How would the war against Japan have looked like back in the 80's?
I dont know about a time I wasn't alive for but I know I cummed alot for japanese cartoon titties.
>>64542554A curbstomp worse than anything the modern world had seen at the time.
>>64542554I hope the retards who wrote this book are dead. I bet they are rolling in their graves looking at the state of this planet, kek.
>>64542554There was never going to be a war. Japan had no power projection and the US had military bases in Japan. The meme of 'Japan is going to own the US' was just people butthurt that the US car industry was failing and the US tech industry imploded during the 70's (but recovered in the 90's).
>>64542596Also Japan(like Chinks later) had been deliberately given a leg up in order to woo them politically. When that was taken way(read Princes of the Yen for details) they imploded. Chinks somehow looked at what happened to Japan and decided to replicate the failure, but with additional obligatory commie poverty shit and rather than wait for the libtard/jew elite in the US to get alienated after stringing them along in 2050, Xi decided to expedite that shit by LARPing as Mao. Long and short Japan never really had ambitions or hope of becoming a threat to the US, outside of a few of the odd 90s ultranationalists, fun guys but also weirdly delusional and prone to perceiving slights against Japan's honor where none existed.
>>64542634China is nowhere fucking near as unstable as Japan and is far, far, far more developed and globally influential, wtf are you smoking?
>>64542593Friedman is still alive and some of his Stratfor disciples like Peter Zeihan - a New York Times best-selling author - are among the most widely respected thinkers on /k/
>>64542643Lol, it figures a buttmad chink/turdie was the one to make this thread
>>64542643>>64542596The predictions made in the book weren't completely off-base, and did become true for China. Had it not been for the crash of 1994, economic anxiety in the US would have lead to a populist isolationist sooner than it actually did, and the trade wars which are said in the book to be a catalyst for the hot war are coming true for China. So, whether you like it or not, while the target of the books' message was wrong, the mechanisms therein were not. It's absolutely retarded to discount the book as just fanciful thinking when the reality is that it got a lot, including the European take correctly. It also failed to predict other things, but I take that as the mindset of the time being very conservative in what they could imagine the 21st century being like.
>>64542554Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor
>>64542643In the documentary "Captain America: Brave New World", there is a naval battle between US and Japanese CSGs in the Indian Ocean. This is acknowledgement .... that the JMSDF is the second most powerful navy in the worldAccording to Peter Zeihan, the most respected thinker on /k/:>Japan doesn’t only build but also designs its own naval vessels and has since the 1880s. Japan’s navy is easily the second-most powerful expeditionary force in the world…the entire Japanese fleet is blue-water capable.>It is Japan, not China, that boasts the world’s second most capable navy. It is that navy that is second only to the United States in the number of aircraft carriers floated (Japan claims those carriers are only for helicopters but that is, if you’ll forgive the repeat, just some more PR bullshit).>Japan…has four aircraft carrier battle groups that can make it that far. The point is less that the Japanese would use carriers for convoy duty, and more that the Japanese could scrub Chinese naval power out of existence from Hormuz to Malacca with a minimum of fuss.
>>64542554Time to shill this I guess.His Red Army and The War in Armageddon are overall stronger books, but it's still fun to read about notCOVID ravaging Africa, the USSR get its ass kicked by Japan-backed Jihadis and railgun-toting supercomputer-having notV-22s.
>>64542596>the US tech industry imploded during the 70's>Atari founded in 1972>Microsoft founded in 1975>Apple founded in 1976>Apple-1 released in 1976>apple ][ released in 1977>Macintosh released in 1984>Windows 1 released in 1985
>>64542554Autism made manifest.
>>64542634>outside of a few of the odd 90s ultranationalistsThere are more ultranationalists now in Japan than the 90's. It's always a good idea to go and look at the state of anime and how "JAPAN NUMBAH WAN" the content is. Compared the 90's to the 00's and 10's. 90's is very much "We're good but we're honourable". 00's and 10's it's very much "We're good and we SHOULD be in charge fuck everybody else". Which is why you get shit like GATE or Code Gayass where the US and China are raped by glorious Japan and the Bongs are raped in the latter (well more Bongs become weird Japanese nationalists).
>>64542779To be fair I think that after the coming war we should give Japan suzerainity over a good chunk of what was china. They have the stomach to do what needs to be done.
>>64542554Less war crimes, more AIDS.
>>64542554>the big bad of the US in the 80s was Russia>the big bad of the US in the 90s was JapanAnd now the big bad of the US in current time is China.
>>64542637Lol Zhang small peepee implessive
>>64542666that book was so fucking dumbthen again most Ryan books were
>>64542685China owns the Pacific
>>64542554>>64542643>>64542660speaking of george friedman >Russia will continue to suffer from the effects of comparatively weak oil prices. The revenue from this commodity had been used to sustain internal cohesion. With this revenue now severely drained, Russia will devolve into a confederation or even fragment into secessionist parts by 2040. The future of Russian nuclear weapons will become a crucial strategic issue as this devolution takes place.>In Asia, as the decline of China’s competitiveness in the export market continues, high unemployment will become a significant challenge to the Chinese president. The regime will attempt to survive the economy’s downward spiral by tightening its grip on power and sliding back into dictatorship. However, the regional divergences in China are too widespread and not easily suppressed by dictatorship. Therefore, by 2040, China will see a return to regionalism, accompanied by turmoil. As China weakens, a power vacuum will emerge in East Asia, which will be filled by Japan. By 2040, Japan, with its enormous economy and substantial military capabilities, will become the leading East Asian power.what do i think of this?summary https://geopoliticalfutures.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/road-to-2040-SUMMARY.pdffull 15 pages- https://www.scribd.com/embeds/600568257/content
>>64542779I dunno about how strong it is in anime but I read a lot of manga and they've always had this. It's easy to excuse though. I've watched hollywood, every second movie is about america saving the world. Everyone's allowed a little rampant heroic nationalism as a treat, I think it's genuinely more unhealthy not to.
>>64543372 The only thing west taiwan owns is its shameful failure at intimidating other countries.
>>64542643China in 2025 is Japan in 1985
>>64543831Replace Japan with South Korea or a unified Korea and it's decent.
>>64543831>>In Asia, as the decline of China’s competitiveness in the export market continues, high unemployment will become a significant challenge to the Chinese president. The regime will attempt to survive the economy’s downward spiral by tightening its grip on power and sliding back into dictatorship.This part in isolation isn't a half bad prediction.
>>64544006worst koreans are dying out though
>>64544006>civil war breaks out after someone does a pinching gesture
>>64542554The more interesting question is what a war of China+US+South Korea (maybe) against China+North Korea (latter unlikely) would look like. Most wargames don't include Japanese forces because of their current legal prohibitions but they seem to be on the fast track towards removing those. It'd be a significant boon to the allied destroyer fleet in the region, and the aircraft cruisers aren't insignificant either. All Japanese destroyers are AEGIS equipped and I believe could be networked with the US ones? That's probably classified but I'd be very surprised if they don't have the capability. Anyway, when it's just China vs the US it's usually either a pyrrhic victory for the US in a limited region or a pretty brutal tie. It's unrealistic for more than 3 CSGs to already be in the region at the absolute most, and more than likely it'd only be 2. The additional air defense and strike capabilities offered by a supplemental fleet of Japanese ships could make it a lot more manageable. South Korea doesn't have nearly the same naval capability but it's air force could be valuable, if they have enough organic tanker capability.
>>64543372Chinks are so fucking pathetic lel.
>>64544515Your takes are worse than the books.
>>64544515>China vs ChinaI know you meant Japan vs China but it made me smile because you're not that far of.Japan+US+Taiwan+SK vs China+NK would be a hot mess.Seoul would be vaporized under rockets, that's a given.From there, it will really depend how much suffering China and Japan are willing to visit upon their own people by hurting the other guy's infrastructure.With the USA having of course no restraint save nuclear.
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>>64542685I realize you're being facetious here, but there wasn't really a battle between CSG in Brave New World. It's two rogue F-18s versus the quasi-government quasi-super soldiers Blacktain America and El Halcón. The Jap F-35s don't do anything but circle around with itchy trigger fingers.
>>64544691Okay. Thanks for your insight.>>64544693That's what I get for editing it a couple of times before posting but not reading the full thing first. Anyway, I'm not so sure about Seoul. Presumably, the war would start as a response to a strike/attempted invasion of Taiwan. Large amounts of air to surface and surface to surface munitions would certainly be used there. China in this scenario likely does not want to open pandora's box on striking civilian targets, especially outside of Taiwan. Such an action would likely be met with blockades or perhaps more realistically strikes on merchant vessels. The allied nations likely wouldn't jump straight to this since the goal would be to maintain the focus on defending Taiwan while minimizing economic shock. Most Chinese air and naval assets would likely need to remain focused there as well, so strikes on SK/Japan would be limited. I don't think war = immediate infrastructure destruction. Even in Ukraine gas pipelines have been largely spared. China also does not have the air and air defense assets to stand up to a sustained air campaign by the US, let alone the US+Japan+SK. Any conflict would remain concentrated in and around Taiwan.
Japan's military was fully rebuilt by the 70s with most of the war criminals being in their 50s-60s living quietly among the Japanese populace.In the early 50s and 60s they were mostly buying up hand me downs or copying US designs. Their military peaked in the 80s and then started rebuilding/rearming again in the 2000s which is what we see mostly now.
>>64542587This guy raises a good point. How would a war with Japan during the 80's have impacted our current access to jap cartoons and anime tiddies?
>>64542554Japan had be neutralized of it's strategic capacities by it's very Internal constitution, which it were of high adherence to in the 1980's, before and decades beyond that. The U.S would proceed with a rapid annihilation and the fulfillment of the victory condition, whatever it may be, smoothly.
>>64543998Post the gif
>>64542702You're naming companies that would become successful in the 90's. The big name in the 70's was IBM, and oh gee I wonder why any mention of them died by the 90's.
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What does /k/ think of the recent chinkoid crash out? The Japanese PM said they would intervene militarily if china invades Taiwan, and the Chinese ambassador threatened to cut the japanese PM's head off, banned imports of japanese marine products, and warned Chinese people not to travel to Japan because it's "dangerous". I guess Japan intervening would really fuck up china's plans to bully Taiwan, judging by how much they freaked out over some throwaway comment that amounts to "yeah we will get involved if you start a war of aggression in our neighborhood "
>>64543372>deadliest>055Maybe, assuming anything the Chinks claim is true.>052Stop takin' da piss slant. Why do they always have to oversell shit? They don't seem to understand that effective propaganda is subtle, even if you are telling the truth nothing alienates non-commies more than triumphalism.>YJ-21air-launched can't fit in VLS>YJ-17ground-launched can't fit in VLS>YJ-20Well one out of three is, more than zero out of three. >>64542637>more developedBy what fucking metric Zhang? Do I need to explain percapita to you? Also the public debt in Chinkland is ten times what it was at its worst in Japan, per capita, because the local governments did the Chink thing of digging holes in the ground and filling them in again and pretending its a worthwhile endeavor.
>>64543372thats a lot of barking for the supposed number one. if it were true, it would be self evident
>>64546597I think japan based
>>64543372Lmao that fag blocked me after I pointed out chink submarine noise levels in a recent post he made
China will defeat all puppet states.Your allies were never your allies.
>>64546597Just chinks being pathetic subhumans, as always.
>>64546597It's attempted intimidation. If they snap at anyone who even suggests they'll help Taiwan, the hope is it will scare everyone off. After all, muh nooks has done wonders for the Russians despite their clear paper tiger status.I have seen it suggested that the Chinks think of invading Taiwan as a significantly worse Plan B. Plan A is to just freeze them out and make independence so unbearable that they choose reunification at any cost instead. It's not a ridiculous plan, there are a lot of Taiwanese that think of themselves as Chinese, after all, and the KMT has shed its virulent hatred of the Commies while retaining the dream of returning to the mainland.
>>64543372Kek. China doesn't even own their own coastline.
>>64542643>respected thinkers on /k/
>>64543831Oh hey, it's the same delusional claptrap about China collapsing any minute now that I've had to listen to for the last thirty fucking years. Shit's getting boring.
>>64544006>unified KoreaThey would be too dragged down trying to build up the north>>64544049Every single first world society is heading for demographic collapse, that's not unique to them.
>>64548140>CollapseTo collapse you first have to stand for even a single second.
>>64542637Sure they are chang
>>64543372What is it with chinkshills posting screenshots of tweets made by other retarded chinkshills and pretending it’s some sort of implessive display of power?
>>64544008It's a zero sum game for the Chinks and all the nascent thirdie industrial bases are fighting back.
>>64547860China will devolve into factionalism as its economy slows down. A global recession is gonna fuck China hard.
>>64546597Manlet rage can be nasty, damn.
>>64546597They literally went from chimping out screaming about chopping the heard of the Japanese PM off and bashing the skulls of Japanese people open to pussying out and saying that the feelings of the Chinese people were hurt. At least Soviet propaganda had a common theme.
>>64546597There's a reason the US used to say the diplomatic equivalent of "Shut up, we'll handle it." to Japan any time something in Asia happened. While everybody there hates each other with a passion, they hate Japan even more and as a result Japan sticking it's oar in to anything over there will always lead to a shitstorm.
>>64548376NTA, but reminds me of Bush Sr. in 1991 having to tell Israel to suck it up and just let Saddam hit them.
>>64542660When you succumb to the temptation to make big "dramatic" clickbait claims or shocking predictions with big scary headlines you actually don't get credit for anything less than your absurd scenario coming to pass fully.Forgoing discussions of "kind of right" and "half right" and "said some things worth considering" is the price you pay for being an overdramatic faggot, and like someone who bet too big and lost, you rightfully are a laughingstock for life.
Idiot /k/ makes thread about Japan about China. Why are you so obsessed hm?
>>64548180What does this mean
Japan does actually have the second strongest navy in the world even if you take the chinks at face value (and the second strongest air force in the world if you count the entire US as one and take chink claims with a small grain of salt), but I don't see why they'd end up in a war with the US.
>>64549376>Japan does actually have the second strongest navy in the world No they don't. They don't have any carriers.
>>64549434They have multipurpose aviation cruisers, and more importantly, they have F-35s to put on them.
>>64549441Exactly, they don't have any carriers. They only have destroyers with the capability to store and deploy certain aircraft.
>>64549471Certain aircraft including the only fifth generation multirole fighter in the world.
>>64546597I want to fuck the prime minister of Japan so bad bros, she makes China mad and she makes my dick hard, perfect combo
>>64547860List of Chinese Allie’s>RussiaRaped>Pakistan Dying of thirst >Iran Raped>North KoreaGoing alright to my knowledge so that’s a win for China>Myanmar Cluster Fuck>Venezuela About to be raped>Cambodia/LaosThey have suffered enough, leave them be please
>>64542554Somewhere I have an old book from the 80s that mentions the Type 64 as "the shadowy rifle of a nation that's not even supposed to have an army."
>>64549889>IranAlso somehow running out of water and considering moving their capital
>>64549376>>64549434>>64549471See >>64542685
>>64549889>IranRaped AND dying of thirst!>CambodiaThey need to suffer more due to being more retarded than the fucking vatnigs by attacking a country that has more troops, better training, AND better equipment (Thailand)!
>>64549889>fucking North Korea is currently the least unsuccessful Chinese allyHoly Jesus I've never thought of it that way.
>>64550300Obviously, North Korea has nukes aimed and Beijing and Moscow and they're nuts enough to press the button if they don't get their way. Kim owns that entire half of the planet.
>>64548376I suspect things are getting to a point where most of China's neighbors feel more concerned and threatened with them throwing their weight around and are likely viewing Japan as the lesser of two evils, or at least less of an imminent existential threat.China's been enough of an aggro cunt that we've now got things like commie Vietnam being a US military ally. Is it really so weird in these circumstances to think that some countries might start trying to get on friendly terms with Japan?
>>64542637youre crazier than my uncle that cut off his dick and then got banned from the Australian embassy
>>64550374Don't talk shit about my Dad
>>64550399jenna youre an ugly south jersey whore and you're short and fat and you carry a goddamn ukulele around everywhere like a weirdo from an anime.
>>64546597>The Japanese PM said they would intervene militarily if china invades TaiwanShe didn't even say anything that to that level of provacativeness. IIRC she was asked a question about what Japan would do if things went hot in the Strait, to which she replied that it would be a "survival threatening situation" (Japanese legal speak required to activate the MSDF for literally anything from evacuation work to natural disaster relief, per their constitution)2 reasons for it spiraling the way it as, in my opinion, are that:1. Takaichi answered off the cuff instead of having her comments written and re-written a half dozen times before being handed to her like most Japanese PMs do, so the verbiage of what she said wasn't the usual legalese that they use to dance around questions like this, and China is hypersensitive to anything being said that's even remotely a departure from the status-quo.2. She's new on the job, and a self-proclaimed nationalist to boot, so China was always going to be looking to "lay down the law" with her at the earliest possible opportunity and this is what they jumped on.
>>64550371Aside from South Korea beating the anti-Japan drum whenever election season rolls around and China being China, the overwhelming majority of Asia feels more positively about Japan than China or the US for the exact reasons you've listed. Part of Japan's reparations work was extensive industrial and economic support throughout Asia in the 60s-80s, and the cultural exports helped promote a positive image. Add to it that most of China's neighbors have had some sort of dispute with them near permanently for the last half century and it's been 80 years since Japan touched anyone and you get what you have now.
>>64548172Yeah ahaha China isn't even real! Just another one of them hoaxes hehaw
>>64550228I still don't get why the fuck they did that.
>80s US vs Japan thread>on an image board>just walls of text discussing China>not a single pic of 80s JSDF You're all the gayest niggers on this earth.
Haruna class was pretty based.
>>64542666>Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor"dude... japs can't sell us stuff anymore so... like they attack us!"reddit tier historical fanfiction>>64542961his books were on mars compared to the other military slop>>64546597>Chinese ambassador threatened to cut the japanese PM's head off, banned imports of japanese marine products, and warned Chinese people not to travel to Japan because it's "dangerous"i'm starting to notice a pattern...>threaten to chimp out>eventually chimp out>lose the war you started>realize saving face is impossible>your cosmic humiliation becomes the justification for your future children to chimp out on your behalf>rinse and repeat until isra-japan is destroyed and your humiliation is erased i.e. "muh honor" is restored>>64542637>crashing housing market even worse than america's 2008 because 25-30% of residential real estate loans are for unfinished properties(there is nothing for the bank to seize and resell)>unemployment for 18-30 is aggregated at 30%, nearly 40% in Shenzhen>orange man announces tariffs? Digital renminbi implemented as de-facto cross border payment from july-august to prevent and deter wealth flight>explosion of weibo where people under 30 are talking about being/becoming homeless, jobless, or doom maxing since tariffs>all hands on deck damage control to prevent china's internal debt from imploadingmaybe i'm right, maybe i'm talking out my ass, but the probability of a 2nd cultural revolution occurring went from non-zero to 5% within 3 months.
>>64550447The bigger mistake was failing to forcefully and decisively respond to the Chinese consul general's remarks. A threat of that nature by a duplomatic envoy to the head of government of the host country would never have been tolerated anywhere else and should have resulted in the guy being immediately persona non-grata and packed off home on the first flight back within 24 hours. Imagine if the Chinese consultation in San Francisco had made comments to the same effect towards Trump, there'd be two CSGs on their way to carry out FONOPs in the Taiwan strait.Takaichu showed extreme weakness at a critical juncture. It's well-known by now by countries in the region that China will always engineer such incidents to test the resolve of a new administration and how far they can go - they've done this for Australia and Taiwan before. This is especially so for a known anti-China hawk like her. And frankly the tepid response from Japan does not bode well
>>64550646>comments to the same effect towards Trump, there'd be two CSGs on their way to carry out FONOPs in the Taiwan straitNo. He would rant about it on truth social and nothing would happen. Same as his tough guy rhetoric on sending nuclear subs to Russia after Medvedev called him a retard.
>>64550761Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Why are Chinamen so dedicated to these threads?
>>64550371To be fair to Vietnam, they've hated China for over a thousand years at this point. They have a set of three war memorials in Hanoi. The smallest is to the veterans of what they call The American War. The mid-sized one is in remembrance of those who died in the struggle for freedom against colonizers. The biggest one is a memorial to all who have died in the immortal fight against their ancient and forever enemy, the Chinese.>>64550300Checked. It makes a ton of sense though when you think about it historically. Big continental empires like China and Russia do not want strong, independent states on their borders. So if you can't absorb a place, you do all you can to keep it a backwards rump state, and you constantly run ops to keep your neighbors at each other's throats so they can't gang up on you.>>64550504Cambodia has a long history of needlessly provoking their neighbors then receiving a good, hard shitkicking in return. Pol-Pot shelled Vietnamese villages on their border after the Vietnam War ended, and The Viet response was to roll tanks through his capital three days later and install a puppet government. An asswhooping so total that both the USA and PRC jumped in on captain-killing-field's side to make Vietnam stop occupying Cambodia. Which also proved the domino theory was always retarded, because you had 1 communist state fighting a 2nd communist state, then being invaded by a 3rd communist state while being pressured by the capitalist world order to stop winning so hard against commie 2, because it was scaring commie 3.
>>64553260>The Viet response was to roll tanks through his capital three days later and install a puppet government.I’m constantly amused that the Vietnamese stopped the genocide by accident, imagine being the first Viet soldiers to come across a killing field>Okay you tarantula eating, monkey looking motherfuckers, get ready to get a bayonet up yo………what the fuck?
>>64550527>not a single pic of 80s JSDFA ground war against Japan would be over so fast it wouldn't even be funny. They lost their nerve pretty bad after WW2, and their reliance on American weapons leaves them extremely vulnerable.
>>64553540I vaguely remember reading somewhere that they were aware of the genocide and it was one of the reasons for invading, albeit more due to the trouble it was causing them on their border with refugees and lawlessness rather than out of any humanitarian ideals. That said, much like the rest of the world they didn't comprehend the true scale of the genocide until after the invasion, at which point they decided to roll with it as a post-facto primary casus belli because stopping a massive genocide is always good PR.
>>64553600this they are weak and puppets of usa. china never fell for this.
>>64553756That's not what it means you fucking harebrained chink. A Japan fighting the US is completely different to a Japan fighting with the US.
>>64544002China is 10 Japans demographically and industrially
>>64553969People equating Japan's fall to some prophecy of China's fall are innumerate
>>64553972According to Peter Zeihan, it is Japan which has long term potential to remain a great power, while China will collapse
>>64553969>>64553972>>64553976>all this seething because china sperging out and alienating themselves ruined their economic miracleLol mad
>>64550646>China realizes Japan is weak and tries to invade >Japan takes a couple of weeks to remind China that they have the second most powerful navy and air force in the world>China is left with millions of troops mobilized and no way to get them anywhere
>>64542961It suffers from the Clancy expanding on his ideas from previous books. Mainly the total disposal of ICBMs and SLBMs by the US and Russia, with no attention paid to other nations still possessing them. Also dropping they the Koreas reunified but it's never mentioned how or why anywhere else in the Ryanverse. >>64543372ADCAP food>>64550599Eh, the whole soft coup by the Zaibatsu makes it at least make sense within the story.
>>64552190They were bullied at school
>>64542643>a New York Times best-selling authorSo is the walking embodiment of a reddit mod that wrote Ready Player One
