2x3 is the most aesthetic. What's your favorite turret layout?
>>64470671Tone, because it's silly
>>644706713x3 or 4x3.
>>64470671>SpeeWWI outside the Trenches was all one giant Indiana Jones movie. Fucking wild shit and barely anyone knows it happened.
Sometimes I have thoughts of stuff like how enemies pronounced each others ships. Like an American saying "Tony" for >>64470720, or a Japanese guy having to try to say "Colorado". Aircraft had code names for simplicity but I don't know if ships did.
>>644706711x4+2x3But I spend most of my time thinking about design concepts that the real world was too cowardly to pursue, like large light cruisers or battle lines formed of fast pseudo-protected cruisers with a single battleship grade gun and a few light guns for destroyers, backed by fairly normalish fast armored cruisers with 8 inch main battery for wrecking destroyers.
>>64470975ever heard of the wargame "trench crusade"? your point is EXACTLY what gets on my tits about it. Oh, its grim dark darkness of dark grimness trenches bullshit ramped up to 11. and its just so fucking shallow.the rest of WW1 is incredible. Alpine warfare in Italy with climbers with ropes and rifles, the whole lawrence of arabia stuff and arab uprising against the Ottoman Turks - Mesopotamia and the likes. you had Spee and his sorties the submarine war, the balkan fronts, the african parts. and some fucking game goes "oh yes, WW1. that's just mud and trenches in europe". its so fucking lazy.
>>64471129I always pronounce Tone like I'm Chris in the Sopranos
>>64471170Yeah, they usually have a hard time making WWI games because they only want to focus on what people know, and people only know the trenches. And the trenches were miserable and not fun at all, you can't make a game out of it no matter how hard you try. The only one that's come close was Battlefield 1 and that's because it's more of a WWI-inspired fever dream than an accurate depiction.Every other theatre of WWI however was a batshit crazy adventure out of a novel, focusing in on any of them would yield some pretty crazy results.
>>64471152Play RtW
>>64471313>BF1I'm still mad that they nerfed the grenade spam. That combined with how fast medics could revive a group made for the best damned microcosm loop of being stuck in a chokepoint exploding over and over again.
>>64470671One.
>>64471170Trench Crusade was made by libtards based entirely on the excellent artwork of a single slav from Artstation. You can't expect these retards to make a compelling setting when they have zero passion for it and don't even seem to like the implications of grimdark. 40k began with Rogue Trader, goofy over the top swashbuckling hijinks are not alien to grimdark. You could have all sorts of crazy stories about a demon possessed Spee running the navies of world a merry chase across the seven seas while doing fucked up shit. Or missionary soldiers trying to stir up a new Christianized Khanate to throw at the demonic hordes, kind of like what happened in the Russian Civil War but not a massive failure. Or just massive trains and landships which are mobile fortresses that transport fuck huge cavalry forces around like the Eastern Front. Crazy riverine wars with inland monitors.
>>64471318I have. RTW is terrible for building anything not pretty normal IRL. For example, doing a 1x heavy gun light cruiser like I describe is only possible by dressing it up as a protected cruiser so the AI will accept it as a valid ship type, and that compromises the design critically by requiring things like (from memory) casemate secondaries.This sort of thing is true in general for any non-vanilla IRL ship concept you'd ever want to try. The admiralty's conservativeness isn't modifiable enough and they're way too strict with ship designs. I can be a successful admiral that's won every battle against all odds with unconventional ideas, only to have every extension of those ideas flatly rejected by them.
9 guns all forward
just seems nicely balanced.this is what USN should get if they, or someone else, really wants "shore bombardment".155mm/6' is the Goldlocks size for reasons, and range of today's 6' would do for WTF shore bombardment is really about, dominating the first few miles inland, and 12 fast firing 6' makes more sense than 9 very slow firing 16".At least an old light cruiser would also be expendable.
>>64471510Why not 203mm/8in?
>>644715196in is man-portable. Less machinery needed to work it. 8in is kind of man portable, but the crew would get tired out quick as fuck so usually ends up using the machinery anyway.
>>64471519because there is only one post war fast firing 8" cruiser, which would be ideal.Never saw action so should be cherry.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines-class_cruiserthey say it could pump out more tons per hour than a battleship, due to fast firing guns.but 155mm is still too big for most targets.
>>64471564Mark 16: 130 lb (59 kg) armor-piercing Mark 35 (super heavy) 105 lb (48 kg) HC (high capacity) Mark 34/39I think 5in (55lb) is the limit where you can manually load the shells realistically, 105lb is too much for prolonged action and 8in (335lb AP/260lb HE) is not possible without some kind of machinery, besides, the 8in got autoloaders late in the war, much faster than manual loading.
>>64471313nah Verdun was really cool, until it emptied out and they added bots to compensate.
>>64471510>155mm/6' is the Goldlocks size for reasonThe reason is man portability for field artillery, mostly.
>Stop wireless or I open fire!
>>644706717x2It's heroically daft and I love it
>>64470671>What's your favorite turret layout?2x4.
>>64470671>What's your favorite turret layout?3x2 AB-Y
>>64471655>for field artilleryIt's still useful for shipboard guns because to this day warships use ammo parties to sustain a high rate of fire
>>64471510>6 feet
>>64470671>What's your favorite turret layout?yes.
>>64471369> made by libtardsOh fuck off with your political bullshit being inserted into every single goddamn thing. No one fucking cares what you think about "libtards"
>>644706715x3 with a Q/R turret, but since that didn't happen 5x2 is the best I can get.Anything under 5 turrets isn't a battleship, and anything under 4 turrets barely qualifies as a battlecruiser.2-A-1 is the most unaesthetic arrangement for main battery guns.
>>64470671A single fixed 300mm rotary cannon on the port side pointed towards the bow. 7x2 800mm carronades on starboard in quick-traversing mounts.
>>64472948luv me neutrality stripes
>>64471510
>look up the book Mimi and Toutou Go ForthHMS Mimi and HMS Toutou were motor launches of the Royal Navy. After undergoing an unusual journey from Britain to Lake Tanganyika in the interior of Africa, the ships played an important role in the African naval struggle between Britain and Germany during World War I. The names mean Meow and Fido in Parisian slang. They had originally been named Dog and Cat by their erstwhile commander, Geoffrey Spicer-Simson, only to have the names rejected by an apparently scandalized Admiralty.It took nearly a month and a half to travel the 100 or more miles from Fungurume to Sankisia, the railhead for a narrow-gauge railway. The terrain in between was mountainous and broken, requiring the construction of 150 bridges over various streams and gorges. The movement was accomplished by the brute force of two steam tractors, dozens of oxen, and hundreds of Africans employed for the expedition. At some points, even this was not enough, and complex winching systems were developed to lever the ships over the more formidable inclines. Even after the railroad was reached, the difficulties continued, as there were still some 500 miles to go. Streams which Spicer-Simson had depended on for navigation turned out to be nearly dry: the ships had to be raised on barrel rafts to float, and even then they had to be portaged dozens of times. Finally, however, the wearied expedition arrived at Lake Tanganyika on 26 October.Mimi and Toutou were finally launched around the end of December, and by 26 December they experienced their first action. The German ship Kingani was sighted, and the allied "fleet" gave chase. In the lead of the formation was Mimi, commanded by Spicer-Simson. After evading the initial German fire, Mimi and Toutou opened fire at noon, eventually puncturing Kingani's hull below the waterline. With water coming in and the commander dead, the German ship struck her colours.
>>64471510The Cleveland class was a step down from the Brooklyn.
>>64470671Wing turrets are my favorite.
>>644706712x2 but en echelon
>>64475068Different angle
>>644706714x3 or 4x2 light cruisers with secondary guns almost as big as the main guns are a vibe
>>64470671Whenever I'm able to make custom ships in games I always go for something that looks like the french quad 380mms in an ab-xyz layout.
>>64477187>ab-xyzAmateur.
>>64471510With extreme extended range munitions 6" sacrifices a lot of of payload to just kinda a be a more expense, less capable Tomahawk.I personally think 200-240mm is more a goldilocks caliber for this purpose. It leaves you with more explosive filler after you've taken up volume with extended range tricks and guidance.With that said, the USMC 75nm requirement is kinda silly.
I want 3x3 16in and I want them all in the front so I can look my enemy in the eye as I sink his shitty ship.
>>64470975>>64471170Feed me amazing happenings from WW1. I'm fine with basic shit I can read up in detail later.
>>64477323Read up on the Battle of Tanga.
Triples over doubles are kino
>>64477202So you don't understand mass nor buoyancy at all.
>>64472074I love these dumbass little secondaries on the back like it was a pre-dread.fr*nch retardation is truely something special and precious in this world.
>>64478939I feel like the Richelieu gun plan entirely reflects how the French want to believe they'll fight, rather than reflects how they will actually fight. Charge in with elan and what will be will be.
>>64470720Do not call my shipfu 'silly'.She has very nice aviation facilities.
