Satellite pictures confirm China has copied the American Stealth Blackhawk used in the Obama bin Laden raid.https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1984591254290907519/video/1China probably is planning to use this for decapitation attacks against the Taiwanese government.
Why are you so butthurt, chinky?
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>>64468395>Obama bin Ladenkekus
China is obsesses over every American operation.
>>64469679that's the same area where they also built that Taipei presidential palace mockup?Yeah, they really want to go Osama route on Taiwan.
>>64469751This?
shit's long coming, i guess
>>64469753yeah, just saw a photo once where they rebuilt the goverment building as mockup too
>>64469679For what it's worth a replica Bin Laden compound doesn't seem that irrational>have SF replicate the raid>study the methods used, and reverse engineer US tactics>findings can be used to compare to/augment your own tactics, and develop counters to theirs>can incorporate it into training, with infantry having to figure out the best ways to defend the compound from OPFOR running on US tactics
>>64469679>>64469654the bin laden thing was a staged pr stunt on some random ragheads but they still managed to fuck it up. they then killed the whole seal team later in another crash.everyone involved in any way in the 911 stunt ended up getting killed. the demolition team was even sitting in the 'hijacked' planes kek.
>>64469799>study the methods used, and reverse engineer US tacticsThese things aren't a secret. You can find all sorts of courses online.
>>64468399only poos use that vernacular
>>64469799>chinkies dont know how to clear a 2 story building with minimal resistance implessive
>>64469996The operator who wrote the book on it is still alive though.
>>64471293is he the one who threatened to make DNC interns his concubines (male)
>>64471308Different guy. No Easy Day was written by Marc Owen.https://www.out.com/politics/robert-oneill-kamala-supporters-male-concubines-tweet#rebelltitem1
>>64468395Hopefully the bugmutts attempt a 3 day SMO in Taipei so when they get inevitably slaughtered we can take a good look at their tech.
>>64469996>they then killed the whole seal team later in another crashseal team 6 is more than a dozen guys
>>64471370It’s hundreds of them , no point conversing with conspiritards though
>>64469679Literally cargo cult behavior.
>>64471308lmao, I remember that shit, the whole internet made fun of this retard
>>64469679The larp is crazyyyyy
>>64469996The SEAL 6 goons who died in that Chinook were unrelated to those who raided Bin Laden's compound. Also, take your pills, schizo.
>>64469751I want to infiltrate their faggy party congress just to poke Xi with a comically long stick from the red curtains and say "come'on invade Formosa already, come'on".
>>64471381>>64471403good morning muttman. how patriotic are we feeling today?
>>64469679>China is obsesses over every American operation.If I was a Chinese general tasked with reforming the army, I'd study everything USA did as well.Why reinvent the wheel if someone else is really good at wheels?Just look at what they do and work out why they do it that way.It makes perfect sense that they'd recreate the helo, they probably learnt a lot about stealth by doing it.Creating the compound is some dedication but in the scale of the PLA budget, not a big investment, it's probably just cast concrete and it's not like China lacks experience building cheap concrete buildings.
>>64471622It’s still night time, you could at least figure that out chink
>>64471622My grandfather in Korea feels guilty because he said beating a chink to death was like murdering a child
>>64471651That is how the Chinese think, yes.
>>64471668>That is how the Chinese think, yes.It's how anyone that is coming second thinks.Work out what the people currently ahead of you are doing and why and try to do it yourself and innovate on it once you've got the basics working.If China started from first principles, it would take decades longer to catch up.Starting from US's current position, or even the 90s level, saves a load of time.
>>64471651>Why reinvent the wheel if someone else is really good at wheels?Because you aren't training for building and reinforcing fundamentals. And more than likely you don't understand why things are being done a certain way either and will get fucked hard for not knowing the specifics behind it.
>>64471690>And more than likely you don't understand why things are being done a certain way either and will get fucked hard for not knowing the specifics behind it.So you build them and study them and work out why those design choices got made.Which is what they're doing.It's a reasonable thing to do. US goes to great lengths to obtain examples of foreign military equipment too.Look up Project Azorian some time.
Someone post the chink in his car getting showered with thousands of human turds from a septic pipe explosion.
>>64471622What the weather like in Beijing fag? Is it a nice sunny afternoon (kek) or smog again?
>>64468395Yeah our best enemy Pakistan needs nuked for selling it to the Chinese.
>>64471651We don't see Russia doing this. They have some pride and try to make things on their own.
>>64471828>We don't see Russia doing thisMostly because they have neither the capital nor the smarts to do so. Russia is an anemic country, and has been since the end of the cold war. Turns out all your thralls breaking away created some unsolvable brain drain.Some of the few designs they have made in-house have been behind the curve and derivative, even if they aren't direct copies.
>>64468395>muh copyRetard.
>>64471828>We don't see Russia doing this. They're still playing follow the leader, they just have a head start from Soviet technology and don't seem to have the capability to steal from the US like China does.>They have some pride and try to make things on their own.It's not working for them.China's strategy of copying is clearly more successful than Russia's attempt to manifest results through positive thinking and vranyo.
>>64469679are they training to defend it better next time?
>>64468395was the stealthawk even any good?I thought it is a blunder and wasnt used by the US after that raid.I think the PLA already has the right idea with superlight gyrocopters made of composites for infiltration missions.
>>64469996>ignores the post, continues with the scriptThanks for coming out :^)
>>64472655It was described as unstable and mothballed some time before they used them again for the raid.
>>64469679The bugs lack creativity.That’s why they will lose.
>>64469679its obvious that they're testing the stealth properties against the only real world example that the world knows about. do you guys even into engineering?
helicopter insertion is dead anyway. just look what happened to ukraine's tier 1 operators when they tried it. everyone got smoked by russian drones.
>>64469996Based knower.
>>64471667I'm sure he's rotting in hell now. Imagine losing to a peasant slave army with no airforce no navy and no modern ground forces.
>>64473107>everyone got smoked by russian dronesMay we see it?Not the clip where a helo flies right over a drone and the operator just sits there jerking off to the sight of Ukie spec ops about to go murder GRU ziggers.
creaturas fuming
>>64474217https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ol88f8/ru_pov_fpv_drones_strikes_on_ukrainian_special/https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ome5g6/ru_pov_new_additional_footage_of_the_elimination/
>>64468395what part of that is stealthy? also wasn't the stealth chopper idea dropped after the comanche's failure?
>>64471828Honestly if russia isn't doing something, it's probably the right thing to do
>>64474291>trust me bro, these posts of some drone vid are totally proofsYeah, didn't think you could show it.
>>64474408We know who the true VDV girl is.
>>64474400The ones from the Osama raid were ostensibly from a cancelled black project and the only two of their kind, but no real guarantee that was the truth. Comanche iirc was cancelled more for being too expensive for a capability no longer deemed necessary more than for efficiency. Also if memory serves a decade or so ago when this was a much fresher story I believe a publication found some evidence that USAF or SOCOM was spending money on either a fresh look at the concept after they proved useful for the raid, or possibly the program was never actually discontinued just put on the back burner.
>>64474415here's the canadian explaining it. 2 helis confirmed on video with geolocations of the drones taking out the ukrainians.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv4AIkGZxxshttps://t.me/RVvoenkor/102937
>>64474576>Black and white featureless thermals as proofsGrim days for Russoid shills.
>>64469679>>64468395Look China, I'm going to be really honest. I don't think I appreciate these weird courting games. Staring at us from across the room, giggling at us and brushing your hair aside, making a 1-to1 copy of the Osama bin laden raid, it's all sending too many mixed signals and I am done trying to find out what you want. If you want to fuck us just ask
>>64471385It's not for the purpose of summoning americans for spam and candy, it's NOT A CARGO CULT
>>64471690They can literally bribe the kurds or kikes or other shitskinned sandniggers that the US trains for free to get the juicy details, what's the big deal?
>>64474725Seize this quirky chungus lazerpig faggotry at once.
>>64474576>historylegendskek
>>64474976
>>64474576Nice Serbian grifter shill.You're basically confirming that you're full of shit.
>>64474965what juicy details? There's plenty of tactics shit directly from the very same operators online and easily available to any chink with a vpn or with ccp authorization.
>>64468395>two sets of rotorsthat's a Kamov
>>64476325>two sets of rotorsUnless Kamovs also have two tail stabilisers, I think that's just the shadow of the rotors.
>>64468395its not very stealthy, I can still see it
>>64468395Why do they always make the images such poor fucking quality ?Everyone knows that in the 1970s satellites could zoom in on a coin in your hand. Do they make it extra shitting looking on purpose??? I mean the Chinese and Russia must laugh when they see these images knowing the masses are being fed this absolute dogshit goy slop
we should have nuked the pakis for selling that chopper data to the chinks
>>64476813free2play satellites pls be understand
>>64468395>Decapitation attacks against the Taiwanese government.I find it hard to believe the Chinese SOF have the necessary experience and/or personnel to carry out such a successful strike.>>64469996>It was fakeAt least the aftermath of it was. >YEAH WE DUMPED HIS REMAINS IN THE FUCKING SEA AS PER ISLAMIC BURIAL RIGHTS (total fabrication) >YEAH WE HAVE PICTURES OF HIS CORPSE, BUT YOU CANT SEE THEM>ALSO WE DIDNT WANT HIS BURIAL SITE TO BECOME A PILGRIMAGE SITEIt was fucking retarded and just another psy-op, I wonder who they killed if they did it and what they did with those bodies.
>>64476881That's what training is for. Which is why they built the entire Taipei government district in the desert and have been training for almost 10 years.Also, the Taiwanese defenders arent any better in terms of expertise. In fact, I doubt that the very deep blue officer corps of the ROCA even has a lot of loyalty towards the DPP and its leader who was only elected by narrow margin.
>>64476888Yes, as always chinks will train a single mission and no general skills and believe wholly in the fictional scenario they have built where nothing goes wrong.Reality has proven however that it doesnt work and the moment anything in a chink scripted trainin goes off-script they all panic and don’t know what to do anymore.
>>64476996that's like the exact opposite of how they have fought lmao.the PLA's history is one of adaption and being outgunned and having to sneak around and poke for weakpoints.Just because you have a hollywood version of how the Russian army operates doesnt mean that this is how historically the Chinese army has ever operated.Just nowadays they arent the ones being outgunned, especially compared to Taiwan.
>>64476881Osama's body got dumped in the sea because the seals took turns mutilating his corpse on the ride home.
>>64477064gay
>>64469799>>64471651If you steal the answers for the math test and then use them for history class you look like a cheater and an idiot. What is the purpose of studying gwot missions when your potential battles are against Taiwan/US/NATO?
>>64477045>the PLA’s historyIs losing a bunch of wars against itself or just throwing a giant mass of bodies against the problem, which doesn’t work in the modern age.
>>64477755That's more of a ROC tradition but ok, especially with how they relied on force conscription against the Japanese back in WWII or against the PLA during Civil War.PLA is always guerrilla tactics, light infantry infiltration, night fighting, ambushes and shit that would qualify to DRG work nowadays.Their track record considering their bad equipment is actually much better than other armies in the world who had better equipment but lost against much worse equipped and trained armies. Such as the US.
>>64472655>>64472701My understanding they cancelled the program and decided to use the prototypes they had sitting around for the raid because fuck it I guess.
>>64469799>>64471651These are unironically probably Chinese posters.This mentality is a legitimate cope they've *deeply* internalized, and it winds up being massaged into any number of the defenses they offer for the pathological copy-catting.
>>64477764>That's more of a ROC tradition but okdidn't know RoC invaded korean in the 1950s and vietnam in the 1970s
>>64478241If ROC invaded Korea, America would occupy Beijing today lmao. The ROCA is famously inept and corrupt to the core. How else would a 10m men army supplied by the US lose against 3m PLA using Japanese leftovers and be driven off to a little island? Dont come at me with "the PLA was hiding while the ROC fought the Japs" - no they didnt and it also doesnt matter, since the ROCA was outnumbering the PLA when the Civil War began, and was much much better equipped too and literally had the US navy patrolling the Yangtze for them.And in Vietnam, the PLA actually was cursed by their tactics of not fighting like your hollywood soviet hordes all shooting from automatic weapons spray and pray like - the PLA got bloodied because they tried their marksman small unit tactic every soldier only gets semi-auto rifles in a war that has evolved past guerrilla war. They learned from that and in the continuation wars of the 1980s the PLA absolutely wiped the floor with the VPA, which is why China is now controling so many islands close to Vietnam's coast.
>>64478018apparently the Z-20 (brackhawk) is reverse engineered from S70s they had bought prior to Tiananmen
>>64478018this comparisson is kinda meh, since China has like so many different UAVs and planeforms. The X-47B equivalent carrier UCAV actually looks nothing like the X-47B but a more conventional design.And the Y-20 is more a combination of C-17 wings, Antonov-body and IL-76 tail.
>>64478363>ignores chink meatwaves in korea>ignores vietnam successfully ousting chink puppet in cambodia>this is what gutter oil, plastic rice, and CCP CBT does to a chink's mindkek, nice cope posting bugman
>>64469799>>64473100the only 2 posts worth anything in this entire threadt. design engineer
>>64469799Why not just watch Zero Dark Thirty and the all the footage of house-to-house fighting in Ramadi and Fallujah that's still up on Youtube? Seems like a lot of effort for no good reason, desu. At least the Taiwanese presidential palace is applicable.
>>64476881You're probably right, but that won't stop them from trying. After all, I'd bet there are some competent students in their general staff who have studied, in depth, the similar sorts of operations we conducted in Grenada and Panama, along with the famously bloody Russian move at the opening of the Soviet-Afghan War. Even for the ones who haven't drunk the Chink jingoism Kool-Aid, the temptation of what could result if they pull it off will be too great to let the naysayers slow them down (assuming a Communist system like theirs even permits someone to be bold enough to raise doubts in the first place).
>>64479458>Why not just watch Zero Dark Thirty and the all the footage of house-to-house fighting in Ramadi and FallujahThese aren't mutually exclusive things, they can do both.Basing your CQB and counter-terrorism doctrine on a Hollywood movie sounds like a bad idea though, interesting to watch and possibly not without benefit but hardly a training manual.The war footage is absolutely going to be studied but at some point you need to get practical and knowing that the earlier footage informed US tactics in the later raid is useful information and will aid interpretation of the raid's tactics.
>>64479472>assuming a Communist system like theirs even permits someone to be bold enough to raise doubts in the first placeThe PLA has been going through "reform" processes every few years for literally decades now, I don't think it's intended to be continuous iterative improvement (I think it's a combination of reform failures and new guys wanting their own reform projects) but that's what it's working out to be.You're not wrong that Chinese culture doesn't support the kinds of brainstorming "no bad ideas" sessions that we see in the west but there are ways to introduce ideas from below and Chinese are used to it because they went through it in high school etc (well the officers and maybe half the enlisted did) that have heavy emphasis on group projects, both small groups and class-room size.The way they often run is to give a bunch of people individual tasks to propose improvements and have them come back in a fortnight and make a presentation on their idea. There's often a bunch of reasonably clever deputy managers and such who are clearly smart enough to be in the decision making room, junior enough to still be sent to do shit jobs everywhere when needed and not senior enough to have a voice. These are the sorts of people who generate a lot of the ideas in Chinese state run institutions.Generating a good idea gets you on the promotion track so they're pretty well motivated to find and sell a good idea for reform or whatever.Their managers above them use it as a kind of Communist-compatible extended brain-storming program and pick some of the better ideas to implement in the hopes of building career success for themselves, if they do become successful, they'll probably carry the kids who came up with the ideas with them to their new, higher positions.
>>64468395>cheap alibaba copycat of last-gen techNot impressive. -100 social credit
>>64476888>I doubt that the very deep blue officer corps of the ROCA even has a lot of loyalty towards the DPP and its leader who was only elected by narrow margin.Did Ukraine teach you people nothing? An unpopular democratically elected government doesn't translate to support for an external, undemocratic power to overthrow the entire government in any even marginally functional democracy.If someone is already unhappy about the government their countrymen voted for, why would they think the solution is for someone else's countrymen to come replace it with something nobody voted for?
>>64476813>Why do they always make the images such poor fucking qualityTo obfuscate precisely how good they can get when it's a military release, and when it's free from a private company it's usually because they want you to pay up for higher detail imagery.
>>64469996>the bin laden thing was a staged pr stunt on some random ragheadsThis is true, US needed a win so they decided to send a Seal Team to kick in a random compound somewhere in the Islamic Kingpublic of Afpakostaniarabia or some shit but by complete coincidence he happened to be hiding there. Sometimes a blindfolded dart throw hits the bullseye.
>all the anons itt think they built the compound for ground troops
>>64480190>Sometimes a blindfolded dart throw hits the bullseyeStanley Kubrik would be proud.
Why the fuck would the Chinese copy tactics if the context is different? If they were forced to sure that makes sense, have to keep the fat stupid politicians happy. But the Chinese trying to 1:1 the USN reeks of a lack of confidence in figuring out wtf they're supposed to do but go face and hope the yanks lose the nerve before they do.
