I'm from Algeria. Getting a real gun here is impossible, so the idea of making my own is interesting.I watched the Cody Wilson documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSQ-GKl-Q-o). They made it seem like you have to buy an 80% receiver. But I've also heard people online say you can just print one.My main questions are:Can you actually 3D print a receiver that is fully functional, durable, and high-quality? Or is it all bullshit and it will break after a few shots? Can it ever be as good as a normal factory gun?What parts CAN you print reliably (receiver, grip, magazine?) and what parts CAN you NOT print (I assume the barrel and bolt?)If you can't print parts like the barrel, how do you make them? What other tools are needed besides a 3D printer?What is the best type of 3D printer for this, and realistically, how much does it cost to get started with everything?Overall, are these printed guns actually reliable, or is it mostly hype and they're just range toys that barely work?I'm just trying to understand what's actually possible. Not looking for files, just the facts. Thanks for any info.
You can print an lower receiver, there are various designs available.You're correct that you need to make a barrel and bolt by some other means - this can be achieved by using an appropriate diameter of high-pressure hydraulic tube with electrochemically machined rifling (you will also need a chamber reamer). The above sounds difficult, but ECM machining of this type can actually be done with a bucket of salt water, a DC power source (e.g. a car battery), some wire, and a 3d-printed mandrel. c.f. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/02/diy-barrel-rifling-using-salt-water-electricity-3d-printed-jig/See also: https://defcad.com/library/fgc-9-mk2-9mm-pistol/
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Do you even have ammunition in the first place?
>>64448367Well that's the thing, I don't have any but I keep hearing "guns, guns" everywhere, so I thought the main issue was the gun itself, not the ammunition here in my country, I've never seen anyone own a gun not an ex-soldier, a soldier, or a police officer, no one. But for some reason, we have a history of terrorism and those guys managed to smuggle guns and all that stuff. Don't know how though.
>>64448418Guns are always the easy part if you're looking to get an illegal weapon, you can either go through the black market or make your own, if not just steal it from someone who legally owns one. The hard part is ammunition, since if it's heavily regulated you can't just make your own.
>>64448423Thats why I like to keep some flintlocks handy, just in case
>>64448418That jap who killed Shinzo Abe got his hands on some so there's gotta be a way to get some too.
>>64448447He just looked up the recipe for gunpowder and made his own double barrel blunderbuss, with ball bearings for ammo and a battery for the ignition. His gun had a range of 10m. Frankly he could have just used a knife and trained himself to sprint.
>algerian asking how to make an illegal gunjust ask your family in Marseille to send you one habibi
>>64448268fuck it, i'll bite>Can you actually 3D print a receiver that is fully functional, durable, and high-quality? Or is it all bullshit and it will break after a few shots? Can it ever be as good as a normal factory gun?>What parts CAN you print reliably (receiver, grip, magazine?) and what parts CAN you NOT print (I assume the barrel and bolt?)So the actual issue here is the focus on the receiver is due to a quirk in United States gun laws, where the receiver is the legally identified "gun," and receivers are a lot less important than they sound because of that. Like, yes they're important, and yes printed ones can be adequate, but they're only a bottleneck in gun manufacturing due to a legal fiction. The assumption when people are talking about 3d printed receivers is that they are going to be buying commercially manufactured gun parts for other, more important parts of the gun. For actual function the pressure-bearing parts, like the barrel and bolt, are way more important.>f you can't print parts like the barrel, how do you make them? What other tools are needed besides a 3D printer?the barrel and bolt need to be able to safely contain the pressure of the bullet going off. For .22lr, plastic does work. for pretty much anything else, you need metal.for barrels, the part where 3d printing comes into play is in assisting you with ECM rifling.>What is the best type of 3D printer for this, and realistically, how much does it cost to get started with everything?PLA printer>Overall, are these printed guns actually reliable, or is it mostly hype and they're just range toys that barely work?yes and yes. the idea for the liberator in your OP was that you can find someone with a real gun, pop them in the back of the head with the liberator, and steal it, not that the liberator was an actual good gun you wanted to use as a means of self defense.
>>64448423>you can't just make your own.Not with that attitude.Odd how brass ammunition manufacturing has been going on for over a century but "we" can't do it today because it isn't easy enough. It's more difficult than reusing mass manufactured brass casings, to be sure. But something "we" can't do? That's just a message of demoralization. Sit back and let things happen, nothing you can do because you can't do anything.
it's not that hard to make "cartridges" out of brake line or copper tubing and solder in a pinch they just have the habit of rupturing or getting stuck even the Halle shooter (door cuck) had some success with his shitty homemade Luty with a plastic feed ramp and plastik rocket candy ammoeven a potato gun will fuck if you hit someone with it
>>64448306It's not illegal to discuss making firearms, or even to make them at all. It only becomes illegal if you try to sell them or you make one that is by design illegal
>>64448953What firearms by design are illegal other than full auto (multiple bullets with one trigger pull, unless "volley shot") and large bores that force the label "destructive device?" (Outside of shotguns and 950jdj memegun fed allowances)
>>64448447He made an electrically primed black powder musket, with home made black powder. Anyone with access to simple chemicals, electronics, and some ability can do that. Suckboytony made a pump action blackpowder firearm, the plasma pump, that should be out there if that's all you have access to.>>64449203There are all kinds of gun laws, off the top of my head they could run afoul of melt laws meant to stop zinc guns, disguised firearm laws, undetectable firearm laws, all sorts of length requirements.>>64448268They are durable enough. If well printed out of good pla+ a hybrid design like the fcg mk2 will last over a thousand rounds and take some rough treatment. That is the standard for the guns in the gatalog, my thinking is if you make a gun for self protection a dozen rounds should be enough, people who use them for plinking should expect needing to replace parts occasionally.The nutty9 fgc is in my opinion the best current option for home building. Using no restricted parts there are detailed instructions for making an ecm barrel. The bolt is made from literal nuts and bolts that require no welding or tapping, just easily drilling a single hole with a jig then filing open the firing pin channel if your drill bit wanders. The hangup is ammo though, if you can find primers or even hilti or ramset blanks in addition to dummy ammo you can make your own with ivan's "what about ammo?" instructions.
>>64448423Sadly, they don't sell guns here, and smuggling them in is basically impossible now. That's the whole reason I'm asking how to make my ownStealing one is out of the question there's nobody to steal from. Police officers carry Beretta 92Fs, but it seems more for show than anything plus I've never seen a civilian carrying a gun before. Even retired high-ranking military officers aren't allowed to carry them. Only active soldiers and police have them, and only for duty they almost never use them.It was a different story back during the Black Decade (the civil war). The army was weak, borders were open, and getting guns was easy, especially with our borders to unstable places like Libya and Sudan where guns are cheap. But now, things have tightened up a lot.It's confusing, though. Despite all this, there was a terrorist attack by extremists in 2013, and they somehow still managed to get their hands on weapons. The rules in Algeria are just weird and don't make any sense sometimes.
>>64448720I wish I could. but even if you're from a country where it's legal and you travel to Algeria, they will confiscate all your weapons at the border. So even if I had family in France, they couldn't bring them in or ship them to me. I
>>64448804>>64448303Thanks for the info guys, that's interesting. I'm still a total noob when it comes to guns, so a lot of that went over my head, but I appreciate it
>>64449332Question? Has anyone worked on jury-rigged ammo based on construction materials? -i.e. 22-fired nails. I wonder if theres any way to extract powder and reuse the primer in a self punched/stamped brass-tube-based rounds. You could create standard rounds by stretching brass tube of the appropriate ga (thicker than end ga) into the right shape/length and stamping your reused primers into the back. Obv the primer would have to be crimped in outside of the original crimping but maybe doable?Obviously the "reloading stand" that you'd need would be more complex/weirder than the the standard equipment. -You'd need jigs and stamps to manufacture the cartridge etc but just thinking out loud.
>>64449498Just to add, if this worked this would be pretty pricey ammo.. -But like other anon said, if the goal is like 2 mags of self-defense than you could prob scratch that out.. Obv can't outfit a squad
>>64449364what part of illegal don't you understand naffri
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>>64449498That's how ivan's ammo project works for the most part. The hilti or ramset blanks are for powder actuated tools like nail guns. You harvest the powder and scrape out the priming compound if other primers aren't available. Making smooth feeding and extracting brass is relatively tough though, you should be able to source spent brass, dummies or blanks
>>64448306>Muh fedsI'll do whatever I want, pig. (((Laws))) don't stop me.
>>64448268Baba ogun gun thunderstrike you downI poo poo on you faddah head
>>64448268Just gen a gen 3 g19 or an 11.5 PSA AR, printfags are all unironically looney troons
>>64450505This is like the third thread I've see you shilling for an 11.5 PSA. Even I'm not that fucking annoying when discussing knives. Kindly kys fucking asshat.
>>64450697>muh knivesjust get whatever victorinox model you want, done.
>>64450505>printfags are all unironically looney troonsThey are over represented, but not the majority. Printing is also the the only option without a machine shop in most of the world.
>>64450808*the only option for a semi auto without a machine shop
>>64448268Ender 3 was the recommended printer for awhile but there are newer better options. I like my bambu, I hear good things about kobras too. At the low end $200usd should cover an okay, self leveling, 3d2a capable printer and a spool or two of filament. Assuming you have a computer capable of running slicing software that should be enough to print some things.
>>64448268Some notes on firearms made by hobbyists and civilians in general1. Fully plastic single use firearms that use an existing cartridge have been made, this is a factual and proven concept. Thick enough barrels and firing chambers can make almost any material able to fire one shot.2. More commonly, non pressure bearing parts are 3d printed, because they are not pressure bearing and thus do not require high strength. Rebels in noguns countries have used 3d printers just to reduce the number of components they need to smuggle or steal.3. Smoothbore barrels have been improvised out of sufficiently thick steel pipes. Various processes have been used to rifle these barrels experimentally in some recorded cases.4. In instances where no ammunition can be sourced, criminal elements, the desperate, and rebels have created various single shot weapons using propellants and projectiles sourced from unrestricted material. A muzzle loading pipe-gun firing ball bearings, set off by a heated wire, was used to assassinate the former prime minister of Japan.
