Post some pics of the m14, and pics of the m14 with a bayonet attached.
I have endless images available, just open this link:www.google.com
>>64474872Hot damn, it's the SOGgy bottom boys!
>>64474872This rifle is unjustly hated.
>>64474948>bullpup No, it's a pistol grip just bolted on.
>>64474953You can thank Ian McCollum
>>64475029It was widespread on cable tv shows way before youtube even existed.
>>64474953Better than the FAL.
>>64475035I've been in the milsurp game for over 20 years and I never remember hearing people rail on the M14. Now it's a despised rifle by pretty much everyone but people who've used/own them
>>64475029He's just repeating shit that someone else told him. Given what wasn't said, that person's knowledge (and Ian's by extension) seems to be incomplete.>>64475035Not really. Back in the History Channel days (when they did history shit, not Oak Island bullshit) they'd usually trot out the same one or two boomers discussing why the M14 was absolutely superior to the M16 as a service rifle, showing a learned viewer that they didn't know much about either and had zero firsthand experience.>>64475097Used many, owned one (inasmuch as the M1A can be called a M14, which it is not), and maintained armories full of them at two different duty stations. You'll find that most of those people that claim to have used them didn't, and most of the people that own them and report no problems don't shoot them very much, or are so bad at shooting them/shoot them at such short ranges that they don't notice anything funny about their zeros. It was great by WWII standards, it was adequate by early Cold War standards, it was kind of shit by Vietnam standards, and it's dogshit by today's standards.>unless ebr, in which case it's back to being adequate, but at the cost of being way too heavy and expensive for what it does
>Post some pics of the m14, and pics of the m14 with a bayonet attached.How about I do you one better.
>>64475093It's funny how the FAL gets dickrode, but the only country to use it in serious warfare (Israel) replaced it as soon as was feasible with the Galil. >Ian fanbois>no the open receiver of the M1/AK/M14/Galil means it would fail in dirty environments!>the M16 is superior because it's sealed!>real lifeIan and his fanbois are the equivalent of that one special ed kid who believes he can beat everyone's ass because he watches Kung Fu movies all day, and the moment he gets into a real fist fight he gets his face broken in one punch and shits his pants.
>>64475149Nice.
>>64475213Falklands and Cold War Africa like Angola or Rhodesia
>>64475227I said serious war, not shooting chimpanzees who picked up a AK.
>>64475239Why are you even on /k/? Angola had Cuban armored divisions, and both sides used FALs in the Falklands.
>>64475239so then why would you count isreals wars?The truth is, the m14, fal, and pretty much all western guns were only ever used against third worlders (or "second worlders" at best) because westerners were above fighting each other at that point
i think the m14/m1a is cool, but not $2.5k+ cool. i got a mini14, and it's ok to shoot, but i don't think it'd be much more fun to shoot an m1a. if i want to shoot a cool wooden gun, i'd rather shoot my m1 garand.
>>64475213I always thought it was odd how hard most countries dumped the FAL once they adopted something else. A lot of M14s and G3s got packed away when they were phased out but most FALs went straight to the scrap heap. That's why parts kits were so abundant and cheap once.
>>64475213Like I said earlier, he's just repeating shit that he heard from someone else, and that someone else didn't have firsthand experience either. The M14 receiver is not really a problem. It's almost everything else that's a problem, besides the magazines (although they're heavy as fuck), the stock (once they started making them out of plastic), the sling (again, once they started making them out of plastic), and the combination tool, which should serve as an example for all other combination tools to aspire to.>>64475606The US did the same. Over half were scrapped, and a good chunk of the remaining ones went off to other countries. It's not like the US was sitting on millions (or even hundreds of thousands) of these things when GWOT took off. The Navy had most of the remaining ones by that point and that's probably because the price was right and they were fine for throwing shotlines, which is faintly damning praise for something that was supposed to be a service rifle. The only reason that the EBR thing was even possible is because those last M14's kicking around couldn't be disposed of through the DCM, and none of our allies wanted them for free. Had the ATF been a bit more lenient, the only ones left in 2001 would have been M21's and a few spares for cannibalization, and the ones in Estonia and Asia of course.Had the US been stuck with budgets like most FAL users were, there would have been none left after the fall of the USSR. The Peace Dividend forced countries with modest budgets to divest themselves of their old shit. That's what got us the Golden Age of Milsurp, for those of us alive and old enough to remember it.
>>64475247>only war won was against itself Not a good look.>>64475279Because they were relatively peer armies using air, artillery, and armored divisions while the other cases was just pest control.
>>64475785>m14 toolWut.>look it upHoly fuck you're not lying, that's fucking neat as fuck I would have MURDERED for a tool like that for the M249.
God, I wish a proper M14 wasn't banned in my state. They're gorgeous looking rifles.
Luv me M14, by far the most SOVLFVL rifle from the Cold War in spite of it's flaws.
>>64478938pretty stock, there
>>64475977All of those opinions on the M14 that you've heard, pro or con, and I'm the first one that told you about the combination tool. None of those other folks mentioned it, and I'm sure that some of them claimed to be real experts. I wonder what else they didn't know enough about to mention. Sometimes I wonder if they're actually as experienced as they usually claim to be. But what do I know?The M14 community is perhaps the most fraudulent section of the firearms hobby. I'm not aware of any other weapon that has so many nutriders around it that clearly don't know what they're talking about, or so many "expert" bullshitters that will lecture about it at length without knowing some very basic things about it that would be basic knowledge to someone that had actually used one in the field. I'm at a loss to explain why the M14 draws this sort of person to it, although I have some theories. But what do I know? It's possible that the few hundred that I crossed paths with were just uncommonly bad right out of the packing grease. Or I might just be a jeet with a new phone having fun with ChatGPT. You'll never know that, but you'll know about the combi-tool at least, which is more than a lot of the so-called experts seem to know.
I remember Fred's goofy ass columns from way back talking about REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS with M14s outranging cowardly 3rd world UN Blue Helmets armed with AKs and making them cower in their BMPs with a hail of 7.62 NATO. I wish they were archived somewhere.
>>64474953>slightly better than a garand >adoption involved lying about using the same tooling as the garand >forced nato to adopt .308 when intermediate was the new hotness
>>64480749Good, I hate NATO
>>64475093In what way?
>>64475213Fun fact, more G3s and FALs see military action than M14s.
I love the M14, it's the rifle I shoot best with, I think its a combination of its sights, balance and trigger. >>64475029>>64475035I think the issue was that it was kind of overrated, and then a lot of unjust hate came in more recent years when it became apparent that the M14 and it's derivatives didn't stack up too well against modern ARs and other rifles. Also, you have people like these retards who cannot figure out how to use the iron sights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U11URice_cM&t=184s>>64475213My favorite part about the M14 vs FAL criticism is that they cite the M14 being heavy and long, when it's slightly shorter and lighter than the FAL, at least the T48 that was evaluated. >>64475313M1As are getting pretty cheap, I think they've gone down in price since interest in them has weaned. I got this national match for 1700 just a couple weeks ago, it came with 8 checkmate magazines too. A LGS had a loaded and tanker model for ~2200 which is high. >>64480749>forced nato to adopt .308Based, show those eurotwinks what a real man's cartridge is. >>64480948>G3The best of the big three IMO.
>>64480976>G3>The best of the big three IMOit is but nobody wants to admit it
>>64474872I know it’s bad especially for what I want it for, but to me no rifle in existence is sexier than a m21 with wooden fittings Should I bubba a bm59 to make a better m21 kind of rifle?Any of you have recommendations on similar styles of rifles?Somewhat related but I’ve read in praying for slack that some snipers used to keep ammo under their armpit to keep them at a somewhat constant temperature.Is there any validity or upsides to this or it’s simply grunt belief?
>>64484547New fuddlore just dropped
>>64483874I love them all, but yeah the G3 has the simplest design, the least amount of shit that can fail, is actually pretty modular and easiest to accurize.>>64484547Just build an M21 from an NM M1A. I had a BM59, BM59s sound great until you realize magazines are like 60 bucks. I think bedding the BM59 and installing a good scope mount will give you issues. I squeeze out 1 MOA groups and I'm a pretty middling shot.
>>64484687nicely done anonYes they're all rifles we can appreciate in different ways
