Why does the Israeli Navy consists only of boats, corvettes and submarines? Not even one frigate?
Because their primary focus on defense(offense) is via land borders with its neighbors
Principal surface combatants are fucking expensive, and generally something you can do without if you primary area of interest is your own littoral waters.Wait, no, that's not right. *ahem*Because they know that surface ships are obsolete in the face of hypersonic ballistic drone swarms carrying thermonuclearbaric warheads, so why bother?
>>64446940Because every IDF sailor remembers what their air force does to any boat as big as the USS Liberty.
>>64446940Aren't the SAAAAR corvettes actually frigates
>>64447030>>64447515They also remember the Eliat being assfucked by Styxes. Both episodes convinced them that any surface combatant larger than a patrol boat was going to destroyed by aircraft or AShMs and was going to be a waste of the crew going down with it
>>64446940It's a small country with an even smaller EEZ.
>>64446940If they ever needed or wanted to do a blue water operation they'd just tell the US to do it for them.
Would the Arab world flip out if Israel commissioned a couple of Gerald Ford carriers and parked them in the Gulf?
>>64448114What would be the purpose of having carriers to fly targets already in range of your land based airbases. Also, why would they commission them when they can just tell the US where to send them?
>>64446940A navy is a very expensive way to engage in force projection.Israel does not need to project force across the ocean.
>>64448037Singapore is way smaller and they are building six 8,000 ton corvettes
Israel needs to be larger. They got a very small sliver of Syria in the late unpleasantness and some outposts in Lebanon but it's not enough IMO. Better than before the war, but a land bridge to the Druze in Suweyda would be ideal in the north. Along with a cleansed Lebanon up to the litani river. Hezbollah is refusing to disarm so they'll get another chance to expand there soon. Hamas won't disarm either, so looks Gaza is going to be less than half it's former size.
>>64446940you dont need a navy just to bulldoze apartments and hospitals, better to save the shekels for more bulldozers
>>64448114They could fit every joo on those carriers
>>64448285Keyed.
they don't have blue water ambitions, so the ships don't need to be hugetheir corvettes are still very well armed for their size and their submarines can strike land targets all across the wider MENA region
>>64448018nahthey're based on the Braunschweig-class corvettes
>>64448238singapore is an island state adjacent to the south china seashit comparison
>>64448589>eilat classSaar, it's sa'aar.
>>64448940fun fact, the Israeli Sa'ar 6 based on the German K130 corvette hull is more heavily armed at 1,900t than the German F125 frigate at 7,200twell not really fun, just a pathetic display for Germany
>>64448973Why is that pathetic? It's built to Israeli specs and armed with what they chose to equip it. Germany builds them and gives them to Israel as reparations. As they should.
>>64448128I could see the logic. The IDF tends to have a hard time getting overflight permission so for a regular country it would make sense to be able to move your airfields to bypass that, but Israel just violates airspace and dgaf so its kind of a solution to a problem they don't have. Also I think their force is just too small to maintain a CSG, and it can't really be done with conscripts.
>>64446940Because the IDF is based around, well, defense of its borders. So their navy branch is just a coast guard. They have no interest in power projection or be floating around outside their immediate coast. Same reason their ground forces have no capacity to be sent far away on expeditionary missions.Any other answer is only partially right or just presumption.
>>64449023the pathetic thing is that a 1,900t corvette is more heavily armed than a 7,200t frigate
>>64448589This is a bit outdated.Most notable change is Israel now has 4 larger Corvettes which are armed more heavily than most Frigates in addition to the older Saar-5Also 2 Frank S. Besson landing ships were acquired in 2024.also 6th dolphin has since been delivered and is being prepped for serviceFor future procurements, the navy mainly wants 3 more submarines (even larger and dubbed Dolphin III) to expand the submarine fleet even further, which may be able to launch ballistic missiles despite being conventionally powered. However Germany may become politically unreliable in wake of the gaza war so other sources are being considered such as South Korea or Japan.The Sa'ar 4.5's will be replaced by 6 Reshef (Saar-72) Missile Corvettes. Construction will be conducted domestically in Israel and began in 2024. They are going to be heavily overarmed despite being only 800 tons, having a 76mm gun, 8 AShM's, 16 Barak SAM's, and 6 324mm Torpedoes as well as a helicopter landing pad.There is no desire to really expand the surface fleet any further though. To save money the navy is mainly going to invest in large amount of drones including suicide ISV's.
>>64449241>This is a bit outdated.yes, it's from 2017 and says so>However Germany may become politically unreliablelol, no>so other sources are being considered such as South Korea or Japan.they won't cover 1/3 of the cost like Germany does so I highly doubt it
>>64449348Germany was under huge pressure to prevent the delivery of the Drakon. Their centrist government could easily go far-left and then become an enemy state like spain or ireland until they get switched back out.
>>64449503>Germany was under huge pressure to prevent the delivery of the Drakon.source? this was never even considered.>Their centrist government could easily go far-leftno it can't lol. the far-left is around 10%, the entire rest of the political landscape is pro-Israel.>an enemy state like spain or irelandholy shit you guys are neurotic
>>64446940>Israeli NavyThe early days of their navy is a great story.>be Israel Navy>1961>under gunned at sea>idea: missle-up six boats>scope creep: let's add guns too>Israel gets Germany to help pay (!)>order 12 "patrol boats" from a French shipyard in Cherbourg>modified versions of German Jaguar torpedo boat, descended from E-boats of WW II>7 of the Cherbourg boats were launched and sailed for Israel>1968>Israeli commandos raid Beirut airport in Lebanon, a former french colony>le French go full turbo French>French president de Gaulle orders an arms embargo on Israel>le virtue signalling in 1969>5 remaining patrol boats still in France, still under construction>bought and paid for by Israel, in France>boats subject to arms embargo>France: "you own it, but you can't have it">Israel could still do test at sea but had to return boats each night>retired Israeli Navy rear admiral, living in Paris has a plan, a cunning plan>"the distinction between legal and illegal may be no wider than a lawyer's comma" -- Rear Adm. Mordechai Limon>Norwegian, working with Israel, offers to buy boats from France ... for offshore oil exploration you see>mon dieu! Le free money!>22 December, Israel cancels the original contract w/ France>Israel arranges to pay Norwegian firm for 5 boats>Norwegian firm buys 5 boats from France>23 Dec>Israel navy deploys merchant ships at points along the 3,000 mile route from Cherbourg to Haifa>learn-at-sea-refuel.mp3>100 Israeli sailors flown to Paris in civilian clothing>Israel supply officers slowly supply ship, ordering more than needed>ditto fuel>slowly board boats and hide below decks>Christmas Eve, 8 pm, departure>boats dash out of Cherbourg>just-testing-our-engines.wav>mad dash for Israel>refuel near Gibraltar, and again near Crete>arrive in Israel New Year's Eve 1970Source: https://defence-point.com/2019/12/19/the-story-of-the-missile-boats-israel-quot-stole-quot-from-france/
>>64451034Boats prove useful>October 1973>Yom Kippur war, battle of Latakia>first night, four Israeli missile boats and three Syrian missile boats face off>Syrians fire first>first-ever missile-v-missile battle at sea>Soviet Styx missiles on both sides>Israel has electronic jamming, Syria does not>Syria misses>Israeli boats close and destroy two Syrian missile boats>Syrian captain of third missile boat>out of missiles, beaches boat so crew can escape>two nights later, three Egyptian missile boats sunk by Israel>after fourth day of Yom Kipur war, Arab fleets remain in their harbors>Israel shipping lanes to Haifa remain open
>>64448931And Pissrael is adjacent to both the Suez Canal and Red Sea, has an EEZ full of offshore gas fields it needs to defend, has had its major ports blockaded in every one of its major wars while it in turns needs to maintain a naval blockade of Gaza. It has no reason not to have a significant navy
>>64448589I'm more surprised Israel didn't demand Ohio/Los-Angeles or Virginia class subs
>>64451203because they have a port in the red sea the suez isn't relevant to them retardand the threat to their offshore gas fields are non state actors >has had its major ports blockaded in every one of its major wars while it in turns needs to maintain a naval blockade of Gaza.eilat isn't a major port and you don't need a blue water navy to stop fishing boats
>>64446940Don't need more for illegally blockading starving kids and bombing and kidnapping aid workers.
>>64451425>wants nukesSSK makes more sense.>better in shallow depths of Med>don't really have a need for months long deep water ocean patrolsImagine if they decide to operate in the Suez Canal, probably have to sail around the Horn of Africa. Brutal.
