Is it true that if you're using 10mm you don't need to practice trigger discipline?
>>64458167Yeah
If you're using 10mm, the rules don't apply to you. You're the main character. You have plot armor. Go do a crime
>>64458185Or get knocked on the head, proceed to actually run a criminal organization for a protracted period of time, have it written off as an "oopsie" and somehow keep your badge afterwards anyway.
>>64458196He was too useful to the glowies, and that's why they were so pissed at the end.
>>64458167You should always be ready to fire if you need to, trigger discipline is for crayon munching retards that cant be trusted to not shoot themselves in the face while holding a gun>ALWAYS LOADED ALWAYS ALWAYSSSS AAAGGGHHHHHH
>>64458167yepit's like bmw drivers and signal lightsthey're there, and you can use them if you wish, but you're absolutely not forced to
>>64458167Yes, it's true, also if you're carrying .44 magnum: it doesn't matter if you shoot 5 times or 6; the punk won't feel lucky.
>>64458167But that's a .45...
>>64459464Source?
Trigger discipline is a meme made up by Jeff "Reddit" Cooper. Chads recognize the importance of always being ready to rock and roll>>64459675It's common knowledge retard
for some reason the team in the original rainbow six novel used 10mm MP5s
>>64459745the fallout games use it too. as a yuropoor i always wondered if 10mm is just more common in the states or if its just a weird design choice.
>>6445998210mm has been on the shelf of every gun store I've been to for the last 30 years but I wouldn't call it common.Selection is often limited to one brand and it's always ovepriced.
>>64458167it's true that trigger discipline is a fairly recent invention, yes. you probably don't have the beligerant self-preservation instinct of everyone early gen-x and before, so you should continue to practice trigger discipline.
>>64459745>>6445998210mm mp5s used to have straight magazines. what's interesting is that the sas teams that went into the iranian embassy carried mp5s with straight magazines. could have something to do with it.
>>64458167I will never understand why people think this pistol looks so cool, it's one of the ugliest pistols I've ever seen
>>64458167You're confusing causation and correlation. If you are an elite shooter/firearms practitioner, you don't need to worry about trigger discpling. The only people who use 10mm are elite practitioners. Elgo, 10mm shooters often don't bother with trigger discipling.
>>64458185What if you use 11mm?
>>64459745>>64459982>>64460417The FBI chose to adopt 10mm as their new cartridge in the late 80's. It didn't last long because their interest led to .40 S&W being announced basically as soon as they adopted 10mm, the guns they bought having some issues and both 9mm and .40 being much more sensible options in the end. Rainbow Six probably chose them because the FBI HRT had bought the 10mm MP5 variant and liked them a lot, and have supposedly been quite precious about them since they went out of production.Plus if your game is already going to feature the MP5, which it is if you're making a counter-terrorism themed tactical shooter around Y2K, it's basically a freebie to add the 10mm variant.In Fallout's case, the cartridge was specifically chosen to be a common round because one of the devs saw it as good alt timeline fodder, something that exists in the real world but never quite seemed to take off like it could've.
>>64464370>the guns they bought having some issuesBingo, if the Bren Ten, Colt Delta Elite, and S&W 1006 series guns weren't manufactured with so many problems, then the round might've taken off. However, every LE organization that gave 10mm a try after the FBI hated the guns it was chambered in.
>>64458196god the later seasons were fucking retarded. The first 2-3 were legit some of the best television ever made and then it just turned into proto ncis with ridiculous terrorist plots and foreign spies and shit
yes but only because the ammunition is so expensive your mind will prevent you from pulling the trigger accidentally because you can't afford to be putting bullets in walls.
>>64465607>It failed because it wasn't REAL 10mm>It failed because they weren't REAL shooters>It failed because they weren't REAL 10mm handgunsThe advanced cope surrounding 10mms mediocrity is hilarious
>>64460417Earlier 9mm magazines were straight too. IIRC they added the curve in to increase reliability at some point.
>>64458167Yep, because you're too broke to actually afford ammo after buying a bren ten
>>64459745>for some reasonBecause it was badass. Also probably because it was the latest greatest thing. I've always liked the look with the straight poly magazine myself and afaik it's also the only MP5 to ever have a bolt hold open like an AR, something I think should've been added to the whole line at least as an option.Also I think the /10 appeared in the games as well as the novel, and may have been the default weapon for the characters from the novel like Ding. It's been an extremely long time since I played the original R6 though so I could be mixing stuff up.
10mm failed commercially because of Colt and their militant fudd loyalists insisting on shoehorning the cartridge into a frail and fragile borderline antique pistol, originally designed for a cartridge explicitly intended to mirror the performance and pressures of a black powder revolver from the civil war era.
>>64465708Handguns aside, I'd like to see how it actually handles in a 10mm MP5. I could see it doing quite well.
>>64465708Has it not occured to you that there are multiple different people here.>It failed because it wasn't REAL 10mmI haven't said this, there are good 10mm loads out there.>It failed because they weren't REAL shootersI haven't said this in this thread, but yes, users can be weak. It's the same reason many revolver buyers will get a .357 Magnum handgun and only shoot .38 SPL out of it.>It failed because they weren't REAL 10mm handgunsPlenty of bad handgun designs have influenced the market. One of the reasons that 9mm took longer to get popular in the US was that the Browning Hi-Power couldn't take the hot loads that the Luger, Walther, and MP-40 could take without falling apart, so everyone here in the US thought it was a super anemic round.>>64465764 >Colt and their militant fudd loyalists insisting on shoehorning the cartridge into a frail and fragile borderline antique pistolThe first production 10mm guns were the Bren Ten (CZ-75 clone), not the Colt Delta Elite. The "antique pistol" had fewer problems than the new design.
>>64463968You called?
Reddit finger in general is a sign that you're deeply cucked.Pro-tip: don't shoot things that you don't intend to shoot.
>>64465708It never failed. 10mm is simply niche, and misunderstood. It's niche is full-size autoloaders, which have gone out of favor. But even in that realm it has to compete with 5.7, 9, 45, 460, ect. It's misunderstood because the majority of people think that the only appeal is the full power loads, which are both expensive and uncommon. The actual appeal to the cartridge is VERSATILITY. Just like 357/38 Special and 44 mag/44 special, you don't have to shoot the full power loads. You simply have the option. Also even the "weak" stuff(range loads are consistently slightly hotter than the comparable. 40 load, look it up nigger, god I hate that rumor)tends to shoot pretty nice due to the guns being a fullsize more often than not.And most guns can straight up shoot .40 without a conversion barrel.It's a good round. Unfortunately the fullsize autoloader niche is so small that anyone even bothering out of curiosity gets something more interesting.
>>64458183Fpbp
