The number of visually confirmed Russian t-54/55 losses in Ukraine has now reached 20 after 4 additional this month, according to Oryx.
>>64445014>insert joke about Russia running out of T-54/55Not that i believe that it is going to happen, but i'm also not gonna like bet against it.
Honestly, I like the T-55 Wish I could own one to drive around.
Some losses can be old because they weren't identified/confirmed before.
A decade after the Armata was unveiled. Grim.
>>64445014I don't get it. There are 3rd rate Russian units in Ukraine. They have been there for a long time. We have known for a long time that these 3rd rate units get 3rd rate gear.
>>64445077I like the aesthetic but goddamn it's a piece of shit.
>>64445077I rode in one of these at a tank drive in Minnesota. Very cramped.
How goes Ukraine’s production of tanks?
>>64445150Not great, a handful of T84 allegedly. Recently got a big batch of M84s from the Croats. More M1s coming from Australia. Think they are focusing their in-house production on long range missiles.
>>64445150Sustainable:https://www.armyrecognition.com/archives/archives-land-defense/land-defense-2024/ukraines-t-64-tank-reserves-poised-to-sustain-years-of-combat-matching-russias-arsenal-2On average Ukraine losses 100 T-64s, their inhouse slashit tank, per year, after sovietfall they got around 2000 of them, if only half of them are still operational or salvageable it would mean they still have plenty for years to come, this doesn't include all the other systems they have been receiving from former PACT countries or western powers.After 2023 they have learned the lesson for the most part, no massed armored pushes, instead keep them as a highly mobile direct-fire support, go to the point where ziggers are trying to make a breakthrough, some lob HE shells and then get the hell out of there before FPV drones and attack copters catch you.
>>64445055They had less than 200 so unless they stop raiding museums it'll happen. I bet the supplier bills it as a T-80.
>>64445127>avoids fat jokeUnless you are talking about a Maus or Merkava then it is cramped.
>>64445014Did CovertCabal die or stop making YouTube videos? I miss his storage yard updates.
>>64445562no idea but I hate that name. everything is so couched in coded "irony" it makes me sick.
>>64445562His last Twitter post was awhile ago.
>>64445550>They had less than 200That we know of. Every single T-62 was supposed to be scrapped a decade ago, yet we all know that didn't happen. There's probably hundreds sitting in siberian sheds.
>>64445562He literally ran out of material to count. The error margin during the 2022-2023 was greater than the current remaining of stockpile (aka statistical 0).That autistic side of that war is mostly over.
>>64445562>Did CovertCabal die or stop making YouTube videoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQHXB1rYlYI>11 aug. 2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nMdbvN0IX8>1 okt. 2025
>>64445615Is summer 2026 basically when the Soviet stockpile no longer has any relevance?>No more tanks, towed arty, spgs, or BMPs left from the Brezhnev build-up.
It will never stop being funny that THIS war is what drained Russia's humongous cold war stockpiles.Stockpiles that were supposed to be enough to fight the entire Europe at its height of cold war military preparedness.Now they're all but gone. In a limited border conflict against one of their poor ex-soviet neighbors--a special military operation, if you will.
>>64445625The soviet stockpile doesn't have relevance in current year, it lost its function of being a source of armor to sustain their armored doctrine and russians began to create 'irregular' vehicles like the turtle because they don't have a way to achieve results without doing atypical things. The decrease of their stockpile/tank inventory tends to 0 in an asymptotic but it's never "0"
>>64445644asymptotic way*
>>64445638Tbf it was a combination of this war + decades of neglect and corruption in the russian army
>>64445612I imagine soviet depots are like the warehouse at the end of raiders of the lost ark.
Thread themehttps://youtu.be/Cq2QFOkTOzw?si=Xb94DsSLs_aO9skX
>>64445662>NATOsomeone should inform them to finally show up
>>64445662>russiaHas lost 70 years worth of stockpiled gear>natoHas yet to arrive.Going well for Russia.
>>64445662
Overview of Russian equipment losses added on 22/10/2025*note: this update has all the losses documented since the previous update on 30.9.2025, so it is much larger than usual.
>>64445666>BMP-3Damn so I guess there acrually was some sort of offensive which didn't show up on the maps was actually taking place, those don't tend to show up on the front except for in major assaults to breach or exploit breaches.
>>64445666Another Koksan kill! Another Koksan kill! Another Koksan kill!
>>64445666>2 T-90M
>>64445666Source btwhttps://bsky.app/profile/rebel44cz.bsky.social/post/3m3s452ppas2w
>>64445673There was the famed 2025 general offensiev to finally topple the queef regime, but its results are similar to Russian Kharkov offensiev '22, '23-'24, '25, Sumy offensiev '22 and '25, Hostomel special landing operation and other similar military successes.
What was the loss tracker site who has the more comprehensive list including ladas bikes scooters etc...basically anything demo'd on the front line?
>>64445701Andrew Perpetua is the dude who updates that
>>64445562No, but getting recent satellite images is expensive
>>64445695>It's 2015. There is a Russian offensive in Donetsk.>It's 2025. There is a Russian offensive in Donetsk.
>>64445678The number of confirmed t-90 losses is already higher than the pre-war estimates for their entire inventory. So, someone was wrong about something.
>>64445727Anon... I...
>>64445727Russia still makes them Anon, production didn't cease because of the war. Russia also a number of them dedicated to Moscow and St Petersburg that will never deploy.
>>64445727It means that they produced more (as in turned a T-72 hull into a t-90) and lost those new production hulls.
>>64445562He did a video showing off that the vast majority of the Far East storage yards are emptied out and appear to be in the process of being shut down. The other hubs in Russia are either being converted to transport hubs, scrapping yards, refurbishment yards, etc. Vast majority of the storage yards just have rusted out hulls now and nothing else. But he's also starting to do videos about other conflicts
What was the source that keeps posting funny seethe from RU telegram? He always adds "worried..." or something in Ukrainian to the screencap posts.
>>64445731>>64445734Why do they call it T-90M3 or whatever the latest modernization package is when in reality it's just T-72obr2025 (with worse sights & electronics than pre-war T-90s)
>>64445757>Why do they call it T-90M3 or whateverCorruption and sometimes they do "upgrade" a part of it. "Upgrades" could be just them removing a thermal lens or camera that just doesn't work.
>>64445638Because the stockpiles were ratfucked by corrupt officials and military a minute after the Soviet union fell. Its a system ran by convict gangs with no critical planning skills.One can only imagining the skimming and corruption going on right now.
>>64445784>Because the stockpiles were ratfucked by corrupt officials and military a minute after the Soviet union fell.Lord of War is a documentary.
>>64445784>AfterBold of you to think Russians waited until after.
>>64445666>M-1989 'Koksan'Noooooooooooooo
>>64445797It's heavily based on real life shit so yeah. The main character is basically Victor Bout.
>>644450973rd rate is all of them
>>64445638>height of cold warThat was >50 years ago.
>>64445666I'm way the hell out of the loop. Is this since the start of the "speical"? Or just the period covering 2025/9/30 - 2025/10/22 ?
>>64445868period between 2025/9/30 - 2025/10/22
>>64445868um...noPic related is just the tanks. I'll be shocked if this uploads.
>>64445097But third rate units getting destroyed means that the first tier and second tier units have lost too many units to protect them.
>>64445890>4199 MBTs put out of commission by a country that barely had an air force. Impressive.
>>64445946That's just the visually confirmed ones. It's probably over 6k.
>>64445965>>64445946Only 8000 to go!
>>64445615Are you sure? HighMarsed's chart still shows double-digit percentages of stuff.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FnfGcdqah5Et_6wElhiFfoDxEzxczh7AP2ovjEFV010/edit?gid=0#gid=0
>>64445562>>64445615These autists need to start spying on Russian farms and tracking horse/donkey movements.
>>64445971Artillery doing better than I thought.
Who the fuck is this schizo now?
>>64445982>>64445994Didn't read.
>>64445994>Mentally ill cum-chugging homo serb BBC-lover detected.Fuck off back to /pol/.
>>64446003Just your common or garden vatnik
>>64446003Somehow, Manbitch is even more of an actual faggot than the average vatnik shill.But that's "normal" for serbscum expats like him.
>>64445982>>64445994THIS time destroying civilian infrastructure will work! Fourth year's the charm!
>>64445724yeah
>>64445757I'm sorry to inform you, they're stupid niggers.
>>64445838Here is Viktor Bout illegally participating in combat in this ultra-rare photo. Idk if the UN has it lol.
>>64445673>Damn so I guess there acrually was some sort of offensive which didn't show up on the maps was actually taking place, those don't tend to show up on the front except for in major assaults to breach or exploit breaches.There was a pretty sizable armored assault in early October, I think somewhere around the bulge between Pokrovsk and Kostyantynivka.Doesn't look like it achieved much. The Ukies said they killed a couple dozen vehicles, among them BMPs.
>>64446250There's been a few of them recently. One involved 5 or 6 MTLBs or BMPs getting drowned in a swamp.
>>64446266Is this the same event? Tweets say 5 armored vehicles tried to attack the 33rd Brigade's positions, but 3 of them got stuck in a swamp and were abandoned + droned. The 2 others were taken out with some help from nearby units.
>>64445097First rate = T 90/80s2nd rate = T 72s3rd rate = T 62/64T55 is 4th rate.
>>64446459A tank is a tank.
>>64446380>>64446250>>64446266The swamp one was the latest armored push by the Russians, but there were three separate assaults made by the Russians within the span of 3 days within the last week or two. And mind you, these consecutive assaults were made by the survivors from the previous assaults from the previous days.
>>64445666i thought the MT-LB went extinct a while back, did they find another warehouse full of them recently?
>>64446535>did they find another warehouse full of them recently?There was a storage base that had MTLB's with ATGMs on them that Russia never touched before now for whatever fucking reason.
>>64445014Tom Clancy is undefeated.
>>64446545Russia was probably saving them for NATO
>>64446587if you didn't build any new storage facilities, and you just moved things inside, i have to wonder why you kept it outside in weather to get rained and snowed on in the first place.
>>64446587>t-they're just hiding them nafoidNew cope just dropped
>>64446587Yes, mearshpidor, it's all hidden away. In ukie steppes, camouflaged as wrecks.
>some random faggot on the internet watched a youtube video therefore these are official numbersHow fucking stupid do you have to be to believe this silly shit?
>what? you believe OSINT? don't believe your lying eyes!>here, check out this ruMOD report about 10 destroyed HIMARS this week!
>>64445545>After 2023 they have learned the lesson for the most part, no massed armored pushes, instead keep them as a highly mobile direct-fire support, go to the point where ziggers are trying to make a breakthrough, some lob HE shells and then get the hell out of there before FPV drones and attack copters catch you.No, surely if we just weld enough sheet metal, pipes, and chains to it the armored assaults will start working again.
>>64446633How many boris johnsons are encircled in porkroast cauldrooon? (real 200% confirmed by gayrassimov himself)
>>64446633>>look up what OSINT meansHow fucking new are you?
>>64445014Strange there are fuck all left in reserves guve they are only lost 20 but then Orxy always said visially confirmed is just a fraction of total losses. Remmeber what's in pic related is the absolute dregs as well, in really shit condition or unsalvagable but all reports whats in the fronnt lines of all models is is shit condition as well though.....
>>64446711Oh and remember the Russians don't have plants or parts for servicing T64s aslide from scrap salvage, those were all in Ukraine.
Looks like the T62 is going to be the mainstay of the Russian military soon. The worlds second greatest military power? Up there with Cuba, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Yemen in T62 usage. Or maybe Russians will get sense and face reality, 'cos they are going to be forced to one way or othe other.
>>64445612There were no export customers for T-62s, there were many for T-54/55s
>>64446739Yes Russia was the arsenal of gulag for crazy tinpot dictators worldwide.>>64445612Are there probably? Are there? Cloaked from satellites for the last 40 years? yeah
Only 35% of Russians pre invasionn tank reserve is left. I wonder what happened to them. Judging from the onsolete models in active service, the pre invasion active service MBTs fared no better either.
>>64445757It used to be that T-72s kept their old cast turrets + old autoloaders and T-90s had welded turrets + upgraded autoloaders. Not sure how consistent they are these days.
>>64446711It gets worse, a lot worse.
>>64446739>There were no export customers for T-62sI mean it hasn't been around the block like the T-54 or 72 but I wouldn't call it nothing
>>64446764The initial best design T90s had cast turrels. It became lost technology, the later less good ones are welded and a bit shit. Most of the cast ones ended up going to India. I doubt there are any in Russia at all at this point includeing teh ones India coverty supplied to Russia that were supposed to be there for upgrades,
>>64446787I was talking specifically about the difference between modern T-72B3s and T-90Ms.
>>64446787>muh cast turretstheir only use was to harness cook-off thrust betterwe'll never see the likes of them again
Its really best of Russia is really totally disarmed, you will never eliminate everythinng but it would be best to just leave them with the minimal dregs and absolute scrap metal. That's the precondition so a lasting peace can be established after Ukranian victory and there is no point in a Ukranian territorial victory without a lasting peace.. Still, given the slace of collapse Russia is facing many hundreds more MBTs will just wind up abandoned in Ukraine in the final chapter along with hundreds more destoyed,.Particularly when they close teh kerch strit in endgame, any armour left will be extremely difficult to evacuate at that point. Russia could loose another 700-1200 of its 'best' (has engine moves can maybe go bang) active and reserve hulks before this is finalised.tell me what kind of damage can the payloads for tomahawks do to tank reserve bases contents? Anything spicy for anti armour? I know they can do cluster munitions.
>>64446802O i c. Amazing the cast turrents became lost tech in Russian deline, same with the specialised titanium welding in some of their jet strategic monbers apparently
>>64446802Different turret and FCS.
Dout theer are any of the 'good' cast T90 turrets left in servive in Russia at this point,.Any that still exist are in India from 2001 shipments"In 2005 the Russian army resumed delivery of the T-90, requesting the "original" specification for the vehicle with a cast turret. But with the new order numbering 14 tanks, and the large capital investment required to set up production of new cast turrets, the Russian Ministry of Defence agreed on a new configuration very close to the Indian T-90S, which was expeditiously accepted into service without any trials as the Object 188A1 or T-90A"
>>64445638Literally not even 200 miles from their own borders. Hilarious.
>>64445757more bigger number means more betterer
>>64446890oryx would actually be a very conservative estimate, because it only counts losses that can be confirmed via photosso any loss that was totally vaporized and left nothing to be identified wouldnt be counted and neither would any loss that has been towed away before it was photographed
>>64445757the T-90 was originally meant to be a T-72B model, but after the PR nightmare of desert storm they quickly rebranded it to be the T-90
>>64446890As opposed to your beloved krmelin ' buy my wissile' shill threads on 'old /k' that were policed by pro kremlin retards and were nothing more that surious bullshit about vaporware like the armata? Some of us are clearly here longer than you and your feloow armatards. Or are you just new and brown?
>>64446890Oryx originated on old /k/ and is one of us. Proud of him too..
>>64446902It did have a real cast turret before it turned to a 'welded turret'' which if you look at old pictures of assmbly looks like material like expanded foam, mylar and bubblewrap being stuffed into a hollow cavity on the welded turrerts rather thin inner and outer walls. Ask yourself why the Russian military specifically requested the cast turret but that was turned down for cost reasons. I would not want to be a tanker in a T90 welded 'turret' its likely significantly worse than stuff like T72Bs. Fascinating to see how low Russia is on T80s, actually their best remaining tanks and many of them are probably still acting as the guard secutity response unit based outside Moscow, which are equipped with them and notoriusly crewed with the more retarded youngest sons of the less gilded moscow bureaucrats,
>>64445562Jompy has only recently updated his table>>64446459Like it or not, properly modernized 64 must be the peak along with 80
>>64446809That webm is a real throw back by now. Is that still the reigning champion of the combination turret and mobik tossing contest?
>>64445673I'm told some pretty serious armour was committed to the relief attempts on the pockets north-east of Pokrovsk and there was also the khatkiv and sumi offensives
>>64446890>seething about ghost of keef and oryx in 2025lol, lmao even
>>64447346Just like nafo. Forever living rent free in vatniggers' mind
>>64445981I feel like there's probably a lot of Ukrainian (POV) drone footage we aren't seeing. There's no reason why we shouldn't have gotten footage of donkeys being droned by now, strikes on gas stations in oblasts bordering the 'Kraine (the one time we DID see video of a drone hitting a basic bitch Russian gas station it was recorded by a Russian resident), etc. because the AFU are fully aware of how it might look to normies. I made a similar note about a reported strike on a Russian chicken hatchery a while back that people took as anti-Ukraine when really, I just thought the juxtaposition of "We took out a refinery, weapons plant, and some fuckin chickens" was funny. Verboten targets (to release) would also be any civilian vehicle not clearly marked with Z, though the Ruskies are fairly obliging about painting them on to avoid friendly fire.>Somewhere in an AFU goon cave there is a video of a cattle truck being hit by a drone and exploding
>>64447505They're overly conscious and careful and barely release a few videos because it's obvious they're the only side being criticized for killing the enemy.
>>64445097>1245th day of the 3 day special military operation to de-Cartelify Mexico>Sources confirm American National Guard have lost at least 20 M26 Pershings>4 of which were destroyed last month during urban clearing operations in Chihuahua oblast>Sources indicate the tanks were taken from the General George S Patton Museum, and other Korean War memorials
>>64446633OSINT means open sourced intelligence.As in you can just fucking look it up yourself, because the information isn't classified and is a literal fucking google search away.
>>64447540Meanwhile snowgeria releases videos of themselves deliberately targeting civilians and the EU keeps flapping its gums and Donny boy keeps glazing monke.
>>64446012saarbians have been butthurt for the past couple of centuries, for russians it's only the past hundred years or so
>>64446633>he had to look it up just stop trying, Vanea
>>64446737Oh it gets even funnier, the ziggers have been reduced to dying in early T-62s while the Taliban parade around around in (relatively) well cared for T-62Ms.
>>64446711source for this?
>>64446968>Like it or not, properly modernized 64 must be the peak along with 80this and Ukraine has it's own giant yards full of 64s and parts because that's where they were made and maintained (pic pre invasion tank mountain in Ukraine)
>>64448390Jompy. Realistically the situation is worse than that refects, there are TWO areas where there are Russian tanks both pre war and now, active in service and reserve, taken both togther they awre about 13600 pre par, maybe a few hundred more stuck elsewhere in stuff like mosfilm as props etc etc. BOTH the reserves and the active have been massively ground down. There is also the fact India covertly supplied T-90s that wree supposed to be Indian tanks back in storage and other dribs and drabs from global south tin pot dicators making token gestures plus the very very few (tiny number) of actual new made tanks. There are also ones damaged in action that got field repairs in the rear etc. However its probably safe to say reserves are 35% of pre invasion or lower and active is 50% or less of pre war and all of it in bad shape when it comes to things like fireconrol, comms, autoloaders, turret mantlets, transmissions, engines etc. Russia will never 'run out of tanks' but it's heading towards beinga peer with somewhere like Egypt but with significantly less quality and modernisation, it might be more correct to say Russia is a peer with Algeria now in heavy weapons.Artillery is even worse (due to barrel wear)TLDR Russian has been effectively disarmed of its weapons stockpile and is at the point it is more comparible with North African nations, by this time next year it will be significantly weaker than North african nations if the war continues
>>64448211Ah Russia is done, I hope the Ukrainnaians get their deserved victory and peace without any retards fuckinng it up for them in places like MAGA amaerica or quisling states in Europe like Orban or Fico, farage, or commie moscow 'academic' and fringe dregs that haunt most EU nations .
>>64446012>serbscumWhere was he when his glorious serb paramilitary drunks and rapists were pushing terrified teenage consvcuips in the jna in front of themselves to be killed by me for the sake of a commie cargo cult dressed up as serb nationalism They were foiled in trying to reignite the conflict in bosnia for their master in the kremlin (their second front on the EU borders plan). Pointless muder and death is all they ever had on offer and they would vanish into history if it was not for the kremlin trying to get them to do muder for him. They did more harm to the Serb people especially the younger generation than all their many supposed 'enemies' put together,
>>64447505>Somewhere in an AFU goon cave there is a video of a cattle truck being hit by a drone and explodingholy hell imagine the blood and guts raining down everywhere
>>64448862>mmmmmmmm, (literal) roast piggies))))))))))))))
>>64446250>armour column>zero infantry supportIt's as if Rasha wants to lose.
>>64446890>new york post
>>64445150>How goes Ukraine’s production of tanks?zero. The Kharkov Tractor Plant that produced them was blown up long ago.
>>64449196>Armored column rolling down the streets at blazing fast speeds>Why aren't there thousands of foot mobiles advancing before the tanks over this several kilometers long open stretch of road?Promote this man to General, instantly! SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE!
>>64449243>Don't believe your lying eyes, wectoid!!!!!
>>64447540It's the drawbacks of trying to aspire to greater things. Russia has always postured itself as brutish and uncaring. People expect the ziggers to act like savages. The ukranians on the other hand are trying to posture themselves as reasonable people trying to defend themselves from the oncoming mongoloid horde; so people hold them to an accountable standard.
>>64447591>1245th dayThis is what gets me. In 1941 Russia started ramping up war production. By 1943 they were out producing the Nazis and winning battles. That's a shorter delay then the 3.4 years of the SMO. Is Putin's Russia so much less capable then actual Soviets?
>>64449276It helps the soviets got a huge boost from lend lease, which massively improved their industrial capabilities and lessened the industrial burden from trying to keep up.
>>64449243It would be crazy if we couldn't see that Russia is pretty much stalled out and the advances they make on the map are legitimately miniscule.
>>64449276You have to of understand, real war not even start yet, they are of keeping best tank for land invasion of Britannia to quell the perfidious anglo menace once and of for all!
>>644492761. Despite what Russia and Putin et al claim, this is not some existential war, Russia is not at risk of ceasing to exist. If it left now and returned to pre-2014 borders, there might be grumbling but nothing will happen.2. USSR was the USSR, not Russia, which included Ukraine, which was the industrial centre at the time3. USSR killed hundreds of thousands ant force building factories away from the frontlines and were preparing to do it behind the Urals if it came to it, Russia is unwilling to do such things4. WW2 was very much 'you're on your own because you can't rely on trade'5. UK saved USSR by giving them thousands of aircraft and tanks and shit in 1940 and then USA did similar in 1942 on wards, this included entire factories and tools and training to use them6. The modern world is, for good or bad, much heavier integrated and linked than 40's globe and the industrial powerhouses have changed and what countries specialised in has changed. Russia relied heavily on Western machinery and expertise to maintain their higher tech level equipment and shit, which is much more limited now.7. Russia doesn't have the money to set up 20 new tank factories and have them cranking out brand spanking new T-90's in the hundreds every week. They can barely keep their 'largest tank factory in the world' going.8. WW2 equipment is very much different to modern age equipment. You could make a cast iron hull and slap a gun in it and an engine and you got a tank that is pretty effective. Now? Without modern FCS and optics and shit, you're much more at risk.
>>64448387M-55S is different to T-54/55.
>>64449247>tanks are totally not vulnerable to infantry, guys!
>>64449358>included entire factories and tools and training to use themOK. I didn't know this. I guess I always assumed lend-lease was tanks and guns and ammo.>Russia doesn't have the moneyThis is weird. Russia has massive oil reserves. All money is just made up anyway. Putin could lean on the oligarchs that pocketed the Armata budget.
>>64449443>Putin could lean on the oligarchsOh my sweet summer child.
>>64449443>This is weird. Russia has massive oil reserves. All money is just made up anyway. Putin could lean on the oligarchs that pocketed the Armata budget.based retard
>>64445797they are working on a sequelcurious if it can hold upat least it will be cagekino
>>64449443>Putin could lean on the oligarchs that pocketed the Armata budget.Who do you think got the majority of that money, anon?
>>64446778It's even worse, over 200 tanks were removed today as they were deemed to be shitboxes beyond repair.
>>64448143>>64449262The "upside" to the Kremlin and their shills going the firehose-of-falsehood route is that, when they've been insisting "Oy vey anudda shoah in the dumbass" for ten years, Ukraine does have a relative degree of freedom to do things we'd usually consider sketchy (directly bombing gas stations with civilian cars lined up; the strikes on Belgorod power plants; the recent strike on a dam in Belgorod, etc.) because any mention of it just feels like more white noise, even to Putin's fans. I was shocked the Belgorod power plant attacks didn't result in some new wave of screeching from MTG or Tucker but I heard utter fuckall about that or the dam strike from them. They'd rather make up something completely false just so long as it sounds even worse (like "Ukraine is persecuting ALL Christians" or "the AFU definitely sells half of their donated gear to Mexican drug cartels, trust me").
>>64445014where are they getting operation T-54/55s?
>>64445638>Now they're all but gone. In a limited border conflict against one of their poor ex-soviet neighbors--a special military operation, if you will.That has been provided with an enormous stockpile of ATGM equipment.This is basically Operation Cyclone 2.0.The US has used Ukraine as a proxy to sap Russia of a significant portion of its military capability.
>>64451643They're frankensteining multiple hulls just to make 1 operational hull
The loss of this much armor makes the Western European military build up going on quite redundant and 15-20 years too late, lighter more mobile and more numerous forces would be what was preferable now not a desperate bid to bring back massed tank formations to fight a Russian armored column that no longer exists
>>64449443>Putin could lean on the oligarchs that pocketed the Armata budget.Old oligarch are either long gone, fled out of the country, or simply untouchable for one reason or another. New oligarchs are basically proxy-wallets of Putin, so taking money from them would be stealing from Putin himself.
>>64449414Anon, it's not about tanks being vulnerable to infantry, it's about infantry being vulnerable to literally fucking everything.The idea of these blyatskriegz is to advance infantry past no man's land into frontline combat positions where they might have a chance of actually doing something.There isn't even any enemy infantry around in the first place, they're in open terrain getting swarmed by drones, wtf are a few dozen mobiks gonna do besides become drone food themselves?
>>64448414zavod-311, my beloved
>>64451653>Europe with tanks + Ukraine's drone industry>Russia without tanks>Lots of dead ziggersSeems like a good deal to me.
I remember 2 years ago anyone mentioning russia using t55s was shot down by both russian bots and rational peopleEVERYONE said it was stupid and that t55 is a ww2 tank and not even russians are this stupid or desperate.Waiting for t34 jokes to become reality now.Other things that have happened: >enemy at the gates proved to be a documentary>early ww1 logistics>setup for 1918 like situation where baltics will take st petersburg again>balkanization with oblasts running out of money again>russians taking to the street in mass protest in one of the two cities russia has
>>64451658>New oligarchs are basically proxy-wallets of Putin, so taking money from them would be stealing from Putin himself.He's kind of doing that already, isn't he?Almost all of Russia's banks and defense industries are owned by the state or regime-affiliated oligarchs. They've reportedly been forced to fulfill contracts at a loss and lend the state money on terms that can't possibly be good for the banks.I suppose there are sacrifices he's willing to make, and the economy's long-term prospects are one of them.
>>64451941>He's kind of doing that already, isn't he?There is still a slight difference between stealing from the state and stealing from Putin himself
>>64445014The ukraine is losing to T-54s?
>>64452077Losing for nearly 4 years now
>>64452109Only two more weeks (till the 11/11).
>>64451762The main argument against the T-34 is that their parade models had to be traded from Laos.https://tass.com/defense/1039199
>>64447505at this point i'd gladly welcome pov videos of ukies bombing gas stations and food storagei fucking hate ziggers, i wish they all suffer as much as possible
>>64451762>>64452124i think that if we are to see any WW2-era vintage armor in ukraine, it'd probably be ISU-152M's from the far east used as self-propelled artillery, based off of that training camp footage from like a year ago. it would also be the biggest "we've ran out of self-propelled artillery" message the world has ever seen though, so i highly doubt that we'll see them in ukraine.
>>64452130Trust me, I feel the same way, but the average person in the West is still under the impression that "all 'regular' people in every society is the same on average, some just have bad leaders."
>>64452077Losing the “ruin your own country for no reason” competition to russia, yes.
>>64452179It's a competition between ziggers and maga at this point.
>>64445014Seriously weren't all those shitheaps supposed to have been scrapped years ago? They're so outdated that not even Russian hoarding behaviour could justify keeping them around.
>>64452198Donnie would need to unironically do the "SMO but it's Mexico/cartels instead of Ukraine" in real life for it to be competitive.Musk as Prigozhin
>>64445638Western equipment was always designed to hard-counter Russian spam tactics. I guess it just works better than we thought.
>>64447591kek
>>64449298It amazes me that they have soldiers dying every day and they waste jet fuel testing NATO defenses instead of bombing Ukraine so their soldiers don't die.
>>64452248Well, they need to fill the flight hours, and harassing NATO space has lesser chance of being shot down than going over to ukraine
>>64452214>SpaceX security toting Boring Company flamethrowers rushing Tijuana in CybertrucksIt would be kino, like a Paul Verhoeven flick.
>>64445014those were monkey model t-54s
>>64449358>1. Despite what Russia and Putin et al claim, this is not some existential war, Russia is not at risk of ceasing to exist. If it left now and returned to pre-2014 borders, there might be grumbling but nothing will happen.they have some of the worst birth rates on the planet. they are going extinct (not soon enough)
>>64452214We're about to attack Venezuela.
>>64449443>I always assumed lend-lease was tanks and guns and ammo.Tanks are just the tip of the iceberg. It covered everything:- locomotives;- rolling stock;- actual rails;- tens of thousands of trucks;- industrial machinery;- fuel, explosives, metals, etc;- clothes, footwear, food;- etc, etc, etc;Western allies have literally build a new and more capable army for the USSR, after the initial got destroyed by the Germans during the initial phases of the attack. Just look up how the german airforce annihilated the soviet airforce for example.
>>64452845There are some equipment categories were the Lend-Lease constituted near 100% of the Red Army's equipment in that category. Like boots.
>>64451643Even if the T-55 folds like wet paper to any cannon made this century, if nothing else the Soviets tried their damnedest to make it reliable even under minimal maintenance after how bad the malfunctions of the T-34 and IS series were.
>>64449443I wasn't aware of it either until it was brought up here 1-2 years agoBoris Vadimovich Sokolov:>On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invadersNikita Khrushchev:>He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war.Georgy Zhukov:>Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.Joseph Stalin:>"Without American machines the United Nations could never have won the war
>>64446239I didn't even have to open the thumbnail to see that he's been lazily shopped in.
>>64452855>There are some equipment categories were the Lend-Lease constituted near 100% of the Red Army's equipment in that category. Like boots.If you compare lend lease supply with local production on some categories then lend lease was like 9,000% (not a typo) of local production, so...
>>64452208Yeah, but scrapping them costs money.It's better to pocket the money you're paid to scrap the thing and just leave it in some frozen swamp.
