We already know that the F-47 is in final production representative prototype production after Allvin's speech at AFA, but one thing that leads me to believe that multiple are in production is the Air Force's FY26 request. They halved their F-35 buys to facilitate F-47 procurement. It seems a little soon, considering that the new St Louis plant to build it will be done in 2026, but no exact month given. If it's early 2026, then it makes sense, but if it's around FY27 (October), wouldn't it make sense to buy more F-35A until the full production line is up, or am I just confused about military procurement timelines? I'm pretty sure the first few F-47 prototype articles will follow the same strategy of the B-21, converting to combat spec after testing is done so it would make sense for the Air Force to buy F-47s built in the existing Phantomworks facility till the new one is up and running. Maybe 3-4 planes being built at once.
There's no sense making more F35s when China is set to roll out J36/J50 production pretty soon. If the USAF wishes to keep its air dominance it needs to play catch up, hence renewed focus on F47 production.
CCAs are presumably going to pick up a lot of slack which also may be a factor in decreasing f35 buys
>>64528684I did a little more research myself and answered my own question lol. Boeing is using RDT&E money from the EMD contract earlier this year to make the prototype(s). Those can then later be fitted out to combat spec and sold to the Air Force in Lot 1. The airforce procurement budget is valid for 3 years, I thought it was always 1 year. So they can save up and have a big procurement budget for FY27 when the production lines are open.So I guess the topic that remains is the question of are there several copies of prototypes being built at Phantomworks? I still think yes even despite this redirected budget not going to F-47 procurement of today because it just makes sense if it has been shown to work.
>>64528727>needs to play catch upI can't tell who is Changing who any more?!?! Show us some clips of the esteemed Chinese Airforce in action. I'll wait :)
>>64528727Those are just concept aircraft, built for different roles. Mainly the J-36 could be a heavy multitole interceptor. The F-35 isn't getting canceled. It's a key part of multinational interoperability. F-47 is meant to improve on what the F-22 is while allowing a larger production line.
Everyone knows the j36, j50 and h2 aren't real just give it a rest buddy.>>64528684No.
To answer your question OP, I don't think that the US is producing the F-47 yet. At best they have a flight worthy prototype in the earliest stages of testing and more likely they don't have anything physical yet.But none of this matters because 6th gen is a complete fucking meme. We have no evidence that the J-36/J-50 represent any substantial leap in capability over current 5th gen aircraft, and if the J-20 is any indication they likely don't. While the Chinese certainly shouldn't be dismissed they have a history of making massive claims that don't stand up to scrutiny, similar to how the Soviet Union made the air force shit themselves for most of a century while producing mediocre aircraft. The F-35 and F-22 are still the most advanced and numerous aircraft in the sky and odds are they still will be after the J-36/J-50 enter serial production. And if they aren't, well, there are certain advantages to allowing your adversary to produce the first instance of a new class of weapons, it allows you do make course corrections and improvements while you're developing your counter.
>>64528727Lol, the Chinese think the J36/50 are 6th generation.They're going to be feckin bamboozled when they're losing them at a ratio of 50 to 1
Wasn't the slowdown of the F-35 related to the still underdevelopment Block 4?
It is highly likely they've started advanced procurement and manufacturing for the first "real" airframes for LRIP. Like the B-21 program which has 6 test vehicles, but they're expected to be converted to combat spec after the testing/evaluation period. The F-47 is likely attempting a similar approach, the first 1 or 2 airframes are likely ~50-70%+ complete already and the next handful are probably in a staggered 0-30% completion stage.With the digital design/prototyping that was done with the B-21, the USAF got a lot more comfortable relying on simulations for design work instead of building hardware to test. Obviously the final design needs to be validated with flight testing, but by the time you have a flying prototype, the hope is the digital design phase left you with a 99% completed airframe design that only needs minor modifications for the final production model.
>>64528727You sound like those soviet era boomers. >oh fuck they are telling us this is the most incredible plane ever built. Just look at the spec sheet>turns out they fucking lied about the specs like they always do
>>64529504The current running theory they're using is that Chinese military hardware is like Soviet hardware, but the specs AREN'T lies.And since Chinese military shit has never been throughly combat tested, it's difficult to say for sure if it's true or not.
>>64528684About 3%.
>>64529363Wasn't that a bigger concern for some foreign partners?
>>64529514>And since Chinese military shit has never been throughly combat tested,Do not redeem Rafael, Saar's!
>>64528727You have no idea what you're talking about. China's '6th gens', if they can be called that, are still in the demonstrator phase. The USAF is still max procuring F-15EX, why would they stop procuring F-35s besides budgetary reallocation?
Has west taiwan reengined all the early j20s yet?
>>64530031>classified annexalways :(
>>64530401>black edgy plane with red evil villain logoskinoooo
>>64528684How do the marines operate as many F-35 as the navy if not more? Does the Navy not really like the lightning? Don't they have vastly more air squadrons than the USMC
>>64530946There are only 4 carriers that can currently launch the F-35C CVN-70 to 74 can launch F-35C or F/A-18E/CCVN-75 to 78 and CVN-68 and 69 can only launch F/A-18E/FCVN-79 (and all CVNs going forward) will have the F-35C launch capability from the get-go. So basically the Navy hasn't needed a large number of F-35Cs as they've only been able to launch F-35Cs from a handful of ships and even most of those were done in the last few years. The plan was to let the USAF buy the early F-35 tranches and then later production would shift more towards the navy.
>>64531045It's all shifted to the F/A-XX instead of the F-35c it seems. The other carriers will still need to be upgraded to support them z right?
>>64531057F/A-XX is still being slowballed; it'll be years before it's at the same stage as the F-47 (which itself is ~2-3 years from first flight and 4-5 years from IOC at best)In the meantime F-35Cs will still be needed. It also helps that the F/A-XX is being designed from day 1 to be carrier capable and can thus design around the existing catapult systems the F-35C uses and just try to be compatiable with that system (or close enough to not require major overhauls on the carriers).If the F/A-XX program does speed up then you can expect reduced funding and reduced buys for the F-35C, but it'll still be around for a long time, it just might not have the same total volume of airframes that was originally envisioned for the navy.
>TWZ just posted another F-47 article which reveals nothing new and just repeats what was already known since Septembergod I hate those slop faggots
>>64531074Besides the JBD being insufficient for the jet blast of the F-135, one of the integration issues for the F-35 on the CVN-75 to 78 and CVN-68 and 69 was said to be magazine logistics for the F-35. I'm wondering what the hell that could mean when the F-35 doesn't carry any munitions that the F/A-18E can't carry, especially not oversize ones like the AIM-174B. Would the F/A-XX have this problem, being a 80-90k lbs fighter?
>>64529514>none of this stuff has ever been used for its intended purpose and they lie about everything they think they can get away with, but what if they're being honest this time?
>>64531615For the F/A-18E/F, weapons are loaded onto external hardpoints on the wing and fuselage before or on the flight deck/hangar bay. For the F-35C, the weapons must be delivered from the magazine below to the plane and then loaded into a tight, enclosed bay within the aircraft's fuselage. This process requires new, purpose-built weapons handling equipment and procedures in the magazine and on the flight/hangar deck to ensure the weapon is loaded correctly and without damaging the Low Observability (stealth) coatings of the aircraft or the internal bay mechanisms.
>>64531893I never thought about that. So it's basically just a bunch of weapons carts that they don't have on the CVNs yet, not some special storage or equipment,
>>64532107Also the training/procedures.
>>64531860>>64529514We need to believe their lies so that videogames can have balanced equipment
>>64532182Don't forget that the MIC is taking all of them face value with the explicit goal to overmatch so it's going to be quite the show
>>64530946>>64531045It's the other way around, the Navy hasn't retrofitted many carriers to support F-35Cs because they can't get many F-35s. The vast majority of F-35 orders were A and B, so that's what Lockheed got working first. The Navy is buying new F/A-18s because the backlog for F-35Cs is so long.
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>>64528727>N-NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO CATCH UP WITH OUR 4.5 GENSThat’s very cute, but china still hasn’t build anything that can go toe to toe with an F35
>>64532862>450 plane backlog >Production rates of 156 a yearSuffering from success
>>64534875The F-35 is truly the greatest combat aircraft of all time, we may never see its like again. Imagine how many more orders there would be if Lockheed could have anticipated the massive perennial demand for it and scaled up production sooner and further, and if it wasn't limited by American export controls. There's a universe out there where they're cranking out 500 of the things a year and they're being used on both sides of every war.
>>64528727>>64529504
>>64535105F-47 is the F-15 to the J-36's MiG-25?
>>64535125The demonstrators were flying first so not really. It will be an insane overmatch either way.
>>64529514>but the specs AREN'T lies. of course they're lies, this is Chinathey're not necessarily lies to deceive the enemy, but to deceive their superiors.
>>64536839I know that, but that's the narrative being pushed.
>>64536858that's how you get the R&D money you want.
>>64528727It remains to be seen how much better the Chinese craft really are. The things could essentially just be redos recycling various J-20 parts internally but with much more stealthy airframes because maybe analysts are in fact correct that the J-20 is really not actually that stealthy and is not really meant for ground attack so they have a definite opening in their lineup for a fighter bomber. I think it is essentially their version of the FB-22 concept made real. The J-50 actually does look like a purpose built next gen but I think is further behind in development. The US has had its own criteria such as adaptive cycle engines and such that as far as we know, the Chinese just do not have at all. The US also was constantly asking for a laser weapon on its 6th gen and so far we literally have no visible ideas if they managed to do this or not yet (and if they did this would explain why they are playing things so close to the chest if they have a real breakthrough). The J-36 having three engines is I thinj more like because Chinese engines are fucking crap and they need that third one to help the fat fuck take off from carriers or rather short runways (like those island reef airbases). Three engines is terrible for thermal, they would not put them in there if it wasn't compensating for something. For people thinking it's some hypersonic ramjet shit or whatever, you cannot go supersonic without the shockwave giving away your position on doppler or similarly specced radar looking for it. It is a real risk to go supersonic and assume you are keeping your stealth, you might not, and also you are heating up and glowing like the sun on thermal doing that as well. This is fucking why the F-35 is designed entirely as a subsonic fighter, etc. we'll see how things turn out but I can see why the chinks are doing this. They still don't have stealthy engines on the J-20s so they might not actually be that good beyond having incredible range on their a2a.
>>64536921>The J-36 having three engines is I thinj more like because Chinese engines are fucking crapIt has three engines because its is fuckhuge. Its 50% longer than a F-22. I would not be surprised if they make a 4 or 5 engined bomber later, like some kind of stealth supercruising B-1.
>>64536921>adaptive cycle engines and such that as far as we know, the Chinese just do not have at allThey actually published some implessive test results from an experimental testbench engine but their program is solidly behind even the Euro GCAP VCE.>For people thinking it's some hypersonic ramjet shit or whateverIt should be so painfully obvious now that the second demonstrator has DSIs but thirdies have been mentally slopped with the hypersonic meme.
Can someone tell me if Boeing needs to come up with their own software for F47? I think that Lockheed said something like 70% of R&D cost for F35 was just software. Because creating that type of software takes lot of time and it seems silly to me to recreate mostly the same thing for each new fighter jet.
>>64537523I mean, yes the F-47 will need its own software, but it's saved in a big way largely because it's not 3 planes being produced for 19 customers. It's 1 plane being produced for 1 customer.
>>64537523You are interfacing with hardware at very low latency, this isn't techbro webdev javascript slop
>>64537523>Boeing softwareI predict 50% of pilots will spontaneously eject from their planes because of the time being set to the wrong timezone.
Pretty good I would say with all the China concern coming from the Pentagon.
>>64537523USAF learned their lesson and requires the software IP rights be owned by the USAF, so they can always hire out to a different company for software development longer term if they decided it made sense.
Lol Boeing still better than any west taiwan aerospace company.
>>64537589I thought this was bullshit but then I realized it's actually true and a really important part of the program. Government doing something good with development for once.>The Air Force ensures cost control on NGAD by driving continuous competition for air vehicles, mission systems, software, and by mandating the use of a government-owned reference architecture. We are also changingthe way we execute highly complex acquisition programs by taking a hands-on approach to digital engineering that accelerates prototyping, drives efficiencies in manufacturing, and reduces costs in operations and sustainment.https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115610/witnesses/HHRG-118-AS25-Wstate-MooreR-20230329.pdf
>>64537954Yeah, USAF is unironically poised to make a big comeback with the F-47 and B-21, assuming no major issues pop up.
>>64537966Just in time for Great Peer Competition. The day that we see F-22s, F-47s, B-2s and B-21s fly in the same theater will be such a kino one.
>>64537583Locksneed sure loves to leak
>>64538693Guess it's a good thing they didn't win the NGAD contract.
If they do make an F-47, the pilots will be obligated to have their callsigns be the names of lolis.
>>64528684>We already know that the F-47 is in final productionwe also knew back in 2020 that it was already flyingturns out it was all bullshit incarnate so no we dont know jack shit
>>64540099>turns out it was all bullshit incarnateUhh source?There has never been evidence there WEREN'T flying NGAD prototypes. Claiming they were "bullshit incarnate" is going to require more than a "trust me bro".
>>64540107https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/their own damn spokesman said so and they didnt had a fucking design chosen up untill trump got in office
>>64540123... That says the exact opposite of what you're claiming.ESL?
>>64540099>>64540123https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4131094/statement-by-chief-of-staff-of-the-air-force-gen-david-allvin-on-the-usaf-ngad/>Despite what our adversaries claim, the F-47 is truly the world’s first crewed sixth-generation fighter, built to dominate the most capable peer adversary and operate in the most perilous threat environments imaginable. For the past five years, the X-planes for this aircraft have been quietly laying the foundation for the F-47 — flying hundreds of hours, testing cutting-edge concepts, and proving that we can push the envelope of technology with confidence. These experimental aircraft have demonstrated the innovations necessary to mature the F-47’s capabilities, ensuring that when we committed to building this fighter, we knew we were making the right investment for America.>While our X-planes were flying in the shadows, we were cementing our air dominance – accelerating the technology, refining our operational concepts, and proving that we can field this capability faster than ever before. Because of this, the F-47 will fly during President Trump’s administration.?
>>64540099>>64540123lol you have no idea how the R&D and procurement works>Secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall announced on June 1, 2022 that NGAD program technologies have matured enough to allow the program to move to the engineering, manufacture, and design phase of development.>Boeing’s confidence was evident, having started construction on its new advanced production facility in St. Louis nearly two years ago [in 2023], well in advance of the March 2025 contract award.>A strong point of the Boeing proposal, which won the EMD contract on March 21, 2025, was its level of maturity. This digital-twin modeling allows engineers to predict manufacturing issues before physical testing begins, which is one reason officials believe Boeing can deliver faster and more effectively.>People will be surprised by how fast you see the F-47 flying. We're positioned to move quickly—we're 100 percent resourced and ready to deliver on an accelerated timeline that matches the Air Force's urgency.>In the few short months since we made the [F-47] announcement, they are already beginning to manufacture the first article. We’re ready to go fast.https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-releases-statements?item=131264&hl=en-UShttps://simpleflying.com/real-reason-boeing-building-f-47-stealth-fighter-not-lockheed/?hl=en-UShttps://news.usni.org/2022/06/24/report-to-congress-on-air-force-next-generation-air-dominance-programhttps://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2025/8/29/f47-will-hit-skies-faster-than-normal-says-boeing-exec
>>64540205NGAD got delayed for more than a year simply because of muh drone, muh manned fighter obsolete. Then sleepy joe had to kick the can down to orange man and we lost another 6 months because it would get canceled by trump if joe picked it
>>64540216At least Boeing probably was still going full speed with software due to >>64537954 so we didn't lose as much time even if metal wasn't being bent
>>64540223Boeing was also going full steam ahead on the new production facility during the program freeze.So even if they weren't given the greenlight on production due to the freeze, they still likely continued with software groundwork and production tooling/processes for the eventual production facility.
>>64540216>>64540223>>64540281This is what the airforce said during the delay> we continued collaborating with industry to aggressively mature critical technologies and accelerate innovationSo yeah, sounds like nothing really stopped during the program review, just the contract winner wasn't announced, but based on Boeing's investments during that time, they either knew they were going to win, or made a very bold bet that paid off.
>>64540357They lost the JSF because Locksneed showed up to the prototype demonstration with a practically complete aircraft while Boing waited to get the government R&D money before doing any development. They're not about to repeat that mistake.
>>64540365The game back then was just different.The government actually forbade the JSF competitors from spending their own money on R&D and turning it into a "money war" that could bankrupt one (or both) of the companies.
>>64540390Lockheed's plane was already flying before the program even started.
>>64540136>That says the exact opposite of what you're claiming.>We’ve already built and flown a full-scale flight demonstrator in the real world, and we broke records in doing it>Exact opposite
>>64540472>>64540099>we also knew back in 2020 that it was already flying>turns out it was all bullshit incarnate>We’ve already built and flown a full-scale flight demonstrator in the real world, and we broke records in doing itYes, these are opposite things.You can't say the flying prototypes were bullshit incarnate while also saying that full-scale flight demonstrators were breaking records.
>>64529975Indians flew planes into AWACs. You can't unfuck that with wunderwaffe.
>>64540497>You can't say the flying prototypes were bullshit incarnate while also saying that full-scale flight demonstrators were breaking records.explain to us how did they had prototypes flying while they didnt had a single design chose till trump was in office THIS year?
>>64540732
>>64540732This nigga retarded
>>64540365>>64540463I love how the circumstances have been completely flipped this time round
>>64541427Lockheed already has the F-35 $$ to tide them over AND had a complete monopoly on 5th generation fighters, the US wants their other prime contractors to get $$ and experience with high-end fighters.Hence Boeing gets NGAD and Northrup likely gets F/A-XX.They would've needed to present a massively better platform to win that competition.
>>64541449Northrop also has B-21 in case FA-XX gets canceled. Honestly, the difference between a fighter and a bomber seems to get smaller every day. Stealth and sensors are the most important things for all front line combat aircraft, and range and payload seem to be eclipsing speed and maneuverability even for fighters.
>>64541488Yeah and Boeing also has the KC-46, E-7A, F-15EX, P-8A, etc.If anyone needs a bone it was Northrop. It also keeps Lockheed and Boeing from having a duopoly on fighter aircraft development.Northrop has only gotten to do UAVs and bombers lately, giving them F/A-XX ensures they don't entierly lose their ability to do fighter aircraft. Besides, they have the most experience with carrier-launched aircraft (A-6, C-2, E-2).
>>64540881not him but calling him retarded while arguing prototypes existed without a proper cmd is just beyond stupid i would have said cope harder but i wont go that far yet
>>64528684Production numbers are winding down because they're getting ready for their next major upgrade. Hard to build dozens more fighters when you're trying to upgrade the hundreds already flying.>“We are moving forward and moving out on applying all the technologies that we developed for our NGAD bid onto our embedded base of F-35 and F-22,” explained Taiclet. “I feel that we can have, again, 80% of the capability potentially at 50% of the cost per unit aircraft by taking the F-35 chassis and applying numerous advanced technologies, some of which are already in process in Block 4 and F-35.”https://theaviationist.com/2025/04/23/lockheed-martin-plans-supercharged-f-35/
>>64542773Another take:>The TR-3 upgrade is considered essential because it provides the technical basis for Block 4, which Lockheed executives have characterized as “the most aggressive upgrade of any fighter in history.”TR-3 is finished but needs final Gov approval. TR-3 is essential to enable the Block 4 upgrade which will enable:>F135 Engine Core Upgrade for increased power and thermal demands, improving thrust and cooling efficiency by 50 percent>New radar >New core processor with 25 times more computing power>Missile integration (AIM-260, Meteor, AARGM-ER, JSM)>New low-observable coatings>New Distributed Aperture System >New laser-based infrared countermeasureHard to rush into F-47 when you can continue to outmatch China with "80% of the capability potentially at 50% of the cost">https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/aerospace-news/2025/breaking-news-lockheed-martin-completes-tr-3-upgrade-to-turn-the-f-35-into-an-even-deadlier-stealth-fighter-jet
>>64542796dircm?hahahahahahah so the very thing they mocked russia on putting at the su 57 now they are gonna get it too?
>>64542873That cause the 101KS-O hung off the plane like my left nutsack. The LAIRCM will be conformally integrated into the airframe as part of the AN/ASQ-239 system.
>>64541449>>64541488>>64542520>>64542520When is this shit gonna get announced
>>64543001yeah sure thing so you either dont know that it needs moveable turret or you are just shitposting its going to be another eots
>>64543111I'll be honest, I don't care about the public announcement as long as it's still getting worked on.
>>64543247You notice how it's housed in a polygonal sapphire case, not a round glass ball?
>>64543885please tell me that you are suggesting that the shape of the glass somehow prevents scattering please do it
>>64544312No anon, he's saying the sapphire polygonal shape keeps the RCS low.Whereas the bulbous 101KS-O sticks out and causes a larger radar return.
>>64544346jesus christ we actually peaked they are suggesting glass helps with lowering rcs hertz is gonna start rolling on his grave
>>64542796>Increasing thrust... by 50%I'm calling bullshit.
>>64544394>>64542873Desperate zig
>>64544394Anon are you actually retarded?No one is saying glass helps to lower RCS, what we're saying is a low observable shape like a flattened polyhedron using glass/sapphire (or some transparent composite) to cover the housing of the DIRCM is going to be FAR better than the implementation Russia uses on the SU-57 where it's a spherical turret totally exposed.The DIRCM for the US is likely ALSO a spherical turret, and simply sits underneath the polyhedron cover which reduces the radar cross section compared to a bare spherical turret.
>>64544451please anon dont try to give him a way out of his stupidityno the shape literally has no effect on anything because its GLASS and GLASS has no effect on radiation at all the sole reason they have sapphire glass on it and on sniper xr is 1)its ir transparent2)its VERY HARD to scratch
>>64544679Glass is exactly the wrong material to use because it's semi-transparent to radar. Now the radar just goes through the glass and bounces off the metal turret.
>>64544679you know you remind me of something sony did years ago i dont know if you remember but they released a camera in the 90s with an big ir sensor on it but they forgot to add the coating to the sapphire glass the result was that you could see through literally everything that was 2cm thickthe term chikan started exactly because of this because people modded the lenses into bags and suitcases and were recording woman on the tokyo metro
>>64546730Didn't Sony accidentally do the exact same thing with one of their phones in the late 2010s
>>64548409Samsung, I think
>>64544404It says>thrust and cooling efficiencyNot thrust.You know in that other thread where I said niggas need to go tell their community college they need remedial English classes? You're one of them.
>>64548586The only reasonable way to read that is "increases thrust by 50% and cooling efficiency by 50%." The other options are "increases thrust efficiency by 50% and cooling efficiency by 50%" which is obviously not it because "thrust efficiency" is meaningless, or "increases thrust (by any amount) and cooling efficiency by 50%" which is a cleverly phrased way to say nothing while implying massive gains.
>>64548601Another reasonable way to read that is >increases thrust,>and cooling efficiency by 50%And you could've just looked around about the F135 ECU upgrade and found that thrust is claimed to be improved 4%
>>64548722That is neither the most straightforward reading of the phrase nor the most straightforward way to convey that fact, and I suspect it was intentionally written that way in order to imply much greater gains. Thank you for the actual performance figure; I did in fact look it up and didn't find any specific claims.
>>64548722You aren't wrong, but the standard implication is that BOTH are increased by 50%
>>64548751>>64548754My next question is did you take "cooling efficiency" to mean a direct 50% increase in cooling capacity.Sorry that English is just so hard :(
>>64548988No, since cooling efficiency isn't the same thing as cooling capacity. An increase in cooling efficiency could mean either reducing the difference between the observed and theoretical cooling capacity or reducing the power lost to running the cooling system. In either case a 50% increase is not unreasonable and won't have a massive effect on the performance of the aircraft as a whole.
>>64529504>>64529514what specs? they haven't even confirmed if the J20 can go supersonic yet
>>64528684The F-47 is going to be in full production and the US taxpayer is going to find out we've been making these since 2022, in 2028 when we finally get the reveal, and the Chinese will find out about it in 2027 when they're blowing up their "6th gen" shitters by the dozens
>>64549067>has to run away to mommy retardgptHilarious.
>>64549417I'm sorry for having half a brain and a basic understanding of the English language. Next time I'll just blindly believe the misleading marketing.
>>64549334>The F-47 is going to be in full production and the US taxpayer is going to find out we've been making these since 2022,So now there is not just a sekret US spase program, there are also sekrit factories with thousands of sekrit workers and peasants making supah-sekret stealth jets that are so stealthy that you cant even see them. I mean, there has to be some kind of limit to the bullshit if it is to be even remotely believable.
>>64549572I mean we probably have been making them since 2022..... but that first one probably took most of the time since then and LRIP won't start till next year when the factory opens up. I mean when did the B-21 start production on the first model.
>>64549907>I mean when did the B-21 start production on the first modelIt was confirmed in production by mid 2019
>>64549334I mean I'm super optimistic but realistically it only entered production this year. The only 'trump cards' we can pull out of our hat are black projects that don't even have a public name.
>>64549425>Dishonest 50%
>>64528727Trvke
>>64536344>demonstratorsPowerpoint presentations.>It will be an insane overmatch either way.J-36s and J-50s are indeed an insane overmatch against powerpoint presentations kek
I didn't know the USMC had F35Cs
>>64554564They operate from CVNs as well as the USN's non-catapult flattops.For LHD/LHAs they use the F-35B.For CVNs they use the F-35C (or more often at the moment, the F/A-18E/F)
>>64554564They have more than the USN. The Navy spent all their money on boats and need the Marines to outfit them.
>>64554611No they don't they're about equal at the moment.Both the USMC and USN have ~60 F-35Cs (Marines are ~50-60, Navy are ~60-70)And in the long term, the navy plans to buy a lot more.The (current) total airframes projected are:USN:273 F-35CUSMC:140 F-35C280 F-35BThe USMC originally planned on ~350 F-35Bs, but reduced that to 280 while boosting the original plan for ~65-70 F-35Cs to the current 140 F-35C plan.So while the USMC will in the end operate more TOTAL F-35s, the USN will operate more F-35Cs.
>>64554620It's still a testament to how fucked Navy procurement is.
>>64540732fuck it I'll bitethey built prototypes of all the entries, genius
>>64555865He's just upset they're calling them prototypes when strictly speaking, going by previous fighter programs, they're flying demonstrators or X-planes, and the REAL prototypes are the planes currently being built.At least that's his (retarded) argument.
This is more 5th gen than any west taiwain design.
>>64529504They're probably not entirely lying this time around.
>>64555984The 2015 FC-31 was a cargo cult shell from those documents. The J-35 today is not any better. Sure, it has everything on the surface, but none of the non-federated integration that the F-35 has. The J-20 is a bigger threat even if it's stealth is dogshit.
>>64549572>I mean, there has to be some kind of limit to the bullshit if it is to be even remotely believable.There is not.You are talking to kids who grew up on discovery channel documentaries hammering into their brain how everything made in the US is THE BEST simply because it is made in the US OF A and anything made in the US OF A is best because it is made in the US OF A obviously.These people are brainwashed and they would still claim superiority even if every single american fighter got shot down by a single enemy fighter.
>>64556024>singles out the one unga bunga ITT ignoring everyone else Go have a meltie somewhere else.
>>64556024 Nice cope there.
