*explodes*
>>64531441>we need a bomber that can carry thousands of kgs of bombs Sure thing!>it needs at least 3 manned turrets Can do!>needs to have a ridiculously high ceiling Well, kinda pushing it>also needs to be a dive bomberFucking why?
using four engines isn't ubermenschen or something
>>64531462>Fucking why?What was with Hitler's incessant need for every airframe to be capable of low level/dive bombing
>>64531470>Hitler'sGoering's*
>>64531467Well it did sort of have four engines. It's just that two of them were coupled together driving a single propeller shaft
>>64531502i mean nacelles
>>64531470If you know nothing about aeronautical science it probably seems like a good idea. After all, why have a plane that can only do one thing when some minor* modifications can let it do multiple tasks? Thats just efficiency there
>>64531462really cannot be overstated what genuine retards Hitler and Goering were.
>>64531514seethe you fucking kike.
>>64531441When the RAF needed a dive bomber the big boys stood up.If you really want fo fcuk someone up there's nothing quite like a tallboy in the face.
>>64531528
>>64531462>also needs to be a dive bomberA heavy dive bomber? That's badass. Did it work?
>>64531517Uh oh, the brown man is mad.
>>64531441The He 177 is one of my favorite bombers of the war, just for how much of a disaster it was. It's a shame that none were preserved. I saw one of the engines on display at Flugwerft Schleissheim, just outside Munich. I genuinely wonder what was going through the minds of the engine designers at BMW when they made this monstrosity?
>>64531583>I genuinely wonder what was going through the minds of the engine designersmeth
>>64531560It couldn't do horizontal flight on a good day.Self imolation was its party piece.
We're going to need an escort figh-
>>64531583>I genuinely wonder what was going through the minds of the engine designers at BMW when they made this monstrosity?A lot of the late-war german designs (im looking you, Blohm&Voss) was a combination of "dear god lets design something so they dont send me to a trench in Kursk" and "sweet mother of god this meth is making me taste colors"
>>64531517scoreboard
>>64531589Nobody tell him to add that metre back in.
>>64531441it's supposed to explode
>>64531610now this is podracing
>>64531477Udet's*>Be Goering>Convince a fighter pilot turned barnstormer to join the party (You buy him a plane and booze in return)>Put him in charge of aircraft acquisition>He thinks the whole diveboming thing is cool>It works pretty well in Spain >He demands more, way more>Your heavy bombers now need to be able to do it >Eh we didn't have too much trouble in Poland, let's ask Ernst what he thinks>Oh, he's a huge alcoholic now >Also he killed himself and blamed you in the note>Your acquisitions are all fucked up and it's too late to undo because you're now in a multi-front war against the UK and USSR (and soon to be US)
>>64531610
>>64531617>How can we kill a 17 year old Volkssturm-pilot using the stuff we have laying out behind the shed?
>>64531632the 162 did that well enough already
>"Gentlemen, I bring to you our answer to the Mosquito">"Sir, the only factory making specialized glue for this plane just got bombed by the RAF.">"Not to worry, Werner, this other factory claims they can produce a similar glue for our Moskito.">Falls apart in-flight
>>64531462>Fucking why?Because it was Germany's air doctrine. You may as well ask "What's with Germany's obsession with tank destroyers?"
>>64531462the luftwaffe's goal was to support ground vehicles, not waste time on shitty, war-winning strategic bombers.
>>64531664>war-winning strategic bombers.>don't win any wars
>>64531665sorry for barney rocking
>>64531610That would have been voted the least favourable posting after an Me163.
>>64531665>go back in time to late 41>toss brick through Allied bomber commands window >"USE DROP TANKS - FOCUS OIL TARGETS">war in Europe ends in 44
>>64531634Yeah you see attitude like that wont win you the war
>>64531692why were they so autistic? It's scary desu
>>64531702They're germans, their toilets have a shelf to observe their poop before flushing.
>>64531702see >>64531591
>>64531684Oddly American doctrine forbid drop tanks on fighters. It didn't stop manufacturers from fitting for but not with British drop tanks.Someone woke up one day and got the message.
>>64531684>>64531726WE DONT NEED THOSE FANCY PANTSY DROP TANKS FUCK OFF LIMEY THE BOMBER WILL ALWAYS COME TROUGH
>>64531716Poop inspection shelf is a thing.I guess things that visibly survive digestion is/was a cultural issue.
>64531517No (You) for you, my possibly brown friend. How about you post a photo of your dominant hand holding a firearm currently in your possesion?
>>64531560only once
>>64531550>slaps Tallboy>This thing can kill *so* many germans
Reminder that the B-29 was horribly unreliable as well. >The most common cause of maintenance headaches and catastrophic failures was the engines. Although the Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone radial engines later became a trustworthy workhorse in large piston-engined aircraft, early models were beset with dangerous reliability problems. This problem was not fully cured until the aircraft was fitted with the more powerful Pratt & Whitney R-4360 "Wasp Major" in the B-29D/B-50 program, which arrived too late for World War II.But only the first 3,970 planes had this issue. Meanwhile the He 177 had its reliability problems fixed after the 173th plane built (He 177A-3). But don't let me stop you whining about how unreliable it was.
>>64531441>File: 1763411910742889.pngIt's only a model.
>>64531793Wrong.B-29's engine problems were nothing compared to the He 177.>"reliability problems" <--unattributed larppastaslopEarly versions of the powerful new 3350 engine had cylinder head temperature issues in the closely-cowled nacelles (which were probably the biggest design flaw of B-29). Other engine nacelle designs (including the so-called "Andy gump" configuration) were tried with better airflow cooling characteristics that, in addition to R-3350 engineering component improvements on Curtiss-Wright production line, solved the first-year-of-deployment Superfortress engine fire problems.>muh R-4360where did (You) get that slop-pasta? The R-4360 was a totally separate project for what was initially designated the B-29D and XB-44; the engine was also main powerplant for the XB-36. Much larger and heavier engine requiring new aluminum airframe structural material in what became the B-50.the R-3350 engined B-29 served the USAF for decades following 1944-45, in several roles beyond strategic bomber including weather recon and aerial refuelling tanker for jet aircraft.
>>64531510Does sparky have a thing for turboshaft torture porn?That poor Allison 250...
>>64531793What was changed on the other 177s?
>>64531702
>>64531850Changing from the DB606 to DB610 and many other minor improvements made it infinitely more reliable than the A-1 variant.
>>64531885I can see that it also reworked some of the cooling systems to be less fire prone. Still, the entire concept seems flawed. Because it was built around a divebombing requirement. Like if they just turned it into a conventional 4-engine designs then it could have worked a bit better. Of course, by 1941-2 when that requirement was ditched, Germany already failed to bomb the UK into submission.
>>64531617Ah yes, from the "Thing's I built in Kerbal Space Program whilst drunk" collection of aeronautics
>>64531716>der poopenfartenduckGermany why are you like this.
>>64531560It dived then it bombed.
>>64531735There are people who wipe sitting down and don't look back to see their shit before flushing.
It's understandable that the UK also tried and failed to build a twin-engine bomber with the same payload capacity as a heavy bomber. However, it's strange that the US XB-42 was successful up to the test flight stage without any particular engine modifications.
>>64531998My shits are so violent and massive that I usually completely fill the bottom of the bowl. I FELT that horror leave me, I have no desire to look at kit.
>>64531462>>64531470it was thought only dive bombing could deliver any payload with accuracy, which was correct. The US tried fancy targeting computers and bombing sights, the Brits massive payloads and number of bombers to saturation bomb.Germany didn't really have the resources for any of the latter solutions so they stuck to dive-capable bombers for better effect. >>64531583The thing with the He177 Greif was that it could've been an actual 4 engine high payload true strategic bomber but the divebombing requirement prevented that. Had Göring not been popping so many vicodin pills all day he could've at least put in Hitler's hands something like 1100 strategic bombers by 1943, which would've been a real pain in the ass for the UK to deal with if they had kept doing night bombing.
>"You are what you choose to be.">ÜBERMENSCH :3>*EXPLOSION*
>>64532192We have Ohka at home.
>>64531441>You see, Kameraden, die Amerikaner cannot shoot our planes down if our planes blow up before they can be intercepted!
>>64532192Melted my sides. Your post was amusing too.
>>64532266Explains Jap flammability. This is why they invented "bullet-hell" BTW.
>>64532287IRL Touhou with permadeath.
>>64532287People don't understand that kamikazee missions weren't a one-way ticket. You're supposed to return, you just weren't expected to. You were expected to fly level with your torpedo in a predictable line against that.
>>64531441it catches fire no more often than any other 3000 hp engined bomber.altho they could have just built a v16 or v24 engine with less effort.>>64531462>dive bomberto support the army directly though interdiction.also this one drunk stunt pilot thinks its a good idea.
>>64531462to be fair the accuracy of late 1930s stuka dive bombers was pretty incredible, and this was happening at a time when bomb accuracy was just fucking poor and entire airfields would be completely missed often in bombing runs by both sidesIt worked quite well with the luftwaffe strikes against allied ships, they definitely sunk more doing dive bombing than any other form of attack on shipsyou can definitely see why luftwaffe command though this tech was the path to victorythe problem was just these aircraft were all too slow and got massacred the moment allied fighters were up in the air, they had a good idea with the arado jet dive bomber but it needed to be manufactured 2 years earlier at a production of like a thousand
>>64531563how did you get this picture of me
>>64532816Your mom gave it to me last night.
>>64532287All them VT fuses.
>>64532000Mosquito could carry as much as B17 over the same distance. What part of this is failed to...
>>64534056Mosquito was more of a multirole aircraft than a pure bomber.
>>64531591It is the mark of a true and purely midwit mind to believe that innovative and genius design requires lots of drugs to produce.
>>64531560>Did it work?That wasn't included in the project requirements.
>>64531980>der poopenfartenduckI had a hearty kek to this
>>64532192>the fuel melts people and also likes to explode if anyone looks at it funny>7.5 minutes of powered flight>cannons are very low velocity and unusable past short range>there's no fucking landing gear>but god is it fast
>>64531591>Blohm&Voss
>>64534290>expodes mid-flight>melt pilot>spontaneously catches fire>falls apart when trying to turn>crush pilot by ejecting him through canopy>amputating pilot's arms while ejecting>sufocating pilot with engine fumes>all of the above in random order>innovative and genius designHmmm...
>>64534413Skill issue.
>>64534413Where the fuck are you getting all this shit about dangerous ejection seats? The Me163 never had an ejection seat. Poor construction, a dangerous engine, and even more dangerous fuels, yes. But no ejection seat.
>>64534388The fact this not only flies, but flies well, is insane.
>>64531583>I genuinely wonder what was going through the minds of the engine designers at BMW when they made this monstrosity?Combination of chocolate meth, prime aryan pussy, and trying to find ways to stay at the factory so that they can't send you to the russian front. It's not as if your coworkers will rat you out, they are doing the same. And the military doesn't know better, they see a big machine that looks impressive and have large numbers on paper. It's actual crap? Blame the factory workers for fucking it up.
>>64534437>Where the fuck are you getting all this shit about dangerous ejection seats?Pic related>initializing ejection procedure required pushing or pulling four different buttons or levers in correct sequence and with correct timing>they are located in different places in the cockpit>no safeguards whatsoever against doing it in the wrong order or too fast/slow>if botched, it could catapult pilot: >a) by an explosive disintegration of pressurized air tank used to power the ejection seat>b) through canopy still in place, or>c) right into rear propeller, or>d) so he will collide with aft vertical stabilizer, or>e) tear-amputate both his arms with edges of the windshield>at least 3 documented cases of everything from a) to e) hapening are knownTruly gem of German late-war innovation
>>64534531Despite that the Do-335 is one of the coolest planes of the war. The fact that it even HAD an ejection seat that early in time is crazy.
>>64534531Could the Germans make a single plane that didn't kill their pilots due to autism
>>64534868Yes. It just killed the pilots as intended.
>>64534531How much more gains did that pusher propeller give it?
>>64534977Quite a bit. It gives you the power of a twin with the drag of a single.A Skyraider sized single but a single none the less.
>>64535004Why did no one else use it then?
>>64534210So the RAF had a multi role aircraft that could carry as much payload as a dedicated American bomber.I wonder if the American wonder bomber needed escort fighters and someone to locate their target for them.
>>we need a bomber that can carry thousands of kgs of bombs>Done.>>it needs at least 3 manned turrets>Done.>>needs to have a ridiculously high ceiling>Done.>>also needs to be a dive bomber>Voila.
>>64535007Everyone else was winning.
>>64531628Milch's*
>>64535013A Lancaster could be used to dive bomb. 617 were game to try pretty much anything to get the job done.
>>64535049Built different.
>>64534868Instructions unclear, here's another design for the Pilot Blender 5000.
>>64535450Pretty long nose for an anti-semitic plane.
>>64531462Shipping.
>>64535470I ship Hess and Röhm.
>>64534290You are fucking retarded. You think you are intelligent but you are belligerently ignorant, narrow minded and asinine.
>>64531998Subhumans. I usually inspect the toilet paper after the first and last wipe. Both visually and by scent.
>>64535503>he doesn't taste it to make surepleb.
>>64534388Wouldn't this be better if the cockpit was centered though? What's the advantage to making a flying wing design asymmetrical?
>>64535450>putting the props literally right behind the fucking cockpitTactical advantage of guaranteeing that your pilot will get chopped up like from some poorly translated early account of the Holocaust if he has to bail out?
>>64534379its 30 mins not 7stupid juden.lel
>>64535615Saves money on future Luftwaffe pensions.
>>64535615Supposedly, there was to be a button to push that would blast the propellers off in case of emergency. The practicality of having to remember to push that first during a bailout process, or how reliable it would be, was not addressed. As I recall, the design was basically a proposal by Daimler Benz for a single-seat fighter capable of mounting the fuckhuge DB 609 engine they were cooking up before that got canceled in favor of the 603.
>>64535599The BV 141 was designed as a recon plane, and in that case having the pilot's outwards view to the front be totally unobstructed was a unique advantage. I'm sure landing was a little awkward though.
>>64535007it puts lots of static weight aft of the wings main spar, this makes the pitch axis less responsive.and the aft fuselage has to be made stronger to resist torsional forces from the rear engine.rear engines are harder to keep cool.contra rotating props have some reliability problems, mainly the oil seals.
>>64535046Actually curious, what role did he play?
>>64531912Remember though that except for the larger-displacement piston engines (such as the liquid cooled sleeve valve Napier Sabre) which would come along after 1942, other aircraft designs in U.K. and USA were using 1930s-era 'doubled' and 'X' engine concepts such as the original Avro Manchester (that later evolved in to the 4-engine Lancaster) with its twin Rolls Royce Vultures.There was also Republic's XP-47H with its Chrysler 16-cylinder inverted-V, also used in Curtiss' XP-60C, Lockheed's H-configuration XH-2470 in the Vultee XP-54, and the Allison V-3420 (essentially two V-1710s on common crankcase) installed in the XB-19, XB-39, XP-58 Chain Lightning and Fisher P-75 Eagle
>>64531510>tank threads and helicopter blades on a relatively small frameA weapon to out landscape Metal Gear?
>>64532192Having fun is more important than being practical.
>>64538262That's the Blohm und Voss company motto.
>>64535450doesnt look like theres a lot of room between the prop and the ground for takeoff and landing
>>64534531Allied planes didn't have ejection seats at all at that point
>>64531716what is the actual reason for this?
>>64532212>lunge mine suicide anti-tank weapons>kamikaze suicide planes>shinyo suicide boats>banzai suicide charges >Okha suicide rockets>suicide torpedos
