>>64523346
>use this to defend yourself after getting stabbed dozens of times
>get arrested and locked away for life
>stabber goes free and awarded medal for being brave and being the "true" victim

>>64523361
It's true, if you don't defend yourself and let Achmed or Ranjeet stab you 50x you won't go to jail for killing him.

I should've added some video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWL5_JakH58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCG1OL_xEas

>>64523346
Verboten in Germany

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>>64523402
Is this the anti-weapon board lol

>>64523430
Nah I was just stating that the sixneedler got banned over in germany because Dobrindt and some fucking stupid cops found out that, suprise suprise, those needles can penetrate through kevlar and chainmail that's supposed to stop knifes also does nothing.

>>64523346
Even if it was still legal, these things have no stopping power whatsoever. Icepick wounds if icepicks were a milimeter thick.

>>64523448
Yeah that, lame... I hope they reconsider, if not I look forward to the next design by Mr. Sprave lol.
I'll make a new thread when I get mine in the mail, maybe I'll get a spare if I like it.

>>64523472
No shit that it has no stopping power, the German legal limit is 7.5J muzzle energy. The whole point of the Six Needler is to make something useable for self-defense with 7.5J, the alternative is rubber ball guns which do nothing unless you tune them way beyond the legal limit.

>>64523492
>no stopping power
>useable for self-defense
Yeah.
I'd rather carry pepper spray.

>>64523378
Achmed and Ranjeet have no paperwork associated with them, which means nobody will come looking for them if they just disappear. Shoot, shovel and shut up.

>>64523402
They accidentally banned all airguns produced before 23 july 2025 with that law kek
>>64523502
It's more for home defense, and ofc as a fun test of what can be done within the 7.5J limit. For example even the AEA Zeus .68 is legal in Germany but only when it's sold tuned down to 7.5J, so without applying the export kit it can shoot plastic balls but lead slugs just flop out of it.

>>64523492
Isn't the point to just shoot an attacker in either his arms or legs with it, pinning muscles to the bones thus imobilizing him or something?

>>64523586
>They accidentally banned all airguns produced before 23 july 2025 with that law kek
>looks at my two chzech air rifles that I got from my dad, both with modified springs
Guess I'm an outlaw now, lmao

>>64523585
It's really a fun tech gun, but practically speaking yes it does penetrate bone and stick in it, so besides causing bone pain or organ damage, it also goes into the skull, can stick in or through the spine, can block a joint, can stick a muscle to a bone... it's like a handheld videogame nailgun, it's fun and it has a goofy damage mechanic.
How applicable it is, I have to test it before I can tell.
>>64523588
I'm sure they'll fix it lol
https://forum.waffen-online.de/topic/482883-luftgewehre-erlaubnispflichtig/
Basically the new law breaks or would break the 7.5J license exemption, I'm sure they won't be rabidly going after everyone who has an airgun over a one-word error in a law made to ban 1 gun.

>>64523492
>it has no stopping power,
> to make something useable for self-defense
pick one.

>>64523346
>I ordered one and it'll arrive next month
Do you live on a remote island or in the middle of boreal tundra?

>>64523685
It's a pre-order. Starts shipping in about two weeks lol.
>>64523681
Neither does pepper spray have stopping power.

>>64523448
>they blast us with every kind of anti-patriotic and anti-weapon propaganda for decades
>they ban just about any means of real, effective self defense available
>they make acquiring firearms ever more tedious with ever more absurd requirements in regards to storage etcetera
>if you call out any problems you're called racist or whatever
>if you call them idiots you get special forces knocking down your front door at 5 in the morning and confiscating all your electronic devices
>and then they wonder why someone like me has no intention in joining their stupid ass army to die in the next war, asking "have you no patriotism, don't you care for your safety and defending your loved ones"
sorry for the political post, but this country is a joke I can't even laugh at anymore

>>64523743
It's imo a bit of a problem that the Muslims and the open border freaks won't be wiped out before the Christians do, because that's 100% Christian agenda in action.
There's not even a real other force supporting it, besides like the kike handlers of Christians. But that's very few bodies, and they're as vulnerable as anyone else when not insulated by a billion Christendogs.
Closing that topic for now...

It's not quite as bad in the Neder-Deutschlanden thankfully - at least I can, for example, have any airgun in my home, no license, and I can store it however as long as I'm not hosting public houseparties - but we've comparable social/political issues.
Also I can't legally own pepper spray or a fucking slingshot in any way, no license exists for it. So niggardly.

Probably not in the German news, but we had a little anti-AZC (AZC = asylum seeker (housing) centre) song make a 450k hit on Spotify, this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQeAPgYi8u8
It's AI-slop though kinda well-made. It's something lol.

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>>64523346
>insert firing pin
>insert six .22 barrel liners made from brake lines
>never worry about timing issues because pepperbox design

>>64524246
>pepperbox design
where

>>64524258
the cylinder is the whole barrel.

>>64523346
bro just get an estwing rock pick
its light and it will penetrate a skull easily

>>64524596
Only works against slow and unsuspecting people. Not so much if they have common sense enough to block the one-dimensional strike coming in. Also home invaders will have knives or something else.

>>64524596
If you go melee, get a sword.

>>64523378
Fucking cucks

>>64524246
Would make perfect sense IF ammo wasn't licensed.
>>64524596
Have a nice machete-type thing already, full tang, heavy but light enough for my comfortable handling.
>>64524714
Wouldn't know how to pick a quality sword, that'll take some time.

>>64523596
>chzech air rifles
my nigga

>>64523430
She cute

>>64523346
Just carry a slingshot

>>64525656
Sword enthusiasts are going scoff at this answer: but get a ninja-to. It's straight and short. Better than a curved blade for stabbing. Better than a long blade for slashing indoors. Differential hardening is fine for a self defense sword.

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How does it compare to an air pistol? I imagine if it's powerful enough it could go through thin kevlar since it's a point

>>64525687
Illegal to own. (Legal in Germany.)
The legal options are Six Needler, any other airgun (but this is a money sink and often bulky / requires external air source), any crossbows (expensive and bulky), bows (unusable indoors).
Might as well learn to throw stones at this point.
>>64525693
I'm thinking there's probably a better European design for that, I don't see a point to having a one-edged straight sword.
May come down to availability and pricing...
>>64525694
That's why the German government panicked and rushed to ban it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCc25KhI-p8
I think they show the 7.5J version in this video but I can't say for certain.

>>64525724
Not that easy to find short two handed European designs. In Japan they never fought with the katana indoors, that's what the wakizashi was for. You are going to need to go for one handed swords like a gladius then.

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>>64525724
Damn that is actually pretty nice, I imagine past 15 meters the darts lose a lot of energy, but still impressive

>>64525814
Yeah, it's like a wireless hammer lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msxJyf-9FFE
Hope it finds and keeps its niche.
Maybe sports shooting where you nail a moving target to a substrate?

>>64524267
that rotates, so is NOT a pepperbox

>>64526415
nta, wikipedia claims that pepperboxes can rotate.

>>64523361
No, you've smeared the needles in shit beforehand, so the stabber will die painfully from sepsis, your revenge from beyond the grave.

>>64526415
Loads of pepperboxes rotated. One was even double action.

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>>64523378
You can't just own a Swiss saber to protect yourself from the stabbings?
Akhmed fears the sword of Abdul.

Wonder how easily it could penetrate the chest and strike the heart. That could be really bad

>>64526453
The old Indian Needle, devilish!
Just a quick shart into the barrel and you're good to go.
>>64526466
Can't carry that legally, not without a reason. Definitely not openly.

>spicy pepperbox
I'm sorry...

>>64526510
Spray the paki in his face with a can of wasp spray. He ain't stabbing shit when his eyeballs no longer work.

>>64523346
do you have a strong toxin to coat the needles in?
if not, its worthless

>>64526954
The spit from the Amazon Dart Frog has no known antidote and is highly toxic. I regularly microdose myself to develope immunity against its use by international assassins and communist spys. You should too.

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>>64526968
I just misread communist spies as community rapists

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>>64527215

>>64523727
>Neither does pepper spray have stopping power.
Confirmed for never having been pepper sprayed.

>>64525739
Gladius or similar things like kindjal are a good choice. Short cutting weapons exist too (some types of falchion or messer)

>>64525678
Short Mosins are cute indeed.

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>>64523472
>>64523492
They do make broad heads for blow guns though

Only non trivial application i can think of is poisoning the darts, sealing them in the barrel cluster, possibly integrally suppressing it with a captive piston.

While not subtle or immediately effective, it would have that liberator appeal of costing basically nothing, and being a persistent threat to foreign governments. Fuck Ivan and his novichock.

>>64525656
>Would make perfect sense IF ammo wasn't licensed.

Americans can't fanthom how bad it is outside USA. They can comprehend that ammo isn't just freely available for sale.

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All that you have to do in Germany when a Syrian comes to threaten you is pull one of these bad boys out. They know what it is.

>>64528365
le solution?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSVzcakBak

>>64528239
>>64526954
>>64523681
>>64523588
>>64523472
There is nothing about a fistfight (or knife fight) that would be harder if your opponent had multiple tig welder tips (which is what those are) inside their body at the time. The length of the needle actually plays majorly to its advantage, any muscle that contracts against it is going to seize up. The pain from moving would be excruciating even if a vital organ isn't hit.

But really the not so subtle idea here seems to be more "ambush" than self defense, probably in a group, or with multiple of the needlers.

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>>64525724
>any crossbows (expensive and bulky)
They make super compact crossbows these days with FPS sufficient to punch a broadhead straight through a grown man anywhere on his body.

>>64530097
Whew, 300-400 FPE eh? That's pretty nifty.

>>64530173
>>64530074
Any decent broadhead at 420 FPS will go through a bear, or a kevlar vest, and hit the ground on the other side, much less a man.

>>64523346
> Ask kindly rapefugees for a vial of their AIDS-infested blood
>give them neighbor's cat as compensation
>Hide in bushes and pick enemies off with new poison dart weapon, become silent death, like an Amazon warrior
BASED

>>64523346
bump

>>64523346
It's unlikely to kill fast, but it penetrates extremely deep for such a low energy weapon (dense projectile + extremely thin and long) and so any hit with it is going to require a trip to a hospital, if it doesn't kill by punching through something vital. I'm sure in the majority of cases the pain would make someone freeze up, and you'd have the opportunity to fire again or deploy some kind of melee weapon or flee, but "majority" is a dangerous word; I would hate to trust my life to a a 60%, or frankly even a 90% chance.

I'd get one if I couldn't get something stronger, sure.

>>64523346
What if the attacker wears a jacket?

>>64533099
It's a tungsten tig welding rod. It punched through a kevlar vest.

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>>64523402
if everything is illegal you might as well get a actual gun or melee weapon, at least it will defend yourself reliable unlike this plastic trash.

>>64533476
Pepper spray is legal. Canes are legal. Short knives are legal in most places. Swords and license guns are legal at home.

>>64533479
In the NL, all airguns are legal at home, at the range and at friends' houses if they have a lil home range. Same for bows and crossbows, swords, most kinds of knives, all canes.
For some reason we have a complete slingshot and pepperspray ban though.

>>64533486
>pepperspray ban
That one is retarded and you should lobby to get rid of it.

>>64523346
Coat the needles in chilli oil.

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Yoooo, he has arrived

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Good size IRL.
Kinda heavy. Cold.
The whole drum is steel, I thought it would have a plastic part but no. Only the grip cover is plastic, every single other part of the gun is steel.
I can cock the hammer and then pull the trigger, or deal with the much heavier trigger pull but get semi auto.
This thing is a bit scary! Great!

*not semi-auto bc I still provide the force to turn the barrel and cock the hammer, idk the lingo

>>64523346
Metro 2033/10

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>>64534134
he real
This shit got real faster than I expected

>>64533510
the muslims will just start spraying everyone

>>64534252
Doesn't really happen.

>>64523346
>>64523727
So what are you supposed to do with this thing, coat the needles in curare or VX or cyanide or something? Otherwise, unless you hit an attacker in the eyeball, it's not going to do anything useful self-defense-wise.

Might be fun as a party toy, see who can pop the most balloons taped to the wall in the shortest time.

>>64534289
I think you're underestimating the penetration somewhat.

>>64534160
>>64534095
>>64534085
Well, you know what you have to do, go to the store and get a beef rib or a ham bone and shoot it. Joerg shot gel and wood and that kind of shit already. Wear eye protection.

>>64533821
You think that someone ignoring a five or six inch needle wound is going to be stopped by a drop of chilli oil in their wound

>>64523472
>no stopping power
When you have a long steel dart embedded in a bone like a nail in a board you are not doing any moving without extreme pain.

>>64534371
Uh...yes? I've seen dudes walk around with six inches of steel in them like it's an inconvenient piercing only to be dropped by the merest whiff of pepper spray.

>>64534380
Probably won't pierce the bone, tho. The needles are a bit too thin and prone to bending. It'll definitely hurt like hell but adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

>>64534429
no you haven't, and getting sprayed with pepper spray and having the tiniest drop of chili on a needle are two infinitely different things.

>>64534444
It pierced wood and a kevlar vest I'd say it has a good chance.

>>64534370
Joerg did that too already...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qR0RpQe32U
>>64534444
... aaand bone confirmed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxYWz_m6Yk

I found this Algerian seething at Joerg and calling for the Six Needler ban before it was banned so we know one the culprits is the usual suspect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzsYM4XSg2E

>>64534590
>Joerg did that too already
Looks like he shot a roast with a board behind it and said it was "like bone"

>Bone confirmed
Looks like that insufferable boomer shot thin pork ribs and didn't show the bone afterwards anyway.

There were good reasons I was specific about what you should shoot at for a novel test. If you shoot at a thick, tough bone and show us, we can get a better idea of the upper limits of the needler.

>>64534971
Yes they did, I'll ask the butcher kekeke

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>>64523585
this
I don't see this posted enough as a reply to all the problems with all the illegal immigration across the western world
it's why I consider a bolt action suppressed subsonic gun is the most practical gun you can own
also access to a incinerator or large body of water

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Test with my 3mm aluminum-plated bench, went straight through the aluminum at a 60 degree angle.
Left is test shot, right is for reference.
Can't get the needle out, fuck

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700g piece of frozen bone from the butcher, 5 meters, no tuning valve:
>picrel
Will it be stronger if I let it thaw?

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The first one was a fluke. Realistically it's all 1-3cm penetration, median around 2,5cm. Dart on the right for reference.

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Couldn't get 3/5 needles out, I guess the bone isn't going to a neighbor's doggo.
Here's my 18.5kg vice hanging from one of the needles I couldn't get out.

This was from a little over 5 meters away, let's say 17 feet, starting about 8 shots into the CO2 cartridge I opened 16 hours ago.

>>64536441
Hahaha holy shit

>>64536615
Can we get a picture of the bone outside the bag just for future threads so we don't have to explain what that's a picture of?

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>>64536666
Fair enough, had aleady tossed it out so forgive the less than flattering picture.

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Trying for a better un
(The one with caps I'm just holding next to it as a rough depth reference.)
>>64536663
Yeah haha, I need better pliers now

>>64534627
The emotional response comes from him knowing deep down one of his cousins is gonna have to deal with the wrong end of one of these during a sexual or money emergency.

>>64536650
Very cool, testing in real life is always king.

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>>64536781
"We importeren een cultuur"

Bonus round!
Up close, same CO2 cartridge.
1 / 5

>>64536859
en die kultuur is er een van kanker boefjes

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2 / 5

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3 / 5

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5 / 5

Anything else before I give it one more try to find a dog who'll love this bone?

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>>64525724
>>64530097
>crossbows mentioned
I'm the guy who bought a mey interceptor from gogun last month and just got my red dot from them aswell, aside some china bolts, wax and a steambow backsto mat from amazon to replace my dyi target(a cardboard box stuffed full with carpet scraps and one of those kiddy targets that you throw sticky balls at.) The arrows in the mat are from just now when I zeroed my red dot on, granted it's not completely there yet but I'm happy with the result so far.

>>64536844
>>64536889
Well I think we've pretty definitely put to bed the notion that this thing isn't going to stick into any bone it hits. Great job anon.

>>64536620
While impressive for the low muzzle energy, these are completely inadequate for self defence against people. You'd be much better off just carrying a knife.

>>64537725
That's bone. Crack bone and 99% of attacks stop.

>>64538274
>Crack bone and 99% of attacks stop.
Crack bone and it hurts a lot, .22 can do that too. A baseball bat can do that. What none of them can do reliably is to stop a determined attacker who isn't dissuaded by the pain. That's why the FBI laid out minimum standards for terminal ballistics a few decades ago, standards that I can only assume this thing doesn't meet. Personally I wouldn't carry a gun that might only have the effect of pissing off the person you shoot. Stab someone a few times with a good sized knife and at least you have a chance of making them lose consciousness within a minute or so.

>>64538632
>Crack bone and it hurts a lot, .22 can do that too. A baseball bat can do that.
And they'd stop 99% of attacks right then and there.

>>64536859
Is this the acupuncture thread?

>>64539735
German accupuncture at a distance :^)

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>>64536975
hi, im a guy that bought the whipshot from gogun last month
its pretty fun

>>64539862
Looks nice Anon

>the name is needler
>S. Needler

>>64538632
>Personally I wouldn't carry a gun that might only have the effect of pissing off the person you shoot
>Might
So all guns.

>What none of them can do reliably
Reliably means most often.
What is it about micro plastics and tylenol that makes people unable to understand statistics even in abstract.


>Stab someone a few times with a good sized knife
Your knife doesn't penetrate 12 inches into ballistics gel.

>>64540968
>So all guns
No, because pumping someone full of 9mm is virtually guaranteed to bleed them out relatively quickly, regardless of if you damage their nervous system (an "instant stop"). This is something 1mm wide darts and .22 bullets can't accomplish with any regularity.

>makes people unable to understand statistics
Oh okay, got it, FBI scientists are all dumb dumbs who don't know anything. You should really be the one calling the shots over there.

>Your knife doesn't penetrate 12 inches into ballistics gel.
No, but it can cause a lot of bleeding. With a knife you're depending on bleeding a highly motivated attacker to the point of fainting in order to stop them.

>Joergon Sneedler
a menace to brownkind, pure, unmitigated evil
that oration, that laugh... *shiver*
no no, never again
we must ban this man

>>64539862
Ive been eyeing this beauty. I have 2 regular bows (made one myself) but this thing seems so enjoyable to shoot. How does it handle?

>>64523346
Bunp

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>>64525656
Joerg tested. These 22 starter pistol blanks are more powerful than actual 22 ammo. And they are legal pretty much everywhere.

Nailgun blanks are way more powerful and legal.

>>64541147
>virtually guaranteed
>Ten billion 9mm
>Any regularity
You just throw buzzwords around and shift goalposts. What a nigger.

>>64546775
Wow, great argument.
>virtually guaranteed
So what would you rather I say? Nothing is certain in the world of terminal ballistics, that's why you can cherry pick cases of people killing elephants with .22s and people surviving being shot 20 times. But clearly 9mm is effective at bleeding someone out, you can find countless police shooting videos to prove this. Calculate the volume of tissue destroyed by a 9mm JHP and you'll find that it's over 100x more than a 1mm dart.

>>64547792
>Wow, great argument.
>So what would you rather I say
It's easy just stop shifting goalposts, crudely misusing terms, and arguing emotionally.

>>64548530
Please stop, setting aside which of you is right, your being a colossal faggot

>>64523361
use an air pressure pistol if your government is truly that faggy. They dont need ammo and all you need to do i put it point blank though. id reccoment against their face. it will either knock them out or kill them

>>64527381
pepper spay doesnt work on anyone with abnormal pain tolerance or peopl on drugs, which ranjeet likely is

>>64542632
first bow i bought so cant compare it to any other
i like it a lot
can be adjusted a lot (draw length and power) which is one of the reasons i bought it
aiming with the red dot is super easy and seems accurate

>>64546708
I saw most of his vids but I don't remember that one. got a link?

>>64523346
Its easier to manufacture a gun, magazines, and ammunition that you think. You can create functional pistols, rifles, and submachine guns with a day. For you, the hardest part would be acquiring/fabricating a quality rifled barrel and ammunition, but neither are impossible.

>>64550542
Do you even follow the thread bro?
see here:
>>64529893

>>64546708
Nail gun blanks are going the way of the dodo. All the trades are switching to electric now. In fact nail gun blanks are two steps behind since before that they were jewing everybody with gas cartridge nailers and even then people still were trending toward them over blanks. Blanks aren't going to last the next two decades imo.

>>64549365
Or use a homemade laser weapon to permanently blind the attacker. With modern diodes and batteries it's easy to put out well over a hundred watts.

>>64551025
>use a homemade laser weapon to permanently blind the attacker
This is how you pay alimony to the guy for the rest of your life.

>>64551033
Once he's blind he can't really stop you from bashing his head in with the nearest blunt object.

>>64551082
that's genius.
>blind burglar with laser
>kill him with some other tool, like a hammer
>make sure he is dead
>place some bandage on him (for plausible deniability)
>place knife on him
>hide self defense laser
>call the cops and tell them that you feared for your life
>walk free
no coroner will check his eyes.

Okay, first real point of critique:
The handle is boxy and lightweight, and doesn't provide a nice grip for the fingers. So it's hard to tilt the gun up and down with finger movements.

>>64550939
>Blanks aren't going to last the next two decades imo.
Neither is any government on the planet lmao. In two decades feudal lords will be carving up developed countries into micro kingdoms.

>>64552125
Also the safety is impossible to disable with just the right hand while holding it normally, I have to claw through or around the trigger guard to do it bc my thumb can't reach that far.

>>64548765
So to recap Anon claimed
-Cracking someone's bones with a baseball bat is "Completely inadequate for self defense" and does not reliably stop an attacker.
-22lr, including magdumping someone in the chest, is "completely inadequate" and does not "reliably" or with "any regularity" stop determined attackers.

However his pocketknife is superior to both a half dozen 22lr holes and shattering someone's skull with a baseball bat, because it "causes more bleeding"

>>64523346
Bunp

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Anyone got a clue on how to pull these needles out? I said I blew one into my aluminum bench and well, I did. It's still in there lol.

>>64536975
can you even reload the crossbow? i dont think so honnestly

>>64536859
heb je al een middel om die pijlen giftig te maken dan, kut

>>64556757
It's pretty easy to reload

>>64556778
ik laat ze weken in de kut van je moeder, hoerenzoon

>>64555759
Damn. Heat it a little?

>>64555759
Cut it off flush, and then use a hammer and punch to drive it out the back.