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>>64453223
Not an expert, but I feel like they might have a hard time firing the ATGM in this configuration
>>64453267i think it's been removed from this one, or it didn't come with it, and it seems like that's one of the more effective weapons on the vehicle so that's unfortunate... unless they're thinking they'll just be intercepting soft-skinned targets with it?
So at what point will somedbody think of an AI-driven APS, so we can dispense with these?
I don't like the look, but it doesn't seem to interfere with its main functions.
>>64453267Ukrainians are hardly using the TOWs on them at all. Low supplies + few targets, I'd assume.
>>64453300spot the difference?
>>64453278TOW isn't helpful when you're not fighting tanks.
>>64453218Ukrainian cope cage>clean>professionally made>could actually work against shitty RPG-7 FPV's>>64453316russian "cope cage">shit layered on top of one another>barely even functions as a APC>still gets destroyed
>>64453316Beautiful.
>>64453267>>64453278blind or baiting?
>>64453302Could have just mount double recoilless rifles.
>>64453300still a cope cage even when ukes do it.>>64453345blind apparently, i see where the launcher would be, but i'd be nervous about firing through that door they've got set up for it.>>64453318the 25mm is probably sufficient for wherever this ones going, most assaults have had pretty light vehicles, but that's probably more to do with tanks being drone magnets in this war.
>>64453461It's a compensation fortification, not a cope cage, anon
>>64453300It's not cope when the Ukrainian vehicles are primarily facing PG-7 warhead using drones.It *IS* cope, when your vehicles are facing "modern" ATGMs like Javelin and TOW-2B
hmm
>>64453483Nobody is using the PG-7 with the VP-7M fuze, those cages aren't to stop the jet by adding standoff but to make aiming harder and reduce the damage caused by the blast itself (that comes with incendiary effect).
>>64453300>>64453461The reasons for the use of the term "cope cage" are well documented, it has nothing to do with these modern anti-FPV cages, these drones were not used extensively in the beginning of the war.
>>64453520Not the completely different form factor.
>>64453520You are coping about a cope cage
>>64453497>Nobody is using the PG-7 with the VP-7M fuzeDrones using cheap, available PG-7 warheads were ubiquitous in the conflict earlier on. Don't know about the current situation.>those cages aren't to stop the jet by adding standoff That's not at all relevant to what I wrote. They're blatantly obvious slat armor.> but to make aiming harder This only applies to full-blown cope cages, where you can't even tell what vehicle is inside it without perusing the road wheels and comparing it to either memory or a chart.>reduce the damage caused by the blast itself This is completely irrelevant to any armored vehicle used in this conflict.Did you use AI to write this post or something? I can't see an actual thread of sense running through it.
>>64453520Here's a three+ year old Preston Stewart theorizing about this.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zxOoN_bQiZEI really hate the fact how ziggers have managed to essentially gaslight people into thinking they were always meant against drones because of Syrian experience or whatever. Like we're going to ignore the fact Ukrainian "drone units" for a good part of 2022 were a bunch of volunteer nerds dropping VOG grenades on infantry.
>>64453520The "second generation" that was common during late 2022-2023 makes its intended function even more evident. Pic rel is completely unrelated to drones.
>>64453536>Drones using cheap, available PG-7You missed the part of the FUZE...>They're blatantly obvious slat armor.If you don't know how slat armor works (it's obvious by the fact you ignored the VP-7M fuze mention) then this is a waste of time.>This only applies to full-blown cope cages,That is like saying ceramic plates are useless, you're too limited to understand anything that isn't a dichotomy.Waste of time.>Did you use AI to write this post or something? You're just too stupid. Read about statistical armor, aka. slat armor instead of posting more ignorance.
I think it's better to have some kind of cage of hope from drones than to explode like dynamite.
>>64453557>If you don't know how slat armor works (it's obvious by the fact you ignored the VP-7M fuze mention) then this is a waste of time.No it's not. (You) said:>those cages aren't to stop the jet by adding standoff Which is NOT HOW SLAT ARMOR WORKS.Slat armor works by crushing the warhead or impeding the fuze from striking anything solid, and so either stopping the warhead from going off, or ensuring it fails to produce a proper penetrating cone.Based on this single part of your post, it's obviously (You) who don't know how slat armor works.Are you Google translating this shit and treating slat armor like it's Schürzen armor on PZ IVs or something?
>>64453589>insist upon himselfRe-read: Nobody is using the PG-7 with the VP-7M fuzeIn this case it's irrelevant the use of PG-7, and it's irrelevant the idea of a mesh working as slat armor. Besides the fact they are adding cages to technicals because the intention ISN'T TO DEGRADE THE JET, THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS, trying to avoid the jet is a lost cause.Reducing the damage and incendiary effect of the blast is the reason they keep adding those mesh/bird cages.The original cope cage/visor was mechanically robust and they later added ERA >>64453542 The ukrainian side seems to be more organized than the chaos of russia during 2023-2024 and they are adding mesh/bird cages to technicals and artillery too.
>>64453619NTA but another foot of standoff usually is a bad thing for modern HEAT warheads because it allows the jet space to focus. Unless that's just fuddlore... Idk.
>>64453619You 100% are doing this shit through Google Translate. Your post makes no fucking sense and it has that obvious translated Slavic language candor to it.>In this case it's irrelevant the use of PG-7, and it's irrelevant the idea of a mesh working as slat armor.No it's not. You just don't understand what slat armor is. You already proved this earlier.>Besides the fact they are adding cages to technicals because the intention ISN'T TO DEGRADE THE JET, THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUSNo, because technicals aren't the only vehicles using slat armor. Degrading the jet is important no matter what. Fucking up the jet is genuinely beneficial for any armored vehicle.>trying to avoid the jet is a lost cause.No, it's 100% not. We have images from the conflict in Ukraine of it working just like that. There's even a picture of a Ukrainian MRAP having a PG-7 rocket right in front of its windshield, stuck in the slat armor.>Reducing the damage and incendiary effect of the blast is the reason they keep adding those mesh/bird cages.None of those matter against an armored vehicle.>>64453630No. Relevant standoff on a warhead the size of a PG-7, against roof / rear armor is measured in meters, 1-2m.Only the biggest cope cages on T-72 / T-90 tanks are relevant for this.
>>64453630It depends on the warhead but it can add as much as 5-20% of more penetration (less for ATGM with better rear warhead). But it's irrelevant when the usual target of those drones is an SPH, a technical or the side-armor of an MBT. For what I've seen in videos they their priority is trying to get inside through any hatch. 2kg of batteries (highly incendiary) and a PG-7 will cause far more damage inside a vehicle than outside.
>>64453316WAAAAAAAAGH!!
>There is an entire international board dedicated to coping and seething about my country successfully putting down a rebellion in one of it's regionsI come here to relax and have quality keks after a long day. Hoping to return the favor one day when USA having similar issues)
>>64453520russians had ample experience with drones and experimented with countermeasures since 2015.drones were used extensively in several conflicts that russians took part of before 2022. syria, south ossetia. ukrainian ato used granade drops from drones in non-trivial numbers since 2015. you simply don't know what you're talking about.
>>64453650Strange. Your image doesn't even go out to a meter, but shows that penetration improves from ~75mm to ~300 mm from going from 0 to 1 foot in standoff.
>>64453650Drones are too slow and have the wrong kind of FUZE, nobody is adding a bird cage to use it as slat armor in current year, it should be obvious. And the standoff is AGAINST THE BLAST EFFECT, penetration is a given, that's why the mesh is considerably further away from the vehicle.END.Slat armor:• It works or not, there's no "partially worked" because the jet isn't degraded by standoff• that means it has minimum standoff• the projectile must have the correct strike velocity and fuze type.• it's useless to hinder the aimingMesh armor (not all of them):• it rarely avoids the detonation, there's no reliable way to disable the fuze of a drone and they're too slow to damage the liner during impact• it have considerable standoff (but not always), that turns a vehicle into a mobile shed that will get stuck often• it can't stop the jet, barely hinder the aiming• at least it alleviates the problem of the blast and incendiary effect• it doesn't need to be robust besides being sturdy enough to not be destroyed by an obstacleJust because they aren't solid metal plates (lets ignore the rubber and improvised turttle crap) it doesn't means they are the same,they diverged long ago.The initial Visor was an attempt of slat/ERA roof against missiles.>None of those matter against an armored vehicle.They're literally sniping windows and hatches for a reason.
Too straight and normal for the orc vibe imo
>>64453316https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Oko1aqm3K1o&si=h7WDQQZX5_ktGBI3
>>64453767>•Now you're literally copying AI answers into the thread.
>>64453316fyi28.10.2025Tanks — 11299 (+6)Armored fighting vehicle — 23508 (+28)Artillery systems — 34044 (+8)MLRS — 1529 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1230Planes — 428Helicopters — 346UAV — 75054 (+108)Cruise missiles — 3880Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 65786 (+131)Special equipment — 3984 (+3)Military personnel — aprx. 1138750 people (+1060)
>>64454167"Alt Gr + ,"If you can't into unicode or alt gr is not my fault._
>>64454252If you can't even pretend to be an organic, human poster, it's 100% your fault.
>>64454295>Skill issue
When US Army AFVs start getting rekt by drones in next big war, The Brass and MIC will be like Ukraine never happened and start at baby-step #1 as USGIs get killed and maimed, mostly maimed.Then they will hand out medals and awards to each other for being so smart.Screen cap this.
>>64454167Not everyone a cuck who can't use actual characters from their layout
>>64454620>When US Army AFVs start getting rekt by drones in next big warthey will deploy actual SHORAD to shoot drones down instead of welding bird cages on top
>>64454712give example of this "SHORAD" that will survive the first wave of 1000 cheap ass DJI drones sent to......deplete SHORAD! :)Hint: the first wave of drones will be towing an additional dozen unpowered even cheaper decoy drones. Some hanging, some alum strips on He balloons.So you looking at about 12,000 "threats".
>>64455375>deplete SHORAD! :)needing 10,000 drones to deplete the shorad is still a much better form of protection than only needing 1 additional drone to defeat passive armorSHORAD, when combined with medium-range active defenses like jamming, creates a wider range of denial against drones whereas passive measures can only stop a single drone around a single areaso a single SHORAD platoon can protect a company sized area, since they create stand-off out to their maximum rangewhereas passive armor can only protect what its attached toeven the act of forcing the enemy to concentrate on SHORAD is still an argument to use it over cagesa convoy of vehicles equipped with cages, a drone can simply pick and choose the least defended member of the convoywhereas a convoy of vehicles operating within AA cover, the drone must attack the SHORAD platform
>>64455375A single gepard can do that assuming it is carrying enough ammunition
>>64455375if you fucking tourists would actually pay attention to the shit NATO is developing in the open you'd already know about this, but you don't because it'd mean you would have to read english
>>64453536>Drones using cheap, available PG-7 warheads were ubiquitous in the conflict earlier on. Don't know about the current situation.That's a lie. Cope cages started to appear in the first few months of the conflict and their nature of overpromising to work against various threats solidified the term.>1730575653715759.jpgThis picture was first posted in march of 2023, that is about ONE FULL YEAR AFTER the term cope cages was established.
>>64455375My brown friend, a 1000 cheap ass drones won't be able to be piloted for such a use case
>be vatniks>be completely retarded>russia starts putting cope cages on their tanks so the tank crew continue to drive to their deaths>vatniks can't comprehend this and how they hardly work against few things if at all>they make up wild stories about how good they are and how it counters western weapons including top attack ammunition>russian tanks blow up>they attack anyone who say the cope cages aren't working>even more russian tanks blow up>they get even more aggressive>no matter how mad they are cope cages dont work as advertised or promised>everyone is laughing at their dumb asses>vatniks then spend literal years acting like they never said it or done thatCan you imagine how much time they have already wasted through the years with it?
>>64453316>I can feel the Warp overtaking me... IT IS A GOOD PAIN
>>64456225>THE WEAK FIGHT BACK!
>>64455506The Russians started their great bring back the darkness of the USSR invasion with thirteen and a half thousand tanks including some quite modern ones and the promise of a new generation model that would be used to crush neighbouring free EU states and potentially fully rebuild the warsaw pact empire of evil. They started the war with an artillery and multiple launch rocketry arsenal that was numerically superior to that of all the NATO states in Europe.They now have roughly 2000 tanks all defective and mostly in poor condition that were state of heh art in the 1960s when running and their artillery arsenal is effectively gone outside of what is deployed on their front lines, they subsist on donations from a client tyrant in North Korea. Similarly their multiple launch rocket arsenal and anti airfraft system arsenal has been gutted. The Ukranains have done the world an incredible service as Russia always supplied the worst tyrants and dictaorships on earth in Africa, the middle east and Latin America. The Ukranians also fully deserve a total victory and the complete restoration of national soverignty and territory along with reparations and it is just that the EU should allow them to join and help rebuild Ukraine as it rebuilt the post communist nations that had been ravaged by the Russians and their marxist leninist cancer dictatorships.I have never admired any people as much as the current generations fo Ukranains and their supporting fighting volunteers from teh free nations. Their courage fortitude and resolve is a lesson to all peoples in what patriotism and colurage actually is.Militarily the most incredible nation on earth bar none in accomplishment. A burning torch for the world against the darkness of global south multipolar dicatorships.
I see a lot of Americans who like to use the word patriot when dicussing firearms,If you want to see what being a real just patriot really looks like, look at a Ukranian and learn from it.
>>64453520>>64453527These posts are true. The 2022 cope cages/cope roofs were (meant to be) anti-Javelin/anti-NLAW, the cope solution for the drones were "turtle tanks" which came way later.
>>64456576if they are going to slap a giant shed on the top of the tank and restrict it to a 120-degree arc anyways, why even other with the turret?why not just remove the whole turret entirely and make a NERA super structure?at least then the crew will have elbow room
>>64453229>the slit for the barrel
