bout 350

>>64447479
*tree fiddy

>>64447486
yeah

What constitutes "conquered" anyway?
To take over the existing government?
To have control over every square metre of land?

>>64447479
350 space marines? absolutely. half that if it's an actually smart chapter like the raptors, raven guard or ultramarines

>>64447502
yeah

>>64447502
You need like 400 space Marines just to (fail to) conquer a planet of like 12 million people, the Earth has 7 billion people, they're gonna need a lot more people than that.

>>64447520
>400 space marines to conquer a planet of (insert number here)
source me that nigga, decapitation strikes on leaders and strategic capabilities makes conquering easy as fuck, especially if you have a fucking space ship that's bigger than Manhattan

Exterminatus.

>>64447597
Taros Campaign.

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>>64447499
Achieving capitulation of every government on Earth and being able to collect taxes and maintain governments in every region, insurgents can exist so long as they aren't holding territory.

>>64447755
Sounds like more of a "shock and awe" territory than "number of soldiers" territory.
Microwave life off from one of the continents from the space, and then send a threat to do the rest of the world too unless they capitulate and pay the tithe.

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>>64447520
Space Marines don't work like that, retard. A small strike force of two companies, some veterans and auxiliaries could conquer the mote autocratic countries within a day. The democratic west would require morw wetwork, but a week tops. The campaign would mostly revolve around heavily armoured guys showing up suddenly in a government doomsday bunker, shooting it up and then taking over the existing hierarchy. Easier to do in Russia than in the US, obviously.

>>64447800
>>64447597
>>64447775
>yeah just a few hundred marines would do it
>space navy does literally all the heavy lifting

>>64447502
Raptors are incompetent. The whole joke is that they're the one group that actually does the whisky tango camo acog shit and everyone else does the same job in half the time by just flying in on motorcycles and cutting everyone up with swords. It's a setting where you can win a war by just standing on top of a hill and stabbing everyone charging up at you.

Unless they rewrote that to sell shit like phobos, who suck ass and also aren't any good.

>>64447755
I figure you'd need at least a billion dudes for that, even if you could just snipe everyone important from orbit

>>64447477
wouldn't you like to know, greenskin boy?

>>64447477
>40k picture
>time waiting question
I know what your are scheming at (((farseer)))

>>64447477
"collapsing" earth's logistics and economics is just a matter of leveling around a hundred locations, easy. Honestly just the largest 100 cities in America and China (all the big Chinese Dams, obviously) would totally fuck the global economy and lead to famines that would kill a billion, if not more. Then there's no fuel in the ships and jets, no power for internet systems, and you're free to do what you want. You wont have established any kind of "order", but there won't be any kind of coherent modern resistance in a year.


If you can "surprise" teleport or drop your soldiers in literally wherever you want, with modern armaments it theoretically wouldn't take more than a hundred thousand men to bring the world economy crashing down permanently. A million men is more realistic, though.

>>64447755
Literally a billion soldiers, if not more.

>>64447502
>>64447520
>>64447800
Without orbital assets, an entire Space Marine chapter could certainly collapse the world economy if they just appeared with perfect precision in a bunch of sensitive areas, they could cause global chaos and the collapse of global order, a couple billion deaths, but they'd have to do it by spreading themselves absurdly thinly, and would take almost 100% casualties.

They would certainly not be able to create any kind of global order afterwards, the few survivors could of course order around warbands of barbarians to their hearts content, but world logistics would be annihilated.

10 Night Lords
8000-10000 Iron Losers with millions of Solar Auxilia

>>64448118
>destroying cities with massively dense populations and no food production will cause mass famines
It would create a short term logistical mess and long term economic mess but its unlikely it cause starvation in the billions.
Now if you went for infrastructure, power plants, fuel refineries and deports, ports and airports you'll be creating some problems. Futher destabilise law and order by annihilating key parts of government, media and law enforcement and those cities all become starving liabilities filled with warlords who will attack anyone and everyone else for food.

The Imperium does not extinguish humans unless absolutely necessary, they see them as future cannon fodder and cogs for their galactic conquest.

They would send someone like Sanguinius, Horus or Girlyman to convince/force Earf to surrender and join the Imperium. All the armies on the planet will say fuck off and get rekt eventually, terms will be offered again and if Earf refuses again and still fight to the end only then they'll glass the planet.

>>64447897
the current militaries of the planet don't number a billion and they control it
>>64448125
the way the imperium holds most worlds is by having a large, autonomous, locally recruited and maintained PDF (planetary defense force) commanded by the planetary government. it's their job to deal with the insurgents and riots and such. most planets never even see the astartes, if shit goes wrong the guard might show up to help deal with the xenos or chaos and if the planet rebels the guard comes down to kick their teeth in with superior heavy weapons and orbital support

>>64448155
The Imperium often fights recalcitrant worlds, the guard typically deals with this just fine. How large the army that needs to be committed depends on the population, most worlds are far less densely populated than Earth so a couple regiments can often deal with them. For Earth they'd need a proper invasion force hundreds of thousands or millions strong, and extensive orbital bombardment.

They wouldn't try to hold the planet directly, instead they'd pick some country that played ball (e.g. Brazil) and give them license to move in and subjugate the rest

>>64447502
space marines aren't there to conquer and hold planets, they're there to serve as elite shock troops in conventional warfare and also to fight a large variety of nightmarish things that a conventional army isn't designed to tackle

conquering Earth would be the perfect job for a Naval-Guard task force, no Astartes required.

>>64448181
>They wouldn't try to hold the planet directly, instead they'd pick some country that played ball (e.g. Brazil) and give them license to move in and subjugate the rest
This and it would be so fucking easy for them, most the world would be begging to be their puppets day one. Nobody wants to be on the losing side and the firepower and tech difference between a galatic empire and earth would be like the zulu war

>>64448142
Anon if you stopped international trade for ten months 90% of Africa would be dead.

>>64448221
I wasn't counting them because that happens either way and should improve logistics for the Earth.
I was more putting forward the point that if you want famine as a goal you should deliberate leave dependent populations intact, especially dense ones.

>>64448195
I'm sure some countries would try to fight, at least at first. The guard would have to help whichever country or group of countries were selected to form the planetary government in establishing control and destroying key points of resistance, but they wouldn't stick around for the occupation.

Modern people have forgotten that for most empires throughout history, some baseline level of insurgency was just a fact of life. You put some local henchmen in charge of dealing with it in return for license to enrich themselves off any proceeds.

>>64447477
Just one sufficiently large soldier would suffice

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>>64448195
>Nobody wants to be on the losing side and the firepower and tech difference between a galatic empire and earth
you and I both know that lil Kim would most definitely fuck around

>>64448155
Bitch please. We would fold the moment that a 7 foot tall 11/10 blond gigachad beamed down and asked us to capitulate.

The only wars that would be fought would be over who gets to suck Sanguinius' cock first.

Would would a space marine do if hit by anti-tank weapon?

>>64447800
Yeah we’ve seen this play out before, the space marines would just get ambushed since you can reliably expect them to go after the leadership so everybody knows where they’re going to attack

>>64448424
Die

>>64447477
>red dots and acogs on picatinny rails
Hold up, why is this a thing? Most patterns have integrated fucking scope rails! Who is responsible for this heresy?

>>64448568
Modern artists trying to make things more "Modernized" and "Believable"

>>64448424
Probably just get hurt, unless it's something like a tank shell.

>>64448345
>surrendering to a priest
>surrendering to an emo mass murderer
>surrender to a literal chud
>surrendering to a hedonist coomer
>surrendering to twins
>surrendering to a stinky faggot

>>64448571
But they legit had their own rail system that made it look modern and believable without looking like discount chinkshit?

>>64448634
Artists are retarded, yes.

>>64448195
It's not that simple, a lot of Guard regiments are straight up worse than modern militaries.

>>64447477
>Shoot down all the satellites
>Communications and surveillance systems instantly fall apart
>Chaos ensues
The next target is power plants.

>>64448665
>Chaos ensues
that's the last thing they want annon

>>64448345
Quality of life in the Imperium fucking sucks compared to modern Earth tho.

>>64448704
Except Russia. That's why they idolize 40k. It's a utopia to them!

>>64448704
This is assuming everyone on earth knows that. If we assume our real world and then Sanguinius and Blood Angels battle group suddenly appearing in orbit it would be over immediately. Gooners would have psyopped everyone to lust after him before he even finished introducing himself, and everyone else would just collectively come out as Nazis. Even the Jews.

>>64447477
>shoot president
>replace government
>rinse
>repeat
How many countries are there?
You could count the numbers of .50cal bullets needed and they'd fit in a satchel.
How

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>>64448762
Nah, the Imperium literally looks like the Strogg, nobody is going to look at a servitor or the malnourished serfs and slaves aboard a spaceship and think 'oh boy that looks like a prosperous society'

>>64448426
Depends on the chapter. If we're going with Papa Smurf's finest, a single company would be enough to capture earth in less than a century.
>Arrive in Cool Mcool battlebarge and announce with loudspeakers: Surrender or else.
>No one complies, so Captain Mcsmurf sends 3 Space Marines to Moscow and they shoot Putin's dick off.
>Russians fall over themselves to welcome their new blue liberators but are shocked when gay sex is banned, the trains run on time and rural russia has paved roads.
>China is bribed into shooting up russian rebels, with the promise to be coolest nation on earth, if they worhsip big E and continue to shoot unruly russians.
>Western Euros welcome blue marines with open arma once the free gas taps open up, they also think china is the coolest nation on earth and hope the far cooler chinese send the tithe in 10 million indians every 5 years as tithe to the administratum.
>The US puts up a fight but after 3 years of shooting up indians, Captain McSmurf and President Jimmy settle: the US remains the cooleat nation outside of earth and gets exclusive McDonalda export licences.
>The first golden arches are errected on Ultramar some time in the future and waffle house expands to Octarious and Catachan.
>By 2125 earth, the cooler holy terra, is part of the Imperium and sends endless legions of indiana to scam the enemies of mankind.

>>64448769
>president
What if I told you there exist different systems of governance, where the Prime Minister is the de facto head of state.

>>64448808
>among all this, North Korea is still independent, having somehow acquired a planet-cracker from somewhere
>it is rumored that their psykers are stronger than those in the Imperium due to a mysterious psychic essence called "juche" which they apparently imbibe
>Kim Jong-Un is 237 years old, his mecha-sister is in charge of his elite bodyguard unit

>>64448821
Place where I live doesn't count, dirty merican.
Who do you imagine is taking over your pathetic usa?

>>64448808
anon, macragge has a life expectancy in the 30s. they have worse living standards than russia.

>>64448424
depends on the weapon and where it hit
>pg7 to the leg
he'll rip your head off, stop the bleeding and get a new one
>multiple hits from DPICM submunitions to the torso
he dead

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>>64448852
>Shitty quality of life which they pretend makes them tough and manly
>Pretending that they're 'surrounded by enemies' and then deliberately creating enemies to make that true
>Acting like a persecuted minority when they inevitably suffer from the consequences of their own actions
>A cargo cult mentality towards any technology they don't understand while being reliant on ancient relics from a bygone age

>>64448664
most of them aren't though

>>64447477
If the tech gap is great enough, just one.

>>64448887
Out of some 37 named famous Imperial Guard regiments:
>2 of them use WW1 tactics
>2 of them are just straight up penal regiments
>3 of them use pre-gunpowder tactics
>2 of them use meth head druggie tactics (not counting the one that is also a penal regiment)
>6 of them use WW2 tactics
>3 of them are money focused regiments that try to avoid any dirty work or serious fighting
>6 of them use Napoleonic tactics
And these are considered the famous legendary regiments that we actually hear about, most regiments will be even worse than that.

>>64448902
most of the regiments are just
>generic lasgun infantry in fireteams/squads/platoons/companies
>generic Chimera IFV
>generic attached light artillery, scout, support elements

>>64448779
You've never met the average person, have you? Clearly they wouldn't become serfs. Everyone is the main character in their story. They would totally be the upper class who gets to enjoy the fruits of the slave labor.

>>64448902
you hear about the weird regiments because that's what everyone wants to write about dumbass. you don't hear about the generic "it's just army guys" ones

>>64448910
Okay but even so your average civilized world is going to look something like North Korea at best, we shouldn't expect they'll have a military more competent than them.

>>64448913
Lore-wise the average IG regiment is about as disciplined and professional as a European/American one from the 20th century under the draft. For the most part they're not 1337 hi speed lo drag oper8rs who are there to kick names and take ass but they're perfectly capable of following orders, maintaining discipline, implementing their relatively straightforward tactical doctrine of fire and maneuver, and winning most wars they're involved in.

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>>64448929
Are they tho? The average IG regiment might seem competent compared to, say, Chaos cultists or whatever rabble of ill-equipped militia occasionally rebels against the government, but against even tiny xenos enemies that are remotely on par with the Imperium tech-wise, the Guard gets used as utter cannon fodder while they rely on the Space Marines to actually accomplish anything of note.

>>64448929
>>64448913
>>64448910
it also bears mentioning that their entire order of battle is optimized for dealing with a huge variety of threats, many of which aren't human armies, and absorbing huge amounts of casualties when there are no other options. this leaves a force that isn't like 21st century sandbox volunteer armies because it's designed with very different goals in mind

>>64448932
in lore that wanks space marines, yes
in lore that stars the guard, no

I tend to side with the latter because just numbers-wise, the vast majority of conflicts aren't gonna have any involvement from the astartes yet the imperium is somehow trudging along anyway.

>>64448935
Like 99% of Imperial Guard conflicts are going to be taking place just suppressing rebellions on planets. When they are forced to fight xenos, most of the time they tend to lose without Space Marine aid.

It's just that the Imperium is so big that if the Imperium lost a planet every single day, it would still take over 2,700 years for it to fall.

>>64448852
So? Micky Ds is gonna give those midgets some nutrients.

>>64448947
>When they are forced to fight xenos, most of the time they tend to lose without Space Marine aid.
According to who? The lore is incredibly inconsistent on this. Read books about the guard and they win more than they lose.

>>64448983
Against who? Orks and cultists maybe, but they certainly aren’t winning most of their engagements against Necrons, Dark Eldar, or Tau, and I wouldn’t favor them against Chaos Space Marines either, or Tyranids.

>>64447477
Depends entirely on the state and technology involved. If they can offer and provide enough of an improvement to the quality of life of the world, than they can keep unrest down. if they have good enough soldiers and good transport capability, they can concievably drop wherever they want, take out targets, and leave before

there is no universal 'minimum man' requirement for any sort of war or occupation, it all depends.
>>64448929
lore-wise the 'average' IG regiment does not exist. you have pvt conscriptovich whose training consists of the time it took for his transport vessel to get to the front and cadia mc cadiaface who remembers his military drill more clearly than his mothers face. they're canonically frequently poor at combined arms tactics, anyways, given their propensity for splitting up various types of units and support into their own, independent regiments.
>>64448934
calling anything imperial 'optimized' is very funny, anon.
>>64448947
99% is an extreme stretch, the idea that most conflicts the guard engages in are 'just' rebellions is false.

on the other hand, the idea that they win most of their battles is just blatantly false, given the Imperiums consistent decline. more accurate to say they win campaigns, anyways, given how little most IG high commanders give a shit about their men.

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>>64449061
Yeah, there's this one minor battlefield that the Imperial Guard is fighting on, and they've suffered losses of millions of regiments fighting on it.

Not Guardsmen. Regiments. The losses are noted as being in the hundreds of billions, and morale has 'been declining for a while'. This is considered a minor battlefield of little importance. And this is just to stalemate an enemy that they vastly outnumber.

I can only assume that a battlefield of moderate or major importance to the Imperial Guard would involve tens of trillions of dead guardsmen.

>>64449073
i think you pulled this out your ass, but writers have never been good with numbers so this is potentially true.

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>>64449079
It's from the Deathwatch books, Jericho Reach, page 59
>"The war in the Canis Salient has ground to a brutal stalemate with the Imperoim unable to gain significant foothold within the greyhell Front, and the Tau forced to employ every trick and stratagem they know to fend off the Crusade’s forces. The endless conflict has seen hundreds of billions of Imperial guardsmen dead to the guns of the Tau and the paranoia of the their commanders, and morale has been slipping for years."

>>64447821
For marines all the bars are raised, glory stealing included.

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>>64448852
Agri world has lifespan in 30s not macragge itself though i wouldnt be suprised if lifespan on macragge was shit as well.

>>64449130
It’s Ultramar itself that has an average lifespan of the mid-30’s….before a bunch of wars and plagues and other disasters made it much worse. And Ultramar is considered an unusually prosperous region by Imperium standards. Granted, maybe Maccrage actually is a good place and it’s just the rest of Ultramar that’s utter shit.

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>>64449148
I decided to check comic itself and it seems you were right, so i guess its just writers not thinking about how you would sustain civilization when majority of imperial worlds are hinted to have life expectancy below 30.

>>64449061
>there is no universal 'minimum man' requirement for any sort of war or occupation, it all depends.
This. Cortez had more men than he actually needed, in the event.

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>>64449208
You can get pregnant around 12 years old, and people used to work from around the age of 7 onwards. This gives the girls a good 5 years of labor before it's time to start breeding, and the boys can work for 28 years before they keel over and die.

Hell, most people would become grandparents. A girl would give birth by 13, and then 12 years later she'd be only 25 when her child is pregnant. She'd have a whole 10 years left to enjoy her grandkids.

>>64447477
>>64447755
What is the expected return on said taxes ? Because the more of Earth we are allowed to blow UP, the less soldiers de need.

>>64449220
> She'd have a whole 10 years left to enjoy her grandkids.
That's for ultramar which is supposedly unusualy nice. If entire imperium was like this i wouldnt mind it since its borderline parody shithole anyway, its that other worlds are hinted to be much worse than this that makes it retarded.

>>64449275
Well, keep in mind you don't need to experience grandkids. Even if you die at 20, that still means that the boys are getting in a good 13 years of labor, and the mothers still have time to pop out 8 or so children.

>>64449300
elevated child mortality could of course push these numbers quite a lot towards believable

>>64448173
>militaries of the planet don't number a billion and they control it
They literally don't, nor do they have to conquer it.

>>64449275
The majority of humanity lives in hive worlds simply because hive worlds have huge populations despite being rare. There's not much about what goes on there since the under-hive takes all the attention, but you can guarantee heavily polluted air, water and food, along with punishing work hours and lack of sleep from the constant noise of industry. Civilized worlds aren't any better, given the extra injection of grimdark of the setting in recent years, they're going to more like the satanic mills of the industrial revolution, basically like hive worlds but with less technology and more space and you might actually have a chance of seeing sky if freak weather happens and the smog clears up.

>>64449208
Jezz, no wonder so many people join the Ad Mech when one of the first enhancements they offer you is replacing your blood with a fluid that among other things extends your lifespan to 500.

>>64450100
Oh, the regular joes in the admech don't get that. If you're a reguar peasant in the admech, they turn you in a Skitari, and your life will be incredibly short-lived because your own weapons give you radiation cancer.

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>>64447502
Space Marines can't conquer shit. 350 Space Marines would be useless since they aren't for that line of work. The point of space marines is just doing Super duper special ops. If you dropped 350 Space marines onto earth today and its just them, they would get their asses kicked by every military. Now if you were to drop those same 350 Space marines while the Imperial navy or Army were busy fighting then yeah they would wreck shit but 350 Space Marines would really accomplish anything by themselves.

>>64450245
Only if you're a vanguard, rangers get galvanic rifles.

>>64447477
200 space conquistadors could do it with hired help of some thirdie quislings, 90% of humans would die to space aids though since no woman could resist the big alien tentacle cock

>>64450265
Your average Space Marine are worth entire regiments, armies if they don't have their helmets on.

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>>64447477
>It's another warzigger thread
Something really big must've blown up!

>>64450857
Discussion of current events belongs on /pol/.

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>>64450904
so the final refinery has been hit...

>>64447477
ive run some simulations and about 6

Assuming we’re talking just, like infantry Marines, and what they can carry, and not implying the level of naval and infantry support they would be normally receiving, I can’t see less than like 500 million being able to take the planet. I mean, they have a fairly powerful short range weapon, and armor the can survive the majority of handheld small arms. That’s not massively impressive. There is a low intensity war going on right now where dozens of tanks with superior armament, speed, and armor are being destroyed every single day. I don’t care about the hardness of the fantasy metal, a javelin or Maverick or moderately sized bomb is absolutely cooking alive a space marine. Any attempt at open combat would be met by a longbow Apache, barely even within visual range, launching hellfires until it’s out of ammo and has to be relieved by the 40 Apaches behind it. Most attempts of stealth or subterfuge would be foiled by them being goddamn massive genetic freaks, unable to blend in in any society. You would need an apocalyptically massive army for them to constitute an apocalypse..

>>64450987
Also, all of this is assuming that they don’t run out of ammo within a couple of hours, which is logically what would happen if they didn’t have a navy behind them.

>>64450857
>>64450910
>Someone posting about sci-fi/fantasy shit but if they were applied in real life
>Its those Stinky Ziggers!!
War tourist like you should go back to your queer discords and stay there. People making threads about 40k or whatever scifi/fantasy shit is a staple of /k/.

>>64447477
you guys make 40k seem so fucking gay

>>64450847
>Your average Space Marine are worth entire regiments
Yes in a world where Space ships fight like its still 1812, futuristic aircraft dogfight like its 1942 and where humans and xenos with guns that supposedly can melt your face from 1km, still do bayonet charges, have WW1 tanks and engage in sword fights. But this thread is about the real world and in real life a space marine would get mopped up in no time, even 350 of them would get stomped by any modern military. Hell even in the 40k universe, space marines get jobbed by a fucking .50 so I don't see how you think some 8 foot tall freak in armor would survive against an rpg or a helicopter that would shoot him from a mile away.

Reading threads like this reminds me that TTS was the only good Warhammer content that's ever been or will ever be

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>>64449208
Overly grimdark is killing grimdark.
Which is a shame because while the Imperium never was à nice place to live as a general rime, previous editions of 40k made it clear that the vast majority of imperial worlds were basically like today's Earth, if only for the crazy imperial cult and administratum redtape.
This made the setting more believable : sure, there was "only War" but it was more the fact that the Imperium had to play wack-a-mole with a thousand minor scuffles... and that each of said scuffle was a planet-wide WW1 on steroids, while instable interstellar travel and communication made logistics hell.

>>64449208
that lore blurp makes no sense given that when ever we are giving a pov they are older than 30 or only die younger than 30due to being throw into the kind of violence that most citizens won't experience.
as per usual this can be put down to the various writers not checking what ever they write against other lore or just plain common sense. simply choosing o make it more grim, more dark and above else edgy for the sake of it

>>64451904
everything is canon but everything is also bs

the writers don't care so why should you? just go with whichever interpretation you like best and make shit up if you don't like any

>>64449208
How come literally every single character ever pictured in 40k is over 30 if 99% of the population dies at 19

>>64448424
Depends.

>>64447477
1 nuclear football and 1 nuclear footall player

>>64447477
>fucking pic rails on a fucking LASGUN
Picrails are the exact opposite the philosophy of a lasgun. A lasgun is meant to be a disposable as possible weapon, the absolute bare minimum to equip TRILLIONS of poorly trained fanatical conscrips whose life expectancy is not even long enough to drain the power cell that their weapon has. If anything a lasgun would have a AUG or L85 sight, with a AK style side scope mount for more advanced options. But most likely you'd be lucky with a gutter or blade and post irons.

>>64452022
Because they survived.....

>>64449130
>>64449208
Grimderp pulls you right out of the setting.

>>64451262
>not fucking Astartes
BITCH

>>64452022
most of the named characters, even in the guard, easily live over a century (without looking like old farts)

don't think too hard about it or chaos will get you

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>>64447477
First you need to define

>how willing is the attacker to commit atrocities
>how willing is the attacker to ruin infrastructure (compared to capturing int somewhat intact)
>how complete is the control of earth supposed to be

Depending on context, it changes drastically. If you´re fine with butchering 4 billion people and reducing half of earths infrastructure to utter rubble, things will look different. Things will also look different wheter or not you plan to install puppet government, or if you want to actively taker over in every single place, install off-world people and crush every resistance and insurgency.

Are you willing to strike a deal with Earth faction A against Earth faction B and C, or are we talking some outside force taking on a united earth

>>64451262
to be fair it's mostly the space marine fanboys who fuck things up and contain 90% of the retardation in 40k

>>64451835
you have mistaken "similar population and self-sufficiency as modern earth" as "identical to modern earth". they still have horrible governments and politics, draconian laws and working conditions.

>>64453547
They're places like Brazil, Iraq, China or Russia. Totalitarian governments, corruption and poverty but recognizable life for the middle classes. Cold War Russia with a WW2 England veneer like the book 1984 is the right aesthetic IMO. The war is far away, there's a constant stream of news about victories and wunderwaffen on the telescreens but somehow the rations are always getting worse and the gin isn't quite enough to drown out the fear of being dragged to Big Brother's torture chambers.

>>64452090
>Battlefield
>Everyone's forty
>Shipyards
>Everyone's forty
>Agriworld
>Everyone's forty
>Mechanics crew
>Everyone's forty
>Every level of a hive world
>Everyone's forty
>"They're the ones who survived"
Okay where are all the people not surviving then you fucking idiot?
If they're not dying in the factories or on the battlefield or on the ships or on the farms where are all these fucking 19 year olds dying?

Finding a young person in 40k is almost as hard as finding a man and a woman having sex.

>>64454100
Living in the kind of conditions the lower classes live in 40k ages you. Stress is a huge factor in aging, right up there with dehydration and over exposure to sunlight.

>>64447477
As far as I'm concerned, you just need to provide one blue pussy to me, and you can consider myself conquered.

>>64454100
>underhive
dead in a gang skirmish at age 10
>midhive
malnutrition-induced heart attack at 30
>upperhive
twink death in Lord Epstein's harem at 18 (purely coincidental causes)
>guardsmen
dead to tyranids at 18 (15 hours into their first deployment)
>navy
dead to overwork manually loading the torpedoes at 22

All the weaklings unfit to serve the emperor's will (read: unlucky enough to be born in the wrong millennium) died en masse early on. The main characters are the hardened badasses too old to die young.

>>64448141
>Night Lords start torturing politicians and famous people to death
>No one cares

>>64454144
more like
>people celebrate

>>64454134
>implying lord Epsteinius wouldn't get rejuvenat treatments for his favorite sexto- I mean personal assistants. Spoiler:they personally assist his penis.

>>64454236
rejuvenat always leaves signs, why would lord epsteinius tolerate his little girls having the hands of an old hag of 18 when he has an ever-growing planetary population that will sell their daughters for a nutri-bar

>>64452097
Okay, 2 pieces of good 40k content

I plan on conquering Earth with only one soldier. The myth, the legend, mother fucking BIRDY.

>>64454924
Earth never stood a chance. Tatiana and Birdy are battle angels, it's just not fair.

>>64454641
FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE SHIT OF ANON'S POST IT DISGUSTED ME

>>64452022
Lord inquisitor wrinklescowl is actually 14, he just looks old because everything is so grim and dark.

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40k has no fucking sense of scale whatsoever
>Tyranid warriors are produced in days by the billions and are a match for Space Marines
>Tau battlesuits are on average superior to Space Marines and there's tens of billions or even hundreds of billions of them
>Necron Immortals aren't given as specific of a number but they respawn anyways even if you kill them so they can just come at you in functionally infinite numbers

And then the Space Marines, who should number at a trillion if they want to even matter, let alone stand a chance...instead number at only a million.

>>64452022
the upper class elite have a ton of ways to extend their lifespan
but at any rate that ultramar lore bit is retarded and fairly controversial, you'll find most people just try to ignore it because it's that stupid

>>64447502
3-4 to any installation and everyone is toast. And they start rolling in the line and compounding after completing objectives in their AO as they sweep a planet.

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>>64447499
>What constitutes "conquered" anyway?
When everyone you know and love is turned into a living carpet for my amusement in a castle fortress made of their still-living bodies.

>>64447608
Taros had actual anti-orbital capabilities worth shit. We don't.

>>64448142
Retard. Cities are the key nodes to the entire global logistics and administration networks that underpin the entirety of modern civilization. Modern agriculture literally dies with them, and have fun trying to feed modern population levels when you're reduced to pre-mechanised methods and fertilizer production is also fucked.

>>64455689
People in general are really bad at generating believable and sensible numbers at high scales. Space Marine numbers are usually the common example but the Siege of Vraks was a planet wide WW1 for eighteen years and yet supposedly only had 20 million casualties total.

>>64454134
>18
Take the "1" out.

>>64453547
USA or Western Europe ain't Earth, anon.
It's the best part of it but far from the most part and far from what's normal for most humans.
Reminder that the average level of confort is closer to Mexico or China than to France or USA.

>>64454053
This guy get it.

>>64453547
>similar population and self-sufficiency as modern earth
that's some of the industrial worlds. there's a whole range of settlement sizes ranging from relatively small colonies with some mining or specialized industry with only a few million inhabitants, agriworlds with dozens or hundreds of millions, industrial worlds in the multi-billion range. these are probably largely self sufficient, but forge worlds covered by factories and hive worlds with hundreds of billions or trillions of inhabitants rely entirely on off-world supply

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>>64447502
>muh smart heckin stealthy marines that literally weigh one metric ton when armored and muh ultrasmurfs
spare me.
Assuming that the Ecclisiarchy folds Christianity into worship of The Emperor, as they are known to do with compatible religions, then most of the planet are still heretics and some even openly worship demons. This is obviously a job for the Black Templars. The heretics are far too numerous to eliminate them all with bolt shells and stealth strikes, this is a job for chainswords, purifying flame, and zeal. (Orbital bombardments also help, and the Black Templars have the largest fleet of any chapter)

>>64454100
>asking questions instead of accepting the truth
you’re the reason we have commissars

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>>64451835
>previous editions of 40k made it clear that the vast majority of imperial worlds were basically like today's Earth
If you insulted a nobleman they cut off your arms and legs and mounted you on the wall as a living security camera.

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>muh gobblygook is le grimmer than yours!
>nu-uh! muh poopeepoo is le darkerer!
Wow, it's almost as if GW has a ton of writers, none of them cooperate, few of them understand anything and nobody including editors gives a shit other than to make things sound cool and serious because it's a fictional setting for a plastic tabletop game and all its dumb lore is just glaze to sell models by outlining how your favorite faction is in fact the coolest and seriousest. Arguing over GW lore is reddit-tier since nobody including GW cares and niggers arguing over it need to unironically take a shower and touch grass.

>>64455899
>Taros had actual anti-orbital capabilities worth shit.
Which were taken out in the first 5 minutes of the campaign and amounted to 2 missiles.

>>64449130
>>64449208
>>64449148
40k lore suffers from serious internal inconsistencies and terminal grimderp syndrome. the best 40k lore will tend to be stuff that actually acknowledges that existing in the 40k imperium has to be at least fairly tolerable or it wouldn't work. you look at human history and outside of states of complete anarchy whenever a functional state hierarchy has existed the average lifestyle was at least fairly bearable if not enjoyable for most people present. I personally think it's linked to the way modern historiography is similarly obsessed with characterising virtually all of pre-modern human existence as having been hell on earth, despite the fact that it really wasn't at all.

>>64454144
Night Lords skewering orange man, monke, Jew genocider would illicit cheers instead of fear

For the rest of the world seeing their heads of state flayed, tortured, etc. would surrender easily

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>>64457049
The Imperium ISN'T a tolerable place though, planets rebel all the fucking time, like 95% of the Imperial Guard's job is literally putting down local rebellions, and conditions are so miserable that people will turn to literal demons and embrace eternal damnation just to escape it.

The Imperium doesn't work if it's 'fairly tolerable', a fairly tolerable place doesn't have rebellions left and right and wouldn't have people selling their souls to mega-satan to get away from it.

>>64457049
>40k lore suffers from serious internal inconsistencies
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
At least, it used to be.

But you are right : some authors go too far into hedginess for hedginess sake.

Perfectly acceptable when it's about Chaos or Dark Eldars, as these are by nature trapped in an unstable self-destructive cycle, which they delay by being parasites to the Imperium, which is meant to be so big in comparison that it is barely feeling those stings but is too bloated to react in a decisive manner.

Hence why making the Imperium into an inefficiently brutal neofeudal theocracy is fine : it explains why it doesn't just crush opposition.
It's also ok to have a few places that really suck to live : deathworlders having a linge expectancy of 30 is believable because these planets are supposed to be the kind of hell that breed space marine candidates.
But if every places is like that, then Chaos won't even have to be subtle about why people should revolt.

>>64447477
Zero.
Drop a virus that annihilate mankind and claim what's left.

>>64456522
Which is grimdark but doesn't make living there close to impossible. It's a small window of horror that spark the imagination but doesn't set rules that makes the whole setting unbelieavable.

While having a life expectancy of 35 years old being reserved for the best places would make it very hard to explain how everything else Britten about the Imperium kept running for so long.

>>64457243
You could easily pump out 8 or so kids even with a life expectancy of 21. I don't see the issue.

>>64447755
I thought the entire point of an insurgency was not to hold territory?

>>64447477
One soldier if the technology of that soldier was sufficiently high enough.

>>64447502
>Take your already miniscule force and further maximise your issues by spending all your time doing gay spec ops LARPing instead of just being the walking armored battalion that you are
Fucking retard
>>64447869
Phobos being dogshit is such an accidentally perfect alignment of lore retardation with gameplay

>>64454053
>>64453547
The other big factor in the grimdark is the eventual 100% chance that either some unimaginably fucked force of ayylmaos or traitors will descend from the sky and do depraved shit to everyone you love, or some random fuck on the street will slip the lid he kept on his hidden psychic powers and turn your street into smoke, or some edgelord noble retards will do a sex ritual from an old book which summons a Seducer, who then proceeds to murder enough people to open a rift and start exponentially flooding the world with daemons.

>>64454053
>Cold War Russia with a WW2 England veneer like the book 1984
1984 is England with an English veneer.

>WMDs, few scruples
About a million troops with some economical mechanization that runs on diesel produced by whatever surviving oil rigs. 100 divisions plus an air force scattered over the devastated world to quickly deploy and put down an insurgency the way Chairman Mao or Stalin might.

>no WMDs, few scruples
10s of millions, maybe 50 million. A ww2 style campaign sweeping across the world over the course of maybe 10 years. Due to the mass conscription and ample supply of boots on the ground, occupation would not be difficult.

>no WMDs, scruples
Again, 50 million to defeat the enemy, plenty of boots on the ground. Since they have scruples likely the "conquest" involves unconditional surrender from the prior regime and the installation of democratic governments.

>WMDs, scruples
N/A