rate his getup
Chainmail with a tabard. Nothing wrong with it, perfectly acceptable for a hermit tracker who is secretly a deposed king with Atlantean genetics.
>spends his days smoking a pipe in flyover town bar while everyone politely ignores how weird he islarper
>>64497120Tell me you wouldn't do the same given the chance
I thought chainmail was supposed to worn on the outside?
>>64497400It became very common to wear something like a surcoat to protect it from bloodsplatter or the elements to provent rusting, beforehand people wore cloaks for similar reasons until it was battletime
>>64497515Basically went from that to this in 1,000 years or so
>>64497400the tabard is /fa/. can be repaired, stitched together or unstitched as needed. even the damage gives it a certain je ne sais quoi.it is the veneer. it MUST go on the outside, the same way our skin coats our bones.
The issue I have is that chainmail is not sophisticated armor. It was used because Jackson wanted a certain look. It's no cheaper than plate. With a surcoat you don't even need a particularly good breast plate either. Jackson could've also given Aragorn a crowned helm that still showed plenty of his face. But Jackson didn't want to do any of this. I give the Lord of The Rings 3/5 for these reasons. Also for Aragorn's style of fighting he should've used a pole hammer or a poleaxe. https://www.arms-n-armor.com/products/italian-pole-hammerImagine a properly kitted Aragorn with a poleaxe. I cry everytime over it.
4/10. Why isn't he wearing buckskins? Where is his long rifle? His revolvers? His bowie knife? Terrible ranger.
>>64497620i'm a manbaby who only vaguely remembers reading Lord of the Rings as a teenager, but i've read The Hobbit once every few years.it's a deliberate mixture of different real-world periods. pockets on clothes, post offices, but nobody ever fires a musket. fine. there was never any pretence that "they have the same level of technology as 14th-century England" or something.THAT SAID, don't the characters usually have maille rather than a suit of armour? what little i've read about medieval knights always makes it sound like a pure nightmare. their year's worth of wages put towards a custom-built metal shell. not exactly something you COULD outfit an army with. let alone find in a dungeon chest and think, "wow great, time to stick this on."
>>64497080> Large bracers but no hand protection.> No helmet, no coif.It's retarded.The people who designed this costume never fought with any kind of melee weapon in their entire lives.The FIRST places you want to armor, especially if you're not using a shield, are your head and hands. Body protection is less important. Even poor fucking infantry wouldn't be caught dead without a helmet.
>>64497728He's an adventuring ranger, not a man at arms or a knight. He needs to be light on his feet and stealthy
>>64497728>The people who designed this costume never fought with any kind of melee weapon in their entire lives.lol. not that it should come to that, but the actual costume department don't seem to have the same type of autism as everyone else, when you watch the documentaries. at least, when it comes to clothing/textiles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdaYOovyneI>it's not black it's licorice greenFUCK YOU MAKE IT GREEN reeeee
>>64497728Aside from the lack of helmet, it seems pretty comparable to >>64497515
>>64497620>Imagine a properly kitted Aragorn with a poleaxe.Why?
>>64497821Anybody who fights with a melee weapon needs some kind of helmet. This goes back to the Ancient Sumerians.Even if you don't expect melee combat, a helmet is a good idea. 17th century musketeers wore "secret" helmets underneath their caps, like the old version of le hecking high cut ops-core. Wearing a chainmail hauberk but zero head/neck protection is retarded and, historically, impossible to justify. Fighting with a sword like that with zero hand protection is retarded, and it's basically the mark of a noob. Everybody who actually trains/spars knows how easy it is to get hit in the hands.
>>64497987>Anybody who fights with a melee weapon needs some kind of helmetNo they don't, in fact most people didn't until the late middle ages.
>>64497080At least he wears pants in this one.
ITT:>REEE WHY ISN'T THE HYPERBOREAN UBERMENSCH MAIN CHARACTER IN A FANTASY STORY DRESSED LIKE PIC RELATED?? UNACCEPTABLE
>>64497993Nigga picrel is like 5000 years old.
>>64497400Layering like what we see with Aragorn seems to have been pretty common in the middle ages. Here you can see a dude in basically the same outfit, with a short-sleeved mail shirt over his long-sleeved cloth shirt, and then a tabard/surcoat overtop of the mail.The only real problem from a historical standpoint with Aragorn's kit is that he's got no protection for his head and neck, though I get that this is probably just a movie thing so the audience can keep track of who he is in the battle scenes.
>>644976201. Steel plate of any kind is extremely rare to nonexistent in the books, and not used in the region that gave Aragorn his armor in the movie. Even in the films where plate is more common it's used exclusively in Gondor and no suits of full plate exist.2. You're a polefag and nothing you say matters. Not only that but a polearm would be a fucking terrible choice for Aragorn.
>>64497728You've never hiked more than a mile in your life.
>>64498057>well organized and well funded armyMeanwhile everywhere else the vast majority of people were helmetless, swordless, sometimes shieldless and NAKED. Aragorn isnt a SOLDIER, he's a glorified border guard/park ranger on a long distance journey that requires stealth and speed, prioritizing his torso and not weighing himself down with more metal is completely acceptable. You could make the case he should be wearing a helmet during the battle of helm's deep or during the final battle outside Mordor but otherwise he's constantly on the move and most likely penniless.
>>64498155he was a noble , a ranger commander and has been growing up with elvish craftsmen.
>loots his dead companions bracers>ditches his useful bow>no shield>no helmet>no gauntlets>no pouches or bags to carry anything1/10
>>64498298>he wad a nobleWas
>>64497080>>64497084The guys are right, if he gets a mail shirt, he might as well get a helmet. Chain gloves too. Those leather bracers are kinda useless at this point - he's not shooting bows. Longsword is a good choice though it might get in the way for a ranger lifestyle - then again, they probably get into melee a lot and cannot afford poor melee weapons.>>64497088I don't know what those clothes are made of, but it's not wool as would be suitable for the wilderness. He appears to be carrying a blanket, a bow and possibly a small pack, which might just barely be sufficient for a ranger. Not in the winter though.
https://youtu.be/AKwwHPV9IyA
>>64498097>>64497728Hollywood obviously hates closed helmets.Faceless effect of helmets is very prominent. I remember i went play paintball with buddies. We got into rented masks and camos, and we suddenly realized you cant understand who is who at all, even mixing with outsiders of our groupThere is reason coat of arms existed it was plastered everywhere and clothes main colors were coat of arms color.
>>64497702Only dirty orc niggers use something a rugose as guns. Not the pure aryan ideal of hobbits and Gondor.
>>64497080This is the ideal armored body.You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
>>64497702I imagine the hobbits as having extremely productive agriculture for some reason and obviously no military expense, but very basic early medieval level tech otherwise. So it makes sense they can afford some social sophistication, as opposed to, say, the rohirrim, who have the same tech level but less surplus food and wealth.
>>64498117Also: Even Boromir, who hailed from Gondor and explicitly wore plate, still wore a similar getup when traveling with the Fellowship, for more or less the same reasons as Aragorn (need to travel light/quick/quiet and avoid combat).
>>6449708010/10 fucks elf fems.
>>64497728>no hand protection>posts soldiers with no hand protection
>>64497620In the words of Bernard Cornwell:>He used a sword because a sword is the weapon of a King.And no you WILL want plate when the enemy is using steel bodkin arrows.>>64497702>what little i've read about medieval knights always makes it sound like a pure nightmare.It's worse being a peasant, you make do with leather and mail and pray the enemy bowmen don't have you in their sights>their year's worth of wages put towards a custom-built metal shell.Sort of>not exactly something you COULD outfit an army with.Yes, which is why it took a lot of resources to kit out a medieval army, and the quality of medieval plate varied greatly.>let alone find in a dungeon chest and think, "wow great, time to stick this on."You loot the dead to sell or trade, because you won't always find your enemy is the right size fit for you.>>64497400For poorfags, yes, but with a surcoat over it for identification and mud protectionFor richfags you wear plate over mail>>64500995Hobbits are explicitly full-on noguns peacenik farmers in the books, with no army and barely any police.That's part of the LOTR theme, specially the back chapter which the movies left out, of them realising that their idyllic peacenik life is no longer possible and the powers that used to protect them, i.e. the Elves, will now leave, and they're on their own now.I can't remember if it's Gandalf or Aragorn himself who said in the first book that Aragorn and his Rangers protect the Shire from Sauron's forces
>>64501225>them realising that their idyllic peacenik life is no longer possible and the powers that used to protect them, i.e. the Elves, will now leave, and they're on their own now.You totally misunderstood that. Their lifestyle is exactly what they will continue living, because the orcs are gone and the king is returning. The issue with the ruffians is just temporary. The chronology in the books goes quite a bit further and it's clear there will be no more battles in the shire.
>>64501295LOTR is about the last of the Elves and the Numenoreans and the Hobbits. Of course the book ends HEA but eventually after all that, Man takes over and this is unequivocally a bad thing in Middle Earth history.
>>64501320That's far future though, a foregone conclusion because tolkien imagined middle earth to be an earlier form of our world and we don't have hobbits. In universe, everyone is upbeat about the future and the hobbits thrive as far as the cchronology goes, even expanding the shire.
>>64497080I fucking hate Peter Jackson for making the books mainstream. I also fucking hate each and every one of his design choices and artistic compromises.LoTR isn't meant for faggots who basedpog over the CGI Balrog for over 20 years or mouthbreathers who try to convince everyone that orcs are actually black people.Since orcs are actually useful.That being said, Vigo is a top guy, and the gear - while I fucking hate it - is pretty much spot-on for an effective working-killer. No fuss, no frills, just put my Death Shirt on, and off to doing the job. The only thing that's not OK is the lack of headgear. Overall an 8/10.
>>64501625> Overall an 8/10.Nah, more like a 1/10 for three reasons.No padding under his chain hauberk. If anything, that leather jerkin should be underneath his chainmail, lol. No helmet.Sword with open hilt, but no hand protection. Teleport him to 1350, and he'd look like a totally clueless noob man-at-arms, and everybody would laugh at him.>>64501211It's different when you're wielding a pike, anon.
>>64501225>Hobbits are explicitly full-on noguns peacenik farmersI mean they're incredibly lethal for their size with even improvised weapons, and they're pretty quick to rush into brutal melees when roused.
Anyone got any good pictures of Jean de carrouges and Jacques le gris Swords/Shields/Armour? Faramir's Armour is 10/10?
>>644970807/10, solid and accurate enough, he doesn't have any head and throat protection though
>>64497728>muh helmetYou've clearly never put on a helmet and realized the hearing cost would be extremely detrimental to someone on a quest that requires being aware of one's surroundings at all timesFuck all these armchair 'muh realism' faggots that can't even begin to fathom anything outside of what their medieval larp youtubers spoonfeed them
>>64500704>Faceless effect of helmets is very prominent. I remember i went play paintball with buddies. We got into rented masks and camos, and we suddenly realized you cant understand who is who at all, even mixing with outsiders of our group>There is reason coat of arms existed it was plastered everywhere and clothes main colors were coat of arms color.Yeah it's one of those concessions to movie making reality that I don't see much of a way around in general. I'm trying to think of counter examples, I guess a weird but maybe pertinent one would be Iron Man where the main hero is in a faceless helmet during the action, but they made sure to include lots of "inside the helmet show his face" cut scenes even then, have him take off the face plate etc. And since he's basically the only one who does it he gets to be more unique anyway.It definitely irritates my autism big time when it happens, not just in historical stuff but in future stuff (I really didn't like the hollywood adaption of All You Need Is Kill for example). But it's a hard one to get around.
>>64502011>It's different when you're wielding a pike>posts soldiers with hand protection
>>64497080The best dressed character in an extremely budget film. A loose haubergeon without a properly fitting gambeson would have been a liability. No gorget. That tunic screams smut novel/he-poon for old lady enjoymentMismatched bracers with one gloved hand.
>>64497626Chuck norris would roundhouse kick him back to Narnia.
>>64497620there was no plate armor in the books. rather than aragorn getting plate, the gondoran troops should've been wearing mail
>>64503678The elves would have worn full plate, especially Glorfindel. But Peter Jackson had the financial backing of Jew Line cinema and so they couldn't afford Glorfindel
Hema fags need to kys.
>>64503693>sweaty nerds getting exerciseShow us on the doll where the HEMAfags hurt you
>>64497620This has to be bait, you can't actually be that retarded as to not realize why carrying a fucking poleaxe on the Fellowship's quest wouldn't work out wellOh no wait just an average polefag
>>64497620Aragorn only starts wearing armor (mail) at Helm's Deep, and yes it was done to keep his overall design in line with the ranger visual. PJ actually wanted Aragorn to be in Gondorian armor at the Battle of the Black Gate (since he is now directly leading Gondor) but Viggo thought it would make sense for Aragorn's fighting style, and they compromised (he has bits of plate but is still mostly wearing mail, and the outfit is inspired by Elendil's get up in the FotR). However PJ put Viggo in the armored outfit for the coronoation, pic related.Honestly though, the mail is far far closer to what Tolkien envisioned though. Tolkien makes almost no reference to plate throughout the books (there's Imrahil's vambraces, and some mentions of iron collars and that's about it) and the vast majority of warriors from the West are wearing mail, while the East and South get some mentions of scales and lamellar like armor/
>>64503674>A loose haubergeon without a properly fitting gambeson would have been a liability.Actual warriors wore less (ie chainmail with thinner rings over clothes, chainmail mantle without any padding). Not so good against powerful bow or thrust still useful against sword cut.
>>64501625>Vigo is a top guyfor you
>>64501625>making the books mainstreamfucking retard
>>64504110NTA, and the books were always sort of mainstream... but I hate the movies for their aesthetic. The pre-movie art was always much better than the generic slop that was released after the movies -- simultaneously more grounded (the equipment and gear usually wasn't mismatched garbage like OP) and more fantastic. The elves also looked more reasonable, whereas in the movies they were ridiculous.After the movies, everything became sort of standardized in a way... and IMO much for the worse.
>>64503931Notice how they're all wearing head protection, hand protection, and they have fucking shields. Aragorn in OP looks totally clueless. It's such a bad costume.
>>64504159The movies are heavily influenced by John Howe and Alan Lee, who along with Ted Nasmith were the most prominent of Tolkien artists prior to the films release (and still are). Apart from the immediate wave of fan art, not that much has changed to be honest. Ignore the watermark, pic related was from 1994https://www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=981
>>64504164>Notice how they're all wearing head protection, hand protection, Yeah like guy said >>64497728 But Hollywood doesn't likes headcovers it hides faces of their precious movie stars and mittens are ugly.
>>64504199Look at the halberd, spear, and the armor and helmets in that pic.Compare to the orc "armor" and "weapons" (cast iron machete lmao) in the films.The pre-film art was 100x better and it's not even close. What's worse, SO MANY faggots just blindly copy the film slop.
>>644976200 mentions of plate in the bookAlso fuck carrying a pole axe literally across half the world when you have the sword of your superhuman, god (well angel or whatever) slaying ancestors
>>64503693Just do bohurt and beat the fucking brakes off the HEMA kids. They study the manuscripts but don't deadlift or wrestle so it's easy to bully them
>>64497515Question for /mgq/ (that's Medieval Gear Queers) - is that helm an open framework of metal strips? It looks like there is green padding immediately visible. If so, how effective in battle and general wear is such a helm? It should be much light than a solid helmet and have better ventilation, but how effective?>tfw the hardware path is pretty clear
>>64502011Once again, plate doesn't exist in LoTR books, so no shit he would be underwhelming in the mid 14th century when metallurgy was improving, and he was a ranger not just a soldierNo helmet is a fair critique And 'padding' under armor is greatly misunderstood, yes wearing some sort of clothing underneath is a given (like he is doing) but you categorically do not wear a gambeson under mail, thick gambesons are their own form of protective equipment, I don't think there's a single historical example of thisA cotton tunic was the norm, which is what he might well be wearing
>>64503674See this >>64504997You don't wear a gambeson and mail shirt, it just wasn't a thing
>>64497080Could have given the lead character butted mail.
>>64503336King Baldwin played by Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven. Granted, the character had leprosy but it’s still odd they casted an A list actor for a faceless role.
>>64505008That's only because if they were worn under armor they would have been called aketons or pourpoints instead.A gambeson is a cloth armor worn on its own, not as padding.
>>64505111Yes but there isn't a single example of aketons being anything like later gambesons, which as you say was its own form of protection that iirc came about more in the 14th centuryBasically every single contemporary depiction of mail in the high middles ages shows a fairly form fitting shape, definitely nothing like a gambeson underneath
>>64497620I'm confused, so they should change all of this from the book and piss everyone off? Let me just put it as kindly as I can: I think that's retarded.
>>64505147>a fairly form fitting shape, definitely nothing like a gambeson underneathI have sincere doubts over the accuracy of that depiction, as that man looks like some kind of skinny twink you could break in two over your knee.Remove the chain mail, remove the clothing underneath it, and he looks like someone taken straight out of Auschwitz.Even the twink on the right looks way thicker than the artwork does.
>>64505173That's how every contemporary depiction looks
... cause you don't wear a bulky gambeson...
... underneath your mail armor...
I'll stop samefagging now
>>64505191Yes, and medieval art is blatantly unrealistic, not at all accurate.Just look at the arms of these longbowmen.Literal fucking sticks.Meanwhile, IRL we have cadavers from the medieval period with deformations in their bone structure from the amount of archery they did. We have modern longbowmen who look nowhere near as skinny as them.The art is just shit.
>>64505203Find me examples of books, depictions, anything that show thick gambesons worn under mailIt isn't a thing, it's meme history parroted undulyPadding =/= a thick gambesonThey wore a much thinner cloth or linen tunic, or aketon
>>64505220Hey, as long as you admit the medieval art is entirely inaccurate and can't be used to establish an accurate understanding of period history.
>>64505233The problem is anon that it is consistent in this metricNever does it depict the inverse, and there's a lot of art of knightsRegardless if anons want to mention that his mail in OP is loose fitting, that could be a gripe, but saying he should have more padding when there is literally 0 evidence for thick padding under mail in literature or art is an unfair critique
>>644970802/10a guy with just a robe and a club would make a more passable medieval soldier
>>64505061>Edward Norton>A listyeah nahI like the fellow but his filmography is shit. he didn't know how to pick winners. Kingdom Of Heaven itself is one of his most successful movies.>>64505111>if they were worn under armor they would have been called aketons or pourpoints instead.>A gambeson is a cloth armor worn on its ownI think that's an assertion that takes considerable serious scholarly research to either prove or disprove, and ultimately, who gives a shit? why quibble over a name?>>64505247>but saying he should have more padding when there is literally 0 evidence for thick padding under mail in literature or art is an unfair critiquethe evidence you give is for a long-sleeved padded garment which you call a gambesonI think that is more the point of dispute here, because Aragorn in OP's pic could conceivably be wearing a sleeveless / short-sleeved padded double under that mail, true to lifethat said,>>64502011>that leather jerkin should be underneath his chainmailwrongwearing a tunic of some kind over armour for identification, protection and utility purposes is perfectly normal, we know this from medieval art
>>64505325>long sleeved padded garment which you call a gambesonYes, which is what 99% of people talking about armor now refer to as the under layer beneath mail, its undoubtedly what people are referring to as him needing padding, which is why I'm kicking up a stinkA thick linen, cotton or woolen tunic is plenty enough padding for mail armor, his long red shirt itself might well be enough, and yes he may or may not be wearing a short vestBut nothing like say, pic related
>>64500704Wish i can find decent pictures of the Armour and the Swords and Shields from the last duel film?
>>64505325>wrong>wearing a tunic of some kind over armour for identification, protection and utility purposes is perfectly normal, we know this from medieval artRetard-kun, a heavy leather jerkin is not a "tunic" or tabard.
>>64505520I see your modern slop and raise you antiquated slop
>>64505606I'm a huge fan of the Henry V 1944 film and Richard III. Just trying to find decent pictures of the Armour Swords/Blades and Shields.
>>64504159I'm autistic enough to think different artists did certain things better. Ted Nasmith hands down is the best at making Beleriand, Valinor, and the sort of magically infused lands of the first age beautiful. Alan Lee does the best architecture, John Howe probably gets the most iconic images. Powerleveling here but following a reenactment group called The Company of St George and the castle they go to I swear is the inspiration for one of his paintings.Most fun painter(s) are the Hildebrandts, this one is stolen from reddit but I have the same book, it's really genuinely charming to see these dorks in the 1970s before the internet and larping was mainstream having their friends wear bedsheets and holding brooms and other stuff to visualize the poses. >https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/1axkw77/i_found_this_really_cool_hildebrandt_brothers_art/#lightbox
My gripe is that the movies didn't really sell the entire point of the quest to the viewer. The entire time, Sauron knows someone has the ring. Sauron knows that the ring can absolutely be used against him too. It's why his long plan to corrupt Gondor got taken up to "open war immediately." Any logical person WOULD use the ring against Sauron. Sauron knows Isildur's heir is still alive. He is pretty much trying to bumrush the forces of good before they can unite, give Aragorn the ring, and fuck him.The entire point of keeping it a secret quest is that no one would ever actually willingly destroy the ring and they're banking on Sauron leaving Mt Doom undefended. Aragorn is lightly armored because he is not on a war campaign or even scouting on patrol like he did in the North. The fellowship of the ring is Lewis & Clark, and Frodo is the USS Indianapolis. Elrond could have sent the Gray Company and Glorfindel and loudly told Sauron "hey here we are suck our cocks," but direct combat was never the goal. >For what he's wearing it is fairly practical albeit not really realistic. Beyond the stuff like separate hose/tunics which I will accept due to modern taste, I would think something more like an arming doublet with extra protection is solid. Lack of cloaks or separate hoods is the only real nitpick and even then his first scene does show him wearing a hood, but hats and hoods would be really appreciated when you're walking across a continent.
>>64505920> Most fun painter(s) are the Hildebrandts, this one is stolen from reddit but I have the same bookBro. It's so good. And I can totally see how this directly inspired all of the D&D/AD&D art of the 1980s and early 1990s. The Jackson movies have been an insanely negative aesthetic influence, ever since their release. Just low-quality slop. I mean, the natural setting was nice, but the human factor -- cities, weapons, armor, art, magic -- was severely degraded. And the elves became quite ridiculous, like an army of perfectly uniform tin soldiers from wish.com.The movie 300 is the same way. Hyper-stylized and wrong about basically everything, but extremely influential.
>>64498117>Steel plate of any kind is extremely rare to nonexistent in the booksThis, this, this.It is basically indescribable how much the movies overstate the occurrence of any kind of plate or even cuirass in LOTR.
>>64505944>For what he's wearing it is fairly practicalThere's literally NOTHING practical about a chainmail hauberk with no helmet. Hauberks are very heavy, a helmet like a kettle hat is light. The weight difference is close to 10x. (~20 pounds vs. 2 pounds.) In a fight, the helmet will be MORE useful than the hauberk. No sane fighter would lug around all that chainmail on a cross-country trek, but neglect to bring a helmet. Hell, even modern trekkers pack light helmets for climbing, cave exploring, etc.
>>64505946OK this is the castle IRL, I swear it has to have been the inspiration for the 1 John Howe painting of the wings of Minas Tirith
>>64505975>>64505946And the painting
>>64505008A gambeson can be worn by itself or with mail or plate, none of these were exclusive. There were all kinds of gambesons, padded linen jackets, arming jackets, and whatnot, and historically they have been used together. People typically wore a garment of some kind under their armor to tie everything together and so the rings didn't pull all your body hear out and pinch your nipples. People wore an arming cap under their coifs because rings touching hair is uncomfortable.
>>64505955At the risk of using a term I hate, I'm not trying to argue Aragorn was good on a purely martial aspect, he was literally trying to "gray man" it. The entire mission was to Gray Man it until they could hopefully get down to Minas Tirith intact and plan their next move. Well fitted maille and a garment over it is a lot less obvious than a gambeson or pourpoint. Like wearing a stab proof vest under a sweater vs level iv plates. Yeah the latter is better but you can wear the former to the UK without getting charged with a hate crime. Ideally, the Fellowship wouldn't have encountered a single other soul on at least the first leg of their journey that wasnt either a passing merchant or traveler or a deliberate stop into town. Sauron and Saruman had spies everywhere, the Eye of Sauron is far more allegorical to his vast intelligence network. None of them were trying to look like soldiers at all. The change through Moria, the Uruk party, and the diversion to rescue Merry & Pippin/Rohan were all unplanned deviations. But even then, heroes just dont wear helmets unless they are Judge Dredd, that's just how it was, is, and will always be. You can argue its stupid but if that's your sticking point then you'll be disappointed for almost any movie barring Excalibur.
>>64505955Total weight isn't the most useful measure here. 2lb on your head and that covers any part of your face is way worse to do anything in than 20lb on your body. Consequently, you then take it off when you're not fighting and you now need to strap a 2lb piece of metal to yourself somehow while it rattles around and generates eccentric torque every time you take a step (and you're going to be doing a lot of that).It's why infantry helmets and night vision are a huge weight issue even though they're objectively a very small part of overall soldier load. Aragorn's loadout makes rough sense to me, as someone who's spent a fair bit of time wearing and carrying around body armor and helmets while rucking and shit.
>>64506032A gambeson, as in something like this, was NOT worn with mail, there are 0 depictions or references to it everArming caps are nothing like gamebesons either, nor are the hose worn under chain mail chausses
>>64505173>twinkLose some weight, you fat fuck.
>>64506091> Total weight isn't the most useful measure here. 2lb on your head and that covers any part of your face is way worse to do anything in than 20lb on your body.I'll concede the "on your face" point. For this reason, medieval and early modern infantry almost never wore closed helmets. They were usually in open-faced helmets. Kettle hats, open sallets, morions, zischagges, etc. Like this guy: >>64506122Or these guys: >>64505979>>64505606>>64505345And so on.Closed helmets were largely for cavalry and tourneys. I totally disagree that carrying a 2 pound open helmet is somehow worse than lugging around a 20 pound hauberk. Something like a stahlhelm has never been a big deal for anybody. Super easy to carry, and even quite practical, as it can double as a washbasin, a stool, etc.
Are kettle helmets practical headwear?
>>64506227Yes
>>64497080Daily reminder his asshole has milked gallons of cum out of Davis Cronenberg
>>64506122I just read a book by Claude Blair that said there were plenty of references to gambesons being worn under the armor. Page 33 of European Armor by Claude Blair.
>>64497080>No gambeson.>No coif.>No helmet.Pathetic.
>>64497080the links are too wide. he's clearly using 10mm inner-diameter rings that are butted together; what he really needs is 6mm ID that alternates solid and riveted links
>>64503674>A loose haubergeon without a properly fitting gambeson would have been a liability.you really think every fucking Maille shirt was custom fitted for every soldier? you're a fucking retard. things are reused, passed down, modified; especially for lower classes. the only people that had "fitted maille" were nobility and professional knights
>>64505570tunic is a catch-all phrase which is why I used itsince you want to be pedantic, the word is jupon, asshole>>64505345>which is why I'm kicking up a stinkI had a quick look around and prima facie you appear to be right; the padded sleeveless arming doublet is called an aketon, and the word gambeson doesn't appear anywhere in my books on high medieval outfits
'His armor sucks lmao' but wouldn't wearing gambesons or plate attract unwanted attention in his situation?
>>64507481or a helm
>>64506339I just looked it up and what he's referring to is the terminology being used loosely, and he doesn't actually show where he's got his references from making it even more difficult to work out, but for example off that very page he mentions the only under garment being a knee length, fairly tight fitting shirtThat the terms are used all interchangeably and confusingly and that there isn't any great clarification for what they are actually referring toRegardless I don't know what he's drawing on for those references, and again no contemporary account I have ever seen shows what we now refer to as a gambeson (the heavily quilted armor common from the 13/14th century onwards) being used in conjunction with mailI'll have a better look at it later but I'm indisposed right now
>>64506313The fuck is your problem with Mortensen and Cronenberg collaborating on films?
>>64507360Its hard to nail down the terms because they shift in meaning and application but generally a gambeson is like in that pic you replied toIt's a funny thing because it's stuck in people's heads now, but given we have no evidence to support it, and the vague contemporary writings and art we do have never shows or states their usage together I don't think it's accurate that people now take their usage as givenIts hard to break people's conceptions of things because they are the common outlook though
>>64507531Eastern Promises was kino
>>64507865good to hear, I have that on The List>>64507574well, I only have a few books on the subject, and they might not be very thoroughin all fairness you'd really have to do a more thorough literature review to prove the 3 points that you're asserting here:1) the padded arming doublets worn under a knight's armour aren't ever referred to as gambesons2) gambesons only refer to that particular long-sleeved padded protective garment3) armour isn't worn over gambesons of that particular long-sleeved typethese are 3 distinct assertions
>>64497080No helmet/10No gloves/10No pack/10>>64500704I say this genuinely: skill issue.Hollywood directors are obsessed with putting their A-list actor's faces everywhere and the actors don't know how to use body language to save their lives. The fuckers at valve have given the TF2 pyro more life and expressivity without ever showing his face than any hollywood actor has ever portrayed. If you and your buddies are in rental masks+vests I don't doubt that it'd be pretty hard to differentiate each other but IME the more own gear you have, the more you stand out: your gear becomes your identity to the point where you might not be recognized afterwards. T. HEMAfag
>>64497080Frankly it is pretty good for someone whose profession is to cover great distances on foot through very rugged terrain. Leather is protective against rain yet cooling as long as well ventilated. A fairly short chainmain protects against cuts, while bracers also offers some protection against cuts and stabs while remaining lightweight, and functions as a small shield in close combat. Anything added to this set could only slow a running man down. The sword is on the heavy side but if you have no real shield you may as well have a two hander, especially if you expect to fight guys taller than yourself.
>>64508792lol> while bracers also offers some protection against cuts and stabs while remaining lightweight, and functions as a small shield in close combat
>>64509617>>64508792Fuck it, I'll take the bait.I mean, seriously, if you're using leather bracers as a "small shield" in close combat -- but they're made of leather (!), and you don't have any hand protection at all (!!!!!), you're definitely gonna lose that hand. At least a few fingers. But probably the whole damn thing at the wrist.Also lmao at > Anything added to this set could only slow a running man down.You've never worn a chainmail hauberk, have you? They're heavy and uncomfortable on the march. Steel breastplates are lighter and more comfortable. Most soldiers traveling long distances through open ground would keep their armor with the baggage train, though. Going cross country in a chainmail hauberk, but not bothering with a helmet at all, is basically retard tier.
>>64508698It's not just the directors, and the actors who are often prima donna's who demand their face be shown. Often its a problem with the audience being unable to recognize who is who. With a distinctive enough outfit the problem is sort of solved. But while outfits like Darth Vader or Iron Man are instantly recognizable, its a lot harder with medieval armor. An no, just because an autist has memorised every variation of Armet doesn't mean that the average audience can tell 10th to 15th century armor apart.
>>64509813>they're made of leather (!)he looted some snazzy steel ones off Boromir's corpse though>You've never worn a chainmail hauberk, have you? They're heavy and uncomfortableHobbit/LOTR chainmail is good enough to wear on the march for even a Dwarfand this is Aragorn, he's nearly a century old, in the prime of his life and can run 3 days straight while sleeping only an hour a daysuck on that, Pheidippides
Best Sword?
>>64512399Not far away? Hand-and-a-half or bastard sword, very flexible for various types of fighting style. Heavy pommel makes it easier to wield than some. Thick fuller shaves down weight. The type lasted several hundred years historically and proving its value as an all rounded. As long as it is well forged and from very good steel, hell yes it could be Best Sword.
>>64507531Viggo and Cronenberg had a sexual relationship. Cronenberg even called Viggo his “muse”
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>>64513127Holy shit, you are obsessed with this fantasy you've concocted.
>>64512399I love the Nagamaki like sword that the Elven warriors use. Kino. As for less stylized blades, Aragorn's original sword (your pic) and Glamdring are my favorites.Also the Witch-King's sword is heavily underrated. Rarely mentioned but very cool.
>>64513941I fucking hate those so much, bro. One or two would be okay, but the Elves -- a race of immortal heroes -- somehow got them produced in a factory somewhere, so that they're all 100% identical. It's also an objectively retarded design for the way those Elves chose to fight. Picrel is one of the dumbest things in cinema; the very opposite of kino. Missiles or spears would fold them instantly.
Bros. It's FANTASY. Be grateful that Tolkien created the 'grounded' fantasy genre (that the Fat One later claimed is unrealistic) instead of poncing fairies and stunted garden gnomes stealing children. Since it's still fantasy, some liberties were taken, even more so when adapted into film. (You) are free to create your own depiction of Aragorn et al., especially now with AI image generators.
>>64514085kinography
>>64497120aka the dream
>>64514010Yes, the studio should have produced several hundred custom models for all the extras and several 1000 unique models for the CGI for one set of scenes because an autist can't handle identical designs. lol>MissilesAgain, we could go into a discussion about the themes of the scene but lets play the autism game. What missiles? How are they not already driven from the field by the far superior Elven and Numenorean archers, who are better trained and equipped with significantly more powerful bows?
>>64514495Nigga, you obviously know nothing of warfare. Give the charging orcs IN THAT PIC some darts or javelins and it's all over for those retarded elves. They have literally no way to resist. Infantry formations with no pikes, no shields, no... nothing. Just really short-bladed choppers. This is peak retardation.
>>64507485Could have a kettle helm or something made to look like a buckler
>>64503674The bracers are worn as tribute so it's excusable in my opinion.
>>64514596>>64507481Not to mention weight considerations. See https://youtu.be/_eY9PLAdU_I
>>64514624Do you not realize that a gambeson and even a breastplate are far lighter than a chain hauberk?
>>64514636Of course, I was just picturing him running for days in full plate armor which is heaviest of all. Even though he's superhuman he's not a god.
>>64514528>Nigga, you obviously know nothing of warfare.I suspect I know significantly more than you, I'm just not dumb enough to think that 1 shot from a 2:00 minute prologue battle's job is to be an autistic study of warfare rather than set up the differences between 3 of ME's races through visual imagery.>Give the charging orcs IN THAT PIC some darts or javelins and it's all over for those retarded elves. They have literally no way to resist.Why not equip them with nuggets while we are at it? While the final battle's location is changed from Barad-dur (books) to Mt Doom (film), we can still infer that it takes place after several months of direct conflict (and possible the full 7 year siege from the books) due to the fact that the dead marshes still exist and are filled with Elven, Dunedain and Orc corpses. Which means that this final rabble of Orcs is all that Sauron has left after the army was shattered in months of field battles. Expecting sophisticated tactics from the Orcs at this point makes no sense in Universe, let alone from a cinema perspective. >Infantry formations with no pikes, no shields, no... nothing. Just really short-bladed choppers. This is peak retardation.I think you need to rewatch the scenehttps://youtu.be/JWJitlZMNwk?si=gqh4TH1oSPPLVlpF&t=137Pause at 2:19.
>>64514636He doesn't have any chain yet. He doesn't put any on until Helm's Deep.
>>64497400I think the templars wore robes rather than surcoats until the tail end of the 1110s. Which kinda stinky poo poo that they looked like hobos for the real main arc of the crusades.>>64497620This feels like some dumb faggot bait so all you'll get is LOTR is based entirely on the migration era there's no references to plate. It's as anachronous as going unga bunga bronze age for Conan for Aquilonia when he consistently references 1400s era shit.God I fucking hate you grognard snobs, and I'm so autistic I'll dig up ratchet ass relics on Christies auction house to find what some esoteric forgotten kingdom's soldiery might have looked like but at this point I celebrate inversion of accuracy if it achieves an appealing and enjoyable aesthetic (Nolan's shitty brown-grey stuff does not for the Odyssey). While you niggers just lick the boot of Shad and that british faggot and think period pieces cannot be anything but 1350-1500 AD. No other period allowed.fuck you.
>>64504990it' would be fine enough against a slash, but it's more likely there isn't metal there for the simple reason of cost. you could open yourself up to arrows or even a thrust from another weapon, and not having metal at all being in the way if a club catches one of those spots would be especially catastrophic. however, you work with what you can afford.
>>64497620>aragorn running around in the middle of fuckass nowhere on his way across the fucking world kitted out like he's about to fight in a 15th century pitched battle
>>64513927The absolute state of cope. Sorry to ruin your childhood, kiddo
>>64507865the knife fight is brutal
I hate you retarded autists, you really can't understand or even process nuance.
>>64515549the fuck is a nuance?
>>64505198G-d I hate women
>>64505520those two obviously never read "in the praise of the new knighthood" baka
>>64514709lol at those front-line elves. If you're an immortal, surely THAT's how you want to fight.lol at you believing that darts, javelins, and throwing axes like franciscas are somehow "sophisticated tactics" when every shit-tier group of barbarian skirmishers in history used them.Let's face it, the movie "tactics" were garbage, just like their gear and costume design.
>>64505606What type of Swords did they use in the era of the last duel??
>>64514748Templars wore robes for the same reason everyone else wore them; to provide a layer between them and the horrid heat of the Middle East, not to mention the sand and the bugs. But they also wore surtout because those robes were too heavy to ride into combat with, and you have to be recognizable from a long way off or your own archers could start getting... ideas.
Looks comfy
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>>64500704>>64500704I like the armour Jean de carrouges has in film also can't find any pictures of his sword anywhere?.Even tho the half face helm's look silly.
https://x.com/Lordoftheringsu/status/1989087652193444275
>>64497120He spent decades roaming the entire continent
>>64519802Brigandine, checkHaubergeon underneath for some reason, checkGambeson underneath that for some reason, checksteel pauldrons, gloves, vambraces, helmthen there's the retarded maille boots.
>>64506710GaMbEsOnS HaD FuCkInG tIeS on them. stfu
>>64520923>underneath for some reasonFor the arm and groin protection?It might use large thin loops on the chest and back, it might not even be a full hauberk, things like pic related were for use with breastplates
>>64520923Also what's your problem with mail chausses?
>>645209641. they're heavy.2. they're retarded. Leather boots were the standard for millennia. You need more than that, there's greaves. Chainmail was heavy and expensive, and armoring your entire leg with it is retarded.
>>64521311Now I'll admit it's somewhat retarded from the late 14th century onwards, but prior to that it makes total sense, especially as cavalryAlso, imagine not taking the mail chausses + leather boots pill
>>64521329No, this looks just fine, especially because the chain is belted onto the boots. This is well-made armor.
>>64521346Most boots were only ankle height so that's just round the hosen, pic related and >>64520964 were more a cavalry thing (the spurs being a dead giveaway)
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>>64514010I don't like how fucking bowmen are the single most powerful soldier in the movies. Gondorian, Rohirrim and elven infantry job endlessly in melee, but the second archers come into focus, orcs die in droves despite mail, plate and shields.
