What is the consensus on the sa58? Worth it in the big 2025?
>>64458616No. Build an AR10 or buy a PTR
>>64458616FAL is good.
Do you want an FAL? Probably.
>>64458616No on many counts.Firstly it is a battle rifle. Great idea on paper, terrible in practice. You do get better range and penetration than an AR, but the trade off is ammunition weight, ammunition cost, recoil, magazine capacity, bulkiness, and overall a reduced practical rate of fire at which you can consistently hit things. If you just want a battle rifle because reasons then none of that matters, but factoring all of those things in it is clear to see why battle rifles are generally not used as much anymore. For instance the Ukranians have received them as aid and consistently either try to kludge them into DMRs or most of the time dump it the second they can get their hands on an AR or AK, which they aren't even shooting full auto. The smaller size, reduced recoil and weight of an intermediate caliber rifle wins out in the vast majority of situations.
>>64458707Secondly, the FAL is pretty bad compared to other battle rifles. It has great ergonomics and is easy to clean, but it has an absolutely infernal gas system with far too many adjustments, picky with ammunition, mediocre at best mechanical accuracy, horrible magazine feed lip design and a hard time mounting optics. Worse still, they are getting expensive and rare. Surplus magazines are gone, commercial magazines are completely worthless, surplus parts are all but completely dried up and DSA has Springfield tier qualityBy contrast you can get an excellent AR-10 for less money, less weight, better ergonomics, far better accuracy, optics ready, with cheap reliable magazines anywhere anytime from any one of 5 dozen different manufacturers. Or you can get a G3 clone that is going to be far more reliable than any FAL or AR. Heck, you can even get a brand new proper military spec M14 with new, reliable and affordable magazines.Thirdly, you are handcuffed to DSA, which is run by people who don't give a fuck about what they are doing for all parts and warranty support which you are going to need because they do not make a proper military spec rifle and have no reason to do so.
>>64458616The only good rifles DSA ever made were 25+ years ago when they were assembling brand new Austrian parts kits onto receivers made by LMT. And even then, they still fucked up sometimes.
The FAL is cool and the current production DSAs run fine. Being a boring minmaxxing larp autist who will never get to fire a shot in anger is stupid.
>>64458712>Shitting on Springfield>Recommending modern M14sWay to show you're some ChatGPT mongrel who doesn't know shit.
>>64458707>>64458712If he's asking about buying fucking FAL clone, he's probably aware of all of that shit, you gormless fuckhead, rather he's asking if they're a worthwhile example for someone looking for an FAL.Goddamn, I hope you get raped, you're such a worthless fucking retard.
>>64458616yeah, if a FAL tickles your autism they're fine
>>64458616I want a Belgian FAL clone so bad just because they're sex and they shoot a big bullet. too bad my faggot ass commie state bans them by name (md) and the supreme court decided not to hear the maryland AWB case. you can buy a scar or an AR10 here but it's just not the same. kavanaugh is a spineless faggot. he could have voted to hear the case and it would have been heard, yet he chose not to because he said that he wanted to hear what the circus courts had to say about other states' AWB bans first. this is despite the fact that he said that the law was not consistent with bruen. what a forked tongue shithead. I really don't understand what the circus courts have to do with the maryland AWB being blatantly unconstitutional and arbitrary anyway.oh well, maybe I'll actually have my constitutionally-guaranteed rights reinstated to me 10 fucking years from now lmao.
>>64458616what sight is Ariana using?
>>64458820M14 is an objectively better rifle than the FAL and it's ok to have an opinion to the contrary, but you are just plain wrong. That's because they actually fucking work for one thing and it is possible to make one shoot well by modern standards.Absolutely not worth it for the annoying levels of tolerance stacking and exorbitant cost of machining their ridiculously complicated receivers out of forged steel, yes. Absolutely mogged by AR-10s and G3s, yes. Still better than a FAL by a mile. I've owned all 4 and I really wanted to like the FAL but it was a clear loser out of the pack.Truth hurts sometimes.>>64458876It's kind of a shitty take on the FAL on top of all the inherent flaws a proper FAL starts with.DSA is run by one guy who is genuinely really passionate about the FAL and I have immense respect for him and what he does but the rest of the people steering that ship don't even pretend to give a fuck and probably don't own guns at all. They have been trying to force their completely unremarkable AR-15 on the market that nobody gives a fuck about just so they could push that guy out and drop FAL production altogether. It sucks, but these kinds of soulless business parasites invade and ruin everything. It's a miracle that DSA still makes FALs at all despite their efforts.
>>64458616That's a very ugly paint job
>>64461519>look her up>ruined her face with plastic surgerySad, many such cases
>>64461608Fucking Kim Kardashian, that bitch.
>>64461608don't care about anything but her ass & pussy
>>64458876Grow up. This website has fucked up your mind and social skills
>>64461575>M14 is an objectively better rifle than the FALHoly retard
>>64461772If you were in a life or death situation, which one would you pick up?
>>64461772Not even the chatgpt retard anon but it absolutely is. Both cant mount optics worth a fuck. At least the m14 is reliable and its mags dont suck cock. G3 mogs the fuck out of both
>>64461816And that's why only retarded burgers used it and it was one of their shortest serving service rifles? Even the italians made a better M14
DSA is the Springfield of FALs. Unfortunately, there's no Fulton or LRB equivalent making actual high quality rifles.
>>64461772I'm standing by that point. It's a very flawed design, but the FAL is even worse.Out of 4 M14 clones I've owned, 2 of which were SAI, one LRB and an absolutely dogshit unsafe to fire Federal Ordinance made with cast pot metal and cocaine ALL of them ran any 308 ammunition I cared to fire with zero need to adjust anything. They even ran steel cased Tulammo which blew a FAL up right in front of me.All of them were able to shoot circles around every FAL I saw, and both of the SAI rifles genuinely sucked by modern standards producing ~2 MOA groups under optimal conditions with premium ammunition. All the FALs I've seen were getting mogged by WASRs, but that could be sample size. Perhaps somebody out there has a mythical 1-2 MOA FAL but I haven't seen it and I have shot an original FN.Moreover, the only magazines worth a fuck I've ever had for my DSA FAL were Israeli surplus and I had to monitor them for any sort of feed lip deformation, which can happen easily because they have secondary control feed lips like a BAR magazine and they get bent/deformed easily. The only M14 magazine I ever had fail was a $10 KCI with improper metallurgy, all my USGI or CMI magazines have been flawless.>>64461816I did acknowledge that up front. G3s and AR-10s mog the M14 anyway.>>64461787G3>AR-10 or M14 (M14s tend to be less picky with ammunition but AR-10s are better at everything else)>FAL>M1 Garand>FN49>>>Zastava M77PS (Pure Shit)>SVT-40.>>64462089I'm genuinely interested in trying a BM-59 out if I get my hands on one. I don't imagine it's really better than an M14 in any meaningful way, but I'm open to being wrong on that account.US service with the M14 is a complicated issue plagued with short sighted design criteria, early QC problems and confused objectives. I am certain that the FAL would have failed even harder and been dropped faster if it had been adopted, which would have been for the best because the whole battle rifle concept was doomed from the start.
>>64458616Yes because decent imbels can be found for under $1500, mag and ammo prices are insane though
>>64461575>G3>better than FALBy what metric?
>>64461761Kill yourself, you worthless faggot.>>64462241>They even ran steel cased Tulammo which blew a FAL up right in front of me.That very round would have wrecked your other rifles too, are you too retarded to understand that? Or do you assume that there's something unexplainable about a casing made out of steel which the FAL's design somehow cannot handle?
>>64458616You're at least 20 years too late. FALs were great when surplus parts and magazines were abundant. Today, not so much.
>>64463269Grow up, you insufferable 14 year old
>>64463255Every. G3s are still used to this day.
>>64458616When you could build a nice imbel for $600, yesBut that was 1999. DSA has always been kind of a joke and you should consider yourself lucky if the gun runs through 5 battle packs without issueParts availability has really fallen off for most FAL variants>consider picrel
>>64464213Seek Canadian healthcare.>>64464229By irrelevant third world militias who can't budget for something not antiquated, which is also where you still see FALs at times.
>>64461575No you're fucking retarded, you shit on Springfields but say a modern M1A is good to go. Ive held a PTR, DSA FAL and Springfield M1A and the Springfield costs more than a DSA and has worse quality than a current build PTR
>>64465332You do realize companies other than Springfield make M14s, right?
>>64465443Who makes a factory new M14 in current year besides Springfield? You mean parts kits?
>>64465469https://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspxhttps://www.lrbarms.com/m14-rifles.htmlhttps://buladefense.com/products/
>>64464268The bizarre thing is that DSA literally has the tooling and technical documents from Steyr's STG 58 production line. Yet they haven't even been able to make a functional FAL magazine in 20 fucking years. That takes a special kind of incompetence.
>>64466632I don't understand itEven when I built my imbel they had a reputation for mediocre QCI'm just glad I was able to build a couple from parts kits>picrel now shot out due to ~20k in battle packs
>>64462241>FAL>M1 Garandif that's the case then the Garand must be total dogshit from the way you're describing the FAL, but I've shot my friend's Garand and it was a nice rifle.>G3>AR10why is that?
>>64469237You're arguing with antediluvian /k/ memes from back when poorfags could actually afford guns. The AR-10 is objectively the best battle rifle among the g3, m14, FAL, AR-10 debate that sprung up when those were reasonably priced and tactical larping hadn't yet taken over 90% of discussion here that wasn't yuros pissing about geopolitics. However the ar-10 was the gucci option and the m14 was more expensive than the other 2, had a rifle stock instead of a pistol grip, springfield's fuckup and was only featured in vietnam instead of a bunch of irrelevant bush wars around the globe. The G3 and FAL, by contrast are "exotic", cheaper, muh Rhodesia and more modern in aesthetics. The debate thus became G3 vs FAL because the other two, while relevant are not viable for the poor fags, so the debate became about muh inherent accuracy between two 2-4 moa cold war rifles with all sorts of cope that nobody will ever realistically approach in any part kit they managed to scrape together based on modern reproduction examples that are objectively better than their cold war counter parts but can't live up to anecdotes. Basically the G3 and FAL are to /k/ xillenials what the m14 is to boomers except the poorfags here don't have the capital or skill to make an aftermarket nearly as big. The current debate is already solved, if you want a dmr the AR-10/SR-25 have won, if you want a "battle rifle" the SCAR won until the M7 gets some screentime. The only arguments they lose are ones concerning price which is cope and sour grapes.
>>64469331Coolest battle rifle I ever handled was an old Armalite (the commercial company, not the original Armalite) a guy at the range had with a fixed carry handle. It was like an oversized M16A2 and would easily shoot sub-MOA with his handloads. It didn't strike me as super heavy either, IIRC he said it had a medium contour chrome lined barrel.
>>64458802>Being a boring minmaxxing larp autist who will never get to fire a shot in anger is stupid.It's why I strictly buy for fun, not playing army man dress up
>>64461575>M14 is an objectively better rifle than the FALAbsolutely based
>>64463269>>64458876He's right, your mind is totally warped if you think social interaction works that way
