Looks like the bickering within the FCAS project is not stopping anytime soon. >Our partner has been very open that they’re not happy with the work share that was agreed for the program, and they’re asking for something different, which is not what was agreed>If Dassault Aviation is unhappy with the next generation fighter jet project FCAS, they have the option to exitThis is what Airbus SE Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury had to say to Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier after the latter spent the better part of the past 6 months complaining about the project. Is FCAS doomed? Will Germany, Spain and Sweden go their own way, buy the F-47 or join GCAP? Would they even be allowed into GCAP seeing how smooth that program has been so far?
>>64461730Based. Get fucked frogoids.
>Dassault is bitching and moaning about muh workshare and le we can actually do it ourselves>If you don't like it, leaveIt's based as fuck but I think this is just another step into getting the thing canceled
>>64462045Only due to budgetary reasons. The biggest meme in this debacle is the frogs thinking they are the only ones with experience in building a fighter jet. They only have experience in being booted off the Eurofighter program and selling an incomplete Eurofighter, the Rafale. Which we all saw how it immediately shat the bed the moment it was used in a conflict.
>>64462082I don't really care for the rafale (lol frogs couldn't figure out a retractable refueling boom lmao) but I think that the fact that they were flown by jeet pilots is too much of a confounding variable to tell if they're actually worse than the chink plane. jeets could lose an F-22 to sopwith camel
>>64461730>Is FCAS doomed?Germany should tell the French that FCAS is theirs and ask Britain if they could join or see if the Swedish would be willing to double up on their 6th fighter program
Frogs probably thought this time they had cornered Germans with the engine given the absence of RR.
>>64461730It’s worth noting this isn’t at the intergovernmental level but rather the French CEO of the partially French Airbus telling the wholly French Dassault that they’re being an ass. I believe this is the first time they are catching shit from a major player in French aerospace rather than German or Spanish aerospace, which could actually bode well for the program.
>>64462600Interesting revelation. I think it signals program death if they don't stfu. It's risking other French businesses and indicates a French subsidiary (Airbus) won't play ball with their own program.
>>64461730Genuinely impressive at how far they're willing to jeopardize the future of air security for their egos.
>>64461730Why are we like that ? Can't wait to leave this shithole
>>64462613This is the french we are talking about. You shouldn't be surprised. They're a face society, not a results society.
>>64462600>I believe this is the first time they are catching shit from a major player in French aerospaceI've dealt in similar situations. I would bet a good amount of money the message was from both Germany and Spain, but the delivery was from the French CEO to "dull" the blow of the statement. Kinda like a signal that they are tired of this charade, but there is still room to talk, meanwhile if such an hard comment was made by someone in Germany it would've attracted unrelated nationalistic issues.
>>64462082>The biggest meme in this debacle is the frogs thinking they are the only ones with experience in building a fighter jetFrogs retained their own industry and know-how and continued to built fighter jets. When was the last time Airbus did such a project? 30 years ago with the Typhoon?
>>64462806What frontline fighter jet (or even trainer) did France build after the Rafale?
>>64461730We have been through the exact same shit before with the eurofighter development.Apparatly we haven't learned.
>>64462082>a singular battle involving the Rafale still lives rent free in the heads of NAFOxirs months laterMeanwhile American and British garbage gets shredded on a regular basis in Ukraine.
>>64462898>FCAS thread>vatnik snowflake has an immediate meltdown about ukraine and NATOok?
>>64462898>NAFOGet some better material bunkertranny>American and British garbage gets shredded on a regular basis in UkraineDo not look up how much russian garbage got blown up in Ukraine
This post >>64462898 is too retarded to be real... It has to be a falseflag.
>>64462945He probably misread it as FAS and thought it was a thread about russia
>>64462806>Frogs retained their own industry and know-how and continued to built fighter jetsthats great and all but who cares when you can only produce a handful of fighters at extreme costs every year when your competition can build better and cheaper?
>>64462898>Meanwhile American and British garbage gets shredded on a regular basis in Ukraine.
Dassault survives on gibs from the French state and now the French government can't afford to subsidise them, they know their days are numberedAirbus just has to play a waiting game and they'll be able to buy up the parts of the company's assets they want through the French part of Airbus, or see it nationalised rather than sold to a foreign buyer.No doubt Trappier will want to sell the IP Airbus want to China first, because they'll pay more and he's a greedy kike
>>64462898>immediate butthurt about a particular Rafale loss>pro-zigger cope photos saved on his computerYou wouldn't happen to be Indian, would you anon?
>>64461730Of course France would leave, it was settled 2 years ago already. Imagine being so cucked you tie yourself balls deep with IBM jews. Then again, we're talking about a country that decided to close down their clean nuclear power plants because they were afraid of fucking tsunamis in Bayern.
>>64463222>implying that Bloch (Dassault) isn't...Oh whatever.
>>64462898>Future Combat Air System thread>Autistic Vatnik screeching about UkraineSomething blew-up in Russia didn't it :)
>>64461730Remember, how that other joint project, one hailed on 4chan as the Second Coming? Ten years later somehow Leopards are dominating the market again, Leclerc is DOA just as the French tank industry and MGCS?>The first piece of information shared during this hearing revealed that for the MGCS (Main Ground Combat System), " under German leadership [...] the end of this year, or even the beginning of next year, will also be crucial." What is presented as a new turning point for this program is, in fact, just the latest twist in a project initiated more than nine years ago. Among the "crucial" years for the MGCS, we can cite 2015, the year KNDS was created; 2019, the year Rheinmetall entered the project; and 2020, which saw the signing of a (first) ministerial agreement concerning architectural studies. In 2021, the outgoing German Parliament, due to elections, did not approve the project's funding, leaving it to the next parliamentarians to do so, thus creating a further delay in the program. In 2022, the possible arrival of a fourth partner in the project was discussed, linked to tensions surrounding the awarding of the MILSA ( MGCS Industrial Lead System Architecture). This already long list was further supplemented, according to Berlin's prevailing mood, by statements of widely varying nature, including those of Ralf Ketzel, CEO of KNDS, for whom the MGCS is essentially a political project. https://blablachars.blogspot.com/2025/10/2025-encore-une-annee-perdue.html?m=1 It's time for frogbros to bail out before these autistic thieves murder Dassault as well.
>>64461730>buy the F-47Oh, God. I don't think my dick can handle F-47's in German markings.
>>64463476Forgot WEBM.
>>64461730>buy the F-47It won't be for sale.
>>64463305>blablachars.blogspot.comlmao. Can you stop pretending to be a neutral observer you annoying butthurt Polish f-a-g-g-o-t?Leclerc production was already ended years ago while Leopard 2 production always kept running, it wasn't killed in any way by this program like you try to insinuate. It's so obvious that like 99% of Poles you're simply asshurt at anything German.
>>64463484>that exhaust Holy mother of sex
>>64462186The other plane was flown by a Paki though.>>64461730Everyone is going to buy the F-47 (except the Forgs out of spite). All those European, Japanese or Russian projects will never amount to anything. None of these countries could even make a 5th gen fighter. Hell, Euros can’t even build cargo planes anymore since they’re all buying the Brazilian C-390.
>>64463123>when your competition can build better and cheaperCan they? What's Germanys jet output?
>>64464339>buy the F-47I think it's going to be like the F-22 where America doesn't sell them.
>>64462898Russians are angey babies (part 1)
>>64463123>when your competition can build better and cheaperwhat competition though? not airbus
>>64462898>>64464361Russians are angey babies (part 2)
>>64463305>Leclerc production: 1992 - 2008>Leopard 2 production: 1979 to present>MGCS started in 2012Yes. Clearly a project that started four years after Leclerc production ended is to blame for the fact that Leopards 2 continue to be produced. Maybe the fact that the Leclerc has three operators compared to the Leopard‘s two dozen might be more relevant?
>>64464352The people will buy whatever the F-35 of the sixth generation will be.
Dassault thought they could bully their way into whatever settlement they wanted with eurozone countries, because it worked for backwater turd world shitholes. They're the defense contractor equivalent of the grade school bully thinking he could beat an adult
>>64464384Hilarious how they thought that they can extort concessions from fucking Airbus.
>>64464371We have F-47 and F/A-XXwhich will become Raptor and which will become Lightning-II?>one of those is Air Force the other one is Navy; it's a bad analogywork with me a little.
>>64464364Gooks, Burgers or maybe even [spoiler]Chinks[/spoiler]
>>64464352I don't they can afford to do that in this world where everything costs ridiculous amounts.
>>64463222Except frogniggers seems really quiet about buying crucial US techs whenever it suits them.> https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/france-plans-to-order-3rd-emals-catapult-track-for-future-aircraft-carrier/The very same carrier class that frogniggers demanding concession from their partners about muh catapult/carrier compatibility, right ?How about frogniggers simply admit it's all about dominating other partners not too dissimilar to the us position within f35 program, except the us also forked out like 95% of the cost.And we all know too well by now that frogniggers and Dassault, to be more specific, is too broke to foot anything more than 50% of the bill.So trappier can either cough up enough money if he wants 80% of the workshare(lol he can't) or getting pooed by the call center scammers.
>>64464369Why didn't anyone buy leclerc?
>>64464406the French MiC strategy is geard towards keeping their own alive at the minimal cost for the state. as a result it's is geared towards orders from the French military and only the French military. whom in turn orders enough to keep the MiC going until it needs a replacement.as such starting up more production capacity for exports is a risk, the French government isn't going to bail you out if it fails. nor is the French military willing to delay taking possession of the equipment it ordered because you want to use the production line to fit in some foreign orders. as such exports come towards the end of the production life of the equipment. at that point it's no longer the hot new thing and there are better offerings to be had elsewhere. tl:dr French MiC policy is very conservative
>>64464415>nor is the French military willing to delay taking possession of the equipment it ordered because you want to use the production line to fit in some foreign ordersNaval Group literally did that for the Greek frigates
>>64464386>which will become Lightning-II?I think it'll just be the F-35, at least for a while
>>64464416naval has more build capacity than the French navy has buying power but again naval could not and would not survive without the orders it gets from the French navy the issue with both the FCAS and the MGCS is that the French and Germans have different goals and priorities. But they are forced to work together on bigger projects due to both political and economic incentives.MGCS is THE replacement for an aging French tank fleet.but for the Germans it's just a more modern tank. because they still have active production lines for the Leo II's going.same with FCAS it is THE replacement of the rafale.but for the Germans they could make do with just buying some more F35's this leads to different priorities and demands that then cause problems and frictions.
>>64461730This is tradition at this point. It'd be bigger news if they didn't bicker and fall out!
>>64464386Ferrari F-35 will be the F-35
>>64462806>Frogs retained their own industry and know-how and continued to built fighter jetsAs opposed to Germany and Spain who both were in the Eurofighter program? Why are all frogs so retarded?
>>64463476>>64463484>boeingit will never fly, they aren't even able to built a trainer anymore.
>>64464448Probably the true answer, bravo>>64464421I think you're also saying the same, but should've mentioned the "ferrari" upgrade.
>>64464448Locksneed still can't deliver the block 4 after so many years of delays and you expect them to be trusted with a retarded concept made to please Trump like a twin engine F-35?
>>64461730>french arms developers>shitting on foreign programsAt least this time they didn't get all the funding to make their parts of the program before ducking out and using them for themselves.
>>64461730FCAS is fucking dead at this point.
>>64464602You have no idea what you're talking about if you think an upgrade will involve anything with a twin engine. Whether they can deliver on time is another question, but it's a capability for after block 4.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/lockheed-self-funding-prototypes-f-35/
>>64464397Gooks can not develop their own aircraft with support, for example they are using American engines.
>Same people that complained about not being able to rely on the US are doing the same shit the US doesIts always about power and control, Europe is full of people that want their country to control the rest, no center in Europe etc.
>>64462806>Frogs retained their own industry and know-how and continued to built fighter jets. When was the last time Airbus did such a project? 30 years ago with the Typhoon?The way you say it seems to indicate that you think, the development experience of the French is somehow fresher. You do realize that the Eurofighter is newer than the Rafale, yes? First flight 1994 vs 1986. So the better question would be: When was the last time Dassault did such a project? 40 years ago with the Rafale? With the French retirement age it is guaranteed that every single Rafale developer is now a pensioner. There might be some Eurofighter developers still in employment.
>>64465303That's always been France. Whenever they cry about "buying european" they mean buying french. Everytime there is a joint project where they are not the lead they destroy it. Whenever there is a group procurement they sabotage it if they are not buying french products. France is right in what they say, about the EU needing to decouple from the US and become self sufficient. But they don't mean it in the slightest, they only want to control Europe while they cannot even have stability in their own country.
>>64462806Hey, muhammed, care to reply to >>64462809 ?>Frogs retained their own industry and know-how and continued to built fighter jetsThey didn't
>Germany ties funding for MGCS and FCAS together >Germany decides they don't actually want MGCS and stop paying for it>This halts funding for FCAS as well>Dassault points out that they don't actually need German input, just German funding, and if the Germans aren't going to pay they should just fuck off>Airbus tells Dassault to fuck off and they'll just finish it with Spanish moneyI hate frogs as much as the next guy, but trying to spin this shitshow as anyone but the German government's fault is delusional.
>>64465681>I hate frogs as much as the next guy,You clearly don’t since you immediately defend them with a bunch of cope bullshit. France thought they could bully their way through and now they are getting put in their place, it’s as simple as that
>>64462002? Airbus is French Guillaume Faury is French Dassault leaving the European consortium and making another plane of their own is the absolute best that could happen lol >>64464339 >Euros can’t even build cargo planes anymore since they’re all buying the Brazilian C-390 Airbus A400M mogs your C-390 wtf are you talking about the only EU country who bought the C-390 is Portugal because... they literally participated in the plane development try again monkey
>>64462082>The biggest meme in this debacle is the frogs thinking they are the only ones with experience in building a fighter jet.where did they say that? or you are just talking out of your ass? >They only have experience in being booted off the Eurofighter program they literally left by themselves to build a better plane on their own hahaha, keep seething >Which we all saw how it immediately shat the bed the moment it was used in a conflict. the Rafale was used in multiple conflicts and different configurations retard to be fair even the latest Mirage versions are better than the Eurofighter
good to see our butthurt belt is still in need of group therapy sessions
>>64463170>Dassault survives on gibs from the French as opposed to Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Airbus, SAAB, etc... who never ever saw a cent of public money. am I right? lmao fucking clown >they know their days are numbered with the total number of orders they received in the past two years they are assured to still be here in the next 15 years at the very least. >No doubt Trappier will want to sell the IP Airbus want to China first, because they'll pay more and he's a greedy kike ok
>>64465767Is this the same blog with no verified actual document other than the very same dubious table that frogniggers keep spamming for eternity, lol ?Also> still posting tranche 1 vs rafail f3let's start comparing tranche 2 and tranche 3, which is actually making up the majority of the fleet, shall we.And even at tranche 1 barebone airframe, it still mog rafail in A2A performance, lolNice self-own btw, frognigger
>>64465807forgot link> https://rafalenews.blogspot.com/2012/02/switzerland-evaluation-report-quick.html>NWA phase I is the first 2008 evaluation with real flight trialsYep, tranche 1 were being used in those trials, and that's assuming the table datas are even real and totally not being made up by dassault kikes, btw
AI hallucinations think Germany is just posturing.
>>64464404>Except frogniggers seems really quiet about buying crucial US techs whenever it suits them. Macron said he will announce the IDEA of purchasing one emals catapult track for the FUTURE aircraft carrier which they didn't even STARTED to build yet on the annual Christmas speech because it is a very very very important news that every French citizen awaits to hear about lol, lmao even
>>64464384>Dassault thought they could bully their way into whatever settlement they wanted with eurozone countries, because it worked for backwater turd world shitholes. They're the defense contractor equivalent of the grade school bully thinking he could beat an adult another monkey who doesn't understand that this is all an act and Dassault is just pushing to find a good excuse to leave the project to make their own jet just like they did with the Rafale >>64464385Airbus is French, so it doesn't matter
>>64465816They are.They're too pussy to back out now as it would be essentially killing their domestic fighter aircraft manufacturing/development capabilities. For pure $ value they should drop france like a rock and go buy GCAP with a massive early order, but they wont.
>>64464506>>64462082>>64465423the Eurofighter critical systems are using French technology from Airbus, Safran and Thales. lol. >>64465423Rafale is a brand, not a single model >>64464611why are you lying
>>64465827>>64465741>>64465835>airbus is french >because the ceo is a frog muncher !!!Lmao, is this a new cope script ?Also, absolutely do not, in any case, ever look up the HQ of airbus defense&space, the one actually in charge of Fcas and and NGF development for german and spaniard side
>>64465820?
Faury is a fucking g*rm plant despite his name. Not only Germany completely changed the previous in 2019 through the Bundestag favoring MTU at the expense of Safran even though everything was settled already, they also shat on Spain (even though they brought them in) through Faury when the Spanish government choose Indra Sistema instead of the local Airbus branch (well, would you look at that! They wanted more control and dilute everyone else!). All the g*rms want is full control and suck off the knowledge. They can fuck off, they should partner with their beloved Kebabs, maybe together they'll be able to build a jet engine running on Grill Döner. Imagine the smell.
>>64465807>>64465813keep coping like above said, the Typhoon depends on Airbus, Safran and Thales for critical parts. HAHAHA
>>64461730What is the technology this plane has that would make it "next gen"?
>>64465853
>>64465681Careful You gonna upset the nu-wehraboos. God forbid you tread on their freshly painted moral high ground.
>>64465855>More spammings, copepastings and mindless ramblingsSorry, didn't know a simple debunk could mindbreak you this hard.
>>64465867>Poleniggers hopping on brownest dick he could find, just like what his ancestors did back in the day.You should try some of that yellow dick, as the case with worst Korea. Last I heard k2pl absolutely shat the bed btw
Can low IQ jeetards stop using "AI" already. Last time I used it to list publicly available products (camera lenses) having certain characteristics, all accessible on the manufacturer's plain HTML webpage, it listed everything wrong. Not a single one listed had the asked characteristics.I won't even delve into the absolute shit code it gave me when I asked a simple VB script. On top of forgetting closing parenthesis. How in the FUCK are you a machine and you fucking forgot closing parenthesis. Any dumb code editor has been doing this for 25 years already.Death to AIjeets.
>>64465877Stop asking AI math questions you fucking moron, they're large LANGUAGE models, not math models.They're meant to parse/interpret text, once you throw a bunch of numbers in there you're just asking for it to start hallucinating.
>>64465847another one who doesn't know anything about Airbus. Airbus D&S is a subsidiary of Airbus. the place where everything about Airbus projects are decided, started, managed, designed and manufactured for the MOST part is Blagnac, near Toulouse in France. the HQ for financial services and tax reasons is located in the Netherlands. why Toulouse? because this is where the biggest European aerospace company called "Aérospatiale-Matra" was manufacturing its planes before merging with 2 minor spanish and german companies, creating EADS before it was renamed AIRBUS. next message you are going to tell me ArianeGroup and Arianespace are also not French? LOL
>>64465868what debunk? the only thing you can reply is "uhh uhhh mmm okayy.. bububbb butt it must be something made up by the frogs!" Airbus, Thales and Safran are in the Eurofighter Rafale > Eurofighter let's that sink in
>>64465705>France is getting put in their place by France do you even read yourself
>>64465889> subject deflecting> muh arianeAnd what does it have anything to do with my argument ?Airbus defense and space, especially the jet fighter division, remain dominantly in Germs hand.Did Ariane ever have anything to do with fixed-wing jet in the first place ? If so, wtf would you bring them into the discussion?
>>64465901> absolutely mindbrokencare to provide a source, achmed ?other than the same copepasta you frogniggers has been defecating for years on every single platform ?
>>64465906Are you illiterate?
>>64465911>analogy is a concept his brain cannot comprehend I accept your concession
>>64465921>French company is getting put in their place by another French company with a French CEO do you know about critical thinking
>>64465911>too many words his smooth brain can't process them allwhat is a subsidary anon? once you have answered the question you may read the post one more time but this time aloud and as slow as possible to make sure all words fits in your small ass brain.
>>64465932Ok it’s clear you are, so I won’t ask further
>>64465925Comparing a rocket company where german hasn't been actively engaging nearly as much as a totally german jet fighter division who had a hand in building the best 4G air superiority airframe is somehow an analogyin that case, why didn't your mom take up a firearm and start driving the brown horde out of france, maybe that would help with improving its average room temperature IQ, as you are clearly showing rn
>>64465919https://disco-legacy-data.s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/public/upload/1/2/12332.pdf
>>64465945No, i'm asking about muh thales, safran in EF, you illiterate neger
>>64465919sing after me: Airbus, Safran and Thales are in the Eurofighter! PIRATE FLIR and IRST are made by Thales landing system, gear and shock absorbers is made by Safran I could go on...
>>64465935Nope, the ball is still in your court to prove how Airbus has total control over ADS ?No deflecting
>>64465945>>64465964> achmed is mindbrokenI welcome your concession, for once
>>64465941speaks about IQ but doesn't know what an analogy is and gets mad about it. many such cases.
>>64465951>care to provide a source, achmed ?>other than the same copepasta you frogniggers has been defecating for years on every single platform ?uh yeah, you sure are asking for a very detail source here but ok.anyways, your source : Safranhttps://www.safran-group.com/products-services/eurofighter-typhoon-main-landing-gearsThaleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxSsp7Ogyk
>>64465983>Achmed bragging about anything except IQlollmao, evenand that's definitely not the analogue that you can make to prove your case, dimwit
>>64465988>analogue
>>64465974>>64465988you are arguing like a pajeet, something tell me your name isn't very english at all...
>>64465985good, and ? > https://martin-baker.com/ejection-seats/mk-f16f/> Inb4 not count !> Muh Indigenous rafail>>64465990>>64465993except a jeet would be frantically defending his beloved rafail instead
>>64465741>Airbus is FrenchBwahahahahaha. France arrogance knows no limits.
>>64465767>again with that made up picture where the source is a random blog who admits of having no source for any of the claimsJesus Christ, you're on the same level of armatard/malay schizo.
The Caliphate of Gaul killed another military project due to their incompetence, arrogance and sheer faggotry. All Hail the only European 6th gen program that will actually fly.
>>64466132FCAS was doomed the moment GCAP was born. The only 3 countries outside the US with actual experience in both developing and manufacturing a 5th gen fighter are the UK, Italy, and Japan and we did a menage a trois. France will need to keep flying their Rafails into the 2080s, if their country doesn't collapse before that. ALL HAIL GCAPALL HAIL LELOUCHALL HAIL BRITANNIA
>>64466011the F-35 has plenty of parts built from Leonardo in Italy, Terma in Denmark, the Netherlands, Kongsberg in Norway, Magellan in Canada, Marand in Australia and I shit you not, even Chinese components at the end of the day, it still remains an American fighter jet >rafail 1 Rafale down amongst a fleet of 50 during Operation Sindoor fuckfest party. this in 40 years of existence and plenty of special operations across the globe = rafail. kek.
>all this Frog Vs Kraut autism Keeek
>>64466156>ORU HAIRU BURITTANIA!ORU HAIRU BURITTANIA!>ORU HAIRU BURITTANIA!https://youtube.com/watch?v=CCIK0jg-yxk
>>64466119>again with that made up picture where the source is a random blog who admits of having no source for any of the claims why are you lying? it literally came from the Swiss Air Force and talked about non stop on RTS and such during the F-35 national scandal: https://disco-legacy-data.s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/public/upload/1/2/12332.pdf
>>64466240>1 Rafale down>https://xcancel.com/swiftretort1/status/1923367877274431980Luckily, thanks to mujeets meticulously listing, we now get that at least 3 rafails has been downedAnd no EF loss despite in service with RAF and saudi af with actual combat records to boot.Hmm, maybe the SPECTRA shouldnt have failed so SPECTACULARLY ? :^)
>>64466156>The only 3 countries outside the US with actual experience in both developing and manufacturing a 5th gen fighter are the UK, Italy, and JapanNone of those countries have developed or manufactured a 5th gen fighter, though. Unless you mean building F-35 parts, in which case there's a lot more than those three.
>>64466311>Luckily, thanks to mujeets meticulously listing you literally linked a chain of tweets from a Paki propagandist HAHAHAHAHAH you are such a fucking clown its hilarious IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE FROM MY SCREENSHOTS SAAAAARRR!!!
>>644663182 of those 3 countries, UK and Italy are literally the ones who developed and built most of the F35 outside of the US. And all of them are the only ones with a FACO.Building parts and having been in actual development is not the same.
>>64466297The PDF you linked compares Euro jets against old Swiss Hornets.(lol they were found old Hornets to perform better than Gripen)
>>64466297>it literally came from the Swiss Air ForceNope, there is zero sources of that pic, or the data within that can be traced back to anything but a random blog post
>>64466367Not to mention the latest rafale against literal tranche 1 eurofighters. But hey, the poor frogs have to do whatever they can to try and stay afloat and trying to sell their incomplete eurofighter knockoff. I just wish they would sooner or later learn how to make retractable refuel probes, or a functional EW suite.
>>64466372gave you the link, but yea, it doesn't exist as long as it doesn't fit your narrative I accept your concession
>>64466358> Not a single refuting> Even more caps and ramblingsI accept your concession. That post just work too well to counter any frognigger spam
>>64466393>link doesn't prove anything>still wants to be rightI accept YOUR concession. Any further replies by you will make me further accept your concessions.
I already had my bet done with the pastas, 11s and engerlonders, FCAS was a guaranteed flop.
>>64461730How is it possible for france to ruin every single project they are in?
truly hilarious to live rent free in the head of neo-vaginas on /k/ 24 hours a dayeternal reminder: pookraine lost, great shitstain, cuckmany and the rest of the trannyropean union are the laughing stock of the planet and most importantly you will NEVER be a woman
>>64466395https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/2024-indian-jet-crash-image-falsely-shared-pakistan-downed-indian-jet-may-2025-2025-05-13/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93g3jk39dko https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20250512-india-pakistan-conflict-rafale-fighter-jets-shot-down-images-debunked https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-game-clip-shared-real-footage-indian-jet-being-downed-2025-05-15/they even took footage from ARMA 3 looooooool the only validated wreckage they found was a fucking Airbus DROP TANK LMAO pls keep posting more propaganda that's actually funny mohammed
>>64466443Is this also fake?
>>64466437Go prep my morning pastry, chop chop
>>64466443> strawman argument> muh armaCare to tell what arma has to do with that post, Saar ?> NOOOOO, well-fed hindu supa soldier with cow dunk donuts totally destroyed 600 mujeet bases and killed 6 gorillions mujeet pawns, trast mi saaar !!!
>>64464347>>64464364as the other anon said, they're competing with the global market like the swedes, americans, chinks, etc.most of them have better planes, costs, and/or production rates
>>64466437>>64466358>>64466443Kek jeet be having a melty today
>>64466311>And no EF loss despite in service with RAF and saudi af with actual combat records to boot.When has it been used for anything but bombing durkas with AK's? It's like bragging about bullying some kid half your age.When "superior" british hardware ends up fighting against a peer opponent then... pic related, lol.
>>64466506>Durkas with ak Houthi sandniggers is a lot better equipped than your average muhammed le laurent that shot up Paris in 2015.> deflecting to tanks, againWant me to start spamming vatnigger tank losses webm ? Frog zeggroid ?
>>64466552>xir only thought is about Russian tanks, because it turns out the finest piece of cucktish hardware is just as shittyKek.
>>64466565> can’t stop thinking about trannies, even for a momentWhat is it with zeggroids and their obsession with the 50% casualty rate horde ?
>>64466597Because it makes your ass explode. The same way a shitty drone causes britshit tanks to toss their turret, lol.
I do enjoy FCAS threads.
>>64466565A million ziggers are going to be gone forever.Even one step toward TZD is a step toward the world healing.And this is from April 2024...
>>64462600>It’s worth noting this isn’t at the intergovernmental level but rather the French CEO of the partially French Airbus telling the wholly French Dassault that they’re being an ass.This. The fact that corporate are just as tired of Dassault and French antics as politicians is rather new. Usually corporate just shuts the fuck up, at least in public, and lets politicians be the ones making grievances public.>>64462801I don't think it is odd at all if CEO of Airbus has a fucking interest in business of German and Spanish divisions of Airbus.
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>>64467528>I don't think it is odd at all if CEO of Airbus has a fucking interest in business of German and Spanish divisions of Airbus.Wait, but frogniggers always told me Airbus is just a french company!
>>64461730I blame the perfidious teutons
>>64467936KEK
>>64464339>>64466905France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi/IHI) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally
>>64467936Beautiful
>>64467964Why? Both Spain and Germany joined the program under a contract, signed by Dassault and the French government that development, production and integration would've been shared equally. Then out of nowhere Dassault goes on a meltdown and wants both SP/DE to fully fund the project, but relinquish entirely their say in the project and their geo returns.This will make SP and DE into literal cucks, who will only be able to buy a fighter that caters only to the french needs at a price MUCH MUCH MUCH higher than any potential third party customers would pay in the future. Nobody in the world beside the french would ever be so arrogant and, honestly, utterly retarded to think someone would accept these conditions. But french arrogance knows no limits, so you have people unironically shocked that SP/DE are not having it. Give me a single reason why they should accept France terms when considering that since it's obvious at this point FCAS will never be a reality they are just going to buy either GCAP or the F-47, both of which will be available and flying decades before the first virtual prototype of FCAS will ever leave the CAD software?This question is kryptonite to the french. Want them to leave a thread like the rats they are? ask them this question.
>>64467936>message on chink flaglol
>>64462898Little jeet is still upset about losing the air skirmish with Pakistan lmao
>>64465767>that imageahh because the swiss in 2008 are the ultimate arbiters of which jet was better, if it was actually real lmao
>>64468014>development, production and integration would've been shared equally.You start your post with a blatant lie.
>>64468014other annonthe Germans have delayed funding on several occasionsie. the geramns get turbo autistic about the funding because "Ordnung muß sein, und wir haben ein 566-seitiges Handbuch, an das wir uns halten müssen."the french frog out because they see the delays in funding as the germans not pursuing the deal in good faithboth are to blame the germans for not making sure the funding is on time and the french for over reacting if you've ever worked with or had contact with a german public institution or any level of german governance/administration you will know that they aren't easy to work with
>french and germany start bickering like high school girls>spain siestaingVery funny
>>64468301feel free to prove me wrong, muhammed.
>>64468404It's because Spain has no real leverage in this deal, they were just added by Goymoney to give Airbus a greater share.
>>64468331>the Germans have delayed funding on several occasionsYes, in response to France not adhering to the agreed work share.
Turkey just bought 48 Eurofighters
>>64467978>where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi/IHI) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locallyExcept Leonardo, BAE, and Mitsubishi/IHI which all assemble/manufacture parts for the F-35 program.
>>64468519it's bait
>>64468331You frogs lie more than a jew
