How many people on /k/ have ever actually tried to build something legally? It seems like a tremendous pain in the ass unless it's black powder or some accessory that won't transform the market in any way like HRT's.
>>64541988I 3D printed a silencer for a 9mm. I did not wrap it in hockey tape or anything; it blew the fuck up.
>>64541999Wut caliber
>>64541988Most I've ever done was hand carve some grips and stocks. They almost always break and look like shit, but it's a learning process
>>64542015.380
>>64541988That's a man
>>64541988>like hrtspic related>How many people on /k/ have ever actually tried to build something legally?I may not be that glorious retard who made the WA2000, but I make do. I bought half my guns broken and rebuilt them from the ground up. I've made a few bush rifles starting from barrels, a barely-functional Khyber Pass 1911, done stock work, and made my own matchlock from scratch including powder and matches - although my brother helped me temper the springs and barrel for that one. I fully intend to make more silencers eventually, currently I'm playing around building stuff for my airguns to avoid making all my mistakes on Form 1s. >it seems like a tremendous pain in the assIt kinda is, yeah. Usually if not always more expensive than just buying the thing outright even before the time investment factors in. If I didn't already have the furniture making skills and hardware, plus two blacksmiths in the family, it would have been much more of a pain. This isn't something you do just to get a gun, it's something you do because it's fun and/or interesting.
>yet another board obsessed with ladyboysya'll gay as shit
>>64541988I don’t understand the people who buy these parts kits of shredded receivers and rusted out parts. I feel like that’s the move of a genius or a retard. Are they just making a gun from scratch around those parts? Like wtf is that all about. Feels like one of those “if you need to ask, it’s not for you” sort of things
>>64543599>“if you need to ask, it’s not for you” sort of thingsThat's exactly what it is. If you have good welding skills then it's no big deal to assemble a parts kit. If you don't, then it will appear like an insurmountable problem.
Setup is 90% of production. If you haven't done a bunch of learning and research and looking at industry standards and test runs you're making garbage.
>>64543787>Setup is 90% of productionThis.And, if you have no experience with manual machining then learning CNC is going to be a whole lot harder. You will learn more running a bridgeport or a manual lathe for an hour than you'll learn in a hundred hours reading.
>>64541988??? It's not illegal to build guns in your garage in the US. If you're not building something NFA without a stamp, and you're not building with the intent of selling the gov doesn't give a fuck about it. 1/4 of my funs are home built. Mostly 80% ars but I've made a handful of zip22's including drilling and rifling the barrels from bar stock.T. Right to bear arms enjoyer
>>64543773So are people literally welding together a receiver cut into multiple parts? How does that not look like shit or be dangerous to handle? Are they also making new barrels or welding those too? I’m honestly curious about this because some of these part kits are expensive and I can’t find a good tutorial about this online.
>>64543954>So are people literally welding together a receiver cut into multiple parts?Yes.>How does that not look like shit or be dangerous to handle?Like I said, it takes a skilled welder but it's absolutely possible to fill the gaps and make it look perfect. Strength is rarely a problem since the receiver itself rarely holds firing pressure. If the parts are cut into locking surfaces then it makes things more complicated, but it's still possible to repair the parts, re-heat-treat them, and then refinish.>Are they also making new barrels or welding those too?Usually people will find a factory barrel. Most of the time it's only the receiver which is cut up for a parts kit. Though people do make barrels for repairing old guns all the time--most people buy a rifled blank and then machine the final details.
>>64541988>want to make my own gun>even have an abstract concept for a gun design that theoretically would work>also retarded so cant put it to specifics to see if mathematically it would workFuark bros i can see it, i can fuckin smell it but i cant make it. Maybe one day ill bruteforce my way through some metalworking class or something and give it a whirl
>>64543981what is your concept, anon?
>>64543976That’s pretty interesting. How does one even go about getting the skills for this without going to trade school?
>>64544020Just a modernized luger p08 basically, but in .30 super carry or 7.62 tokarev
>>64544043You don't need trade school, just practice. Youtube has countless tutorials on welding from basic to advanced. The biggest potential problem is getting access to a welder. If you have friends or family with one or maybe there's one at your work then you might be set.
>>64544043NTA but there are various levels of difficulty for this depending on the gun. For example an AR is just a matter of assembly (unless you are building from an 80% lower, which I have done even though I am very much NOT a machinist).I've also built a 1911, but that's essentially just filing and fitting parts. But I wouldn't attempt to build an AK at this point because you generally need to press the barrel in, bend flats, weld, heat treat, rivet, and do other bullshit. I admire people who have the skills to do a challenging rebuild.
>>64544062>just practicePlease don't "figure it out on your own". You don't know what you don't know. The whole point of education is to have you learn from others' mistakes without having to make them yourselves.If you're just going to cobble together a fence, go ahead. If you're going to cobble together something together which goes boom while it's in your hands, please consider just paying for a few classes.
>>64542021>>64541988and that's a milling machine
buy something simple like a plastic flare gun in 12 gauge. make all the parts out of steel and weld them together. learn to measure and buy the right tooling, drills reamers and a dermel. make it pretty and paint it. Test it with a string tied to the trigger with a blank round
>>64543797cnc is very easy, more difficult than 3d printing, but most things are more difficult than 3d printing.
>>64543981Just make it anyways. It is better when you don't know what "isn't possible."
>>64544068>But I wouldn't attempt to build an AK at this point because you generally need to press the barrel in, bend flats, weld, heat treat, rivet, and do other bullshitPlastikov v4
>>64544075I never said to avoid education. I said you could educate yourself with youtube. Clearly it would be retarded for a beginner to weld up a gun on day one.I assumed it was obvious that you'd start with simple projects and move up to more advanced ones as you learn, but maybe that needs to be explicitly stated?
>>64543954>So are people literally welding together a receiver cut into multiple parts? How does that not look like shit or be dangerous to handle?- Acquire original dimensions of the receiver, and use features like pin or rivet holes to locate references- Clamp receiver pieces at correct length with a copper backing plate so the weld won't stick to it- If the gap is too wide fill in with sheet/plate metal to bridge the gap and weld- The inside of the receiver should be relatively flat due to the copper plate backer, but the outside needs to get a pass on the mill- You may have to fix some features on the inside but typically they're not critical, it's the pins, trunnion and guide rails that need the most attention
>>64541999Why didn't you? It's not like it's extra work.Next time use 3m casting tape. Much stronger.>>64541988I've built an AK from a parts kit. I fucked it up and sold it to someone for peanuts so they could rebuild it right. Pic is one of the rear trunnion rivets I fucked up. I actually did really good with the rest of the build but I didn't have the proper jig for long rivets and thought I could make my own; I couldn't.The guy I sold it to reached out to me like a year later and got it rebuilt. Felt good for him, I sold it (Romy G) for a fuckin song so he got a great deal after sweat equity.
>>64544075You can "figure it out on your own" in practical terms as long as you have a reference of what good welds should look like. I learned with youtube and welding scrap together and then cutting the weld apart to inspect my work. I built up enough confidence to do suspension work on my daily driver and if I find a firearm weldup kit that I want, I would have no qualms about doing it. My mantra is that if squatemalens or druggies can learn enough to get paid to do it then I can too.
>>64544068>But I wouldn't attempt to build an AK at this point because you generally need to press the barrel in, bend flats, weld, heat treat, rivet, and do other bullshit.It's easy, but the tooling cost makes it cost-prohibitive unless you're building a lot of them. I built an AK at a machine shop that rented out tooling, it used a harbor freight press, harbor freight tack welder, bolt-cutter style rivet tool from akbuilder, harbor freight blast cabinet, harbor freight drill press, and a steel rain gutter on a homebuilt stove for parkerizing solution. Also the flat jigs and a few basic alignment and pressing jigs. The AK specific tooling would still run you an extra $500 on top of the kit and everything to complete the build.
>>64542021100% first thought when I saw this on my niggergram
>>64545096Thank God for Childers and ReCreator and their pre-heat treated & center riveted receivers and 80%ers.
Thoughts on desktop CNCs? Genmitsu looks affordable and 3030 should cut even steel after upgrading the spindle.
>>64545136Very cool/10Looking forward to the next 5 years of development for these things. They're about where 3d printers were a few years ago and look at them now.
>>64545136I doubt that frame is stiff enough to give reasonable results if you're trying to cut steel plate, but maybe you could use it for 14 gauge. What would you make with it?
>>64545163They're going to be very useful when cutting aluminum, specifically 7075
>>64545163Fuck if I know really. I'm getting old and I should either get into DIY or birdwatching.
>>64545170Maybe? It's still not very robust, those things are mostly for cutting wood and acrylic. For aluminum you could probably cut it dead soft and then temper it to T4 at home.
>>64545182Anon, I'm implying if it can mill an AR lower.I'm looking forward to when that becomes trivial for these machines.
>>64545281If it's an 80%, you're mostly just drilling holes so it should be fine, but indexing it is probably going to be harder than just using a jig to finish it by hand. If you're talking about milling an entire lower from a blank billet, there's no way in hell that toy is going to make anything worthwhile. You'll get a better product for less effort by just printing an SL-15 lower.
>>64545296Entire lower from bar stock yeah.I know there isn't such a machine today but I know there will be. That's what I'm waiting for.
>>64543590/k/ has had a thing with traps for a very long time.
>>64545096Oh, I'm acutely aware lol. I actually had a milled Type 56 parts kit and had the equipment picked out to make a blonde spiker but I ended up selling it to buy NVGs. I might revisit the subject some day but I know that I'd want to own all of the tooling. I have a few workshops in my house and it'd be great to seriously invest in a proper gunsmithing station. But for at least a few years I'll have to settle with lesser projects.This week I'll be starting on G3 wood furniture, wish me luck.
>>64545387If you had the space and some graphite powder, you could machine an AR lower from bar stock in 2 machining operations with an industrial surplus die style edm machineLook at HGR industrial surplus and renting a Ryder truck
>>64545551It would have to be at least 3 unless you're making an 80% and finishing it by hand or something.
>>64544075>Please don't "figure it out on your own".spoken like a sheepish faggot liberal
>>64544020NTA, but a singlestack pistol chambered in .500 Auto Max. Long recoil action with a welin breech block rotating bolt. Can't figure out how to machine the threads on the receiver, though.
>>64545825Just use a normal interrupted screw and design your breech big enough that 50% thread engagement is good enough.
>>64541988>I bought a >VAGINA>(To convince myself I'm a woman)
>>64548972Troons always have some very superlatively male hobbies. Porn addiction, killing people you don’t like, suicide, guns, nerdy games, and now milling. If their body did not betray their true sex, their interests, attitudes, and temperament definitely will.
>>64543599It's a way to get things that are otherwise completely unobtainable. My current backlog consists of a Turkish contract M1922 Hotchkiss, a Polish DPM, a STGW 57, and a FBP 948. None of those will ever be commercially available. Parts kits are the only way to get anything cool with our gay import laws.
>>64549530>M1922 Hotchkiss, a Polish DPM, a STGW 57, and a FBP 948Are you going to FRT these clones? That would be cool.
>>64549544Would be cool, especially the LMGs, but I haven't given it much thought since they're all oddball cartridges and getting these working is enough work for me. I think there's a real untapped market for FRT kits for the Freedom Machine PPS43 FCGs (that's what I'm going to use in the M948). The FCG looks like a mini AK FCG and I'm pretty sure it could work the same. That would open up a ton of SMG up to FRT conversions
>>64541988https://kommandoblog.com/2018/09/13/building-parts-kit-mg42-m53-mg3/This with the video is easy as shit to do. Any retard can do it.
>>64549644>Watches companion tomorrow on odyssey Shieeeet those can't be that easy. where to get mg42 kits these days with the booster?
>>64546072My autism wants to bitch about the additional length and the increased reciprocating mass, but that's what second generations are for. Fair enough.
I once tried to weld fender washers into a 2" mild steel exhaust tube to make a gigantic 223 suppressor but I quit when I realized I had the wrong 1/2" tap and it wouldn't thread on plus I realized one of the washers never got welded and was rattling around so I gave up.
Damn just saw Hotchkiss m1922 with barrel kits were sold for $380 on apex. Missed those.
>>64545136garbage. if you can pick it up without a crane or a fork lift it's not worth shit.
>>64541988That's a dude, isn't it?
>>64545388And they are still FUCKING GAY.
>>64553050This anon mills. You need the weight or you will get chatter in anything that is harder than aluminum.
>>64541988I have machined mods for SKS’s so they would fit into the ILS Chassis.I have also done work fine tuning mainsprings for my revolvers & I built a .22 pistol using a paintball gun frame for its frame & a drilled out piece of carriage bolt with crude rifling for the barrel, did that before I became a machinist.Also don’t become a machinist, the stress and pay suck, I have never met a wealthy machinist.
>>64544921I have heard of some people using dome headed screws in lieu of rivets, don’t know how well they would hold up overtime, even with locktite.
>>64545136Don’t unless you understand tooling, feed rates and G code.
>>64545281Again, unless you understand feed rates, materials, tooling and G code, you will crash it and wish that you did.It’s not as easy as “push button, machine go brrr”. Also having a machine with one tool means that you will have to have multiple operations just to change your tooling from when you want to mill a flattened area or do a boss or flange with a radius or spot drill a hole or drill a hole or drill and tap a hole.
>>64545387Five axis turn milling is the way to go, if you had a bar feeder you and dual spindles could hypothetically do everything in one go. It might be honestly more cost effective to have a tombstone setup with a 4 axis machine because you could realistically machine several of them at a time. You have to realize, the AR was designed and first made in an era of manual machining.
>>64549588Honestly I think selling FRT or super safety kits for a lot of those designs would be a hit.No one would care about the TX22 except for the fact it can cycle 1900 rounds a minute with FRT.
>>64552775They just restocked the m1922 Hotchkiss parts kits with live barrel for $330 and have a few clipazines if any retard doesn't buy one or two at these prices, totally their fault for being a retard. In a few months get to listen to them complain of no good cheap parts kits.
>>64553581Thanks snagged a few. Figure can resale one or two with hefty profit once they sell out and use that to pay somebody to build the remaining
>>64541988I've inlet stock blanks, bedded rifles, pillar bedding, devcon, replaced lock springs in SxS, restocked pistols, floated barrels, crowned barrels, replaced firing pins, tuned triggers by sleeving pins, replaced tumblers, fitted steel mag wells, rebuilt lock and bolt heads, replaced broken hammers, rebuilt revolvers with new springs, made rifled barrels etc etc>>645419993d printers are a waste of time you need a drop drill, a shop press, a lathe and a bench grinder a set of files and chisels and apply yourself
>>64553581>>64555482There’s a nigga on WG doing a run of receiver repair sections with an option for arabic engraving. I picked up an unpainted kit which will clean up real nice. Honestly thinking about buying another just for a spare barrel and parts.
>>64544921m26_lemon_grenade has many videos with tips you'll find useful.
>>64555925Nice I'll keep an eye out for it. I ended up getting two kits. Doesn't look to be too hard for a semi conversion. At only $330 it's an easy choice.
>>64545487>I have a few workshops in my housedefine workshop please.
>>64556017With the barrel ban expired, fear of ww3, countries are going to be dumping their old arsenals to modernize. It's going to be like the 90s with cheap kits and no awb. You can even do a vz.61 with printed receiver and have an AR15 fcg to put a FRT in instead. I'm going to be on an obscene buying spree of cheap odd kits. I was too young for cheap AK kits, but I'm not going to miss this flood of parts kits with barrels.
>>64555925>>64556017Need to get $100 deposits shipped to him this week for the dude on WG for the run of receiver repair sections. It's $450 shipped for engraved receiver sections set. Not sure if he'll do another or if price goes up if he even does another run.
>>64543954See >>64549644 how i got my mg42 reweld semi conversion. Have another mg42 kit sitting around. Also have an AR70/90 finished. Looks like shit but was my to do kit to learn how to do things before advancing to the mg42 reweld and conversion. The mg42 looks awesome and it's just cool to have a big belt fed even if it's in semi. Somebody is bound to make a frt for it sooner or later since it uses an AR15 trigger pack that is also a push safety.>>64550952It's even easier than that. Watch the video that goes with that tutorial. You'll be like wtf and it's only like $500 in tooling to get started and can do almost any kit after. The semi conversion parts cost as much as the kit though.
>>64556039Gunsmithing general used to be a thing. One anon was absolutely legendary with their wz2000 custom build. The dog fucker tends to derail them though. If everybody stopped responding to his bait the gunsmithing general could be a thing again with the cheap kit builds coming in. Would be nice to see and anons could start collecting weird autistic level stuff of weird and unique. Some of the builds could even do out of an apartment with minimal tooling.
>>64556039I didn’t buy an MP34 kit and every time I think about it I want to KMS. Never again am I not buying a kit
>>64543954Some people do that. You can also get new receivers for some guns and just use the kit for everything else. Used to be really common for AKs when parts kits were still common.
>>64553094I believe you. I've done a lot of 3d2a shit which isn't the same but has similarities.>>64553099I know it's not close to being a reality yet but specifically aluminum milling I can see in 10 years or so.3d printers are ALMOST to that point where you can get a high end one and have a push button solution with very little tinkering required.
>>64541988I've been a manual machinist for 10 years now running a bunch of different manual lathes and both vertical and horizontal mills and despite having plenty of freetime at my job every now and then when things are slow, I have never even bothered trying to machine my own gun parts.Most gun parts are either very difficult to machine accurately due to oblong features and bevels/lugs/grooves or just due to concentricity sake alone. Rifling a barrel requires you to have a VERY rigid lathe with no taper in it and it has to be perfectly leveled on good smooth concrete. The types of lathes that can hold gunsmithing tolerances and straightness/squareness over long distances (again, on something like a barrel bore) are super expensive and difficult to maintain and setup properly. You need years of experience. I've thought about buying one of those PPS kits that Atlantic used to sell and milling everything out but that would make me an instant felon pretty much. Yeah I could do it but it would be something I'd have to hide under my mattress for life and never take to a public range. Machining is not simple, do not be a fucking retard and try to do it on your own guys. It's a complex skillset that requires a lot of experience-based intuition that you can only get if you've been doing it for a while and have learned through much trial and error how hard it actually is to make more complex geometry parts. Go to a fucking gunsmith.
>>64556913>I've thought about buying one of those PPS kits that Atlantic used to sell and milling everything out but that would make me an instant felon pretty muchWhat the fuck are you talking about, retard? PPS43s are trivial to build legally.
