>>64546033
Depends what you want to use them for.

Generally yes, but not significantly outside normal parameters. The worlds top weight and power lifters are all over 6 ft, and longer stride means more efficient running and higher jumping, but at the extreme end of height and weight you end up with problems if the joints aren't unnaturally bulked up too. It comes down to how useful physicality is to the fighting your supersoldiers are doing, like being a faster runner will never be be enough to change the outcome of a shell to the face.

>>64546033
what do you want them to do?
if you want expendable rank and file, I'd worry about joint resilience before anything else or your giganiggas will become arthritic by 25
if you want infiltrators, height is probably mostly redundant
if you want pilots/vehicle crew, height is actively disadvantageous
I guess bruhreens/assorted shock troops and arty might benefit from more muscle mass, artyfags chime in to correct me

aren't navy seals usually around 6' and anything more starts having VO2max problems?

The extra height and mass should help with strangling me to death between her thighs

Space Marine bolters wouldn't even scratch an Elemental

>>64546498
>Wah! Your imaginary gun wouldnt harm my imaginary armor, so I win!
Well thought out argument, dude.

>>64546033
Depending on just how much you engineering, yeah. If you go really hard into it you can make people that are damn huge and still viable, by upgrading the lungs and heart and all that, but I feel like Clan elementals are about as good as you can (reliably) get through eugenics instead of purely artificial engineering.

They can always get a little better, of course, but still.

>>64546033
You'd probably just put a brain in a robot since the organic body, being a living thing which evolved to survive on way less energy over the course of a month than a killbot uses in five minutes and is not made of metal, is just a waste of space and mass that could be replaced with ammo. Unless this is some magical realm like 40k where the superman is actual space magic and somehow stronger than a robot pound for pound it doesn't really make sense. Clanners for all they are portrayed as "practical" are just as retarded as the most self-destructive inner sphere houses, they are just retarded in a different way. And I'm not even talking about their inability to use basic tactics and strategy.

To be honest its likely going to be robots all the way down with humans just setting the agenda and tard wrangling the machines.

>>64546615
>planners
>practical
Since when? Some of their ideas make sense but they've never been 'practical"

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>>64546033
If you were bioengineering a a race of supersoldiers, wouldn't you want to skew for an imbalanced towards male gender ratio and just keep the women back for babymaking/tending camp instead of masculinizing them and putting them on the battlefield as well?

>>64546607
> but I feel like Clan elementals are about as good as you can (reliably) get through eugenics instead of purely artificial engineering.
they are cloned, their genenome has been heavily fucked with
just look at the aerospace fighters they are frankly even more extreme but dont get the press

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>>64546628
>and just keep the women back for babymaking/tending camp instead of masculinizing them and putting them on the battlefield as well?
iron womb

>>64546033
'ate toads
'ate canborns
luv me toaster
luv Blake
simple as

>>64546628
Yeah it's probably easier to make stronger men then try and make women as strong as bio-engineered men. Just mkae more men at that point unless the goal is to let normal humans eventually die off and just have only super humans.

I think the mother's size has a bigger effect on the child than the father's size.

>>64546596
Nta but you're not going to get anywhere trying to pump up 40k here lmao

>>64546842
If that's the case what's the non fetish reason for making female supersoldiers at all?

>>64546926
Something something taking advantage of certain biological things women bodies might be better at than men.
There probably is something that you can exploit with genetic engineering.

>>64546033
Muscle mommies to make the enemy coom.

>>64546033
Well in this case its purely for me to be able to wear the big power armor, so in that specific situation yeah

>>64546033
>faster strides
>bigger sightlines (probably irrelevant)
>more muscle, more gear, more work
>bigger transportation req
>bigger target
>extra hassle to design from normal troops
May as well just go exosuits, they do the same thing with similar cons except they eat more fuel than food. Unless this is some freak setting where genetic science takes off ahead of mechanical and electrical limitations

>>64546977
>taking advantage of certain biological things women bodies might be better at than men.
>There probably is something that you can exploit with genetic engineering.
baby farms

women are most genetically predisposed to having and raising children. there's nothing else they can do that can be physically manipulated.
the female hormonal makeup makes them biologically more risk-averse, patient and detail-oriented with repetitive tasks, and good at forming nurturing relationships (thanks to oxytocin). pretty useful for home and civilian life, but not on a battlefield.
physically, the average female is mogged by the average male in nearly all the combat tasks.

in the army, women are good at doing clerical work, manning despatch and comms, piloting aircraft and driving lorries. this fits well into their natural skill-set mentioned above. (women would make great logi truckers because they would be happy doing a repetitive task for long hours while obeying all traffic laws. provided you can get them to not drive like a road-hogging cunt, and convoying fixes that.) but there's nothing you need to genetically manipulate about this.

even maintainers and tank drivers need to do heavy physical work at times.

>>64547016
>piloting aircraft
Bullshit, that's 50s libertarian Heinlein cope, they have shit spatial awareness and can take half the Gs of an untrained slob.
>driving
Nah man, they get lost.
Don't give the cunts and inch, not only will they take a mile you'll never get pussy that way.

>>64547616
this guy types like he gets lots of matches on bumble

>>64546033
It'd be advantageous for my gooning sessions.

>>64546915
I'm pretty sure he's making fun of how retarded powerscaling is.
I just wrote a story on a napkin where I'm megasuperman, I can beat 1,000,000 supermans and eat black holes, so I am the bestest. Battletech and 40k are literally shit on my shoe and I can smirk at fans of both of them.
Usually 'my fictional thing is fictionally stronger' means you're simply a fan of something made up by a writer with less of a grasp of subtlety or physics. And to beat 40k in that contest is not a seal of quality.

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>>64546865
That's not how it fucking goes, newfag.

>'ate trashborns
>'ate snakes (not racis just don't like em)
>'ate dracs
>Luv arr Victor
>Luv me autocannons
>Luv me Star Leef
>Simple as

>>64546915
smartest 40k hater

he said nothing of the sort you dumbfuck, keep your cringe shit out of here.

>>64546033
No, it wouldn't be. Future soldiers will be like battle angel alita. Being small and nimble offers far more advantages than huge and slow.

No, smaller is better - smaller soldiers are harder to hit, easier to transport, eat less and the crew compartments of any vehicle they operate can also be made smaller which allows for thicker armor and more maneuverability. They'd need less living space and take up less life support.

The genetically engineered super soldier of the future will be two feet tall.

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>>64546033
Combat sports at the heavyweight-ultra heavyweight seem to suggest that there is diminishing returns past 250lbs. Too many examples of 215lb HW's destroying 300-500lb guys. Could be gravity or bone densities at these weights. The soldier would have to be engineered more robustly than a regular human of equivalent weight.

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>>64546083
>more starts having VO2max problems
You're hitting the core of the issue without even realizing it.

It really depends on the atmosphere they're operating in.
You can't just scale up naturally evolved organisms and expect them to function at all, they're already shaped by atmospheric oxygen concentration.

If you go back a 100 million years then sure, your giant spess muhreens would be more optimal than today's humans.

>>64547724
I mean, the suit is pressurised. You can tailor the atmosphere inside it to be whatever you want it to be.

>>64547745
Yeah but that's bullshit.
You, a normal sized human, consume around 400 liters of pure oxygen every day.
The reason the Astartes video is so short is because spess muhreens can't function any longer on suit oxygen reserves.

>>64547705
I can sort of see how this has made sense ever since killing became a function of pulling a trigger finger. 2 foot soldiers would be pretty based and african warlordpilled, imagine an APC spilling dozens of them out like a clown car.
But the average modern soldier is carrying something like 60-100 pounds of gear on a good day, because surviving at the front and fighting a war requires a whole lot of shit beyond just a gun and a couple of mags.
And not everything scales down in size with the micro soldier. The MANPAD, the MANPATS, the radio, the EW, the ammunition that can penetrate the enemy's body armor (you can't just issue mini-me a kolibri), all kinds of shit doesn't scale. Humping shit around is a big part of soldiery.

>>64547759
I'm not a diver, how long does a compressed 02 tank scaled up to astartes size last? Probably many times longer than that video I would guess

>>64546033
RAPE

>>64547616
>spatial awareness and can take half the Gs
that's not what I meant
I meant they can be C-130 drivers and such
>they get lost.
another problem solved by convoying

although I guess self-driving trucks would replace them, so that's out.

>>64547775
It lasts precisely the length of one (1) plot unit.

Seriously, space marines don't even carry enough bolter ammo for any kind of sustained engagement.

>>64546071
IIRC the main points with Elementals is increased endurance (still an issue even with their suits), their size allowing teh suits a longer stride and a couple other minor advantages and most of all that them all being relatively similar in build and size means the suits cna be built in mostly uniform sizes rather than having to be tailored to each trooper.

>>64546828
They're not exactly clones. Trueborn Clanners are artificially conceived, but they still mix the genes of a pair of parents and let them combine randomly rather than just clone a single person over and over.

>>64547016
>more risk-averse, patient and detail-oriented with repetitive tasks
All of these sound highly advantageous to have on a battlefield.

>>64547953
>excuse me, you appear to have written a story where the female protagonist is wearing a very short skirt, this would lead to scenarios that would expose her to embarrassing difficulties, please rectify this with a more reasonable outfit
Getting into melee for no especially good reason is a downside? It's the point, anon. They have massive muscles and chainswords and bullshit to rip and tear through the enemy in close combat which is cool as hell and pleases the god emperor. I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or just haven't read your codex lately.

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>>64547969
>risk-averse
they will be pinned down easily and refuse to move
>patient
the battlefield calls for physical endurance more than mental, although both are important, so their patience never really goes anywhere
it's been theorised that patience means they could do well as ambush snipers, but the modern sniper has to be more mobile and carry more kit than previously, so once again, lack of physical endurance is a problem
hardware has replaced most dedicated observation roles
>detail-oriented
it's easier to teach knuckledragging roidasaurs to be detail-oriented than to get women to pack on muscle, so once again, physical requirements precludes them from all but comms and admin work
they might do alright as SAM launcher and radar / EW crew, but not a lot of women go into electronics fields
>repetitive tasks
caveat again, physical endurance, so it has to be repetitive tasks which DON'T require greater physical effort. which is not a lot in frontline roles

my cunt's army makes the really braindead guys howitzer loaders and MPs, because even a fucking bear can hump shells all day long and MPs always need dumb muscle as bouncers, but women can't even do that

>>64547999
>they will be pinned down easily and refuse to move
Not what being risk-averse is, idiot.

The modern battlefield absolutely calls for mental patience every bit as much as physical endurance. 99% boredom and 1% sheer fucking terror, after all.

>it's easier to teach knuckledragging roidasaurs to be detail-oriented than to get women to pack on muscle
Pure copium.

And literally everything you bitch about doesn't apply anymore when you throw in a couple centuries of targeted eugenics.

FFS, literally everything you bitch about doesn't stop modenr armies from employing women in frontline roles, either. And I'll be trusting the judgement of said armies infinitely more than some random retard on the internet.

>dumb muscle as bouncers
Literally the most retarded take ever in the age of pepper spray and tasers. Being a good boucner today is 99.9% attitude and putting up with boredom.

>>64548030
ywnbaw

>>64548036
ywnbam

>>64548036
>>64548043
Get a room you two

Bio-engineered supersoldiers are a retarded concept. Giving humans superhuman physiques just means they'll starve to death in a week if you don't give them a diet of 20000 calories a day or some shit.The only reasonable biological enhancements are ones that improve endurance and maybe reflexes/aiming. If you want superhuman speed, strength and toughness, then put them in power armor.

And at the end of the day, they would still be brutally mogged by androids or cyborgs.

>>64548115
Feed them uranium. Shitloads of calories in that.

>>64548115
>Giving humans superhuman physiques just means they'll starve to death in a week if you don't give them a diet of 20000 calories a day or some shit
wow that's like 3 and half kilograms of peanut butter, can superhumans carry that much and is modern agriculture equipped to produce such an excess of food? Androids and cyborgs are going to be reality before bioengineering can be, that's common sense and safe to assume, but feeding a big guy (for you) sure sounds like crazy talk.

>>64547724
>If you go back a 100 million years then sure, your giant spess muhreens would be more optimal than today's humans.
Yeah thats true, the reason why there used to be much bigger insects was on account of the atmospheric composition being quite different

>>64547745
what if you're not talking space marine/elemental power armor? hell in BT it is cannon that elementals that dont make the grade will serve as secondline troops without power armor, and Hells Horses do use them for special forces commandos

>>64546926
Saves wasting time on selecting only sperm with Y chromosome, allows troops to engage in stress relief, allows them to breed naturally if they fail training and have to do something else in a 'normal' life

>>64547688
Davion are Franco-Prussian not English

>>64548276
norf is a state of mind

>>64546033
Who knows, but let's clone those musclegirls anyway.

>>64548115
have you looked at MREs? they calorie dense, soldiers are already fed such a diet

>>64548276
tbf there is also a heavy Arthurian element

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>>64546033
No, that just makes you a bigger target.

>>64546083
I think it mostly reflects them on average being around the average male height in the US.

>>64547759
>The reason the Astartes video is so short is because spess muhreens can't function any longer on suit oxygen reserves.
Kek

>>64547759
>>64547775
>>64547953
They wouldn't use tanks. It would be a convertor/generator.

>>64548481
Average US male height is 5'9"

>>64548583
>50% of men
>need not apply

>>64548583
That's just a couple of inches shorter than 5'11". Also, varies by ethnicity, so it could be skewed by who joins shit like SEALs. Dunno how Mexican the SEALs are now and I think most variants of asians probably don't sign up in droves either.

>>64546498
Bolter rounds are armor piercing so they'd penetrate the Elemental's armor and detonate inside thus killing the Elemental in 1 hit.

>>64548666
>he doesn’t know

>>64547715
>The soldier would have to be engineered more robustly than a regular human of equivalent weight
As king manlet, I've sparred with lots of guys much bigger than me. Big guys really, really hate falling, being dumped on the ground, or hip tossed. Cube-root law and F=MA and all that.
For hand fighting and combat, endurance takes precedence above a minimum size.

>>64548666
Battletech armor is weird in that it's very, very difficult to penetrate. Instead it ablates in chunks depending on how much energy you dump into it.

Even some battle armor (powered suits) will eat direct hits from tank/mech scale heavy weaponry and be able to return fire. Albeit only once.

>>64547680
While normally I'd agree with you, this is one case where going by the lore of both sides anon is completely correct. However, he also leaves out that that Elementals can't scratch SM armor either barring their SRM2s which aren't designed to be used against infantry targets.

>>64546498
Bro Bolters would SHREAD Elementals, Kraken rounds would zip right through.
>BT armor rules
Where less than a half ton of armor somehow provides 10pts of overall coverage? Battlearmor should have the same hit tables as Mech's.
>Elemental
>Torso
6 armor 1 crit
>left arm 1 armor 1 crit
>right arm 1 armor 1 crit
>left leg 1 armor 1 crit
>right leg 1 armor 1 crit
Even taking AC5 (75-120mm autocannons) without turning the occupant into fucking spaghetti sauce is stretching sci fi to the max.

>>64549496
>which aren't designed to be used against infantry targets.
Eh. Only sorta true. You definitely could pop an SRM at a lone dude, it's just not very efficient because an Elemental only has two of them.

Of course if they were a class A shithead and loaded infernos they'd be way more eager to take shots at infantry but then I wonder how effective they'd be against marines. I guess they fuck up battle armor pretty well so maybe there's something extra spicy in that 4th millennium napalm.

>>64547958
The armor predates the genetically engineered people wearing them, normal people can use Elemental armor, and Inner Sphere Standard isn't as good as Elemental because of IS' shitty tech rather than using normal pilots. Clan autism mostly just reinforces Clan preconceptions rather than providing any benefit.

>>64548276
>franco-prussian
lmao. Prussia stopped existing a century ago. There's no such thing as a "prussian" by the 31st century, let alone when the settlers of New Avalon left Earth.

>>64549550
The main advantage of the Inner Sphere Standard is that it's mass manufactureable and available in and out of the Sphere, which isn't too bad of an exchange.

>>64549772
>Prussia stopped existing a century ago. There's no such thing as a "prussian" by the 31st century, let alone when the settlers of New Avalon left Earth.
... and this would stop the writers from giving them a Prussian flavor how? You talk about this stuff like it matters.

>>64546071
It's the opposite, actually. The power lifters are all dwarves.

>>64548276
Davion are Arthurian American,
Kurita are Jap American,
Liao are Chink American,
Steiner are German American,
Marik is a joke
they don't behave a lick like /int/ because the writers are all solidly Midwestern American

>>64547616
>Nah man, they get lost.
Fortunately that never happens to tankers on exercises in Germany.

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>>64549772
Prussian

>>64546033
No. This is sci-fi from the 80s when miniaturization wasn't a thing they could conceptualise. You want as small and as powerful as possible for everything. A human brain in a chimp body carrying around a tiny pistol that can shoot miles away will be the apex soldier, can get around everywhere into any position and carry anything. Easy to hide, easy to dodge, quick and reflexsive. Would you rather try to shoot a chimp or gorilla sized target in a war?

Any person over 7" also suffers greatly from square cube law, can't even pump blood properly.

>>64550799
>Any person over 7" also suffers greatly from square cube law, can't even pump blood properly.

This is true. My cock is just over 9" and it doesn't naturally get throbbing hard like a lot of smaller guys do. Thanks to modern pharmaceuticals, you can watch the vein throb along with my pulse, but naturally it's not that rock hard.

>>64546033
They'd probably be wiry manlets that are resource efficient and very good at managing fatigue before anything else.

>>64550692
What the fuck are you talking about power lifters are quite tall.

>>64546926
No, but that's not a bad thing

>>64555331
Nah they're all little nuggets.

>>64550748
>Arthurian American
What is that even supposed to look like?

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>>64556621
[would you like to know more?]

>>64548030
>Literally the most retarded take ever in the age of pepper spray and tasers
You need to watch more bodycam footage, anon.

>>64548272
>allows troops to engage in stress relief
The Greeks and the Russians never needed that, so why would we?

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>>64556629
That's less of a blend than the one culture supplanting the other. The climax of the book is literally soulless but effective modern technology and defensive tactics slaughtering the Round Table.

>>64556659
okay, you clearly don't know anything about BT so you didn't get the joke

Davions are the designated Anglo (some say protagonist) faction of Battletech. Strangely, the original writers despite being solidly Midwest American chose to make it "English / French", by giving them the cultural traits of adopting British peerage titles, enjoying tea, and naming the capital planet New Avalon and other important things after Arthurian knights and chivalric concepts

it's just that... over the course of around two hundred novels and sourcebooks and three decades of a franchise that used to be bigger than 40k, Saturday morning cartoon series and all, the Davions don't behave English at all, and the French connection is nearly totally absent other than brief mentions of Arthurian and chivalric fanboying. and in fact the faction's core values in the game revolve around DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM and the RIGHTS OF MAN, which they enforce by military conquest and carrying a big stick

>>64556684
You're right, I don't know shit about Battletech. Your explanation does make the joke make sense, though, so thanks.

>>64556684
> some say protagonist
I would say those people need to wake the fuck up because it’s not 3049 anymore

>>64556684
>the faction's core values in the game revolve around DEMOCRACY
They literally don't though

>>64556684
> the faction's core values in the game revolve around DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM and the RIGHTS OF MAN and STARTING A WAR to impress your JAILBAIT WIFE and because FUCK CAPELLANS
FTFY.
Hanse Davion best Davion.
Luv me autocannons

>>64556816
Silence, clanner.

>>64556843
The only faction in the game that can claim to really be fighting for democracy is Fronc Reaches

>>64556825
>STARTING A WAR to impress your JAILBAIT WIFE
Hello? Based?

>>64556806
*3067

>>64556816
true, every major faction is a feudal or totalitarian space empire*, but the FS are the only ones who really go in for that human rights, freedom of the press, freedom of speech etc stuff which is the difference between a Western democracy and a banana republic

*other than Caesar Marik's European Union Empire SPQR, confederation de jure, permanent imperium de facto

>>64556825
>FUCK CAPELLANS
>Hanse Davion best Davion.
>Luv me autocannons
Preach

>>64556862
She was 17 years and 364 Terran days

>>64546033
Would