Rollout of the first production Leopard 2A8s took place today at KNDSLeopard 2A8s are brand new production tanks that will be in service with a number of European nations, supplementing and replacing older generations of Leopard 2 that have been upgraded from old hulls from 2A4 through to 2A7 standard
>>64537320>>64537323>>64537327>>64537333sex
>>64537333So when two Leos pass each other on the road do they flash their lights at each other? Pop some smoke? Fire the co-ax?
Does it have a viable cannon launched loitering munition yet?
>>64537352>French cope
>>64537373How many tank battles do you think are going to happen in Europe?
> no enhanced anti drone slat armor aka "convivial cage"> no bullfrog RWSbruh... are they expecting to just dodge drones?
>>64537320They make new-build hulls in Greece, right? Or is there also a hull plant in Germany?
>>64537320As useless without shells as the 2A7s were
>>64537463> They make new-build hulls in Greece, right?Yes, turrets too. > Or is there also a hull plant in Germany?Nope, KNDS tried but cant find workers + setting up shop with the right tooling etc is impossible. A lot of the designers and people responsible for the tooling are retired or dead. The only thing that’s happening in Germany (Kassel to be exact) is the installation of systems inside of the turret like FCS and other electronics/optronics.
>>64537500>Nope, KNDS tried but cant find workers + setting up shop with the right tooling etc is impossible. A lot of the designers and people responsible for the tooling are retired or dead. The only thing that’s happening in Germany (Kassel to be exact) is the installation of systems inside of the turret like FCS and other electronics/optronics.Wtf, really? German regulations or some shit? Why don't they just send people to Greece to be trained.
>>64537450Professional, non-subhuman armies have this thing called functional EW and proper armor
>>64537517Well yeah, but We're talking about the German military here.
>>64537333The Norwegian one is fitted with extended side protection and a Laser Warning System
>>64537463Turret and chassis structure has been made by METKA in greece since the greek HEL-contract, including the current A8-contract. But KNDS recently bought a manufacturing plant in eastern Germany which will establish production for shit like the turret/chassis structure, along with other products such as Boxer.Probably not up and running before 2027 though, but at this stage the A8-production will quicly be in the 500 vehicles range
>>64537532Also a bumper sticker>I TANKS
>>64537557>Thomas the Tankhave Ringo Star narrate it and i'd watch the shit out of that
>>64537517What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the weapons forum, and I've been involved in numerous threads on k, and I have over 300 confirmed (you)s.
>>64537320Really hope that we (hueland) will pick this one instead of some chinkshit (or worse, the roach tank)
>>64537346before pass: 21 salute shots fired from the main gunduring pass: DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLES IN DER WELT instead of engine soundsafter pass: 2 smoke grenades on each side of turret
>>64537320>Wowzers, another socialist shithole robbing its population dry is buying more obsolete tanks to deploy against Russian Ali express drones. WOW. >And they are so heavily armored, Russians will have to send 2 drones instead of one. 2 drones folks, Superior to Russian shitboxes at 10x the price. Man, fuck the entire MIC. Any army still procuring an MBT today is boomer brained retarded.
>>64537346As per German tank tradition, break down together.
>>64537690brown>>64537517Any ADS is going to be much more important than passive jamming, Trophy isn't the be all end all option but it should be the baseline all newer models should match nowadays. Maybe they're waiting for the US to settle on a system or organic platoon level SHORAD lasers or some shit, but i wouldn't skip individual tank systems.
>>64537338The trophy radars on the cheeks make it look fugly tho, I can't love her anymore. She's grown from a hot 20 yo lady to a disgusting 60 yo hag. It's just a western picrel now...
No APS?That thing wouldn't survive more than 24 hours in a place like ukraine
>>64537320>no APSCan someone tell the Germans that "Protection" on the modern battlefield inherently requires active measures instead of just passive ones?
>>64537778You can literally see the APS in each picture, you HIV-ridden brown monkey
>>64537803>>64537778>can't even recognize the painfully obvious trophy radarswhy even act like you know anything about modern armoured combat?
>>64537809I got hooked into typing "APS" by the poster above me. I blame him.
>>64537761Top picrel always reminded me of Shadow of the Colossus.
>>645377781. Explain how western MBTs survive far more than 24 hours on average in Ukraine.2. How the fuck did you absolute brainlet miss the fucking Trophy radar arrays on the turret cheeks?
when germany gets involved in a war, they will get nuked. So this tank is pretty useless essentiallyThis time Russians won't miss the chance to eradicate the German race off the face of the planet.
>>64537935You haven't nuked ukraine, a non-NATO state. What makes you think you will have the balls to nuke NATO?
>>64537972I'm not Russian, dude. I just state some very obvious facts.
>>64537935
>>64537990
>>64537987And you haven't answered my question. Why would russia nuke germany if it doesn't nuke ukraine?
>>64537990just think, who is going to nuke Russia back just because Russia killed some 40-50 million germans?The British?The French?Americans?you seriously believe their word? kek
>>64537320best tank on earthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0HELLO HONEY I'M BAAACK
>>64537999>The British?>The French?>Americans?>you seriously believe their word? kekYes. They are not Russian or Chinese and have honour. Alien technology to you.
>>64537997Uh, because they are brother nations, speaking the same language, believing the same god and having the same race. This aint the case with germany
>>64538005If the British and Americans had any honor, they would directly get involved when Russia took Crimeahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum.
>>64537987>I'm not Russian, dude. I just state some very obvious facts.Yes, you are brown my dudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFl3LMeXNuUPrepare your village for European colonial administraton. It is the true solution to brown immigration. Scheduled organised work will make you free, free from all vice, free from choice and free from bothering civilisation.
>>64537378Five.
>>64538010Britian supported Ukraine. The USA supported Ukraine.You? You shilled for third worked dicators and that scum in the kremlin.
>>64538026I'm not talking about donating some weapons from NATO junkyard. They were supposed to directly get involved, but they didn't. Because they had no honor. Very much like the Russians.
>>64537378>How many tank battles do you think are going to happen in Europe?European arms will be primarily utilised to resore order in the sources of brown immigration and muster any natural resources there for an eviromentally friendly future. There will be work and daily food for all local inhabitants, order, clean pavements and impartial and perfectly organised administraton. Work will make them free from their squalor and chaos with a firm Euroepan hand on their shoulder to guide them..WEEEE'RRRRREEEE BAAAACK
>>64538037Oh they supllied satellite data, money and all forms of assistance. As regards honour, its a European concept, utterly alien to you but not the Americans who sprang from Europeans .
>>64537465>pidorstanian is talking about shellsYour artillery production status?
>>64537333This gets me hard in a way such as the Joy of a European harvest might as the farmers sing in their labour to the glory of the European peoples and their brotherhood. .
>>64538054>As regards honour, its a European concept Ukrainians experienced this famous European honor from very firsthand, now they lost their nation as a whole.it would be better for ukies if they had trusted their nukes instead of that european honor
>>64538076The brave Ukrainans have disarmed the Russian tyrant and their full and total victory is assured, since the 450 million peoples of the EU with their economy over twelve times the size of Europe rejoice in their progress to full statehood liberated from kremlin tyranny. Just as you will have to samile and clap and European forces arrive to impose order and effeciency in your village. There will be toilets and organised labour and discipline until you are deemed fit to some limited role in administering your ancestral beads and windowless huts again in future generations.
Encouraging European rearmament is like standing naked enouraging a serial killer with scalpel to increase his souvenir collection while the serial killer says he done with all that and just wants a sleepy.
>>64538107Those of brown persuasion can't comprehend the fact that Europeans are afraid of war not because they will lose, but because the genie was barely contained in the bottle, and releasing it would be disastrous. If Europe is good at one thing, it's war.
>>64537320https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSvS4LY26Yg>Please please rearm Europe they said and then for no reason at all Europe did.
How many Saddams can you fit, compared to the A7?>>64537327>that dainty feet upSEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOOOOO
>>64537517>Professional, non-subhuman armies have this thing called functional EW and proper armorgood look going up against fibre-optic FPVs that are unaffected by EW
>>64538124>good look going up against fibre-optic FPVs that are unaffected by EWGood luck keeping your troops alive at fibre optic distance against a non-lowtech army.Ukraine and Russia for the vast majority use USSR stuff, not modern tech. The war is not a good example of what such a conflict would look like. Nearing 4 years of SMO, and Russia still does not control the airspace. Stealth fighters would control it day 1. Just to put things into perspective.
>>64538113No offense to our American friends who also at heart love a good war but Europe invented everything from the corps system, to total nation war, modern artillery, the tank, the jet fighter to the firearm and field ambulance. When Europe wakes and arms, the world shakes and nations vanish and the browns throw their arms in despair and whail to their heathen shrines believing it is the end of the world,.
>>64538124Good luck against European nerve agents on your drone operators delivered by tank volley fire from outside your drones range. Europeans don't do war nicely like Americans who are at heart, kind gentle and compassionate people. Europeans do war to win because they love it.
>>64538145>Europeans do war to win because they love it.This should be above the doorways on every Schengen Area entry point to Europe.Also, deport all mudslimes and pajeets.And create Fortress Europe once more.
>>64538224Mass immigration amplificatiion is part of Kremlin hybrid warfare, The best way to ensure the destruction of Putin and teh FSB is total Ukranian victoryThe solution to immigration is a powerful European stabalisation force that can be punatively applied to sources of such immigration and bring order, roads, law and cease the flow with self funding mandatory labour and resource harvesting while also facilitating return.If nescessary a European administered belt in regions troubling Europe with mass immigration that also acts as a place to send them back to.To see the work bait Europe into rearming is amazing. They crave Europan order and administratton and a firm hand. They send their immigrants almost as if calling for it.
>>64538224You could allocate administration and fiscal returns from different stabilised administrative regions to nations such as the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy to apply their own diverse administrative mechanisms for stabilising brown regions with large immigrant outflows and ensuring order and ecolological and enviomental harmony with punative semi auromated European weaponry, this ensuring a small administrative manpower requirement and the processing of those sent back withmaximum effeciency. It seems both a moral and practical step at this juncture although the immediate task is full rearmament, militarisation of European youth for their destiny as rulers and the full and unequivocal delivery of Ukranian liberation and the elimination of those responsible for mass immigration amplifation as hybrid warfare in the kremlin.Thye solution is not to simply make Europes borders a fortress but to rule the zones bordering Europe as buffers impmenting peace order and freedom through work in those regions.
>>64538298>>64538266>>64538224https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssFOFrXqNs
European rearmament has only begun, we need to reach this level of output for integrated automated weapons systems scaling from those suitable for punitive execution to assist in stablised region policing and counterinsurgancy through to weapons of mass destruction that can be applied to any potential threat to the European peoples and every step on the force increase ladder in between on land, sea, air and space.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgal5kteYwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXgGihTKAGoWe only wished to live peacefully and be left alone to make nice cars. The world would not leave us alone and screamed at us to rearm. So be it. Let us restore order in the brown man zones of chaos whos immigrants bother us so.
>>64537333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6-6XHnmFtI
>>64538095>There will be toilets and organised labour and disciplineThirdies and browns actually fear this.
>>64538145>Europeans do war to win because they love it.We have proven beyond any doubt that we are way too good at it, and we have also learned that it is better not to do it.This has led some people to believe that Europe has forgotten it, is all fat and nice and happy.Which is WAY nicer for everyone involved. This is what the EU is about, let's be rich and happy together.But the sad truth is that we just avoid it because when we do it, we are too fucking good at it.>>64538312>opus magnum vocat nosYes. And that may just include some removal of the Z.
>>64538408Their fear is a by product of their inept tyrants and primitive cultures, Let there be light, let there be European administration. The weapons systems that ensure this must be effecient, effective and provide a complete spectrum of solutions to disorder or threat and a complete solution for each stage of the force ladder. First use of chemical, nuclear or other weapons against any announced or percieved threat to the European peoples must be the first order and the second order is there shall be liquidation to any individual or group that attempts to disrupt the necessary imposed order and stabalisation in brown regions that are the source of unwelcome immigration. This has always been the destiny of the European peoples as manifested in the past and now following European militarisation and rearmament the new puropse of will. To long have the kindly American cousins bourne the burden of protecting civilisation and kindly attempting to aid the browns living in their own squalor, filth, barbarity and savagery without conscience or morality. Let there be order, work, a daily meal, sanitary conditions and discipline as a resolution to the self imposed chaos that drives unwelcome brown immigation that the kremlin has amplified and co-opted into it's hybrid warfare strategy. First total Ukranian victory and then the greater moral mission of Europe can go forth and pacify and stabalise these brown children and make them free through organised duty and work, food and sleep. Automated and integrated mass produced weapon systems completing the facilitate the destiny of the European to govern and mitigate chaos with minimal manpower through order for those places that export unwelcome immigration. Let there be the European light of golden stars of order in the sky for the lost brown chilren of places that export immigrants to our shores and immediate nuclear sun for those that threaten the European peopleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aSHYRN3AVU
>>64537346The entire crew minus the driver climbs out on top of the tank to salute their opposite numbers as they pass
>>64537346>So when two Leos pass each other on the road do they flash their lights at each other?They raise their primary armament in a roman salute and cycle the breech mechanism sharply of course
>>64537999>surely this time the perfidious anglo will pass up an opportunity to fuck Russia
OMNIS GLORIA ET HONOR POPULIS EUROPAEIS ET EORUM FATI IGNORATIONI. PROFECTE PRO POPULIS EUROPAE ET CIVILIZATIONE. EUROPA EXPERGITE, ARMA SUMITTE, NOVAM VOCATIONEM AD REGENDUM ET PACEM ORDINEMQUE CREANDUM AUDITE. SURGITE, EXPERGITE, LUCEMNEM TENEBRIS AFFERTE ET PUGNUM TOTALIS EXTERITIONIS EIS QUI AUDENT OCULOS NOSTROS CONTINUARE.Automated advanced integrated weapons production along with pacification and stablisation of chaotic brown regions that export immigrants go together with Europe and Europeans like bread and butter. Rest America. It is well deserved you kindly people. A harder less gentle fist is necessary now for the common good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GMG1aLyPwEUROPA LUX MUNDI ASINUS, AD BELLUM ET GAUDIUM!
Stand aside America you kindly gentle old man. Let awakened rearmed Europe do what it does best. War and conquest and imposition of necessary and belificial order on the lost and primitive children of the brown underworld. War is our destiny as much as gerousity and kindness to savage primtives is yours.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exwdOImg0lI
>>64537999If Russia blows its nuclear load on a C-tier target like Germany there's nothing stopping the US from repossessing all of Russia's oil infrastructure.
>>64537999If you think the French are gonna hold back when their best and most important trading partner and a lot of real estate right next to them starts glowing in the dark, you are a fucking moron.>>64538788Also this. But Germany is pretty much the logistics hub right in the center of Europe, so nuking that will get a US response either way.But Russia isn't allowed to use nukes anyway, their new boss Xi said so, lol.
>>64538006Meanwhile in RL Russians won't go 5 min without talking about how all subhuman hohol pigs must die
>>64537935>muh nooksDaddy Xi has already forbidden that to you, ziggie.
>>64537465>muh shellsRheinmetall alone is producing more of those than Russia at this point. Seethe more about it.
>>64538006You are deluded and full of shit.>brother nationsLike Cain and Abel>speaking the same languageNot any more>believing the same godRussia doesn't have any churches, only LLC KGB filias>having the same racemonoculture ethnostate vs post-soviet gulagAnd all that cope and lies just to pretend russia is not pathetic asian whore, but actually scary and strong.
>Leopard 2A8hope they fixed that transmission issue.i love the tank though.>fixing issues with base and gun mountabout time.Note:sorry i won't dig on people who shill Challenger 2's and challenger 3's ,sorry yanksbut fav tanks. its a preference thing.same reason i wouldn't dig on the abarms m1a2 or m1a3but i'll dunk on ma1a1s all day.any shill that defends the m1a1 should be necked.save as any noob to defends the british sks lampa L50 SMGor noobs who defend bullpups unironically in general.
>>64539379Right? How do you account for the "brother wars" narrative and the "nazi pigs" narrative for the same people?
>>64537999Incredibly retarded take. Do you even imagine how many times the scenario "Madman in Kremlin" have been wargamed? Do you really think we are going to arrange a referendum next saturday when the nukes are falling on Europe? Asking opinion of niggers, rednecks and karens is not the way to prevent the nuclear war. Full counter-force response with a counter-value follow-up, without any bluff and warnings - thats the only valid decision based on a game theory that keeps russian nukes in the bay since 1960s and will keep them there forever.
>new MBT for germany>thread is filled with ziggers screaming about niggers and nookesKek
>>64539701Interesting, isn't it.
>>64538124Unlike Russia Europeans can produce air-burts rounds in 25mm and 30mm capable of downing drones without a direct hit.
>>64538124>*bombs your drone unit with a standoff munition*heh, nothing personnel... zigger...
>>64537320Trophy APS looks like?
I hate Russia as much as the next guy, but even with APS and Skyranger support I wouldn't be so sure the Leo 2 would be survivable in a battlefield saturated with droneshope I'm wrong, but stilloverconfidence is a thirdie trait
>>64539730yes
>>64537517Anon >>64537450 is right Bullfrog RWS is must on every AFV today. No objections should be accepted.
>>64537320Fucking 13.7 germoid bias niggerkart
>>64539738If even the Ukranians and Russians aren't putting shit like that on their vehicles on a wide scale then obviously the technology isn't good enough yet. Retards
>>64539758Russian and Ukies can't afford it/don't have the tech
>>64539732Its not actually 'saturated' by drones. You'll notice that there are rarely more than a couple of drones conducting attacks at a time. There are no drone swarms.Its the same problem as concentrating any other equipment in large numbers. It requires a large number of support personel and drone operators relatively close to the front line which makes them easier to uncover and target with artillery, air strikes, your own drones, etc.
>>64537511It's probably less about just training someone but about an entire industrial skillset dying out. You would have to order new tooling and build an entire new factory with it AND train an entire class of workers on very specific and hard to get skills which just went extinct in Germany as it got pushed somewhere else.Think of it this way, you can buy carpentry tools for your garage and be making passable wooden bowls and tables quite easily with minimal training, but if you wanted to build a transmission for your car you would need to find a big enough lathe, bits hard enough for steel, forge to cast the steel and practice for years to gain the precision necessary to do it by hand while the people who knew how to do that and would have been able to teach you how to operate these tools with such precision are arleady dead, the ones who can teach you how a transmission for your car should work are hard to come by, and the designers to make you the 3D files for the parts are expensive to hire so you have to start from scratch or pay someone from abroad millions to bring over an entire workflow. Might as well just buy a new transmission from the factory.You could do it if determined enough, it's just a generational task essentially, and a massive pain in the ass with the regulations yes.
How does the driver get out?
>>64539788Commander or loaders hatch.
>>64537749you must be brown to call out shitlib western leaders ? nice try 3 letter glower
>>64539788Get out? They build the tank around him.
>>64539758It's outside their technological capability.See Allen Control presentation of YouTube. You can't take conventional RWS like CROWS and start shooting drones down, they simply can't aim precise enough against moving target.
>>64539845I don't see what difference there is between a .50 cal CROWS and a Phalanx CIWS besides sensors and volume of fire, surely aiming is a perfectly solvable problem
>>64539758The Russians are still 'developing' 30mm for anti-drone use and will probably continue 'developing' it for the next two decades. They removed the 30mm guns from their pantsirs entierly. Ukraine actually is field testing AD vehicles designed to down drones.
>>64539881There was an image of the Terrahawk Paladin on the front posted recently.
>>64539927>There was an image of the Terrahawk Paladin on the front posted recently.This is that image.
>>64539931>>64539931The Wolf 25 AD is more what I'm talking about. Relatively small vehicle that can operate at the frontline in direct support of other AFV's as opposed to a big truck mounted platform. Delivered last month iirc.
>>64537761
>>64539950>Wolf 25 ADnicethis honestly seems like the best general cUAS system to follow other vehicles around25mm airburst seems like the best middle ground between ammo capacity and effectivenessand the small footprint is good tooalso cool to see a small country like Slovakia produce that gear tb hDiehl (IRIS-T manufacturer) has sth similar, but I think the 25mm airburst autocannon is better than a 7.62mm MG
>>64539971There's a lot of different developments taking this route. There's also JLTV's with both 25mm and 30mm being tested by various countries. Pic related is the USMC integrated air defense.
>>64539971>>64539986and another one from yurop
>>64539783As someone that works at a very small workshop it's ridiculous how bad companies are at developing and retaining knowledge. My workplace and loads of others refuse to hire new people and train them, instead they're running the boomers into the ground before retirement. Shit's fucked when they retire and we lose years of knowledge and experience.
>>64539860Watch presentation
>>64537320This is all nice and dandy but can it turn its turret 360 repeatedly like the Armata? Surely not.
>>64539734These turrets are getting out of hand. Soon it'll be as long as the hull.
>>64539931Does that also work while mobile or only after its placed down?
>>64540207RETVRN to tradtion
Trophy systems are so stupid. Russia doesn't even carry ATGMs most of the time. When are they going to come out with an airburst autoturret for small, slow moving projectiles? Years of underground development but still nothing. Jesus fucking christ is it really that hard? Strap an MTL-30/Mk47 to a sensor and woopdeefuckingdoo you've just stopped 90% of all IFV losses for under 50,000 dollars per unit.
>>64537999You ever look at a map of Europe? Specifically Germany and which countries border them?
>>64537690>dronenigger midwit who thinks he’s figured out how things work spouts retarded bullshit smuglyMy favourite genre.
>>64537935>OOK OOK NOOK
>>64537999>this level of zigger delusionNot everyone is a completely apathetic serf-brained loser like you.
>>64540348>ziggerkek, i am citizen of a NATO country that directly borders Russia, and everybody here knows that NATO promises mean horse shit. Russia, at this very moment, can nuke Germany as a whole and get away with it.
>>64540422Fun way to say Russian diaspora in the Baltics.
>>64540422Do it, faggot
>>64540422Ok, cool story bro.Why haven't they used them to break the stalemate in Ukraine?
>>64540435i have already explained it here >>64538006
>>64540466Citation needed for those claims bro, we've seen nothing but complete disregard for civilians from the Russians. Case in point the frequent bombing of residential areas, the drone safari in Kherson, the forced conscription of the guys living in Donbass and other occupied territories.
>>64540298You mean like all RCT-30 turrets on Pumas and Schakals or the turret on SWTI? Or all the new 25mm AC turrets?
>>64540422Why don't they nuke the Germoids then? Are they retarded? Nooking would break the eurocucks and make them submit to mighty POCCNR, right?
>>64540466The question was: if they can get away with nuking Germany, why don't they?
>>64537543>Probably not up and running before 2027 though, but at this stage the A8-production will quicly be in the 500 vehicles range[X] doubt At least RHM found a sucker to sponsor the KF51 prototyping. How many LeoA8 Bundeswehr ordered, 200?
>>64540609123, the next batch of 75 is to be ordered next year according to Pistorius.
>>64537346They rise their main gun 45° up on the right side and morse-flash their headlights a polite sieg heil as shown in >>64537333
>>64540211Doesn't seem like it, the big selling point of it is that it has everything in one package. But doesn't look like it can shoot shit down while on the move.>>64539950Yeah, the Paladin is more meant against shit like Shaheds, as opposed to regular FPV's and Lancets.
>>64537690>socialistRetard.>obsolete tankAbsolute, utter, subhuman retard.>muh 2 dronesTry a couple thousand, retard.
>oh cool a new le- aaand it's ziggersWhat is it with ziggers sneeding at every other country having a competent modern military industrial complex?
>>64540422>i am not from russia!Doesn’t stop you being a zigger with a serf mentality. I never said you were from russia.
>>64540466>because [zigger talking point]So they’re not brother nations because that’s fucking stupid, and according to you they’re too retarded to just nuke ukraine when apparently according to you this wouldn’t spark any kind of response.Just admit you bit off more then you could chew shilling le demoralized narratives lol.
>>64540422Shut up Poolander
>>64537511Nah it’s because of demographics mostly. Boomers couldn’t breed but also pulled the ladder up behind them, taking their knowledge to the grave. Another problem is the lack of workers, which again ist because of demographics. It also doesn’t help that Ossis are strictly against war related stuff since Rheinmetall for example wanted to build some factories there but people protested so that didn’t go nowhere.
>>64543881>It also doesn’t help that Ossis are strictly against war related stuffI could have sworn I read a recent NYTimes article about a closing car factory in the East getting new life as a Boxer plant.
>>64543881>>64543925(me)Found it. https://web.archive.org/web/20251009122257/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/09/world/europe/germany-tanks-rearmament.html
>>64543939Interesting, so they want to produce Leopard 2 tanks, Boxers and Pumas there? Leipzig will soon also produce the Do 328eco, a small revival of the German aviation industry similar to what Russian and Ukrainian aircraft producers planned before 2014. I honestly get their concerns about being targets of Russian attacks, German media still paints Russia as an undefeatable giant. Also cool fact I didn’t know is that Birks get produced in Görlitz.
>>64544007>I honestly get their concerns about being targets of Russian attacksIf there's one thing I've learned in following post-Soviet politics since 2022, it's that Russophiles know they can't say what they actually think, so they cloak everything under appeals to peace and multilateralism. The pro-Russia party in the most recent Moldovan national election had the platform of "Let's be friends with both Russia and the West", which is a retarded idea prima facie, and also a disingenuous one.
>>64544019(me)Shit, I think I misused the term "multilateralism". I meant to say something more like "multipolarism".
>>64544007>German media still paints Russia as an undefeatable giant.Nah. Only zigger financed politicians and zigger media does that. Mainstream news are pretty much spot on and neutral on this specific topic and lay out both the threat coming from russia as well as their impotent screeching without being ignorant of their real capabilities. Especially russias hybrid war, sabotage and electronic warfare are constantly highlighted. Ossi Boomers ofc believe we should be friends with ziggers regardless and won't survive the coming winter without bending over.The AfD is a huge part of that narrative. Mostly because it is heavily financially supported out of moscow.
>>64544019I mean it worked from 1990-2014. Iirc MAN/Rheinmetall even sold them trucks and shit for over $110.000.000 in 2012/13. In Germany’s case there was also the benefit of Russia sending Germany cheap resources mined and refined with German equipment and Russians coming to Germany, helping with the demographic collapse.
>>64540557Any actual footage of these taking down FPV drones in testing? Or just more upgrades that will never actually appear on tanks and IFVs in the field?
>>64539734How do you get out of it if you are the driver and this shit's on fire?
>>64540422NOOK NOOK NIGGER
>>64539551>Russia doesn't have any churches, only LLC KGB filiasThe only and greater sin of the orthodox churches, getting nationalised.
>>64538070Blessed hopelessly romantic pan-European
>>64538076>now they lost their nation as a whole.Vanya, you are barely 50 km from where you started the war 3,5 years ago.That's not even 1/6 the lenght of Belgium.
>>64540422>Russia, at this very moment, can nuke Germany as a whole and get away with it.And it would have done it if only those perfidious europeans had dared crossed the red line. No, not the one of last week, I'm talking about the other. The final ultimate last réf line that come right after all the other red lines whose crossing is unacceptable existancial threat to Russia.
The lastest develolpents and the quisling 'peace plan' are the greenlight for Europe and the UK to remove Russia and Pongyang in a true final solution to European security. I expect to see Russian military assets destroyed by UK and EU national forces in reprisals for provocations within months.Putin is the most disasterous leader for any nation since Hitler. Hope our kremlin supporting friends are reading fro their long hoped conflict with the vastly more powerful EU and UK and their vocal paid propagandists international suporters for their incomming arrest, internment and prision stays as traitors, guolty of treason and participating in war crimes for money and undeclared agents of enemy states if they set foot in an EU, UK or allied states. All they deserve too. America should reflect on whether they want allies at all if they are confronted with a belligerent threat in the pacific as Europe and the UK have been.
>>64544218>>64540422>Russia, at this very moment, can nuke Germany as a whole and get away with it.Russia and agents of Russia within the EU are facing a level of extermination that will make their WW2 experience look like a kindgergarden if they donlt get the fuck out of UKraine and get new leadership. Never mistake the soft public image of Europe for its real capability or it's will to defend every European citizen and the European brotherhood of nations at the expensive of if necessary the extermination in entirely of the populations of hostile nations and their agents. And no, there is absolutely NOTHING Russia can do about that should that be commenced.There is one choice only for Russia at this stage, unconditional surrender, disarmament, delivery of war criminals and new leadership engaged in paying reparations. If you are a Russian speaking exptriate propagandising for the kremlin from within the EU you have two options, deportation to the hellscape that Russia will be soon, or a very long prision stay. Fuck around and find out.
Russia has at this point at the very most four years of existence left unnless it pulls a complete U turn in every way possible and gets on its knees and begs. Threats about nuclear weapons by Russian propagandists are in fact what will ensure this and they are very directly responsible for sentencing the Russian population to death.
>>64544059Yes. Use Google.
>>64538076IT would be better for you if you had not left a digital trail as a propagandist for an enemy of some of the greatest military, economic and intelligence gathering powers on earth.
>>64537450trophy can shoot down drones now
>>64544330Aren't most current trophy projectiles the size of javelin missiles? They won't have nearly enough ammo for FPVs. That's if the trophies can even actually detect FPVs, which we have no evidence of
>cool, let's see what my country is doing OH GOD KILL IT WITH FIRE >MY EYES
>>64544362Nobody even uses the tank main gun anymore for anything that a tiny cannon can't already take care of. All tanks should be turned into super fast lightweight IFVs with a dronefucker 9000 installed on each corner of the hull. Like a Bradley M2A4E2
>>64544377I hope you're wrong. Tank guns are kino.
>>64544353>trophy projectiles the size of javelin missiles????? it's a MEFP its size and form factor isn't remotely similar to a javelin>They won't have nearly enough ammo for FPVs. with the insane amounts in ukraine it's still not the promised swarms but obviously you can overwhelm anything if you try hard enough >That's if the trophies can even actually detect FPVs, which we have no evidence ofrafael published a video showing them shooting down dronesbut obviously if they can detect an RPG warhead they can detect an RPG warhead tied to a drone it's just about filtering in software, which is why i said>now as it wasn't always true
>>64544165There is a hatch on the bottom of the tank.
>>64544393>rafaelI am very skeptical the sensors are up for it. The RPG they blew up was moving in a straight line toward the side. FPV drones move chaotically and dive from a 45 degree angle above the tank. And then once the second FPV comes in from the same direction that the charge was already used toward, is the tank just fucked now?These people were preparing for decades for ATGM threats, but the real threat is actually not direct fire launcher systems but indirect fire from simple FPV RPG warheads (and long range winged kamikaze drones). They are small, maneuverable, and you can expect dozens of them attacking you per mission. I can't be the only one who feels these systems are overbuilt, expensive, have questionable reliability and overall are just designed for an earlier war that isn't relevant anymore. I hope to see these defense contractors get actual FPV pilots onboard with dummy warheads to assault their products in the near future. Because every piece of footage I have seen feels very unconvincing and does not inspire confidence in their ability to actually protect armored vehicles against modern FPVs. These FPVs are absolutely obliterating tanks in the handfuls every day, they need to rethink how tanks and IFVs deal with threats. This will also solve the armor weight problem that all armored vehicles are running into in the swamps of eastern europe
>>64544353>They won't have nearly enough ammo for FPVs. Retard take. It already takes hudnreds of FPVs to take out a western MBT. Adding Trophy will up the count by another couple hundred most likely, give it will cover the most vulnerable spots of the MBT, aka the only places and FPV stands any chance to do anything to begin with.>That's if the trophies can even actually detect FPVs, which we have no evidence ofOkay? We have plenty of evidence of it detecting things that are far harder to detect than FPVs, though, so it takes a special kind of utter retardiation to assume that FPVs are somehow magically undetectable to it.
>>64544377And then someone brings an actual tank and deletes your IFV with it and we're back where we started.
>>64544462Every APS after freakin Arena has been designed to deal with top-attack munitions. Your overhyped drones are not some innovative never seen before threat vector. The only reaosn they're vne worth tlaking about is that they're cheap, otherwise they're outperformed by existing munitions in every regard and offer absolutey nothing new.>These FPVs are absolutely obliterating tanks in the handfuls every dayOnly russian garbage "tanks" though. Even old western MBT ahve been recorded to routinely take hundreds of FPV hits and just drive away to the repair shop.
>>64544465>it already takes hudnreds of FPVs to take out a western MBT>hundredsThis is a HUGE copium number. It takes about 24 successful hits MAXIMUM. Depending on how good the tank is (obviously Leo 2 with a huge cope cage lasts a lot longer than a retrofitted T-72). After just 1-4 successful hits the majority of tanks are unable to move, and are donezo as far as the mission is concerned. I have to presume you have never watched war footage in your life>adding trophy means another few hundred FPVsThat's one hell of a promise, but I don't see any such trophies in service yet.>Okay? We have plenty of evidence of it detecting things that are far harder to detect than FPVsSuch as??
>>64544483>never watched war footageNigger, do you still not understand how drones having fucking camera’s strapped to them is feeding you a selective bias?If bullets all had high-speed camera’s attached to the front, every dumb fucking dronenigger on this website would start screeching that 95% of deaths are caused by bullets and body armor is useless anyway because bullets always hit you in the head, so everyone who isn’t stripping naked is a dummy.
>>64544468Just like the T-90M that immediately got blinded and destroyed by two bradleys because a tank with exploded optics can't see? Tanks are the battle rifles of armored vehicles.>>64544481Every APS after freakin Arena has been designed to deal with top-attack munitionsOkay, let's see it then>hundredsFantasy number you keep pulling out of your ass>only Russian garbage tanksRussians and Ukrainians use more or less the same tanks. They both lose 2-5 tanks every DAY, you can ask Oryx if you don't believe me
>>64544462You're pardigms are as fixated as that which caused the oversight on FPV drones in teh first place. Snipers come to the fore in static warfare, same with drones and artilkery. They both become 'there' but with little tactical meaning beyond reconnisiance when enganging in dynamic mechanised warfare. New German tanks are capable of acting as their own artillery support with integrated drone and other capabilities. Two fully modernised and drployed German panzer regiments would rip the entire Russian ground forces apart in a week if they roll. Two much pandering to third world sentitvites about their favourite dictators and their shit show militaries on this site. The sheer comedy of the FFL or the Royal marines or chasseur alpine engaging what the Russians call their best would rival a benny hill episode with dirty hungry middle aged men and third world illiterate mercenaries in albaba outfits that pass for what the Russians call a military scattered in piles of dead for a hundred kilometers.Russia does not even know what it's trying to bite off. Coundown to the EU and the UK demonstrating what happens in response to Russian provocations is on, placed there by quislings and Russians own propagandists and war crimes. While Amerians speculate on where trumps penis has been a war with an enemy that boasted or tagetting them with nuclear weapons is being fought. Ifv you want to see the real consequences of isolationism you will see if in your grandchildrens utter destitution.
>>64544036>German mainstream news>neutralsure, whatever you say
>>64544494FPVs?
>>64544462there is no reason for the SR to care how the drone moves unless it's notching but even if these radars can be effectively notched it's pointless as you're not getting closer to your target that waythere is a loader which is really fast for what it isbut again you can overwhelm anything if you try hard enough when it came into service top down and NLOS ATGM were a thing an FPV drone is at least as big as the warhead it's carrying which it obviously can detect compared to ATGMs and even RPGs, fpv drones are an order of magnitude slower and for the slugs formed by the MEFP a drone isn't even moving
>>64544534Do most tanks in service in NATO even have these systems yet?
>>64544510First person view
France alone has enough of a nuclear arsenal to reduce the Russian population down to 20% and negate Russian nuclear assets. The bongs the same....try it Russia. See if you are after you have a few ships subnk and a wing of sircraft shot down in teh coming months. See what Ukranian attrition has lined you up for in person if you don't get sense quick smart. See where all you intenet spam ultimately got you and your relatives in Moscow and St. Petersberg? Dead or living in a horror movie.
>>64544554not even close it's just the 2A8, the SEP V3 and planned for the K2PLand considering that during the war in israel i got replacement parts for trophy that were clearly originally destined to foreign clients, i assume its adoption elsewhere got delayed( i am a reservist technician of those systems in the idf)
>>64544585So none of this discussion even matters because NATO refuses to buy trophy protection anyway?
>>64544597they're buying itthe newest versions of most NATO tanks includes it and rafael set up a subsidiary in europe for it too
>>64544613What about Iron Fist APS? Is anyone buying that?
>>64544581This.De Gaulle said it best :"In ten years, we'll have enough to kill 80 million Russians. Well, I think people don't readily attack those who have enough to kill 80 million Russians, even if they themselves have enough to kill 800 million French people, assuming there were 800 million French people to Bégin with."Russia would win such war.But it would be so diminished that it's neighbours would then just carve it between them and it wouldn't be able to do a thing.
>>64544616i think the bongs selected it im not sure and regardless they have less than 200 tanks in service anyway
>>64544637France >nukes 80 million zigsRussia >nukes 800 million frogsLosses:Russia: about 60% of it's population (likely 90%+ of knowledge and industrial capacity)NATO: All of france (net positive)I'm sorry de Gaulle, I should have trusted you
>>64544395Seal it shut before skinnies start crawling inside your tank
>>64544637>>64544680Sounds very similar to Britain's "Moscow Criterion". All you need to do is have enough nukes to obliterate Moscow and St. Petersburg and you have effectively ensured the destruction of the Russian state. I'm also pretty sure that Russia is even more centralized today than it was during the Cold War when such theories were first developed.
>>64544680>All of france (net positive)I admire your optimism but let's be honest now...Russia trying to noook anyone would just cause russian casualties as the missiles explode in silos, fail to ignite first stage main engine and fall back, explode on upper stage ignition, explode for inscrutable random reasons, or just flip 180 and return home because ivan installed a sensor upside down. And that's not even going into the condition of the warheads themselves.
>>64544710>I'm also pretty sure that Russia is even more centralized today than it was during the Cold War when such theories were first developed.Well, not really. Not much of strategic significance has changed in Russia. It's literally all the same ports, industrial centers, military bases, etc. Even the very same buildings stand to this day in many cases.But back then the target was the whole Soviet Union.Deleting only Russia is a much smaller task.And today their neighbors would thank you for it, whereas back in soviet times things would have been more complicated.
>>64544585Are you the JIDF that always gets assblasted when Israel being a parasite that leeches off the US gets mentioned?
>>64544779yeah, i make up the entire /pol/ boogeyman organization
>>64544581France/North Korea are unironically the deterrents for any nuclear strike on the US or a major US ally. One of the upsides of having nations with nukes no one but that nation controls and thankfully they both conveniently hate nuclear powers that would strike us.
>>64544616Not for tanks as of now, but almost all of the newly announced CV90's will have them, as well as the australian Redback
>>64544585Could throw in the Chally 3 there as well, although that whole project feels like a dead end
>>64544876i'm pretty sure they chose the iron fist in the end for it
>>64544878no, they signed with Rafael back in 2023 for the TrophyI remember seeing concept pictures of it with Iron Fist way back at the start of the whole program tho
>>64544747When the UK and France and the EU hit Russia with unconvential retaliation for their dictators decade of bullshit they'll be lucky if they can make a cup of tea in moscow using electric power let alone watch putin on a cage or a coffin on tv or launch a nuke. Real nations are sick of this shit. The EU and UK have over half a million people and 20 times the economic and military power of these retards and their spamming ego manic little runt in moscow with his rusty nukes and threats. All these glavset cunts have to think about now is havinga nice plot in a cemetary ready and to tell their kids and parenst they are going to be left starve to death because they spent a decade spamming hate and lies thinking they were big men. Ukraine was never going to be left loose no matter what, any fool could see that except these clowns and their kgb nut in the kremlin.
>>64544923>The EU and UK have over half a million peopleO sorry Russia that was half a billion people wealthier and better armed than your little communist cargo cult shithole. Quick ring Kim and ask if he can let you hid in a shed from the almighty wrath heading your lying spamming shit stained way.
So around ~25mil eur per tank. Anyone wanna tell me how it will survive at least 10x cheaper drones ?
Do escalate to deescalate is it? How about the UK and EU show you sad litting fucks in St. Ptereberg how that might look if an actual superpower block like the EU and UK rip loose. Enjoy watching what happens after a few of your planes and ships get obliterated first in the coming months, just for the sheer fucking fun of it. Where's your arsenal? Is it gone? So fucking sad. I'll be having a nice fap to the pictures of your burning cubicle in St. Petersberg (after a nice meal and a good cigar) you can count on that, you're all known marked dead men, clowns indeed. |See if you can wear a red nose to go with your third degree burns and the darkened streets of St. Petersberg when the power goes out for good in winter. Freeze Europe is it? Hope you have good socks.
>>64544944Yeah, with air dominance it's surprisingly easy, like barely an inconvenience
>>64544944You won't be worrying about drones any more you little prick. You've bigger personal concerns incomming now.
>>64544779Are you that German boomer who keeps posting on /int/ about weapons and seethes about Israel?
