>A lome Tiger rushing in head First with no tactics or strategy or support could kill 15 allied tanks and 15 more vehicle in 15 minutes
then why did they lose?
>>64460757This guy was turned into the first German astronaut by a Firefly not long afterwards.
>>64460757People still believe this shit. It's like a fairy tale for them.
Why do people lionize a nation and a system that got its ass whooped? Why do weirdos love these literal losers? Is it just the aesthetic?
>>64460965They attatch themselves to these myths in the hope that they too, can really show everyone how it's done.Of course these midwits don't have the perserverance needed to attain the skills in the first place and then move on to shitting up every discourse they can worm themselves into (podcasts are a great example of this).
>>64460757You forget the part two of the battle where he pretty much gets everyone around him completely wiped out nullifying any gains he made.
>>64460965>killed the enemy like 3:1 on the offense and even more on the defense losing solely due to numbers>everyone shamelessly copies their military doctrine and technology post war>durr why do people think they were good??
>>64460983>Lost a war to American production kek, some winners you have there
Even a defensive line of 6-pdr guns hidden in the bocage could stop the Tigers. The plan to overrun the landing beaches with armored troops in Sicily, Anzio, and Normandy ended in a dismal failure.
>>64460983>lead a war of racial supremacy to prove your race is the most supreme>loseSo, why do people think they were good?
>>64460757>stumble headfirst into the allies>catch them by surprise>leave>do nothing for 2 months>try to do it again, intentionally this time>he gets ambushed instead>dies horriblyWas this all part of his master plan?
>>64460757I was watching some german propaganda footage about their telling of the Battle of Villers-Bocage, and I have to wonder what they mean by heavy and very heavy tanks.
>>64460757>tries rushing again>gets unceremoniously killed by a 17-pdr
>>64460983>killed the enemy like 3:1 on the offense and even more on the defense losing solely due to numbersKIA between germans and western allies was 1:1but counting captured and WIA, then its 3:1 in favor of the allies despite the germans defending>everyone shamelessly copies their military doctrine and technology post warmost countries took bits and pieces from the germans, but the germans in turn took from everyone elsebut by and large, post-war development was largely based off their own experiencesUS doctrine evolved from US doctrine
Germans were playing with balistic missiles while the rest were still Flying props.America Just had Better pencil pushers, but not Better soldiers, generals or engineers
>>64461061Right, and how are wars won exactly?
>>64461044Cromwell es very heavy tank...>>64461061>not better soldiersfalse>not better generalsfalse>not better engineersfalse
>>64460757>slava deutchl-ACK!
>kills your tiger ''''ace'''' when he tries his retarded luck strategy againalso, kills for tanks for germutts were counted by squad kek
>>64461061>while the rest were still Flying props.the US and british also had jetsthey just never felt the need to deploy them in large number because they were already winning the war and were mostly focused on testing them rather than rushing them out >or engineersis just a flat out lie, the US had some of the most advanced miniaturization efforts of the entire warculminating in the B-29s fire director computer that allowed each gunner in the bomber to automatically control 2 turrets each
>>64461044Identification was never consistent and our post war understanding of tanks is different. To add to it the various nations all had different understandings as well. Never mind the fact that people doing films aren't always educated on what they're filming or talking about. Since it's a propaganda puff piece you just assume they're talking out the ass>>64461061Retarded take, but okay
>>64461029His master plan was to become the first kraut to reach space!
>>64460965There were good parts. Doesn't change the overwhelming bad and stupid, but they genuinely had many positives.Then fucked up a lot.
>>64461061>German Wonder Weapon: A missile that didn’t do anything in the grand scheme of things American Wonder Weapon: Unleashing the power of the Sun and heralding the modern age
>>64461099>>64460942How many times are you gonna try to make this joke?It’s not even like you’re the first person to make it
>>64460983Auftragstaktik was born in WWI. The foundation of Wehrmacht was laid in the 20s with von Seeckt's military leadership. Most of German generals were from old Prussian officer dynasties and either didn't care about or didn't want any of the Nazi shit that incels today like to jack off to
>>64460965I mean, people still jerk off to the US Military after Vietnam and GWOT ended in defeat. Even the Soviets' spectacular failure in Afghanistan that wound up causing the collapse of their entire empire has been lionized by some as having been a lost cause that could have prevented things like 9/11.
>>64461061>America Just had Better pencil pushers, but not Better soldiers, generals or engineers
>>64461692The first atomic bombs were purely fission whereas the sun is a fusion
>>64460863the allies brought 16 tanks to the fight
>>64460757Soviet heavy tanks during Barbarossa had more impressive achievements and it was still part of huge clusterfuck for Red Army
Y'know if I were some kind of retard with delusions of grandeur I would sink massive resources into developing a handful of technology demonstrators into a small quantity of weapons with propaganda value but no actual impact on the outcome of the war. If I was actually focused on winning the war, I would probably use my existing technology to make a piston engine that could reliably produced +2000hp, a viable strategic bomber (which Germany utterly failed at), the proximity fuse (which Germany tried and failed to do), the cavity magnetron, bomb sights that actually worked, logistics that didn't depend on horses, a tank that could be built in a car factory and shipped overseas and function flawlessly without needing repairs, night vision, and a bomb that could wipe out an entire city (which the Germans never even got close to). You can stroke yourself thinking about how cool the handful of bullshit irrelevant propaganda weapons were, doesn't change the fact that American technology was far superior from a strategic standpoint and made a bigger impact. They didn't have to ship Tigers across the Atlantic and if they did the pieces of shit would have broken down in the first week.
>>64462127>logistics that didn't depend on horsesTurns out that's a lot harder than we thought...
>>64462127>night vision,Google vampyr
>>64460757The Germans never once had a theatre wide operational success against American troops. On average, they were inferior in virtually every possible way. Worse training, worse logistics, worse commanders, and on average, lower quality weapons. Oh you say, I've shot down a handful of your bombers with my new jet plane wunder waffle. Nice job. Here, have 1,000 Mustangs that will outnumber them 10:1 and cuck them when they're trying to take off and land at their highly vulnerable airfields. Also we rotate our pilots so that our best people don't get killed, what a concept. Oh you say, we've mildly inconvenienced several Londoners on their way to the tube with our new ballistic wunderwaffe with amazing CEP of tens of kilometers. That's nice Germany. You see that smoking crater over there? That used to be Dresden. That one over there used to be Cologne. We had the glowing brain genius move of putting four engines on a bomber. One of them carries more than triple the payload and they can actually see what they're aiming at, and we didn't even bankrupt ourselves doing it. >Be kraut>DieLel
>>64462150It was around the same time as the American Sniperscope/Snooperscope night vision. The major difference was that while there isn't an single recorded instance of Vampyr actually being used in combat because it was incredibly flimsy, Sniperscope was actively deployed to the Pacific theater and actually worked.
>>64460965>Why do people lionize a nation and a system that got its ass whooped?It's because the History channel portrays German technology and tactics like pic related
>>64460757>teleports behind you
>>64460757>644609836446099>64461029>64461044>64461061>64461069>64461073>64461082>64461099>64461151>64461650>64461692>64462127>64462133>64462150>64462227most nazis were extremely cowardly backstabbers. Very few died with dignity or didn't rat out their comrades for a better deal. Even those who later killed themselves like Goring and Himmler backstabbed Hitler hard and tried to strike a better deal with the Allies in exchange. Keep in mind that the star of the SS and "Hitler's favorite commando" Otto Skorzeny became a Mossad hitman and killed escaped Nazis for the Israeli regime.Another fun fact: Of the 16 million German men who served in the Wehrmacht and SS in WW2 12 million surrendered and Germany never had a relevant post-occupation resistance movement of any kind when even places like Ethiopia and Albania managed to have oneThe only other occupied state with this level of subservience was Japan, but that at least had their deified Emperor tell them to stand down. Hitler meanwhile told the Germans to fight to the last, and they all ignored it and collaborated with their occupiers to the fullest extent possibledoes this television show and/or film accurately portray this?
>>64462401I think by the end most of them realized that what they had been fighting for and that Hitler himself, was massive failure.There's no reason to not surrender at that point.
>>64461675GWOT wasn't a failure though
>>64462445Damn seething for no reason lmao. Kind of weird you have that saved on your device.
>>64460965It's a bomb aesthetic
>>64462445Mä häpeän sua
>>64460983>Bro, the Germans were like wolfensteinSo why is it the feats of every other country is ignored? Most of the shit the Germans worked on were also designed independently by other powers during the war.
>>64460965Neonazis.
>>64460955>People still believe this shit. It's like a fairy tale for them.If it were a fairy tale to them, they would NOT believe it, you absolute fucking retard.
>>64460983In 711 7,000 Moors conquered and crushed the entire Germanic Visigothic kingdom while outnumbered 100000:1 on the offense.Why aren't you worshipping Moroccans?
>>64462664Children believe fairytales and that's what you are, a child. One who has played too many map painters.
>>64460965Because they look cool and became a modern day cultural robin hood of sorts. In simpler terms, it makes libtards seethe.
>>64463279>In simpler terms, it makes libtards seethe.I hate the way American politics has devolved into this retarded contrarian shit.
>>64463318It's not politics so much as culture. Read nigga, read. Nazi shit is what satanic shit was 50 years ago.
>>64461624Because it hasn't stopped being funny or making you seethe like the cuck you are.
>>64462205Sounds like a problem with the weapons platform desu, ZF4 sights were uncommon on StG 44 despite being specifically designed to be compatible on it for the same reason (the sights would lose their zero when fired on full-auto)
>>64463351You know this is just a bait thread, right?
>>64460965>>64460979Name-calling and projecting tankie tranny pinkos from lefty/pol/ groomcords at it again
>>64462171>Also we rotate our pilots so that our best people don't get killed, what a concept>We had the glowing brain genius move of putting four engines on a bomber.I really hate that the myriad of different reasons Germany had different practices, different system priorities and different faults can apparently only be discussed in a dickwaving contest
>>64463452A lot of people politicize the conversation for different reasons unfortunately. Talking about things objectively and unemotionally is the realm of autists.
>>64463468>realm of autistsI'm sorry, I thought I was on 4chan
>>64463487Unfortunately, as this site has grown in popularity we've had an increasing number of non autists taking up residence. Also a lot of liberal types who think they can basically play the same sort of cultural activist/trickster role that we have, by coming here and spamming bbc and things of the like.
>>64462451>GWOT wasn't a failure though
>>64463524The BBC spam is courtesy of our local serb.Incurable, I'm afraid
>>64460965America and all first world countries have taken virtually all cutting edge military ideas from Germany since the seven years war. You can go as far back as that time and see British army commanders like Robert Craufurd boasting that they could discipline their men in a Prussian manner. We wouldn't have NCO corps, conscription, low level officer initiative, and hell, even public schooling, without them.
>>64461675LOL west taiwan got beat back by Vietnam twice. How much shame doe west taiwan feel?
>not even mad at wehraboos or unironic nazis or even chuds that meme aryan black moon stuff>just notice and mention why do you guys always spam black and white low quality wehrmatch marching all the time. >cause a giant civil war jannies, mods,regulars>get banned>everyone fighting calling each other feds and kikes etc. man i wasnt even intending to piss anyone off.
>>64460965They are fascists that like to pretend fascism produces results when in reality it blames internal groups for all their problems and when those groups are gone and the problems remain they blame external groups and start wars.If fascists actually wanted results they wouldn't vilify science driving a scientific exodus.
>>64463571Global War On TerrorCan you faggots read?
>>64460965To give a semi-serious answer:>massive, fundamental change>deliberate aesthetic focus>resounding early victories>hard-fought ultimate defeat>influential technical and theoretical developments>self-mythologisation "lost cause">"the enemy of my enemy is my friend">ideological sympathiesand so on and so on
>>64460965The world would be in a better place if Germany won.
>>64463407Yup and here they are comparing them mask off saying 'america bad': >>64460999real original stuff. they're just compelled to lash out at things they dont understand.
>>64460965It's the same reason why people worship the Soviet Union/Communism because they genuinely believe it could have worked if other decisions or leaders were in charge, while ignoring the numerous structural problems that plagued both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union that caused the collapse of both.
>>64461044>ES IST EIN SCHWERER PANZERKAMPFWAGEN M6A2E1 MIT 10,5CM KWK T5E1 L/65 IN TURM NEUER ART!>LAUFEN SIE!
This thread will get baleeted but I appreciated it. Several good points, both lefty and righty. Feels like oldpol.
>>64461061>Germans were playing with balistic missilesNice guidance system you got there, Heinrich. Did you steal your nephew's toy top to make it? What's its CEP in fractions of a London? Do you regret spending a billion dollars in 1945 money on a super weapon whose biggest """accomplishment""" was killing 567 Belgian movie goers? Probably not, since if you had spent it on almost anything else your 1000 Year Reich might have lasted 12 1/2 years instead of only 12 and you would have had to sit through a few lectures on Jüdische Physik courtesy of the Army Air Forces before your country got quartered like an overly-ambitious vassal.
And the Allies always had 16 of each according to the same Germans blah blah blah.
>>64460757>A lome Char B1 rushing in head First with no tactics or strategy or support could kill 13 Axis tanks and 2 anti-tank guns while getting shot 140 times>Survives Sorry wherbros. This singular anecdote proves that the Frog tanks were the superior ones.
>>64461006Sicilia had no resistance, jew retard..
>>64466078>german and Italians are so pitiful they couldn't put up anything approaching resistancesad!
