>>64474931just wait a few years
>>64474931soon there won't be any russian tanks left to fight, sadly.
>>64474960Wouldn't they smuggle Type 59 tanks from China by then?
>>64476647This or North Korean Chomna-Hos.>>64474931>tank battles >in 2025+We’ve had about two years to get some leopard or Abrams Action against Russian tanks and nothing came out yet. Drone fucking shits ruined armored warfare.
>>64474931Both sides don’t have working tanks.
>>64476735>le neutral pooosterfuck off saar
>>64476647That would get caught attention real quick and this do more harm on Russia reputation on their weapon industry which took them decades to build. Also no one in Russia actually know Chinese to translate everything on their tank.
>>64476759Germany needs at least five more years before it can fight any wars.
>>64477194>reputationAlready down the drain. >which took them decades to buildMore like which they let decade for decades. They haven't done shit to modernize their tank production since the 90s and let certain tank plants go bankrupt.>Also no one in Russia actually know ChineseIt's a T-55 with Chinese characteristics. The Iraqis didn't know Chinese either and they figured it out.
>>64477219Iraqis have at least 6000 years of civilization given or taken, they are cultured. Russians are animals.
There's quite a few, but not tank on tank action I don't think.https://funker530.com/video/six-minutes-of-russian-tanker-pov
>>64477194>do more harm on Russia reputationI don't know if this matters to a country running critically low on military equipment>Also no one in Russia actually know Chinese to translate everything on their tank.You're kidding right? Not only can the Chinese repurpose them specifically for Russian use, they can fart out a gorrillion Type 59s per month
>>64477335>they can fart out a gorrillion Type 59s per monthI actualyl doubt it. They haven't built a single new one in decades, what with the Type 96 and 99 around.
>>64476656we did get some, but it's all from observer drones unfortunately. wonder if anyone's ever tried to see if they could FOIA something like gunner footage from desert storm or OIF...
>>64474960We're honestly already there. Russia doesn't seem to have any significant number of fully functional MBTs left.>>64477356Yeah, the reality is that true MBT-on-MBT engagements nowadays happen at ranges that make POV footage impractical. The only close range MBT engagement I can think of is the Bradley vs T-90, where neither crew expected the engagement. And even that is still drone footage. Bradley won btwAlso I recall an early war engagement of two MBTs coming up on each other at very close range in a wooded area. Russian tank won that one by being the first to fire
>>64477386I got one more (although the russian tank is already smoking before it eats the ukrainian tank shell, suggesting that it was already unmaneuverable/ mobility killed at that point, so maybe the ukrainians had plenty of time to aim)
The Russkies would get shitstomped at ranges where POV footage would be useless
>>64477356There's first person footage, filmed from the open commander's hatch, of a Ukrainian T-72 variant (captured) blasting the fuck out of a zigger BMP variant of some kind at extremely close range.That's the closest thing to tank-on-tank POV footage I've seen from this war.
>>64474931Russia is in no postition to fight the EU, NATO or Germany all of which have vastly larger economies and more capable and modern militaries. All Rusisa can do is continue trying to incite mass immigfration into Europe and spam shit on /pol/ for their quislings career support and even that's in doubt in the comming year since their futue is going full mud and potato medieval stalin lada and Europes eyes turn on shit like Hindu India and Iran that supported Russia in killing Europeans.
>>64477434>White womene and bbc>>64477452>Europes eyes turn on shit like Hindu India and Iran that supported Russia in killing Europeans.
>>64474931Russia doesn't even have many tanks left.
>>64477458Oh they do, my my estimate roughly 2000 hulks and and 600-800 or so mainly obsolete but running models with defects, the best of it is about 100 T80s. None of it is a match for armour in European arsenals or a German panzer regiment.
>>64477420I have one of a Russian armored column being engaged by a Leopard 1
>>64474950Leopard 2A10 vs T-32 Obr 2027
Russia can't even achieve its objectives in Ukraine or supply Venzuela let alone take on a modern nation like Germany who's economy even in recession is bigger than all of Indias. That's right 84 million Germans are more productive than 1440000 million brown idolater kremlin cheerleaders collected together and labeled a place by bored 19th century English tourists and hooligans because they liked tea
>>64477819>That's right 84 million Germans are more productive than 1440000 million brown idolater kremlin cheerleadersDo you think this would still be the case 100 years from now?
>>64477594Is this actually true? A Leopard 1 fucked up a whole Russian column?
>>64477319You have never met one.
>>64476656>This or North Korean Chomna-Hos.Neck yourself nork shill
>>64478325I have never said that said culture was good, the just have it scattered around the big desert shits have died over for centuries. And I've me two that were cool enough, though highly assimilated.
>>64477445that's not this one right?
>>64479049No it's newer, like 3 weeks old. Don't have it on hand but it's a ukranian tank driving through basically silent hill (ragged road, grey skies, shredded trees on both sides of the road, foggy as fuck) and as it drives down a corner on the road a BMD is in front of it which it empties 2-3 shells into before mowing down the "forest" with the coax.
>>64478269no. india will be a nuked out wasteland by then.
>>64474931Lemme tell you one thing: BRING. IT. ON.>My Grandpa rode Panzer IVs from 1940 until early 1945 when an american Fighter Bomber blasted him out of his hatch into the arms of a US medic and then a prisoner camp.>My dad was in a battalion that were amongst the first to receive the Leopard 2>About 20 years later I had the great honor to serve in the very same Battalion for almost four years, most of the times as a gunner, becoming a TC at the very ass end of my career. >Been binging every bit of tank warfare since February 2022>Shed manly tears when Europe decided to send Leos to UkraineI might be over 40 now but you can be double dang sure that I'd hop in that commander's or gunner's seat in a fucking heartbeat if we were to fight the russians. If you count in two or three of my great-grandpa's it's our family tradition to kill russoids. Gimme my tanker coveralls. Gimme my "We brake for no one" sticker. Gimme my Hensoldt binoculars and put me back into the hatch so I can check the battlefield for enemy movement.
>>64478284Yep>>64477594I'm this guy here >>64480241Being the TC or gunner of that Leo 1 in that situation would be the absolute peak of my entire life. I am become fucking death motherfuckers. I could die in peace afterwards. Fuck, /k/, that's just about as glorious and honorable as it gets. You and your three boys in your armored coffin engaging and fucking up an entire enemy column with accurate main gun fire. >Ziel erkannt, Entfernung zirka 1200 Meter, Richten steht.>Wuchtmunition laden!>WUCHTMUNITION IST GELADEN!>Richten auf Ziel!>Auf Ziel gerichtet, Schuss frei auf Ihr Zeichen!>Feuer>FEUER>BOOOOOOOOOOOM>KLA-KLONK>Treffer, Feindpanzer brennt
>>64474960if what usa say is correct that they are manufacturing 200 to 230 per month and given how we havent seen a single mbt in action for over a year now its safe to say that those tanks are waiting for something 1)either a big push is coming with limited air support2)they just gave up on pushing with mbt's and they are just manufacturing a stockpile as a buffer
>>64480248Interesting seeing all these little differences.Calling it Wuchtmunition instead of KE or saying FEUER instead of ACHTUNG.The>KLA-KLONKfor when the bolt tries to squish the loader was pretty spot on though
>>64480256You keep pushing this narrative. I don't understand your logic.>well they're disappearing from the stockpile and their alleged refurbishment rate exceeds their appearance at the frontWe'll start with the obvious, ALLEGED refurbishment rate. Russia has so far lied about every single production rate they've talked about. Secondly, they're taking increasingly decrepit, poorly stored, cannibalized, and outright stolen from hulks and doing whatever they can to return them to service. This most likely includes turning four or five hulks into one usable tank depending on how trashed they are. Third, we've seen constant video evidence of armor being thrown in piecemeal multiple times a week for months now. If you're building a "strategic reserve" you don't take shit straight from the factory and toss it randomly at a basically frozen front.And let's, for the sake of argument, assume I'm 100% incorrect. What happens when they send an armored column to Pokrovsk? When the Ukranians release their stock of anti-tank weapons against it? Even assuming they manage to capture Pokrovsk what next? They couldn't make their armored fists work in 2022 when they had complete superiority in every capacity: AFVs, artillery, transport, professional soldiers. They now have everything Ukraine has been holding onto directed at these tanks which represent many months if not years of refurbishment. They now lack the logistics train to supply them. They lack the air forces to cover them. They lack the artillery to support them. Even if they did capture the sixth dimensional hyperfortress Ukraine just falls back to the twin cities behind them and russia spends another couple years trying to grind them down only now they've lost another several hundred to a thousand irreplacable tanks while digging deeper into the rust heap.There is no reserve that will be used. Russia is scraping the barrel for any form of armor.
>>64480850>You keep pushing this narrative. I don't understand your logic.>youwho is you?>We'll start with the obvious, ALLEGED refurbishment rate. Russia has so far lied about every single production rate they've talked aboutrussia hasnt talked about their manufacturing capacity at all on this war everything i said is sourced from usa >they're taking increasingly decrepit, poorly stored, cannibalized, and outright stolen from hulks and doing whatever they can to return them to service.ah so nobody knows their fatebut somehow you dogot it>This most likely includes turning four or five hulks into one usable tank depending on how trashed they are. Third, we've seen constant video evidence of armor being thrown in piecemeal multiple times a week for months now.nope >If you're building a "strategic reserve" you don't take shit straight from the factory and toss it randomly at a basically frozen front.ah now its a frozen front rightnext time try at least to sound logical
>>64481006>next time try at least to sound logicalNta, but the irony...
>>64477594BTW, why is the entire board spammed with some random explosion?
>>64481266The explosion is Toropets. As to why it's being spammed...1) No idea2) Zig/zig shill false-flagging to try to get the footage autobanned so people can't post it anymore3) Bot run amok4) Schizo run amok5) Schizo bot run amok6) ???
>>644815147) All of the above.
>>64480794To be fair, in reality we just called it Wucht since it's shorter.>Sommernacht>Unterm Panzer pennen>EPA im Bauch>Irgendwer hat kleine Flaschen Pennerglück von der Supermarktkasse am Start.>Deine Mudda WitzeMann war das ne Zeit.
>>64481266It’s a lone schizo and he’s ruining his relationships in other online spaces with the obsession. He had posted a thread on /an/ this morning apologizing to the people who had nominated him as a discord mod in some discord last year because his crashout about Toropetz had affected him so much that he got banned from the discord server he was on the modstaff of.>>>/an/5068492
>>64480850> What happens when they send an armored column to PokrovskWhat would be the purpose in the Russians sending an armored column to a city that is already 90+% captured by them? > They couldn't make their armored fists work in 2022 when they had complete superiority in every capacity: AFVs, artillery, transport, professional soldiersFor most of 2022 the number of Russian troops in the Ukraine was outnumbered at least 1:3 or 1:4 by the AFU, now after 3.5 years the ratio has flipped in the other direction.
>>64481679never slept under a tank, because of wild hogs or because the tank might sink in if the ground was too soft. I've never seen a tank sink in that much, but I also did not want to take the risk. Favourite spot was on the 2 ring coolers on top of the engine hood, second best spot was on top of the turret. Turret at 6 o'clock, canon up and then building a giant tent with the tank tarpaulin. Great even during winter. This fat V12 keeps you warm for hours, even after it was turned off.
>>64477594So, not a jobber after all?
>>64478269Nop, it's going to be an EVROPEAN JVNTA channeling the last ambers of Faustian Spirit to crush decaying Global South upstarts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlM4eZw6268*Verification not required.
>>64480256Show us where the USA says they are making 230 tanks a month. Did the very ground of the United States open up and tell you "Psst, Russia's making 230 brand new tanks out of nothing a month!"
>>64481006You are you, and the rest of us aren't amused, Your narrative is that Russia is holding back the "Real Russian Army" that will show up one day and effortlessly crush Ukraine and Russia is simply throwing units piecemeal into Ukraine for fun.
>>64480256they're fucking out of armor dude.
>>64479049Great video
>>64481266It's not the toropets schizo from a few days ago, he's calmed down from his manic phase and is probably wallowing in the nadir of a depressive episode right about nowThe other day some redditor got laughed out of a thread because he was extraordinarily booty bothered about his physiognomy, and he's spent over a day languidly spamming that ebin indian clapback about poop and the toropets explosion because he's literally retarded and that was his only comeback to some anon pointing and laughing at him Nelson styleIt started here https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64472596/#q64479131Observe his other episodes of passive aggressive faggotry by searching for some of his favourite fileshttps://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/TIbyXkj1AOUQ9k4K7z7ivg/https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/SfLz4GJPODYZ0kDv8MzIUw/https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/-W4rwTHYvy0MgODTwYaRIQ/
>>64474960>>64477386 imagine being the vatnik union. pumping out hardware for 50+ years with big dreams about conquering whole of europe. Only for in reality all of that metal to get trashed trying to grind out Donbawe. Even then its barely enough to get to the half way point of the administrative borders
>>64477452that will be seen when they attack the baltic states. Which ziggers will do specifically to test nato and eu. >NATO is not a uniform monolith. Reactions to it will be all over the place from state to state>history has demonstrated big western countries only get serious about conventional war if they themselves are directly attacked
>>64483504not him but the figure was 100-150https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/07/11/the-scale-of-russia-s-rearmament-has-nato-worried_6681537_4.html>>64483512only retards aka /k/ users still push the narrative that russia wants whole of ukraineeven someone with basic understand of warfare understands that the rest of ukraine wont offer anything to russia even if they capture it by definition they have already won so long they keep the areas like why you even think that putin says he is happy if he keeps 2 oblasts only? we can go 12 rounds here and in the end you will still be wrong if russia starts exporting those minerals (i mean all of them in their possession now) the deposits are worth close to 8 trillion usd so at least try to understand why wars start in the end
>>64483962>by definition they have already wonwhen you make up your own definition of winning, then yes, you can always declare victoryhowever, when we listen to what pypa himself said as he announced the SMO, its not about gaining territory, its about denazification, demilitarization, stopping the expansion of HATO, protecting donbabwe and a bunch of other vague nonsense
>>64483989no shit anon leaders try to sell a bunch of bullshit before an invasion?like raping babies?or wmds?or gaddafi genocide?or syria chemical attacks?or helping the nazis while also helping the others?yeah....
>>64484074ah yes, lets completely discount the reason that putin stated for the invasion and instead take *your* armchair general analysissuch as LE RESOURCE extraction, now completely disregarding the fact that russia doesnt really have a shortage of resources in the rather small landmass known the russian federation, the idea that a completely destroyed area, with cities reduced to rubble, all infrastructure completely destroyed, with probably millions of UXO scattered everywhere is just ripe for resource exploration (assuming russia even has the technology for that lmao) is completely retardedask yourself one thing, russia occupied about half of the territory they occupy now since 2014, what resource extraction exactly did they establish there? nothing except already present gas/oil/coal industries, because that is about everything that russia is at least somewhat technologically capable of doingyou are a COMPLETE retard, and most likely brown
>>64484100ok i will ask you a very simple question hell you can use even chatgpt since i bet your history knowledge is lacking dangerously name a single war that started for anything else than resources you can even go back to the first superpower of this planet the ancient athens you aint gonna find a single one
>>64484120>not addressing a single point i made>immediately jumping into pilpuli shouldnt even engage with this amount of retardation, but essentially the entirety of pre-modern history was about territorial and religious expansion, which of course youre going to say is LE RESOURCES, just proving that there is no point debating a jewish nigger like you, youre always going to make up arbitrary definitions to fit into your current argument
>>64484144ah so basicly you cant refute me got it
>>64484120WW2 started because Hitler wanted to rebuild le Germanic imperium and exterminate his ideological and racial enemies. Are you going to say it was actually over titanium?The only way you can think this is if youre retarded or a troll but I'm just going to put this out here since I have the time - wars have started over muh honor, Muhammad religion, etc. Etc. All throughout history, mor3 then they have for 'resources'. Even right now we have a war in Palestine because of religion and a war in Sudan over the RSF just being really racist and wanting a Arab homeland in a majority African region. Neither is over resources.
>>64484173why did he attacked poland?was it to expand the landorTO GET THE FUCKING IRON?
>>64484183if you actually believe that then you're retarded, if you are a shill you deserve like 3 rupees because it should at least be a little believable. Go back to concern trolling.
>>64484120the French and American revolutionary wars, the russian and American civil wars, the second Shleswig war and the other wars of German unification, the Italian wars of unification, the Carlist and other civil wars in Spain, ect. ect.>>64484183you mean the iron Germany would have no need of without a war? the iron that was nearly all in the soviet occupied area? you mean the iron that Germany was several times more production of and the iron they are just buying from Sweden?
>>64484217holy fuckwhats next anon? you gonna say that he invaded france to expand the imperium and not because it was already a powerhouse and they turned france for about 9 months of the war as their manufacturing hub outputing almost twice the armor that germany was at the time?fucking revisionist scums
>>64476735*Neither side has working tanks
>>64484217let me guess you also believe that germany started the war and it wasnt a direct consequence of the britbong applying the same policies from india to germany essentially causing a famine between world wars that gave rise to hitler right?
>>64484120Not that Anon but Winter war?
>>64484264look what lead to it and look that this led to in general and ask afterwads >was it worth it ?if you are >>64484217this retard he probably gonna say something like>noooooo he never went in to get their resources in exchange for protection in the form of slavery but in reality at least finland didnt deserve it but sweden were all down to cozy up with the nazis well before this
>>64484120this is your brain on /pol/rot
>>64484345>look what lead to itstalin making pacts with hitler to start the war together and then coming up with a slew of excuses to "establish" finland SSR puppet government?
>>64478865I'm not Nork shill.Russians already buy shells, missiles, MLRS, artillery and soldiers from North Korea. If they ever run into a deficit of tanks they'll also buy shit from the Gooks. Simple as.
>>64483917>history has demonstrated big western countries only get serious about conventional war if they themselves are directly attackedMaybe if you're an illiterate fucking retard. The UK entered world war 1 because Belgium was attacked. Russia entered because Serbia was attacked. Germany entered because the Russians mobilized. France entered because they were allied to Russia. World war 2 starte over fucking Poland. Crimean war started over Russia enroaching on the Black sea/Balkans, etc.
>>64483962>ziggers can't differentiate between manufacturing something and refurbishing something>ziggers pretend they never wanted Kherson or Zaporizhiahilarious>ziggers pretend they already wonTwo more weeks.
>>64484120The falklands war was used as a means of keeping the junta in argentina in power instead of getting what meager resources the falklands had at the time. As a result of the argentinians losing the war the junta was ousted.If only /pol/tards could read...
>>64484374nice try but you forgot that this happened exactly because the nazis told them that sweden was cozying up to them which led to the biggest clusterfuck for both sides>>64484390>zigger this >zigger thatits amazing how you remember the events as you so think it suits youthe city of kherson offers literally zero value to them they were pushing to capture mykolaiv to control both the northeast and southwest logistic corridor >>64484401while the strategic importance of the falklands was great however i suggest you open a mineral map of the islandsand then once you get your sorry mouth to shut up learn what they discovered between 1978 and 1980was it native britbongs?was it americans?was it nigerian princes?OR FUCKING OIL AND GAS?
>>64484120Didn't some latin countries go to war because a football game?
>>64484611At some point you'll have to face the fact that people keep calling you retarded because you are retarded.
>>64479049>pidors, pidors!>POM POM POM POM POM POM POM fucking kino video
>>64484649chile went to war to get a piece of bolivias coast(totally not because of the phosphates which at the time were more valuable than gold)>>64484651at some you can refute me with evidence but we all know you cant because my point still stands
>>64484667You have no point because you're a fucking retard.
>>64480241>>64480248>autistic Germans are already getting all psyched up againYou motherfuckers don't even need some Austrian telling you what to do, you get all amped up on your own.
>>64484670awwwwits ok little uneducated bro one day you gonna be able to think critically
>>64484773Does it hurt when everyone calls you retarded and this is how you cope?
resources guy is just here to trollit's the same guy that used to do the "no one won without more artillery/cavalry" treads on /his/
