they're intended to fully replace the ~400 remaining Marders + form an extra reservethe order hasn't been placed yet but is apparently coming in 2026, cost around 14 bn eurosthe Pumas are also said to receive cUAS capabilityinfo based on procurement office sourceshttps://www.hartpunkt.de/deutsches-heer-soll-ueber-1-000-schuetzenpanzer-puma-bekommen/
>>64452402Useless in the age of drones and especially considering Russia's successful new missile. It would be wrong to dismiss anything out of Russia hatred. Yes, we don't like them but we have to take them very seriously and at this point I'm very concerned about our efforts.
Why do the hans name all their tanks After felinids, and russians After T-#, and americana M#, like the frogs and bongs are more original
>>64452417dogs would be cool, beagle is a nice name>hey guys, let's hop in the beagle
>>64452406daI is of Frederik from иruges oblast and I agree with this komradwe not have should poke mighty bear of mother Russiathey have missile so mighty even usa afraid of making in the 60'sI fearing the pipes in my dacha wil burst from ice with lack of Russian gas to keep me hot
>>64452417Animals are cool I think. Especially felines for tanks.
>>64452417they are all named after the apex predators of their respective environments
>>64452417>>M-#>Sherman>Chaffee>Lee>Pershing>Sheridan >Patton>AbramsDefinitely no sort of naming convention going on here anon
>>64452462For americana i want refering to only tanks but more generaly the M4, M16, M2, M1 Abram, etc
>>64452452>they are all named after the apex predators of their respective environmentsStrange, ive never seen a russian tank called "the Beria" or "the Chechen"
>>64452406What a pleasant surprise to see you here, Frau Zarenknecht.
>>64452417>Why do the hans name all their tanks After felinidsthe tradition started with the tiger, initially an informal nickname because it was ridiculously large and heavily gunned for its timethen they named the panther because it had the same engine as the tiger but weighted 10 tons less, so they named it panther because it was leaner and more agile > and russians After T-#, and americana M#,T and M are both just model numbersthe US started naming their vehicles after generals due to the influence of the british, who dubbed the M3 as the lee and modified M3s as the grant to tell them apart from each other and the tradition continuedthe germans also had a generic numerical naming scheme, the panzerkampfwagen Is through VIIIthey dropped it in favor of just using the nickname as the model numberso kampfwagen leopard 1 and 2it helps that armored vehicles arent replaced by new models nearly as quickly, so there isnt much need for a generic model number naming system>frogs and bongsfrench used the AMX-number naming scheme for most of the cold war and only dropped it with the leclercbritish still use the FV-number naming scheme for vehicles, with the challenger 2 being FV4034
>>64452470But there was the IS series
>>64452406I am John Lutheran of Missouri Oblast. The USN needs to do more to protect our warm water port at New Orleans. We shouldn't waste our navy protecting the homosexual Europoors.
Why did naming system using the Western calendar decline in the West?
>>64452402Puma?
>>64452402God, I love the Puma so fucking much. Lynx is overrated.
Wouldn't it be better to buy like 500 GMARS or HIMARS?
>>64453149IFVs and MLRS serve different purposes
>>64452423British named a bunch of their armoured patrol vehicles after dogs. Mastiff, foxhound, wolfhound, Ridgeback and husky etc
>>64452610The greatest threat to russians has always been another russian, so it tracks
>>64452406>shids and pizzes all over your shaneed wavesKeinen Problemen mein Rußnegger.
>>64452417Bongs literally call all their vehicles "Fighting Vehicle number X". Challenger, Scimitar, Centurion etc are all just nicknames.
Did you know bongs pronounce them "Pyumers"?
>>64453149Euro PULS (krautified license produced Israeli Elbit MLRS) is on the wishlist too for the German army>>64453128Lynx is cool too, just less advanced and cheaper
>>64453128I like them both, desu.
>>64452713>>64452452>named after the apex predators If we ever build a mech it shall be called Mensch-Maschine
>>64452402where is Germany getting this money, or even the energy to run the factories?VW just went broke and last I checked the biggest corps in Germany are all BS crap like "luxury brand" (now made in China) and various fake shell corps owning other shells.
>>64455389>where is Germany getting this moneyFrom their tax income, taken from the largest economy in Europe, one that btw makes somewhere around three times as much money as Russia does.>or even the energy to run the factories?Their very intact and functioning power generation infrastructure? What kind of retarded question is that, even?>VW just went broke[citation needed]Oh wait, I remember. Isn't this is some cope story that's making the rounds in Russia right now? Somethign about some zigger court and a buncha vultures trying to declare VW insolvent for ceasing operations in Russia? Despite, you know, VW not having any assets within jurisdiction of russian courts anymore, making any such verdict completely fucking meaningless.>and last I checked Try checking a source that isn't blatant and retarded zigger propaganda next time, dumbass.
>>64455389>last I checked the biggest corps in Germany are all BS crap like "luxury brand" (now made in China) and various fake shell corps owning other shells.Germany and the rest of Europe make a shitload of stuff under names and companies you have never heard of and don't need to know of because if you know of them you're already in some specific industry. Nothing Europe or Germany does is flashy or trumpeted.
>>64453466i want this t. cv9030
>>64452402Half the order will be cancelled anyway
>>64452406I am CoolJohnny Kingburger from Sydney oblast USA. Is of shame that the washchingon duma spend so many money on war on spoiltly euronazis. We have so many problems here like wayward negro cannot even gets their potato and there is no oils to cook hamburger byeefsteak in this frosty Miami winter because of russian gaz shut off. Come let us join and form patriotkommisariat and giv write piece of minds letter to fatcats wasting taxruble in Lokxeed-Myartin and Ryathëon wunderwaffe provoking Rossia without causes.
>>64455969Lel thats from that L70 prono vid. That's what got the Koreans to select the Bofors 40mm for the K21.
>>64455389Maybe they finaly managed to get the turkish expats to pay taxes
>>64452417Because countries that don't use uniform type designation systems are legitimately savage retards that don't deserve the hardware they dare to lay their wretched claws on. Nicknames come second after official designation, not first. Also, the British and other countries do in fact designate their equipment like that, (Challenger 2 is FV4034), it's just not frequently mentioned. Moreover, most US tanks that saw service did have names, the M60 and M103 were exceptions.
>>64456189in an inversion, the M10 was designated the wolverine but it was never actually called that in the fieldeveryone who used it called it either M10 or TD, but never wolverine
>>64456175Ok gook
>>64455389>or even the energy to run the factories?German energy prices haven't been crazy for a while.
Imagine the seething if they donated the old machines to Ukraine
>>64452402Given the massive losses of Russian armored forces and their inability to replace them (and the dubious quality of designs alleged to fill said replacement) isn't the armor build up of Germany and Poland somewhat redundant?
>>64452423Germany does name their support vehicles after canines: Boxer, Fenneck, Dingo
>>64458203>(and the dubious quality of designs alleged to fill said replacement)
>>64455389Germany imports tons of coal, oil and gas from overseas. There was a short moment after the russian chimpout that gas was short, but LPG terminals were built quickly and the problem was solved. Pic related (electricity only).
>>64458256Then there's industrial process heat (lots of gas since then replaced with oil), home heating (~50% gas).A lot of russian gas was replaced with american gas. But there was also a lot from norway and the netherlands, which is still flowing.
Stupid sexy Puma. Best looking ifv out there.
>>64458256Merkel fucked Germany for a generation with that retarded kneejerk reaction to Fukushima. I hope that bitch goes down in history as a Chamberlain-esque figure.
>>64458203It's not redundant for Lebensraum 2.0.
>>64458785Nuclear energy was never much more than 10% of primary energy production. (Also phasing out nuclear energy was a broad consensus at the time.)What she DID fuck us with was opening the floodgates in 2015, but again, broad consensus. Germany took a long time to even admit that not wanting infinite muslims is an allowed, non-nazi position to have.
>>64452417Da, comrade. The Russian Bear is our friend and we should accept its rule over us. There is not other way.
>>64452406Aloha fellow yanks, can't agree more. Us bro dudes here in Hawaii just want make surfing and no be blown up by Russia and mighty China, i love wave but Posiden nuclear wave too big even for huge surf board like in Obama pants!!
>>64452402>the Pumas are also said to receive cUAS capabilityWhat sort?
>>64458972Rapefugees welcome is still a broad consensus. Merz saying that open borders has degraded the security immediately faced broad protests.
>>64460015there's an upgrade package to turn the RCT30 turret into something like a Skyranger lighthttps://www.hartpunkt.de/drohnenabwehr-kit-fuer-puma-turm-ermoeglicht-bekaempfung-von-drohnenschwaermen/>>64458972>>64460048weapons board, stfu
>>64458203Europe beating the piss out of Russia was never in doubt, but it would still cause damage in europe and kill europeans. So the build up is to ensure that Russia actually fucking gets it that they have no chance. Otherwise they will do dumb shit as we have already seen in Ukraine. The Russian cannot be trusted with decision making and will choose actions that make everyone miserable including Russia. Of course the best option would be TZD as death is the state in which the Russian does not commit warcrimes and other atrocities.
>>64460095I always wondered why they decided to send Boxers with the rct 30 insted of the skyranger module to ukraine to pair them with the rch155.Maybe they just want to test it live.
>>64461152if all the Pumas and all the Jackals (Boxer+RCT30) will have anti-drone capability + hundreds of Skyranger 30s, Germany will have pretty solid shorad capability again in some yearsI think this square module on top here in pic related is part of the upgrade system
>>64458203Actually that sort of assault vehicle with automatic AA capable gun that can provide air defense "bubble" against drones is very needed on today's battlefield.Otherwise how your infantry is supposed to operate run around Benny Hill style chased by FPV drones?Shotguns and man portable jammers are cope, only vehicles have enough payloadand power generation to carry real counters.
What's the difference between Puma and Lynx?
>>64461494The Puma is the Porsche and the Lynx is the Volkswagen.
>>64460095Strategic energy supply is war relevant.
>>64461549>>64461494and both are equally unrealiable as sin
>>64462119Yes ivan, all german weaponry is unreliable and in disrepair. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen when you invade europe.
>>64452470kek
>>64462119Considering that the Ukrainians are going to order the Lynx as their main IFV with local production to help fill out what many think will be an estimated of 3 thousand, I don't think either the Lynx or Puma are as unreliable as you claim
>>64461549Puma was built for the specific requirements of the Bundeswehr (which included a very high level of protection for an IFV, hence it's a pretty heavy vehicle), with little mind paid to export orders or making the design able to be modified beyond those specific requirements. Which could as a result be put higher than what would be feasible on a more modular plattform.Lynx meanwhile took a few lessons from Puma and makes use of a bunch of already existing components, while being designed to be more modular and flexible, so that export customers can further adapt it to their specific needs.
>>64452402laughs in french
>>64462180>>64462885oh anon, time will tell I am right
>>64452462Weren't the WW2 names originally coined by the Brits?
