For anons who actually deal with armed groups often, how do you de-escalate usually?How do your tactics change depending on the demographics you encounter?https://youtu.be/uQS65DOJgcw
>>64445274>AAHHHHH AHHH OMG IM A GAY FAGGOT BE GENTLEVery simple. Relax. And not go. ^^^^^^^^
>>64445274Obviously those cartel guys had no interest in the gays.
>>64445274I've noticed that some people who escalate are trying to goad you into making the first move so they can be justified in whatever they want to do to you. In two road rage situations I've had good luck ignoring the guy yelling at me, and the ragers calmed down after a while.
>>64445508This. Finger on trigger but Don’t match their energy.
>>64445274Always keep calm and be respectful, keep as much distance between you and the aggressor as you can, and don't let anything they say or do goad you into retaliation, that's exactly what they want.
>>64445274The most important tool to have in deescalation is to form some kind of bond with the aggressor. Something personable that would make the other guy stop and think "hang on, maybe there's something more going on here."When I was overseas the easiest thing to do was learn enough of the host nation's language to start a conversation. If you're trying to sneak some controlled item through a police checkpoint, they're going to be on edge around some nervous foreigners but if you start the encounter with "salaam alaikum akhbi" it puts the other person at ease knowing they can approach the encounter in a way that's more familiar to them.Body language and emotional inflection is also huge for setting the tone of an encounter, especially if tensions are already high. Bringing your hands up and speaking with them serves dual purposes of not only aiding in illustrating your words if there is a language barrier, but can give the impression that you won't reach for a weapon. If you do have to fight it out, your hands can move quicker if they are already up.source: did low vis driving on my last deployment and used to work as a university security guard dealing with drunk retards
>>64445274>>2 gringo faggots>>zero directions in shithole country Protip: cant de-escalate if you are 100% dumb. They got lucky. If they were 2 hot chicks, would have been rapped.
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>>64445508Grey rocking is 100% the best option whenever you're dealing with mental fuckwits and personality disordered cunts.
>>64445274>The most important tool to have in deescalation is to form some kind of bond with the aggressor.I've had some deescalation "training" and done it at political demonstrations a few times, and in a few other instances (i.e. being around rednecks) and this has worked for me.Last time (rednecks) a big fight broke out, and this gnarly looking ex-con who wore Norse stuff was shouting something about "my wife," he wasn't even involved (nor was his wife as far as I can tell) but was just looking for a reason to get involved, and I zeroed in on him, got in between him and the scrum, and started asking him questions about what was happening. Like hey bro what is going on here what is happening this is crazy... to just redirect his narrow focus of attention away from the scrum and towards me. I just wanted him to keep talking, and then I'd be like "hey, what's that necklace you're wearing! That's badass!" It worked. I saw him a few weeks later and he just came right over to me like I was his best friend. He carries a knife (so do I) and we exchanged them to look at them, it's like dealing with a marauding warlord.Political demonstrations, kind of similar. I stopped a Proud Boy from bearing down on a Kurdish demonstration outside a Trump rally by being like "they want Trump to help!" (They were, the Turks were invading Afrin). He thought they were antifa or something but immediately snapped out of "aggression" mode. I've seen hairer stuff from random drunk homeless, and what has worked is to get my guys between that guy and the women on our side and be like "tell us what you think about all this big guy." And you can see the gears turning in his head where he suddenly snaps out of the aggression and is like "oh! Well [blah blah rant]" while you're going damn I guess you're right that's crazy I never thought of it that way before, now tell me more. Just keep 'em talking and burning off that surplus energy.
>>64445651See I just do all of this naturally because I'm autistic.
>>64445582>did low vis driving on my last deployment and used to work as a university security guard dealing with drunk retardsBTW look up Robert Young Pelton. I like that guy a lot. He wrote a book called "The World's Most Dangerous Places" which was like a travel guide (a bit dated now but still good) about traveling to shitty ballsweat countries and how to avoid getting waylaid by child soldiers. One trick he used was to have gifts to hand out to people, like those cheap LED flashlights you can buy at Home Depot. Or like cheap Casio watches. It sounds crazy, but when you think about it, the only real way to guarantee your safety in a SHTF situation is to make sure it's in the interest of the slack-jawed yokels carrying guns around you to see that you return home alive.
>>64445713none of that would work if you're the target.
>>64445508>>64445564Works for tweakers too. Speak softly and carry a big stick
>>64445723I mean if people are trying to kill you then the best thing is probably to have other guys around you who don't want that to happen, right?
>>64445735i didn't necessarily meant 'kill', more like if you're in a fender bender situation and the other guy get's intense there's not much you can talk about to divert the conversation.
>>64445508One thing I've noticed is that the average person needs to "ramp up" to violence. The dangerous folk I've known have just been able to flip a switch and go to work.
>I'll just talk my way out this broshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre>hijackings of passenger buses on Mexican Federal Highway 101 in San Fernando, and the kidnapped victims were later killed and buried>a total of 193 bodies were exhumed >Reports mentioned that female kidnapping victims were raped and able-bodied male kidnapping victims were forced to fight to the death with other hostages, where they were given knives, hammers, machetes and clubs to find recruits who were willing to kill for their lives.
>>64445274>CartelI'm gonna say that's no cartel but local armed militias patrolling their territory for cartels.
>>64445862>Don't rob me, because you amigos look like you could use some FREE FLASHLIGHTS :)
>>64445274>For anons who actually deal with armed groups oftenI travel to eastern DRC regularly for business (well scientist, my research is there)and there is M23they're (somewhat state sponsored) rebels>how do you de-escalate usually?be patientuse simple, unambiguous language, talk relatively slowly but not too muchbe calm, no sudden movements, but not too calmI always got a few photos at hand to show them my research it's shrews, lots and lots of cute shrewsliterally resolves 90% of all encountersalso I have a big German flag sticker, a heart sticker and a big Congo flag sticker next to each other on my carthey seem to like Germans...so once they realize I'm a kraut, the conversations get friendly>How do your tactics change depending on the demographics you encounter?not so much the demographic but moodif they're bored, which they often are, making a bit of conversation helpsif they're stressed, I have my documents immediately ready and my first sentence will have all important information
>>64445958>it's shrews, lots and lots of cute shrewsAnon, are you working with sengis/elephant shrews? They are seriously the cutest motherfuckers on this planet.
>>64445968>are you working with sengis/elephant shrews?these are different from "true shrews" (Soricidae) I work withthough it's not that different of a communitylike I've met Rovero, the person who discovered the grey-faced sengialso there are like <20 people researching on (true) shrews in central/eastern AfricaI'm not keen on doxxing myself kek
>>64445958Elephant shrews?
>>64446015Absolutely based nonetheless, thank you for answering, Krautbro. Good stuff you are doing.
>>64446017Based.
>>64445274The memoirs of a turkish traveler were somewhat enlightening about how to survive an encounter with armed bandits - make sure getting out alive is your first priority and make it seem like what you're being robbed off is a gift to a dear friend you just made on the road.
McAfee had a write up about this. It was either schizo babble or 100% reliable.
>>64445274The drive to make everything a martetable product is absurd. A modicum of social skills and situational awareness will get you 90% of the way you need to assess/avoid/survive situations like this
>>64446015>grey-faced sengiI've never heard of this creature but I've fallen in love with it, it looks ridiculous.Also keep up the good work, anon. You do anything with Hero Shrews? I've always found their ridiculously reinforced spines super interesting.
>>64446600Like, look at this shit, 4% of the body weight in the backbone alone.
>>64446600For me, it's Round-Eared Elephant Shrew. Basically a lighting fast fluffy ball with an extra long snout.
This is the best and most original/interesting thread on this board right now. It should be a general, honestly. The best way to win a fight is to not get into one.>>64445752I've seen this a lot too, not that the average person can't be dangerous, just that you can see it coming/building up.
>>64445713Kurds are commies. Pls do not assist them
>>64445752And real schizos are dead-face during the whole interaction and probably don't even get a raised heart rate.
>>64445580You can calmly talk about the sound a skull makes when it pops, you ever herd it before? it's a sound you can feel.
>>64445735Trying to deescalate his criticism of your poor examples I see
>>64445901Cartels love Duracell
Some good solid info in here. I work in mobile crisis department for a smaller county, and I used to work in a SRTF for high risk youth. I even had been trained to teach a therapeutic crisis intervention system at one point. Honestly the best piece of advice I could give is to really check your own stress level and response. Knowing your own response to stress and how your body/brain reacts can help you start figuring out what the other person is needing/wanting, and where they are on the stress curve.The number one mistake people make is rising up to the level the other person is at instead of trying to bring them down to yours. When triggered, IQ drops like a rock and humans tend to go into survival mode very quickly. If you can catch yourself and start to regulate, you can stay in the thinking brain and keep your valuable IQ points.At this point you can start to process the interaction more clearly. What is the other person feeling/wanting? What part of the escalation curve are they on? Can you still talk with them or are they at a point where they have boiled over? Is their a environmental factor? A mental health one? Or are they pissed at someone/something else? Do they just need someone to listen to them and connect? No matter where, what, when, or how. You can't really help if you yourself are not in a good place to do so. Yes the situation might still end in violence, but many situations can still be resolved by just keeping your thinking brain in action.
>>64445274>mfw depressed autist with a dead end engineering job >forced to stay at work for insane hours with shitty Korean boss always hounding me >Walking to my car after a particularly bad day >get jumped by 3 nogs demanding my wallet, keys, ect. >one has a keltec of some kind > just tell them to shoot me>they look at me like im an idiot >tell them to get on with it and i would do it myself but im too much of a pussy >get pistol whipped instead >Mfw they didnt even take anything>mfw couldn't even suicide by Nigger
>>64445274Mutually Assured Destruction
>>64445508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNqzXblpetk&t=8sI hate to say it, but most people are comic book villains who want you to see it coming.You not paying attention to their taunts, robs them of the satisfaction of attention.Actual professional criminals/killers have no scruples about shooting you in the back.
>>64447364Anon, I just said that if someone yells at me, I won't stoop to his level and yell back; that doesn't mean that I'm going to turn my back to an aggressive stranger.
>>64447319>one has a keltec of some kind>get pistol whipped insteadAt least you broke their gun
>>64445713>trantifa larpKek literally none of this ever happened
>>64446600>You do anything with Hero Shrews?i don't think there's any active research going on for themit's not endangered (and won't be for the foreseeable future) and their discovery is quite old, so harder to get funding >>64446606the spine is actually used in traditional medicine by some peoplealso seen a charm made from it once, worn as necklacethe reason for its size is also still kinda unknownother than "villagers told us" and speculation, no visual confirmation why they need such a spinesome of the images I carry to show rebels are from hero shrew though
De-escalation implies that you are the one in position to escalate. You can't de-escalate a situation where the outcome depends entirely on the other party. The only thing you can realistically do if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of a barrel is don't antagonize, comply and pray.
>>64445651Don't do 'Gray Rock' in the workplace, especially if you're a man and the toxic person is a woman. They'll report you to HR for bullying and all that shit. Saying you're purposefully ignoring them and don't respect them and all that jazz and make you the bad person (after all, they're the toxic ones). Known it happen to at least three people. They want interaction and drama and to be the centre of attention, so if you don't give it to them, they'll just make it. It also means they end up doing shit to you to fuck with you like tipping all your pens over your desk and messing up your drawers and shit like that. If you complain, then they claim you're persecuting them and they get other people to tell them how you've been ignoring them and been dismissive and rude (because you've been doing the Gray Rock method).tl;dr if somebody wants to fuck with you, you're fucked, there is very little you can do in a work place environment.
>>64450658>comply and prayOr master CQC and disarm them with your superior skill
>>64450658>De-escalation implies that you are the one in position to escalate.This isn't true. Stop playing semantic games.
>>64450667This shit works like a charm if you're not fat or ugly.
>>64445651wait this is how I normally behave towards pretty much everyone except family
>>64447061Okay Turkoid. Look I didn't show up knowing they would be there, I just didn't want the guy in the Fred Perry shirt to get any wrong ideas. Most of the ones at that demo were Iraqi Kurds BTW and when some of the young women got a "biji biji YPG" chant going, it quieted down after only a few "yeh peh gehs" because that was a bit edgy for them. One person was flying an Iraqi KRG flag, and I can only wonder who supplied them all this:https://youtu.be/tsra8VsU0BI>>64447128Very funny
>>64445274Don't live in a shithole, problem solved >DA JOOS R INVADING MUH TRAD HOMELAND!Leave you stupid ass nigger
>>64450658No not really. Yes the person who is escalated has a level of control over the interaction. But the reality is that all behavior has meaning. If you know why they are escalated you can start looking at ways to bring them down. Yes there are times where there is no other choice than violence or physical response. But those times are honestly fewer than many give credit. Many situations can be solved by keeping your cool and focusing on your own response and regulation.
>>64446606Absolutely bizarroThanks for sharing
>>64450658>assumes people act fully rational all the timengmideescalation works because most of the time the escalating person is irrationally emotional and acts out of "instinct"
>>64450667just dont do it so overtly. just be a boring person instead of trying to subtly shut the conversation down.give boring responses and make them carry the conversation without trying to say the least amount possible or giving one word responses like the graphic tells you to do.
>helping a guy flip houses one summer>girl working the nearby gas station recognizes my truck, she lives a block away>asks me to dig up her rosebush outside her window for $40>easymoney.jpg>its a little after 3:30pm when I knock off house job and drive to her place>light rain, so I sit and chill outside her house for ten minutes>rain lets up eventually, so I go out to dig up the obvious rosebush>get that done, but then I think, "was that the right one?" >start walking around to front of house>see an old man on the porch, terrified, on the phone and a young girl standing next to him>he immediately starts trying to grab at his right waist with his left hand (holding the phone with his right) >I drop the shovel and raise both my hands and say "whoa buddy, we are cool">I lift up my shirt, show him my pistol, say "I've got one too, and its staying right there, we are all good.">dude is still jittering but calming down >while my hands are up, I explain who I am, and what I'm doing over there>he leans around the porch- and I'm still 20+ feet away- to see the rosebush i dug out>he hangs up the phone, looking sheepish, and tells me that hes the father of gas station lady>her teenage daughter came home, saw me, and called him in a panic>30 seconds later, cops and sheriff's and bears all show up, whole block on lock down>turns out gas station's ex is big gang fella and has made several threats about killing her and kidnapping his kid, everyone thought I was involved
>>64452057Cont:Just reading the guys body language told me he didn't want to shoot/wasn't comfortable to shoot me. And even if he had drawn, in that state, I legitimately didnt feel like I was in danger. He was gasping for air like a fish and clearly more scared of me than I was of him. So I gave him that control, played along. Spoke calmly, friendly, letting him feel like he was in control. Could I have legally drawn my gun on him? Maybe, maybe not. But I certainly didnt want to kill anyone that day, and I made sure that my voice and posture and body language carried that message. It would be different if he were a criminal obviously, but to deescalate an armed combatant is radically different than an unarmed one. The only thing I'd suggest is to be calming, be personable, be understanding. Make it all seem trivial, small, non-serious. Hear them out, but don't feed their emotional state. Give some control, to get some control.
>>64450667Demorilization shill, the trick in any office setting is to befriend the losers in HR and stealth report every woman in the office the second you know it exist. Checkmate feminist.
>>64450765Wow. You're a big hero anon. Standing up for the poor Muslims who were going to be victims of the evil white man. You should get a metal for understanding these foreign people and their specific motivations so we'll as to tell us here about the intricacies of their culture. Its not a self report at all...
>>64445274Keep voice low, maintain eye contact with a glare that screams "I'll fucking destroy you if you try anything". Speak in short sentences, and make commands rather than requests. If you have a military gait, use it to your advantage; many proffessionals pick up on that and you'll find yourself met with respect. Do not show any weakness.
>>64447658Deescaltion at a political rally is non senseMaybe a nigger ball game?
>>64446015>also there are like <20 people researching on (true) shrews in central/eastern Africa>I'm not keen on doxxing myself kek>implying anyone caresI did my phd research on a topic that had probably not even five people worldwide working on it, and it was even less relevant than yours.
>>64445651>Never tell them you are gray rocking them!that addition plus the fact it's the only one with an exclamation point implies that this keeps happening.
>>64445298seems to have worked for them desu. i wonder how doing a tough guy act would go to a guy pointing an ak at you
>>64452315>If you have a military gait, use it to your advantage; many proffessionals pick up on that and you'll find yourself met with respect.This. I goosestep everywhere and people are always smiling at me.
>>64452866Based man of peace who brings joy wherever he walks
>>64452767He has an AK? Just imply you are gay and it will make him horny, because he's gay.
>>64452315Okay sure bro that definitely works in your fantasies
>>64445274Insane how big a deal they make over this, they drove onto someone's land and they don't fuck around over there because it could've been cartel. Essentially some Mexican rednecks jumped out on them to see wtf they were up to, realized it was a couple of lost faggots and let them go.De-escalation depends on the specific situation and person. Some become compliant when you yell louder than them, some get more riled up. Some calm down when you talk quietly with them, some try to dominate you. One thing I always am is real. I've talked someone off a ledge quite literally by just saying dude cut this shit out, look how many people you have out here working overtime because of you, now put the knife down so we can all go home. I shit you not 5 seconds later he takes the knife off his neck probably feeling bad for the whole shitshow he caused. I was the only one there real with him, everyone else was trying to bullshit him. I just said hey asshole, you're being retarded cut it out.
>>64452995Hey, it works on hamsters... mostly
>>64450658>De-escalation implies that you are the one in position to escalate.Anon, in a conflict, both sides have the option to escalate, even yelling and cussing can make things worse. Just because you are helpless doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>64453491Sounds like you don't like his opinion and are trying to escalate this conversation into an argument
>>64453618I bought some dueling swords at a yard sale and am driving to the dump he lives in as of this moment. LOL
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>>64452677This thickles my 'tism, care to share (I have also done some super niche historical researches and am still trying in vain to get them published).BTW did you know that Childeric was Merovech older brother
>>64445274>how do you de-escalatea .44 slug through the car door. That usually makes e'm pretty non-violent.
>>64445274Had two guys pull guns on me while I was throwing out trash at my job. I was armed but I just gave them my decoy wallet. I front pocket wallet carry my important shit like credit cards and license. I keep a wallet with my old expired license a few empty visa giftcards and like $7 in cash in my back pocket. I was armed but realistically you aren't going to draw and shoot two people who already have guns on you and I'm not going to shoot them in the back and probably go to prison over $7
>>64454553Congrats on letting two armed robbers go unpunished to do that shit to other people
>>64454557I don't live in a particularly gun friendly state. I'm not going to prison for the rest of my life for shooting a criminal in the back who stole $7 from me.
>>64454569then why do you bother carrying instead of practicing your blowjob skills?
>>64445274From a nursing perspective the biggest thing is allying yourself to them. From wrangling gigantic retards with developmental delay to dealing with schizos on the psych wards to getting freaked out (always black) family of fucked up patients to chill to mediating disputes between my home health agency and angry clients/family--the biggest thing is to not be The Bad Guy. You're The Good Guy who is there to help them. Be agreeable, deflect any criticism to anybody except you ('yeah you're right I think it's a fucking stupid policy too so here's what we can do...'), don't take their anger personally, and most importantly be chill and friendly. They could have a fucking gun pointed at your face, and it doesn't matter if you do what a few anons above said and, put simply, be friendly. Humans don't like to do serious violence unless they're conditioned to do it. Usually they have to freak out and hype themselves up. It makes it a lot harder if you're a cool dude that's friendly and just wants to talk. Be the kind of person that nobody wants to fuck up in the first place.Also be the sort of person that could fuck anybody up. Outside of profoundly mentally ill people and maybe some freaked out patients people don't fuck with me. I'm jacked and friendly but my autism means I go 0 to 60 very quickly if I've decided to be violent. I'm happy to escalate and become a savage gorilla retard as long as I'm mostly sure I won't go to jail. I don't fear other people anymore (I used to be a terrified shut in). The only way you can approach a potentially violent situation with calm, reasonable, strong energy is if you're the sort of person that actually deserves to think that way and you don't have anything to fear.Also if its 1:1 or maybe 1:2 there's no reason to deescalate anything unless you started it by saying some dumb shit lmao
>>64445958>I always got a few photos at hand to show them my research>it's shrews, lots and lots of cute shrewsmay we see them?
>>64452995Guessing you voted for Kamala.
>>64445713Ignore the other autists, this is golden andvice. Thanks
>>64445651This is unironically how I interact with everyone
>>64445274In that pic, as a former PSDfag, and relevant to current possible SNAP cutoff, two words: drivable terrain. Don’t stop for anything smaller than you and you drive where you can go not what lane is marked etc.
>>64454553Do you at least scratch off your address on the license? Thats information you don't want goons to have.
