Are flamingoes actually being mass produced or is it yet another scam trying to get a slice of ukraine’s military funding pie
>>64446782There's no public evidence of the Liutyi or E200 Enterprise being mass produced in Ukraine, but there're a lot of videos of multiple drones attacking the same target or being intercepted, and if russians themselves don't publish an accurate track of drone attacks we will not know it... it's not that hard to understand, that info isn't revealed to you in a dream.1. OPSEC is strong, they aren't showing where or how many they're doing, very occasionally a 'generic' room full of drones for PR2. Russia isn't informing the numbers or the destroyed targets, if there's evidence it comes from telegram3. If none side is interested in giving details you ran out of luck, unlike ukies/OSINT autists, nobody is doing an in depth research of Ukraine. (and russians are targeting drone factories, they attacked the reportedly Baykar plant)
>>64446813>There's no public evidence of the Liutyi or E200 Enterprise being mass produced in Ukraine, but there're a lot of videos of multiple drones attacking the same target or being interceptedThe use of An-196s IS the evidence that they are being produced. Meanwhile we haven’t seen confirmed use of flamingoes yet even though ukraine should have made a few dozen by now. This suggests that either ukraine doesn’t have flamingoes or that zelupa is being gentle with russia out of the compassion in his heart
>>64446782if it's being produced in bulk, we're not seeing them because they're being saved for a massed attack instead, or they don't really exist. we won't know until the massed attack either happens, or it doesn't.
>>64446782wikipedia says they've seen use this past month, and that russia downed one with a buk, so they're probably just beginning to produce them at scale
>>64446782Yes.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/26/putin-fears-another-coup-as-russia-finally-begins-to-buckle/
>>64447360your link is broken
>>64446782I want Hrim-2
>>64447072>This suggests that either ukraine doesn’t have flamingoes or that zelupa is being gentle with russia out of the compassion in his heartNot much point in throwing a few missiles at the time just to be intercepted by anti-air. Kinda the same reason why russia does not just send a steady flow of drones straight from the factories to kiev and instead send them in a huge waves.If Ukraine is producing flamingoes en masse, we will eventually see a huge salvo wiping out lots of stuff at once. Or if ukrainians are fucking up the storage security and dispersal, we will see some huge explosion somewhere in Ukraine.
>>64447162Wikipedia says that flamingoes were *reportedly* used to strike a target and that satellite imagery confirmed three impacts (one hit and two misses)However, ukraine has other missiles with warheads of several hundreds of kg, for example the tochka, so it’s not clear how you’d go from “satellite shows a big crater” to “a flamingo did it”
>>64447380fr im tired of newfags shitting up da board
>>64447072>Meanwhile we haven’t seen confirmed use of flamingoes yet We have.
>>64447701>so it’s not clear how you’d go from “satellite shows a big crater” to “a flamingo did it”By dint of the ukies telling the reporter, dumbass.
>>64446782it's a scam, according to the manufacturer they were supposed to produce over a 100 by now but it's only been used 2 or 3 times by now
>>64447072>The use of An-196s IS the evidence that they are being producedNot really. 1. One could say it's actually made outside Ukraine, hence hurr-durr no proof they are made in Ukraine;2. Often attacks happen without details of what was actually used, you just know that it was an attack or maybe that some drone was used, hence once again no proof of mass production of those drones;
>>64447759if we trusted ukrops at their word, this thread would be unnecessary. the entire point of this discussion is to try and get third-party evidence of flamingoes being real
>>64447360>/putin-fears-another-coup-as-russia-finally-begins-to-buckle/kek
>>64446782they don't have engines to mass produce itthey only got a couple hundred to reuse
>>64447720What, I'm a 2022 war tourist how does that count as an originalfag?
>>64448083>nobody has actually released footage of a confirmed Flamingo striking a target>there's targets that have been blowing up that would be perfect for Flamingo>but we have no confirmed proof it was Flamingo>ergo Flamingo doesn't existMan it's almost like nobody has footage of Iskanders and Khinzals striking targets and yet we know they exist and they're being used.
They are being produced and used. But not in the numbers that Ukraine first claimed.The proof is that Russia actually shot down one of them recently.Another proof is the massive amount of refineries hit this last month. Not all of them were hit with the small drones.
>>64448445it's a joke. Real oldfags were here before 2010
>>64448445Did he died?
>>64448484for iskanders we also have the following evidence:>iskander fragments reported by ukraine>vids where you can see the iskander missile itself for a few frames>a lot of evidence of them being used in other conflicts (e.g. georgia) and exercises>>64448492>The proof is that Russia actually shot down one of them recently.really? post source>Another proof is the massive amount of refineries hit this last monthafaik there wasn't a significant surge in refinery hits. rather, journalists figured out a new way to lie using numbers and sell a "russia is collapsing story". https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2025/10/russia-refinery-damages?lang=enalso their drone production should in theory far outpace their flamingo production. i don't think that flamingoes are much better than drones for attacking refineries because 99% of the damage comes from the fuel burning anyway.
>>64447720In my millennial mind the two faces to the right would be considered the things you want to be.
>>64450503>afaik there wasn't a significant surge in refinery hits. rather, journalists figured out a new way to lie using numbers and sell a "russia is collapsing story". Suuuuuuuuure. Way to out yourself.>i don't thinkCould've left it at that.
>>64448083We have no reason NOT to trust them at their word. We meaning /k/, not vatnigger tourists like (You).
This seems like the designated shill thread and therefore safe to colonise as rightful /k/ clay without retribution or 3-day holidayws.>Yuzhno-Sakhalinskaya CHPP-1 thermal power plant on Sakhalin island was blown the fuck up "for unknown reasons" which is the usual euphemism used when SBU pulls some shady shitFlamingo or not, that's a long way from Ukraine, someone staged out of Japan for this I think.Could you launch a Flamingo off captured Nork fishing boat bought at a government auction in Japan by a Ukrainian holding company?t.https://files.catbox.moe/pc8cmy.MP4https://t.me/noel_reports/36161
>>64450651bruh
>>64450705I feel like this is a challenge to Russia, want to divert some resources to prop up a distant colony, or do you want Japan to volunteer humanitarian assistance to Sakhalin?
>>64450651>Could you launch a Flamingo off captured Nork fishing boat bought at a government auction in Japan by a Ukrainian holding company?Easier and cheaper to pay local criminals to do it.
>>64447360>>64447380https://archive.ph/czpnHRemember that you have a moral duty to rape paywalls and rape sites that use them out of views.
>>64447720I know the image is not the original but I don’t like the implication of what I am as someone who joined in 2014
>>64450795newfag
>>64447720Everyone pre-2005 is a newfag.
>>64450651>someone staged out of Japan for this I think.samurai banderites
>>64450832The way of the mobik is found in death. Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day when one's body and mind are not broomed, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by drones, rifles, artillery, and mines. Being carried away by surging explosions. Being thrown into the midst of a trench fire. Being struck by grenade drop, being fucked to death by a great heterosexual penis. Being ground into the mud by a tracked vehicle, dying of preventable diseases, or shooting yourself at the behest of one's master. And every day, without fail, a mobik is dead. This is the substance of the Way of the Mobik.
>>64450851>The moment of the impact>You are two or three metres from the FPV. You can see clearly the fuze of the enemy's PG warhead. You feel that you are suddenly floating in the air. At that moment, you see your mother's face. She is not smiling or crying. It is her usual face.
>>64450876>At that moment, you see your mother's face. She is not smiling or crying. It is her usual blank-krokodil-stare face.Missed opportunity on the first go desu. I acknowledge my fault and will not repeat it.
>>64450541holy quote fail. Go back 2 reddit>>64450795unc
>>64450544geg>>64450541here's how it happened:ukraine attacked several refineries in russia. if you make a bunch of assumptions (e.g. the attacked refineries always at 100% capacity, each refinery was completely taken out by the strike, none of the refineries were restored at all after the strike) then you get the "38% of russia's refining capacity was destroyed" figure. some of these assumptions are useful for napkin math but implausible. journalists accepted all of these assumptions as fact because they're stupid or because they have clickbait headlines to write. finally, retards rounded up the 38% figure to 40% or even 50%>>64450818tsmt, unc 4chan was basically another website so originalfags are basically the same thing as twitter immigrants
>>64450286>Did he died?No but he had ringing ears after a massive soundbang which is the reason for the huge twin dust clouds.
this looks like a V1 ripoff.
>>64451553Interesting how the refinery strikes led to an export ban, fuel shortages and steep pump price hikes + fuel rationing in Russia. It's a complete mystery. Maybe the Russians just played a prank on the gullible westerners.
>>64450753>Easier and cheaper to pay local criminals to do it.It's a thermal power plant, setting fire to a transformer isn't going to cut it and petty criminals aren't going to be able to haul a tonne of HE past perimeter security, even in Russia since they're also Russian petty criminals.SBU could do that themselves but then they'd be putting agents in danger and you'll note that Russia has never claimed to have any SBU agents in custody and if they did, they'd never stop talking about it or parading them in front of cameras.
>>64446782There are at least 3 confirmed multi missile strikes with those with 2 of them being in october.(second time being just few hours after you posted that thread)
Russia claims to have video evidence of Flamingos over Moscow. There we go. Even the russians are claiming it because it's visually verifiable.https://xcanc.com/NOELreports/status/1983156810229125577
>>64452396the absolute gall to cry and shidd over it after bombing civilians for 3+ yearsi hate these fucking slimey rats so much
>>64452396Needs more watermarks, I can still make out the missile.
>>64452396It's xcancel FYI not xcan. That link gave me an STD. So did it actually land on something or did it get shot down? Because I can't find any info on something in Moscow being destroyed recently
>>64453459I fugged up the link, sorry.
>>64446782Who puts pink on a missile?
>>64455400it's called flamingo because the original paintjob in the prototypes was fucked up and oxidized/turned pink so they've stuck with it
>>64455400Gangstas
Man Ziggers really cannot handle the idea that Ukraine is capable of manufacturing their own weapons huh?At least if perdiferous storm shadow broomhandles a refinery's asshole open they can cope and say "oh well obviously this is the work of vile Boris Johnson, yokel hohols can only use foreign made tools))))"
>>64455568Because once they accept themselves to realize that Ukraine builds its own stuff, then they might realize they have done that before and then they get that Russia wasn't behind all the USSR stuff, but it was actually done by others like Ukraine in many cases. With that their and Russia's house of cards made with lies to crumble, the only question they have what else is there they thought was right. tl;dr: if they are capable of such a thought they wouldn't be ziggers or stopped being one
>>64455403oh that makes sense
>>64446782obviously they cant be mass produced anon you need a huge ass factory line infact i highly doubt that they are even being produced in ukraine in begin with
>>64456201during the course of this thread ziggers have went from:>it doesn't exist>ukrops can't make it>it's a scam (stupid hohols hahahaha)to>it's produced but not in the quantities lying ukrops say that they are>okay they are being made and they're being used but stupid ukrops would need a huge factory >it's made by polish mercenaries in NATO country
>>64451707>Interesting how the refinery strikes led to an export ban, fuel shortages and steep pump price hikes + fuel rationing in Russiatwo things happening /= causation. plus some of the things you mentioned (steep fuel price hikes) never happened according to actual russians (e.g. on 2ch)>>64452396>no link to actual sourcenoelreports is a niggerfaggot. the original source is https://t.me/s/vrv_novosti . no mention of it being over moscow. and while they say it's a flamingo, the resolution of the vid is so shit that i'm not 100 percent sure. thanks for posting though, this is interesting nonethelessalso use nitter>>64455568>Ukraine is capable of manufacturing their own weaponsthey can, but whether they're able to achieve quality, quantity and lack of graft is another question. e.g. the an-196 is a shittier but more expensive shahed.more on topic for this thread, zelupa admitted that they don't have the tech or the money to make flamingoes https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-says-flamingo-missile-production-1761510866.html
>>64455590>they have done that beforeyes, ukraine is very capable of building things when it has access to russian gibs and russian engineering talent. this is why it was better off under the ussr.a prime example: the antonov design bureau. russians shipped in an experienced russian airplane designer (oleg antonov). N.B. his late name is antonov, NOT antonenko. the ussr also provided gibs to get design and production going in the ukrainian ssr. under soviet rule, antonov (the bureau) created a lot of designs, including the an-2 utility plane, the an-24 regional airliner and the an-124 strategic airlifter. overall a very successful track record.as part of independent ukraine, their record is much less impressive. they build the an-148 (an airliner that was only used in token amounts), some variants of the an-148, and the an-196 (shahed but more expensive and less capable).
>shifting the goalposts from >taking russkies at their word>muh 2ch anons say>noelreports is a niggerfaggot>linking to vrv_novosti>zelupawhy are they always so transparent, why can't they at least try to mask themselves
>>64456201if they want to produce them in non-negligible numbers then yeah. here's what a geran factory looks like. it's a huge facility, to put it lightly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9wFVvME0Ebut if you only need enough to post pictures to social media, and not necessarily have them be fully functioning, you could probably make them in someone's basement.>>64456238>why are you linking to the original source of a clip instead of to an account reposting it? VATNIK!!!!!1back 2 reddit you go
>>64455568Love it how a zigger came in here to prove you completely right. What hopeless subhumans they are.
>>64456248obsessed )))
it's amazing how zigger shills make these thread and think they aren't immediately fucking obviousjebac wszystkie ruskie kurwy :D
>>64456236Sounds like they’d be even better off with access to EU gibs and EU designs, both of which are vastly superior to anything modern Russia can offer
In case anyone is wondering what blew up today, the answer is Beнiaмiнa Maзжepiнa. A Lt Col in OMON who committed a few cheeky little war crimes during the brief incursion into Kyiv.Ukraine's GRU shared the footage of his car exploding in Кeмepoвcькiй oblast.https://files.catbox.moe/gmukhu.mp4Interestingly, they blew him up on an rural road with an operator waiting for him to drive along but was way too far away for it to be just an IED (because the chance of missing would be so high at the distance showing) so it seems like they put the bomb in his car at some unknown time and then waited along his route for him to approach and explode where I guess cameras wouldn't catch the observer and there's no chance of civilian casualties.Clearly they were completely in control of this operation.
>>64456263>what blew up todayActually it was three days ago, sorry. They shared the footage today.
>>64456215>HA HA THEY ARE ALL COPING HARDits amazing how easy it is to sniff out the seasonal warfare retardsprotip look how big the dedicated aim120 raytheon factory is then come back and tell us if such TPM line is even possible to be made on a war torn country without getting the said area being blown up the very next day
>obsessed )))
>>64456256first of all, the EU isn't interested in having a competitor to airbus. (maybe they'd let ukraine build smaller planes though, kind of like embraer does)second, the EU hasn't had vastly superior tech ever since brexit. the primary techological advantage you can have is better turbofans. those are made by the USA and the UK - the EU won't help much there.
>>64456279with what knowledge you gonna let ukraine built anything remotely decent to allow civilians in?
>>64456267What are you trying to argue?That when countries are at war, it’s impossible for them to build weapons?Because to me it seems like both Russia and Ukraine are building plenty of missles despite being “war torn”
>>64456279>turbofansYuropoors have the CFM Leap.
>>64456283yes you moron you cant just magically built the infrastructure of a weapon system you never had overnight and claim you can mass produce it while hiding it from everyone this isnt splinter cell
>>64456278is this supposed to be offensive? unc looks fit and his moves seem okay. (can't really judge without hearing the beat though)>>64456284it's a collaboration between america and france. i'd bet that america carries hard though
>yes, ukraine is very capable of building things when it has access to russian gibs and russian engineering talent. this is why it was better off under the ussr.>its amazing how easy it is to sniff out the seasonal warfare retards> the EU hasn't had vastly superior tech ever since brexit.the primary techological advantage you can have is better turbofans.
>>64456263why is ukraine making a big deal out of blowing up one literally who? i was told that ukraine blows up thousands of russians each day, so exploding one guy should be just another day at work, not something to make a big deal out of. perhaps ukraine is actually killing vastly fewer russians than they claim?
>>64456299probably because russia is amassing a huge amount of steel and meat near kherson since the start of october anon
>>64456299I feel russian pain from your post.
>>64456288>magically build overnight? Nobody but you is claiming that lmao.The war didn’t start yesterday my man. They’ve had years to get dispersed production up and running.But we both know you’re not arguing in good faith, instead just firehosing garbage and trying to see what sticks.But it doesn’t matter, your cope on 4chan won’t unbuild the flamingoes nor repair the refineries little ziggie )))
>>64456307>? Nobody but you is claiming that lmao.this shit again what is it with you people >The war didn’t start yesterday my man. They’ve had years to get dispersed production up and running.really? lets seeneptune took 11 years from design to field testing and its roughly the same sizehope that helps put your delusions at rest
>>64456299>why is ukraine making a big deal out of blowing up one literally who?He was a wanted war criminal and Budanov just checked him off his list, like opening a door on your advent calender and getting the chocolate inside. Except I guess he'd have a January version or something.All the rest of your heroes are going to go the same way, unless they end up in a Ukrainian or Hague court one day.
>>64456281>what is antonov
>>64456319antonov was russian the soviets decided to create 2 airports in then ukraine for testing because it was closer to the black sea given their stellar attempts at anything that flies and then they moved the hq to ukraine essentially replacing the russians with ukranians they did not design anything of what antonov currently operates if anything and we strictly stay on the russian sphere tupolev in comparison seems like a beast of safety
>>64456215>>64456238>>64456251>>64455568these posts do a remarkable job at explaining the firehose of falsehoods method that this resident zigger is currently doing
>>64456314Obviously there have never ever been examples where wartime weapons production capabilities dwarf peacetime ones.The US did not build more carriers in 1943 than it did in 1922-1942.The Soviet Union did not build 100x more tanks in 1942 than it did in 1940Nazi Germany didn’t develop both the V1 flying bomb and V2 Rocket and set up production lines for them in 2-3 years while being bombed by the Allies.I should have known better than to trust my lying eyes.
>>64456314nta but>neptune took 11 years from design to field testing and its roughly the same sizewow so another weapon system took a different time to design, test and implement? what a shocking revelation!how could this be? like for example, why did leopard 2 take so many years to design and build, when germans designed and built so many different tanks so quickly during ww2? by your logic, the leopard 2 should have been designed and built just as quickly! or rather, the panther design should've taken much more time.it is truly a mystery why different things made in different circumstances take different amounts of time to finish. we might never know.>no butno it's cool man, i'm not asking for your opinion, i'm just calling you a retardcasue you're a fucking retard
>>64456335It’s an advanced form of cope/escapism, they’re trying to fool themselves even moreso than they’re trying to fool us.Reality is too painful, better to live in a web of lies so thick you lose all understanding of what is real and what isn’t.
>>64456354>It’s an advanced form of cope/escapismbut enough about russian alcoholism
>>64456340this comeback is weak irrelevant and gives a distracted analogycomparing today's modern world and tech to producing...........tanks is non sequitur anon because simply put it doesnt address the real technical problemthe fact that you probably dont know what a cruise missile needs says a lot if you think welding steel being provided by your own country is the same than having to source it from literally everywhere else because the enemy is currently holding 99% of your steel production such missile can only CURRENTLY being made in europe period ukraine doesnt have any capacity to built it yes we can argue that ukraine makes the final assembly for smoke and mirros but lets stop being idiots here ok?ok>>64456348>why did leopard 2 take so many years to design and build, when germans designed and built so many different tanks so quickly during ww2? by your logic, the leopard 2 should have been designed and built just as quickly! or rather, the panther design should've taken much more time.it is truly a mystery why different things made in different circumstances take different amounts of time to finish. we might never know.but we do know that flamingo isnt ukranian moron like what you gonna pretend that we didnt saw the fp5 ?its amazing how quickly revisionism works in the modern day goebbels would have being proud that americans perfected it
>>64456363>but we do know that flamingo isnt ukranian moronat the start of this thread you said that flamingo doesn't exist, now it does but it's not ukrainian>its amazing how quickly revisionism works in the modern dayindeed
>>64456369>at the start of this thread you said that flamingo doesn't exist, now it does but it's not ukrainianshow me where did i stated this
>>64456355does the ziggerian alcoholism come before the advanced cope/escapism of living in a thick web of lies, as in does alcoholism cause it, or is the alcoholism a result of living in a deep cognitive dissonance caused by the thick web of lies, as in is alcoholism used to treat the distress caused by the cognitive dissonance?
>>64447150you are obviously>>64456372we're not seeing them because they're being saved for a massed attack instead, or they don't really exist. we won't know until the massed attack either happens, or it doesn't.you will now do two things: first you'll kvetch and say that that poster is not (You), and secondly that even if it was (You), the poster's making two separate claims, which technically disqualifies my statement because I didn't address the separate claim of stockpiling.
>>64456375god you are such an expert on fishing out anons on a anonymous boardhowever he didnt say that they didnt exist he said that if there is a possibility that they dont existmaybe start by studying lating move to germanic and then english to get a proper context
>>64446813What are you fucking stupid? It's a war classroom right now because every other thirdie conflict is way less interesting.Americans invented the drone game but ukes made the 40k expansion.
>>64456377we had drones way before usa usa made the tech leap isis was the first to use quads en masse on warfare ukraine made it popular russia did the tech leaps for quads and small ones
>>64456363>word saladLmao>if you don’t produce everything from scratch then you’re not really producing itLmao x2Obviously Ukraine will be heavily using western components, they’d be retarded not to.>>64456374Alcohol and drugs are grease for the wheels of cope. The misery of being born a Russian and living in a dumpster comes first.After that it depends from person to person.
>maybe start by studying lating move to germanic and then english to get a proper context>russia did the tech leaps for quads and small ones
>>64456383>word salad>mom i cant refute anything he said but i cant call him a vatnik yet how do i shut him up >thats easy son just use his way of thinking against him>thanks mom>UKRAINE USES WESTERN TECH i mean ok?
>>64456385prove me wrong bitch who invented all the crazy quads we keep seeing now on the theater?>po ones it was russia>fo ones was russia>LR ones was russia>thermite ones was ukraine>pv ones was russia>i think they also fielded a kornet -e quad at some point?>unguided rockets one was also russiaso
What this nigga >>64455590 said. Most people in "the west" don't understand the real motivations behind the war. It's not about Donbas, Crimea or even NATO. It's about Ukraine existing as an independent country, separate from russia. The imperial mythos can't stand that organically, since it pisses in the face of the fake russian history, culture and worldview. It would be less of a pressing issue if Ukraine was Belarus 2.0, existing independently only nominally and being fully under its thumb. Or if Ukraine collapsed into Georgia 2.0 after the 2014 shitfest. But nope, somehow those pesky khokhols had the nerve to fight back. Why is that so important? Because russia doesn't view 1991 collapse of USSR as "the fucked up soviet empire collapsed, now we can be a normal country", but as a temporary embarrassment. They want "their stuff" (what they delusionally view as "their stuff") back. Ukraine is the biggest corner stone of that. They want the whole thing lost in 1991 back, yes, and yes that includes the Baltics. That's why even during the 90s, when they were FUBAR from the point view of both economy, military and society, yet they chose to engage in destroying Chechnya to the ground (including fucked up bombings, killing civilians and everything else) just to stop any movement for autonomy or independence. Because of reasons. One of them is their own "domino theory", as in "if people want to rule themselves, our empire collapses piece by piece". But Baltics isn't that big of a pain point for them at this point, it can wait with them, while ukies are more or less the pic related. There's also the issue of ukies becoming an example of alternative model of life for the population of russia. It already was low-key the issue, with the people from Belgorod traveling to Kharkiv for things and seeing just how better life can be when the imperial center doesn't rob the province to the ground. Can't allow that. People might start asking question.
>>64456340>The Soviet Union did not build 100x more tanks in 1942 than it did in 1940it indeed did not. the ussr made about 2800 tanks in 1940, but never came close to making 280000 tanks in one year
>prove me wrong bitch>who invented all the crazy quads we keep seeing now on the theater?
>>64456267>look how big the dedicated aim120 raytheon factory isIt's big because they've made it big, simple as.
>>64456387>can’t refute anything you saidWhat points do you want me to refute ziggie?What are you arguments?>Neptune took 11 years so no missle can ever be produced fasterLol>Ukraine doesn’t produce steel so they can’t build misslesLmao>The circumstances during WW2 were different than they were today))))>You don’t know what it takes to build cruise misslesXd
>>6445629999% of the time people whom die on the front aren't important, the people commanding them feel safe, and that needs to change
>>64456397>There's also the issue of ukies becoming an example of alternative model of life for the population of russiaif ukraine is supposed to be an alternative to russia, it's not a compelling one.
>>64456406so they could make it tiny because of reasons?>>64456409i didnt had any argument i refuted your idiotic points about ww2 cause you knew you were wrong by proving such a false analogy of 2 superpowers vs.....ukraine now
>>64447720Everything post Boxxy is newfag shit.
>>64447902Notice the words "produced" and "used" are different....
>>64456399Ah my bad I was looking at only the medium tank production numbers, which went from ~130 -> ~17000
>>64456411>Soon to be annexed by RussiaWhy the future tense? Kherson is forever Russian chud, get with the times.
>>64456314>neptune took 11 years from design to field testing and its roughly the same sizeIt was a project by "soviet-style MIC", that's why it took so long. Why bother be efficient if they pay you? Once the war kicked off they've evolved the Neptune missile project like an order of magnitude fasted. There are ground attack variants now, the longer range variant (long neptune), the larger variant (fat neptune), etc.Flamingo is inherently a project from private and lean MIC, hence it's being more efficient.
>>64456404>tall and lean>pale skin, blonde, light blue eyes>warrior spiritaryan phenotype
>>64456413>I didn’t had any argumentsI know bitch, that’s why I’m making fun of you.
>>64456418true however the argument is about the fact that ukraine doesnt have any way of mass producing them domestically because if they did neptune would have being literally their first choice of doing so and we had like 30-50 attacks by neptune since 2023?the only thing flamingo adds to this is the fact that it doesnt need a dedicated launcher which was also the main problem of neptune >>64456423spoken like a true manchild at least next time use chatgpt to prevent you from getting owned in such way
>>64456417the original image is from 2022>>64456418stop drinking capitalist kool-aid. private companies are supposed to be as inefficient as possible, except that the inefficiency is called profit and it's le good for some reason
>>64456426>because if they did neptune would have being literally their first choiceBruh, you misunderstand just how fucked up soviet-style MIC is. It's very rigid. Things are slow and take a ton of time. AFAIK some of that MIC had to be reorganized post-2022 specifically to cut down on the red tape. Either way, you can see how alternative projects (peklo, flamingo and others) were way more agile specifically because they've started from scratch as private initiative, instead of being some large soviet-style organization.
>>64456374all of the above i supposeman let me tell you, i feel so much better since i stopped drinking. also>zigger shills still going at it ittXDDDD you will never be a civilized country
>>64456426> if they did neptune would have being literally their first choice of doing And why is that? What insight can you give us into Ukrainian missle development it’s logistics and difficulties?Maybe you have some knowledge on what components went into neptune and flamingo? Perhaps the amount of man hours needed per missle?If it’s so obvious then surely it’s easy for you to go into the details of why neptune was obviously a better choice than flamingo.And be specific please
>>64456431>Bruh, you misunderstand just how fucked up soviet-style MIC is. It's very rigid. Things are slow and take a ton of timehow do you reconcile this claim with the extremely rapid pace of development the ussr achieved in ww2? for example, the IS-2 was designed and put in production in less than a single year and was a successful design
>>64456431do you think a project like neptune would take the same amount as flamingo?we dont even know what flamingo uses for navigation nor if it has any other elctronic than ins on it yes its simple but thats why i said about neptune the design was there already made up they could just continue making this and they still are but the problem reminds a)the launcher (warvehicle has at least 4 launchers confirmed hit)b)the fact that besides moskva which was a high PO target there isnt much you can launch a cruise missile and take it by suprise simply put ukraine doesnt have the capacity to launch a saturation attack with cruise missiles >>64456437i will tell you this thats purely a prediction but you can screencap it up untill december you gonna see a gradual decrease trend on high tech missile launches by ukraine because their main manufacturing complex (flex) got completely destroyed
>>64456450>i will tell you this HAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAzigger :)
>>64456453>ziggerhttps://investors.flex.com/news/news-details/2025/Missile-Strike-on-Ukraine-Hits-Flex-Facility/default.aspxgood thing i actually follow the war and i can see what it means to have your LITERALLY electronics supplier of 40nm and below getting destroyed means
>>64456445Because wartime is different to peacetime.The Soviets designed and built the IS-2 with the same principles that Ukraine is using to design and build flamingoes.It’s the “Oh shit we’re at war, throw money and resources at everyone producing weapons” principle
Oh boy a zigger seethe thread
>>64456411Is this fresh from /leftypol/, because it looks exactly like the kind of justification they use for the USSR, and is probably also thoroughly bullshit.
>>64456445>how do you reconcile this claim with the extremely rapid pace of development the ussr achieved in ww21. USSR went into pre-war mode a few years before the actual war started (they were planning an offensive into Europe, yes), so they had their MIC mobilized already. 2. The MIC was showered with resources while people died from starvation. Say what you will, but it helps a lot when you can mobilize the resources into a specific field, instead of normal organic development.3. A lot of the pace was because of lackluster R&D cycle and "only the KPI matters" approach to production, hence the stuff they've developed and built was often so bad to the point of being unusable. There's a reason why pretty much all of the soviet aces flew western planes.
>>64456455>Ukranian manufacturing is hinging on single branch of american supplier that HAS TO manufacture everything on the ukrainian soil. Once it' s gone, it' s also over. >Russians are under the sanctions? Ha! We'll just use chips from washing machines for our precision weaponry controls!Now which one is it, my zegro friend?
>>64456482jesus christ are you jack reach?
>>64456455>no butyou are a zigger shill, nothing elsethere's no point in arguing with you, because you are a literal zigger, paid to shit up this boardso kindly fuck off and die zigger :)
>>64456450>do you think a project like neptune would take the same amount as flamingo?Not exactly, because some of the elements of Neptune are more fancy. Starting with having a dedicated a mobile TEL and shit. Which also went through some iterations btw. It's takes more time to nail down those things, as opposed to something which is launched from a rail. Even to smaller bits like extendable wings and such. But a project like Neptune could in fact be done not in 11 years, but something like 3 years. Like bruh, most of the work was done during the 5 years of Poroshenko's presidency, it lost pace with the election of the peacenik Zelensky.
When targeting large infrastructure like oil refineries, complex maneuvers like sea skimming and pop-up search are not necessary.
>>64456450So no details then? That’s sad(((I thought you were an expert on the topic ((Jokes aside it’s no surprise that a weak and pathetic country like Russia only has equivalently weak and pathetic ziggers and thirdies championing it on the internet.
>>64456491the missile its self is basicly high tech to be honest i doubt that they gonna use flamingo in any areas with any sort of AA considering how big it is i mean its bigger than a cessna 172 while having almost the same wingspan (which again tingles my doubt on how they gonna make a mobile launcher for it all things considering......)>>64456489>>64456493stop samefagging be a man accept that you couldnt refute anything and move on
>>64456500>to be honest i doubt that they gonna use flamingo in any areas with any sort of AA considering how big it isYou overestimate the efficiency of AA. It all depends on the number of missiles being available, you can literally start knocking out that same AA with them, if you shoot like a dozen of them instead of one.
>>64456500>you couldn’t refute anything>>64456413>I didn’t had any argumentsDear ziggie, I’m still waiting for your arguments that I’m supposes to refute lmao
>>64456476If you see someone seethe about Bandera it's always either an actual puccian or a bunkertranny
>>64456506its 12 meters long and 6-8 meters wide thats a small airplane flying at subsonic speedsif they could target drones of this size i dont see how they cant target this missile >>64456340>>64456507bitch please you got owned and served shut up move on and grow up
>>64456511>No arguments>Nothing to refute>Just shut up already you’re totally ownedTurns out that if you go at it for long enough, the firehose of falsehood stops working.
>>64456511>its 12 meters long and 6-8 meters wide>thats a small airplane flying at subsonic speedsSo what, it's not only about size and speed.>if they could target drones of this size i dont see how they cant target this missile The effective range for finding the target and shooting it down depends on a ton of parameters, including how high the target flies. There's a reason tomahawks murdered russian AA in Syria for example - flying in low allowed them to get close by without being found or targeted. Now neither Neptune or Flamingo are tomahawk grade in their targeting, but still.
>>64456420>malnourished>lazy eye>rotten teeth>age between 18 and 38Yup, it's a homo sovieticus
>>64456523>So what, it's not only about size and speed.i mean we both can agree that its not agile whatso ever
>>64456523>The effective range for finding the target and shooting it down depends on a ton of parameters, including how high the target flies. There's a reason tomahawks murdered russian AA in Syria for example - flying in low allowed them to get close by without being found or targetedthey didnt flew inside of their targetting envelope anon that would be stupid to do so
>>64456531My brother in Christ, the russian AA lets through cesnas filled with explosives, how much less agile and slow you can make a target?
>>64456535how do you know this?again this is stupid to claim we literally have no idea if and where are the aa
>>64446782I feel like people here are letting their feelings blind them to the fact that ukrainians are slavniggers one level removed from their subhuman relatives to the north. They are a product of the same things that brought us modern day Russia and are liable to the same sort of underhanded tactics and thurdie mentality. I would not put it past them, for a moment, that they won't resort to lying and propaganda, especially when there are so many western gibs on the line.
>>64456536>how do you know this?We've seen this happen since late soviet times (google Mathias Rust 1987) all the way to today with ukie small civilian planes full of explosives hitting russian targets.
>>64456545i was hoping that you would have said that russia is big but i guess people still miss that there is no way to cover even the frontlines with AA orany meaningfull coverage anyways
>>64456546>but i guess people still miss that there is no way to cover even the frontlines with AAMathias Rust landed on the red square
>>64456500you are a zigger :)
>>64456551>Mathias Rustyes you missed a lot of info tho mainly cause he was actually talking to atc and he also got intercepted
>>64456523why are you arguing with a literal zigger shill? he won't ever agree with you or anything and endlessly deflect, change subject, move goalposts etc.just call every zigger a zigger and move the fuck on
>>64456556Their propaganda shit needs to be denied for the benefit of random lurkers who might no know better. Simple as.
>>64456556still butthurt it seems
>>64456559allright, i can appreciate thathowever when you argue with them, you also give show them what works and what doesn't, and then they refine their zigger shilling algorithm and post on facebook and reddit where normies lap it upanyway, keep up the good work anon
>>64456580zigger :)
>>64456534Anon...
>>64446782UA has been hitting enemy facilities thousands of miles beyond Flamingo or Tomahawk range. But sure, you keep watching the skies.
>>64446782It's kinda irrelevant t b h when all of the ziggie refineries are burning. Proof is in the pudding
>>64456256Not only are Euros worth more than rubles, you can buy better shit for cheaper with them
>>64446782>Are flamingoes actually being mass producedof course not, the brits had only so many prototypes to test in their eastern slavbox> or is it yet another scam trying to get a slice of ukraine’s military funding pieyes and no
>>64456589dont just dont...we already talked about 2018 to death and beyond back then
>>64448335Motor sich still manufactures the Al-25. I'm not sure if FP-5 uses new built or refurbished turbines. I think maybe related to the company (fire point) getting indicted in some kind of corruption investigation
>>64456314How long have the Ukrainians really spent developing flamingo?The engines are a pre existing model, for example, they've had however many decades of design, testing amd implementation go into them already, just at a different point in time
>>64447720good bait 8/10
>>64456479>hence the stuff they've developed and built was often so bad to the point of being unusable.no it wasn't, what the fuck are you smoking>there's a reason why pretty much all of the soviet aces flew western planes.that never happened thoughe.g. Ivan kozhedub flew an La-5 and then an La-7. He scored more than any American or British ace btw
>>64456652The only part of this missile that requires actual precision machinery tooling and metallurgy is the engine. Luckily that can be manufactured outside UA while the final product is assembled by UA hands in UA. If God is willing, Ukraine can deliver them en masse to destroy these child rapists ability to regenerate more mindless Z hordes.
>everyone who points out the truth is a zigger
>>64456683>what i say is truth>but i won't prove it>just trust me :)zigger :)
>>64456683The only truth I see is an accelerating timetable of infrastructure destruction in Russia, with the Ukrainian attacks gaining in audacity, technical skill and effectiveness every night.
>>64456299Because they don't particularly want to celebrate killing the people shoved into the meatgrinder by Russia, but are pretty happy to relay when someone personally deserving of a JDAM to the face gets the closest equivalent available.I know it's difficult to understand the idea that not everyone has rampant bloodthirst and casual disregard for life, but it's true.
>>64456377>irrelevant noisesI'm not interested, you can go >>>/gfys/
>>64456714>accelerating timetable of infrastructure destruction in Russia
>>64456679>no it wasn't, what the fuck are you smokingMy brown commieboo friend, it was in fact unusable. Even soviet stats and docs highlighted a ton of the issue, that's despite how soviet system wanted to hide things. Issues with production and R&D were blamed on "wreckers" and foreign agents.
>>64448083You can be pro-uke and realize they also lie and shit, that's not like exclusive like vatniks will defend any stupid thing.
>>64456951>muh both sides
>>64447720>ImageTrolling is a art.
>>64450818I've made peace with this. No matter how much time passes, I will always be a newfag. No matter what season it is, I will always be cancer as the summer is eternal. My understanding shows me that suicide is my only option, but I persist out of spite.
>>64447720What the fuck is this shit you retarded nigger faggot?
>>64456947>Even soviet stats and docs highlighted a ton of the issue,What issue(s) in particular? It's impossible that all the different classes of soviet equipment , ranging from anti-tank rifles to self-propelled guns and fighter planes, had the exact same problemHowever, there is plenty of evidence for the effectiveness of Soviet kit, most notably that the ussr won and that the ussr killed like 80% of nazis killed (too lazy to look up the exact figure rn)
>>64457005It's a art, that's what it is.>>64447720God, i still can remember how desu became a thing on /b/, it's been over twenty years by now.
>>64457031I feel weird desu-posting because I'm very clearly like one of only five people who does it anymore, desu
>>64457029>What issue(s) in particular?From pushing out tanks, planes and other shit out the factory door which wasn't fully assembled or had pieces missing outright. To shit being impossibly unreliable. To shit being so bad to the point of being barely usable (ehm... sledgehammer for the gear shift lever isn't a meme).
>>64456299it will happen to you retarded cockroach shills too lmaohope it was worth it
>>64456380>we had drones way before usaBefore the 1917 October Revolution?
>>64457034>I feel weird desu-posting because I'm very clearly like one of only five people who does it anymore, desuI just very slightly post-date desu and only absorbed the memes second-hand. Just enough to have saved a bunch of them though.
>>64457034Desu, desu, desu.Shit, gotta stop before i turn into a japanese.
>>64450518skill issue
>>64450725I hope Japan gets Sakhalin back
>>64456299Lol Ukraine is going to hunt and kill every little vatnigger that set foot in their country. Then they'll find the shills like (you) ))))))))
>>64457059>he doesn't knows torpedoes are literally the basis for all cruise missiles (the first "guided" munition ever designed) and in fact early cruise missiles were called "glide/flying torpedoes"Unmanned flight predates manned flight by decades too.
>>64457034Years ago, I used to have a link to a public google drive of thousands upon thousands, maybe even in the 5 figure range, of pics of Suiseiseki. I'm not sure there are even that many separate frames of her in Rozen Maiden. I would take all the desu in the world over yet more r*dditjaks, twitter screencaps, and other trash.
>>64457029>What issue(s) in particular? It's impossible that all the different classes of soviet equipmentSoviets killed off all their competent middle managers, first in the cities because competency is a threat, then in the rural peasant bosses because they were Kulaks and class enemies.They also put all their scientists in Gulags, but then realized their mistake and rehabilitated their name, forcing them to make stuff.Because of this they could still make good stuff, but production was still a clusterfuck (that's why, amongst other things, the systems of engineering bureaus became a thing). It is actually easier to engineer a good weapon system than it is to create a system that efficiently mass produced said good weapon. Of course the whole "communism" energy disincentives good things at every level. You just need a handful of brilliant engineers and scientists to create a prototype. Being brilliant, they don't fuck up as much and generally smart people don't like fucking up even if they don't get anything out of it. Meanwhile, a mass production system requires thousands of hands, each of which is less-brilliant than the designers, and each new person in the system introduces another opportunity to fuck something crucial up.Example: Soviets were importing western planes as parts kits between the end of WW1 and that start of WW2. They had issues successfully PUTTING THE MANUFACTURES PLANE TOGETHER, let alone doing that AND actually building the planes themselves first. Luckily (or unluckily) non-Russians like Antonov and Korolev saves the vatnik union's ass. They should have bailed like Sikorsky but I understand that wasn't always possible.
>>64457057
>>64457029>most notably that the ussr wonIt buried the enemy in the bodies of its own men. The actual losses (which might be over 40 million men) are still kept classified, extending the status every couple of years, for that reason. This is despite the fact that on paper in 1941 ussr was already stronger than germany.also, a lot of soviet things worked only due to lend lease from uk and us
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>>64457057>>64457130He got isekai'd.
>>64457047>From pushing out tanks, planes and other shit out the factory door which wasn't fully assembled or had pieces missing outright.IIRC this was basically "let's not bother painting the tank because it will literally drive around the block and already be in combat"> To shit being impossibly unreliable. Like what? I heard of overlapping wheels on tigers leading to maintenance headaches but haven't heard similar stories about soviet shit>To shit being so bad to the point of being barely usable (ehm... sledgehammer for the gear shift lever isn't a meme).I'm pretty sure it is though. The only primary source I found is Sewell, Stephen (6 July 1998). "Why Three Tanks?"https://d34w7g4gy10iej.cloudfront.net/pubs/pdf_33759.pdf>A KV-1 Model1941 sent to the US in 1942 for evalu-ation was found to be using a 20-year-old American Holt (Caterpillar) trans-mission design. This transmission wasthe main stumbling block of the KV-1,and there was some truth to rumors ofSoviet drivers having to shift gears witha hand sledge.My interpretation of this is that, while the transmission was indeed bad, it's unclear whether the use of a sledgehammer was actually true or just rumor or hyperbole. Personally I find it hard to believe that the driver would had enough space to use a sledgehammer.
>>64457147holy quotefail whatever though. I'm too lazy to unfuck the formatting
>>64447720I had a laugh
>>64457147Is this AI or a terminal case of youtube fudlore? conflating facts like that, lmao
>>64457057>>64457130
>>64457147The "Pomon" air filter on the early versions of the T-34 was one notable example.
>>64456951Ukrainians like to lie by omission to either make the Russians underestimate them or to sew deep paranoia in them.
>>64457059i mean if we stretch it we can also go back to ancient greece
>>64457093>I hope Japan gets Sakhalin backI believe much of the population is ethnic Ukrainian, transported by Stalin as the usual cultural genocide and local detabilising sort of fuckery.
>>64456219You are trying way too hard. If the price hike didn't happen, why has the Russian government gone out of its way to asure the citizens that they will solve the price hike problem?
>>64457313You can tell he's either a russian or an idiot that bought into their external narrative. It was the same with when western goods in super markets were partly removed from Russia, on the outside it was just>XAXAXA! Like we give a fuck, we can make it our own, we can even make it bettern than the West and it also will be healthier, this will boost the russian economyand then in the actual closed russian telegram groups the russian plebs were writing entire different stuff>there are whole shelf in my supermarket that are empty>the russian cheese i bought is like double the price and has a consistency like old rubber>anyone knows how what's the best way to freeze stuff from McDonalds and how long you can keep it frozen?>what are the best foods that stay good the longest? i wanna stack up before prices go even higher and ruble is worth lot less
Where to easily get a desperate russian or ukrainian wife? Go to a big refugee camp in Rzeszów? I'd like to date someone out of my league/way taller for once and can't think of a better equalizer than this war>inb4 assholeEveryone wins here, she gets to escape shithole war torn country with both canadian/euro citizenship with a comfortable financial situation and I get a tall beautiful wife to creampie daily that will help me raise beautiful children>t.5'9 upper middle class canadian manlet
>>64457603No memes.Seeking.comYou'll be paying her for the privilege but if you can handle a slavic sugar baby long term, trophy wife as an upgrade path isn't out of the question.
>>64456219Yes, yes, the fuel shortages in Russia totally have nothing to do with their refineries exploding. No way there's any causal link there at all.Just kys already, zigger.
>>64457609Ok but how about a less risky way to get one? I'm not dumb to sink over 20k CAD to get a cold, spoiled materialistic princess. I'm more into these kind >>64457603 of women, quiet/hard working simple women from a village or small city or even well educated but I'm not into bimbos. Any other options in Canada? Maybe go to western Canada and get one from the big ukrainian diaspora?
>>64457634>Ok but how about a less risky way to get one? Go there and work as a volunteer, either civilian or military.Impress one with your courage and compassion and marry her the old fashioned way.>I'm not dumb to sink over 20k CAD to get a cold, spoiled materialistic princess. What kind do you expect to be a passport whore?CAD$20k is honestly kind of cheap for what we're talking about.>I'm more into these kind >>64457603 of women, quiet/hard working simple women from a village or small city or even well educatedThey stayed in Ukraine or they're in European capitals working and sending money and goods back to Ukraine to support the war.They're not whores so they're not marrying random Canadian losers who's only means to attract women is flashing a little money around.You want a woman who would not want you.The war isn't so bad, on the home front, that women are going to open their legs for you to escape from it. The ones who would, you've already rejected. You're back to only wanting women who don't want you.
>>64457667Hmm you make good points. I guess I'll settle with a local 5/10. Cheers
Did i just witness a normal conversation where both sides talk reasonable, honest and actually come to the same conclusion? Maybe there is still hope.
>>64457603Don't, they will make your life hell. If you insist, go to some event whete you help ukrainan refugees, e.g. teaching them to code in python or smth. Learn Russian because ukrainain refugees tend to speak it and not ukrainian.>t. Russian in usa
>>64457603Go to Ukraine as some sort of civilian volunteer. In Kyiv (more modern and cosmopolitan) or Lviv (more traditional) it's pretty safe.
>>64457731>Did i just witness a normal conversation where both sides talk reasonable, honest and actually come to the same conclusion?The /pol/tards have lost interest or shills have ended their shift, it's actual /k/ losers here now.We can talk sensibly if it's wildly off topic like this because it's not triggering the flavours of autism that brought us to /k/ in the first place.
>>64457618>the fuel shortages in Russiayou mean the shortages that happened only in crimea and somewhere in the russian far east and lasted for about a week?>No way there's any causal link there at all.you're right, there probably isn't, or we'd be seeing shortages for far longer and in more regions. however a problem with distribution is a plausible explanation.
>>64457104sorry timmy but ukraine will run out of bodies long before russia does.>>64457313>why has the Russian government gone out of its way to asure the citizens that they will solve the price hike problem?when did this happen? feel free to provide a link to the russian government saying that.
>>64456545Point of order, Rust's plane was shadowed by Migs that got close enough (Almost stalling to pace him) to determine it was no threat. He didn't just appear on the red square unannounced.
>there's no shortages>refineries getting hit don't have a causal link to fuel shortages>okay there was a fuel shortage but only in Crimea and some far-away oblast somewhere, and it was short-lived you stupid xoxol stop asking questionsFucking Russians. I fucking despise this slimy mala fide discussion tactics that they always do.
>>64457775this is good advice too. also, this is how you know that the "civilians are being targeted" narrative is bullshit. nobody will ever tell you "go volunteer in gaza, it's safe">>64457847>wht do you mean the thing that happened a month ago is no longer happening? NO, THAT CAN'T BE, YOU'RE A VATNIGGER!!!! ZIGGER!!!!you unironically need to go back to kindergarten to have the notions of past, present and future re-explained to you.
>>64457864>this is how you know that the "civilians are being targeted" narrative is bullshitIt's not. Literally today a children's hospital was bombed in Kherson. Like a dozen people got hurt, including kids.
>>64457864>russians release videos of themselves deliberately targeting civilians>russians gloat about targeting civilians>russians indiscriminately attack residential areas with drones, missiles, and artillery daily>Pfft russia targeting civilians? Sounds like bullshitI can smell the shit and curry through the monitor.
>this is how you know that the "civilians are being targeted" narrative is bullshitAh yes because two of the most protected cities in Ukraine, far away from the fighting, don't experience cynical terror bombing means that Russkies don't explicitly target civilians at every chance that they get. The reason why Kyiv and Lviv are relatively safe is because Russians are incompetent subhumans, not because they are humane war fighters.>>64457882Watch him now kvetch and seethe and do a mental acrobatic backflip as he tries to justify Russian subhumans bombing kids.
>>64457892>>64457882you're not fooling anyone. it's very well-established that 1. neither side is interested in attacking the other side's civilians2. both sides are interested in defending their military assets and don't mind having a few AD oopsies that harm their own civiliansso if a ukrainian civilian gets hit, you can be sure that ukrainian AD is to blame. same principle applies for russian civilians and Russian AD >>64457892>>russians release videos of themselves deliberately targeting civilians>>russians gloat about targeting civilians>>russians indiscriminately attack residential areas with drones, missiles, and artillery dailyproofs?
>>64457946lol, lmao
>>64457946>russian ad constantly friendly fires>this obviously means ukrainian does the same
>>64457946>proofsI, too, enjoyed krautchan in 2014.
>>64457946>1. neither side is interested in attacking the other side's civiliansWell, Ukraine isn't.Russia has been engaged in terror bombing for years.Decades if you include the Chechen war also.
>>64457946>human safaris, done by "ordinary russian dindus" who hunt ukie civilians for donations from other "ordinary russian dindus" aren't actually real, it's hohol propaganda>no, no, no, brave russian liberators don't post fpv videos of them hitting police and emergency services cars calling them "TCC">Mariupol and other towns in drumnbass were turned to rubble by hohols as they destroyed their settlements out of spite fr fr, don't believe wectoid lies
>>64456404take away the vodka and give him some tattoos and suddenly he's representing the Aryan Nation instead of Kazan
>timmy
>>64455400It's the dildo of consequences.
>>64457946>proofs?inb4 you're just goading me into posting 'nsfw' footage so you can get me b&
>>64457946>>64458062Oh and>what double-taps with missiles or sneeds to kill rescuers as they pull survivors from the ruins of apartment buildings? we're christian or something, we'd NEVER do that!https://x.com/Bricktop_NAFO/status/1981248144957468978
>>64457946>1. neither side is interested in attacking the other side's civiliansMy brown friend, russian literally do so-called "human safaris" (that how they call them themselves), specifically targeting random civilians. I'd advise you to kill yourself, but your troon ass will most likely do that either way.
>>64458074I gotta tell you, I absolutely love the Timmy 'slur' it's just so quintessentially brown, wypipl legitimately never could have come up with such a brutal self report
>>64458108And the roody-poo who originally coined that term is now worm food, lol
>>64458132Different guy who just looked vaguely similar. /pol/ lies about everything. The original guy is still posting tiktoks.
