by hand after all. What's the cutoff? 1:4? 1:8?The point I'm trying to make is how stupid and arbitrary the ATF rulings that got us where we are today are and how likely they'd get torn apart in most federal courts for being massive regulatory overreach outside the bounds of the law especially with chevron being tossed out.
>>64451074>>64451095The corner which the AFT has written themselves into is "shots per action of the trigger," which is why the FRT skirts that, you're actually repeatedly pulling the trigger with your finger over and over. Something like a motor or clockwork would be you firing multiple shots per the action of you activating it. Not sure what the rule would be for operating it with like a Dachshund or hamster running in a wheel though.>The point I'm trying to make is how stupid and arbitrary the ATF rulings that got us where we are today are and how likely they'd get torn apart in most federal courts for being massive regulatory overreach outside the bounds of the law especially with chevron being tossed out.Well, yeah, we all know that. I think that's also why the AFT are getting themselves in some shit these days.
>>64450515The 3d printed mac designs use a piece of metal slapped in the upper to trip the lever. I'd have to fingerfuck an uzi to figure out a possible solution because I'm getting retarded in my old age, but there shouldn't be anything intrinsically preventing an frt mechanism being added to any firearm that uses a disconnecter. They will likely be more complex than just using an autosear though.
has there been any word on the as designs arc fire first batch shipment, first timeline was moved back to mid october, and they sill have not shipped yet. Did they run in to an issue or what,.
>>64451343they are shipping now
>>64450722Functionally speaking yes, possibly. Torture tests show piston guns tend to lock up whenever the barrel droops enough to bring the piston out of alignment with the barrel, but if you have to get a gun that hot you've got bigger issues than piston vs DI (IE, just spend that ammo money on a fucking m249s)DIs first failure point is typically the gas tube, whichever blows out and prevents the gun from cycling. I have never seen either of these happen IRL and if we're talking "i want to blow through a combat loadout at once with no issues,", then the manufacturer is a more important consideration than the operating system>>64449360>noguns Euro posting "should should should" with some half-baked wannabe engineer idea guy shit>"Well I'll never do this but uhh you AMERICANS won't either!"Cope
>>64451349Cool, I need to get a dremel bit for my LMT lower to make room for it soon
>>64443067This inspired me to finally get around to SBRing my PS90. And getting the ring sight for it.
>>64451177>The corner which the AFT has written themselves into is "shots per action of the trigger,It is not a corner they have written themselves into, it is the exact verbiage of the fucking law, with no room for ambiguity.
>>64451359If the exact verbiage of a statute mattered we wouldn't have any gun laws. People still think the second amendment itself is ambiguous because they're retarded.
>>64451019I need to make a effort post explaining the LAD, i am short on time to do at the moment. The short version of the story is that it was invented in WW2 as a very light blowback belt feed ULMG that used 7.62x25mm as a replacement for all USSR small arms as a cost effective way to kill people. There are alot of details that i'm leaving out but i have irl stuff to deal with.
>>64451359I know, but to them it's a corner because it's not what they wanted.
>>64451381Fair. The constitution and USC really are bunk compared to agency agendas and political mood. It's crazy to think that not too long ago the actual text of the second was plainly ignored in favor of a layered mess of related but distinct judicial interpretations.I'm thankful for CoD and justice Thomas.
>>64450387>gun design has pretty much plateaued since 1945you were just shown that this isn't the case, the gov't is just opposed to using the new designs
>>64449360>It should be possible to make a squad support weapon capable of 10x the speed while being half the length of current designsWhat is that supposed to be good for? Weapons already have the cyclic rates they need, 1000rpm is already very high for a small arm, if you need more cyclic rate then you're airborne and engaging airborne targets.
One of you lads will post the link to the vector when it goes live right? I was not on the wait-list but want to be in that first wave.
>>64451400Yes, I know what it is, you braindead fuckhead, but that's a beancounter's perspective on small arms. SCHV rifles give grunts THE best balance of features and capabilities for the best performance in most situations, a midget SAW isn't a good substitute for an infantry rifle, and certainly not suitable for the roles of a SAW or GPMG.
>>64451529Plus higer rof means you need more ammo and the gun heats up faster. It seems to me that the biggest problem to solve for small arms is ammo weight, and then the lighter ammo needs to be cost effective. Honestly I don't forsee any major breakthroughs in the future for firearms as we know them. Some revolution somewhere else will either lead us to different delivery systems for kinetic projectiles or we'll end up with some kind of energy weapon. All current developments are either special purpose, or tradeoffs driven by changing battlefield demands.
>>64451543Lighter ammo is nice, but you manage to reduce the weight of ammo but stick to a reserved rate of fire, that means carrying more ammo and lasting longer in combat.
>>64451543I don't want to derail this thread again, but CT ammo was a straight upgrade, and high pressures are becoming trendy right now and would be a straight upgrade with new barrel metallurgy. That there haven't been any significant advancements in recent history is completely false.Hell, the G11 had HMX propellants that could have been the next big thing after smokeless powder. The technology is right there, governments just refuse to fund its adoption. It's really the US's responsibility as NATO's largest member but they fuck it up every time.
>>64451381The second was very poorly written. It should just read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" with none of the militia nonsense. If they wanted an unambiguous reason for it they should have added "The defense of self, family, property, and the public good against brigands, criminals, and tyrants being immutable natural rights," in front.
>>64451948Do the supposed performance increases merit the expenditure of a couple hundred billion to reequip the entirety of multiple armies when small arms haven't decided a war in 70 years? When the US fields power armor it'll make a rifle to defeat power armor, until then there's no point.
>>64452016They sure are eager to field a regressive battle rifle with an FCS optic and suppressors for everyone instead, which has a budge of less than $5 billion for the weapons, ammo, and accessories. This kind of thing isn't a sidegrade like 6.5 Grendel, and if anything would help create a rifle for use against power armor (really, M1158 is sufficient for this).
>>64452006>The second was very poorly written.Only if you don't speak proper English and ignore all the other writings about it by the authors, meeting minutes, etc. Every word of it had a specific purpose and it was worded very carefully and then expanded upon in secondary writings on the meaning/purpose. Even the most 2A absolutist today don't take the 2A far enough for it's original intention.
>>64451948Looking up the HMX propellants, they have about 70% more energy per mass than nitrocellulose. That's a straight upgrade and more room for trade space whether it's caseless or not.
