Does anyone else see the IJA of WW2 as the cool bad guys?Everybody likes the wehrmacht, but I think the real cool bad guys is the Imperial Japan.
IJN were pretty cool. They went to war and war did they do. No half assing, no surrendering, all the way. IJA Im not so sure about
>>64456544Not really. To me their uniforms look kinda goofy, their equipment looks kinda goofy, and their slanty faces and giant buck teeth look kinda goofy. Not a single Hugo Boss uniform in sight. And don't get me started on the lopsided pagoda barges they called ships (assuming you meant both IJA and IJN since they were two rival factions on the same nominal side)
>>64456544The Nip Army was shit and ran by coked up hot headed shit birds. They frequently went on campaigns in China without approval from the Jap government. They also assassinate any politicians and leaders they don't like, including an attempt on Admiral Yamamoto himself. They are the reason the US sanctioned Japan which led to Pearl Harbor.
>>64456562The guys actually stationed on the islands were IJA.
>>64456544>everyone likes the wehrmacht
>>64456544You have literally become the meme.
>>64458077Everyone cool.
>>64456544Ah yes, the IJA. The guys who went 0-2 against air force mechanics in the Philippines and got wiped out to the last man both times.
>>64456544Their planes looked cooler but they were a bunch of inbred bumpkins that werent descended from samurai and probably ate brown rice (the navy's view on them not mine)
>>64456544Their combat record against the US marines and later the Soviet Far East Front was atrocious. Casualty ratios approaching 10:1 despite being on the defense.
>>64456544>Wehrmacht>unreliable and overrated equipment in 39 (which is true for a lot of interwar equipment, but the UK really needed something to blame for its own poor performance early war), equipment that gets cooler and more high concept as the war continues (even if reliability issues remain)>IJA>good interwar equipment that becomes obsolete by the time they fight Americans, never actually improve, Navy got baited and got its ass kicked repeatedlyWhile I don't think the Japanese were 'bad' during WW2, there is a reason why they're not popular. If the Americans and the Japanese fought in the 30's, there would have been a more equal clash, but by the 40's the Japanese were no match for the US and what happened was completely inevitable.
>>64458077Anyone who claims to dislike German WW2 military equipment is either lying or so contrarian their opinion on anything should be ignored.
>>64456544IJA ARE A BUNCH OF DISHONORABRU TRAITORS WHO MUST BE RAPED TO DEATH FOR GRORIOUS NIPPON!!!!
>>64458495I'm a Turán Chad.
>>64456544The IJN is cool solely because they may have been the only fighting force in history suicidally retarded enough to give us Kinos like the Battle of the Phillipine Sea, Leyte Gulf and Operation Ten-Go. Their naval aviation was also aesthetic AF. The IJA's stands on Okinawa and Iwo Jima were pretty kino too, but they weren't actually all that effective. Plus, their uniforms and equipment for the most part looked pretty stupid.
>>64458488>. If the Americans and the Japanese fought in the 30's, there would have been a more equal clash, but by the 40's the Japanese were no match for the US and what happened was completely inevitable.It would've been inevitable in the 30's. War Plan Orange was changed in the early 30's and Japan didn't really have an answer to that.
>>64456544The IJN and IJA was cool when they were kicking the teeth of the Dutch and Bongs in. They was cool when they was dismantling the fledgling Chinese Empire. If only they didn't kick the hornet's nest and settled for a negotiation with USA for a future alliance against USSR in exchange for the Phillipines. The Japanese were good guys in the sense that they were bad people looking to mess up the Europeans and Americans for screwing Asia over. After Midway they should have caved as there was no way to recover the best and brightest of their aviators and their carriers after that. Their soldiers held nothing back and after the war they kept on fighting for Asian independence. Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Korea, they kept fighting as soldiers of fortune, giving hell and lead for American, French, British, and Dutch imperialists. The Germans cowered and gave head for the Jewish Internationale and the Kremlin. So your assessment is correct because Germans are bottoms when it comes to respecting the order vs trying to take on the establishment.
>>64458495>T-34>coffin on treads>praises the Sherman, the actual coffin on treadsWhoever made this is tainted with butthurt over the Ukraine war.
>>64459262The Sherman actually had a very good survival rate.
>>64458592The naval war was something else man
>>64459262Three quarters of T-34s made before and during WWII were destroyed during the war, and the mortality rate of crew was a decent bit higher than that of the Sherman.
>>64456544Their machines were pretty cool.Their uniforms however are sex offender tier ugly like the tourist caps and penis head helmets. Not to mention their shitty footwear (>1930-40 >Puttees).
>>64459453I kind of like the baggy trousers + leg wraps look, but I otherwise agree.The Zero was a nice looking airplane and I like its liveries.
>>64459453What's wrong with puttees?
>>64459453Speak for yourself faggot, their fits were very aesthetic. The weather flaps on the caps were cool.
Whenever I think of the US in WW2, my mind goes to the Pacific. Fighting a bastard of an enemy that really did brutalize anyone (Including their own soldiers.) They're a fascinating contrast to how Americans fought in just about every aspect.The US was focused on heavy industry, incredible logistics, and ensuring comfort & survival of it soldiers. Through advanced gear becoming the standard, they were able to make each soldier/asset as effective as possible.Japan was focused on trying to keep light logistics, encouraged gathering/fishing & scavenging, and believed their individual devotion would overcome technological gaps. If you were merciless and could suffer enough casualties to close with the enemy, you could break them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je6tcrVEzW8
>>64456544Uniforms and infantry gear are poor, antiquated or outright primitive compared to other nations (seriously look at the chinstrap of their helmet)They have no excuse for looking lame when their older uniforms from the Russo-Japanese War were great. Armor was interwar-tier Firearms were hit or miss and I think the Type 38 and 99 are massively overrated, at least their machine gun situation was less retarded than Italy. Leadership was retarded and insane, and their actual effectiveness suffered because of it. Loads of young Japanese men died needlessly at their hands. Also on a personal level I have to deduct points for them throwing my great grandpa in a camp in 1942 and almost preventing me from existing. He did survive and kill a lot of them for that trouble though.
the japanese and americans where just as bad as each other. if you had the unclassifed record both side where just as wicked as each otherthe only difference is the most US units didn't kill civieswhile the iJA killed those who would not fightcivs or their own.they where too hard coreeven samauri didn't act so dishorable towars cvilianseven in edo japan we never did this.i don't understand the logic desu.but i guess you modern folks just work different.not saying all where like this but those on those japanese home islands had disgraceful conduct.and to know many are my decentance brings me shame to the sato line.the main land forces where hororable even if savage.i don't know i'm still on the fence.and this is someone who started out with them easly in the war against russia then swaped to german side after my side lost.still. they had good leaders the IJN and IJAthe problem came from employing koreans to guard conquered areas becuase they where very gun crazy on civilains and treated them like shit for minor things.idk its too complexand i hate the past so much.have to force my self to forget.but please post more picturesi like IJN and IJN aircaftmany insired by howard hughs engines and racing planes of the 1920sand fixed the issues with them.i mean having superioirty for so long means it wasn't bad desgins at all.but tanks where a bit lack laster.but post it anyway.all content welcome
>>64459752They didn’t actually believe that fanaticism would overcome technology, that’s just what they needed to tell the military to get them to fight. And then when it wasn’t working and they tried to get them to stop it was too late and the military kept doing retarded banzi charges that threw away enormous manpower for almost nonexistent gains. Against China the fanaticism was preferable mostly because they had a substantial fire support advantage but a huge manpower deficit. In the pacific they suffered both a manpower and firepower deficit and settled for “if every soldier we send fights to the last man and kills or maims a single American each then we can force America to peace talks.”Which is probably actually true, it’s just that they were suffering 10-1 deaths to kills ratios because their tactics were so bad. It’s a bit ironic in the sense that the only reason the military was able to wage then war in the terrible conditions was because of the fanaticism. But a less fanatical military probably would have performed better. It also would have surrendered in 1943. Or actually just not have invaded China in the first place really.
>>64456544>>64457075>the cool bad guys?Qing China was the last real Wild West, the Eastern Front to a lesser degree, as far as frontier barbarian warfare, ethnic cleansing and Manifest Destiny living space grabs go. Stalin was just a *bad* Meiji Revolution cover band in practice. Japs in the early war were punching above their weight in a way that would've raised Yellow Peril fears to a fever pitch, following on the absolute gaping of the Russians at Tsushima before-- WW2 Japs are more atavistic, same with the terrain fought on. They were good Indians to American Cowboys, mimetically.
>>64459501I like the caps and tropical blouses. Otherwise their uniforms are pretty simple.
>>64459835Perhaps "Thought" was the wrong word, it was more it *had* to in their perspective. Once the war with the Americans really got going, they realized the US was going to bring it all: tanks, machine guns, flamethrowers, land and naval artillery support, etc. All while Japan was struggling to try to update and produce their own.The Japanese already started to get a taste of losing their edge when they faced Soviets in the border conflicts. Light vehicles and artillery did not work in open ground. You could not charge across a steppe covered with supporting fire. The Japanese figured that it would work better on the islands where they were defending and could pop out. When it didn't, then things like Banzai charges became acts of desperation rather than effective actions.
Maybe the real co-prosperity sphere was the tomodachi we made along the way
>>64459905yeah. nice picture. friendship is great. yeah.
>>64459752Japanese Merchant shipping was on average newer than the US, in part due to the great depression, 1932 Japanese scrap and build programs, and later Japanese subsidies. In 1939 majority of Japanese ships were under twenty while the average for the Americans was 21. It also wasn't that far behind in scale. Beyond that at the beginning of the conflict neither side did a great job of protecting them. >>64459832>the japanese and americans where just as bad as each other. if you had the unclassifed record both side where just as wicked as each other> the only difference is the most US units didn't kill civiesUndermining your own point there.
>>64459832>tripfagging
>>64456544Not sure what you are talking about the only bad guys i know from WW2 were the Soviets who massacred more white civilian than any other side. There is a reason why Western and Eastern European losses differ so much in numbers and its not because of the krauts.
>>64462884t. asshurt ukrainian shill
Great early war pilots and superior early war aircraft helped, but their successes into 1942 had more to do with the mistakes and divided agendas of others than their particular abilities. The competition between Army and Navy really ensured that neither side was well versed on the practical limits of the other, and the Jap war machine missed the mark hard as a result. They have this sense of being terrifying from an early '42 outlook, but they were on the back foot so often from then on that they dont fit the cool bad guy vibe to me. Still, I think the Pacific theater was way cooler than Europe so I'll give em props on that.
>>64463564I don't believe the early war aircraft were altogether superior Allies, it was a bit of a mixed bag. As far as the army/navy competition goes they had the benefit of not having something like the 1931 MacArthur-Pratt agreement.
>>64462859There's no tripcode on that post you newfaggot scum.
>>64456579Their uniforms have a practical charm to them. I saw an Asian dude in what was essentially a 1:1 of a WW2 ijn uniform just made with shit you got off the rack from Academy. Had to have been intentional unless he's the unluckiest dude just going fishing ever.
>>64462884Wtf Lithuania, 14%?
>>64456544The ija was pretty mid but the IJN was coolThis opinion was definitely not fostered by kancolle
>>64456562>IJA Im not so sure aboutIJA definitely never surrendered as well. That beri-beri menace? NEVER surrendered (even if it meant more casualties than the Chinese managed) unlike the navy schmucks. Not a step back. Ever. At all.
>>64456544The KI-43, 44, 61, 84 and 100 are better and cooler than all IJN fighters. Except the J2M, but that was land based so no points for IJN.
>>64459453I, for one, like the hat.
>>64462884This map is clearly flawed. There is no way France lost more in 1 month of combat than the UK did in 6 years. Greece lost more than the UK? What?
>>64459262Shermans had the highest crew survival rate of the war buddy, you should re-evaluate your sources.
>>64458495>tfw you can trace your own progression through this chartI am going to have to ackshually this graphic, tho. The Panzer IV lost at least two wars, some of them saw action in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, in use by Syria.
You cannot deny the badass look here.
>>64465617Yeah, it's a good look. I kinda like this IJN winter get up. I've never seen it in an actual photo, so I dunno if it's just the artist making it look good or not.
>>64464837Montbell (Japanese Academy basically) makes a quite a few hats that have the sun flaps on them, Japanese are pretty obsessive about keeping the sun off them, but this one is my personal favorite.
>>64465562>The KI-43Better at being shot down.
>>64456544was there any reason they never copied the bazooka? Why even fuck with lunge mines?
>>64459262The Sherman was so good, Wehrboos have to bring up heavy tanks to make it seem bad.
>>64466429It's funny how the reputation the A6M gets, the Ki-43 really was; every sacrifice possible to gain maximum maneuverability. Eventually they had to accept they needed more firepower than two 7.7s. Gorgeous plane though.
>>64457075>frequently went on campaigns in China without approval from the Jap government.I mean that’s one way to say the entirety of WW2 and the 1930s but yeah
>>64466429The Ki-43 is what tore apart the allies in Burma, Singapore Indochina etc and destroyed their air power. Was a strong fighter everywhere it was put to use.
>>64456544The Zero was the only good thing the Japs had the entire fucking war.
>>64467066The Ki-43 tends to be forgotten and the A6M lionized. >>64468108>The Ki-43 is what tore apart the allies in Burma, Singapore Indochina etc and destroyed their air power.Not saying much.
>>64456544They were astonishingly incompetent. They lost pretty much every engagement against the US and Russia in spectacular fashion. Like orders of magnitude greater losses. For a bad guy to be cool they should at least not suck at fighting.Fun fact, they murdered more civilians on Okinawa than they killed American combatants.
>>64468179Some counterpoints;>C6N>B7A>B6N>D4Y>Ki-84>Ki-61>J2M>N1K>Yamato class>Arisaka Types 38 and 99>Type 96 and 99 nambu LMG>Fubuki class DD and all its spinoffs>Akizuki class DD>Oyodo>Mogami class
I’ve always had a thing for the Japanese WW2 LMGs, the 96 and 99 were as good as any allied LMG, and the Type 11 while obsolete, was an interesting design>>64468493You forgot the type 89 knee mortar, which was also a pretty novel design
>>64468525The type 99 is hands down one of the best LMG's of the war. Better than the Bren, BAR, DP-27 etc. Also had a fucking bayonet.
>>64456544Nips were the bad guys that fought on the side of the good guys during ww2.
>>64468179Their ships were pure sex, regardless of their actual usefulness.
>>64468525>I've always had a thing for the Japanese WW2 LMGsYou and me both, anon. Fluted barrels are sexy. And while the Type 11 was probably obsolete when introduced, it's such a neat little design I'd love to own one, even if it would bankrupt me to try and feed it well.>>64468535The Jap obsession with elan and it's expression in every personal weapon being bayonet capable (and their bayonets being fuckhueg short-sword type deals) is also one of their best features in the war.
