Realistically, how long will it take for demining efforts to ensure war torn parts of Ukraine are habitable again, especially in the eastern part of the country?
>>64550499In about 2 more weeks
>>64550499They are still finding mines in Cambodia 30 years on. They even find some UXO in German cities during construction on ocassion. So functionally? Most gone in a year or two, but the issue will persist for a solid century.
>>64550499Mines are easy to deal with. It's all the duds and discarded grenades and such that are a problem. Also, Europe is going to be awash with guns when this shit ends.
How many Donbabwean orphans are set aside for demining work?
>>64550526They are not fit for the job. They aren't fed enough to set off the mines. Thank the so called ukrainians for bombing them for the last 12 years
where has the orb of pissky gone?
>64550545>zigger says after littering the country he claims to wish "liberated" with unexploded ordnance for 3+ yearsAlso update your metodichka, pidor. Tsaaaar monke rejected the latest piss plun.
>>64550499by next decade they'll clear up large corridors that make traveling safe in roads and well-trodden paths, but in the woodland and countryside mines and UXO will stay dangerous until 2100, like it happened in (You)goslavia
>>64550499They'll just run cattle farms and know it's safe when the cows stop setting them off
>>64550545You dont understand pidor. If he accepted the piss plan he is DEAD. Budanov will convert to Islam and turn Azov into White Al-Qaeda/Taliban and the war will goes on forever even without Zelensky. You need to accept that this is about life and death of a nation. Nothing to do with Jews or bankers like you schizo poltard think.
>>64550499Exceptionally easy with todays technologyIn Croatia the biggest problem for mine removal was terrain - woods and mountainsThe plains were cleared of the mines almost immediately
>>64550499depends, how many pow's they have
>>64550545>unlivable Post indoor plumbing and fuel gauge
>>64550562LmaoBut real talk, cattle is very expensive. 1 cow per mine would be stupidly cost prohibitive
Decades, unless they come up with some very efficient new techniques. There are millions of mines, and only god knows how many tonnes of UXO there is
>>64550598A dairy cow costs about 550 euros in northern european markets. About two months wage for a Ukrainian.
>>64550499When all the rusnik fucks are fleeing the inevitable puccian civil war, make em find ten mines before they get to claim asylum. I give it ten months before you run out of mines or run out of rusniks.
>>64550545>/K/'sDumb phoneposter
>>64550562Cows don't disturb the soil enough. And moving a dead cow is a massive pain in the dick, and if you leave it the rest of the herd ain't ever going to cross that area again. What you want are pigs. Bonus, pig carcasses instantly become pig food.
>>64550545
>offering a bribe>when your money is held by a loan shark that wants you deadHmm
>>64550545>/K/
Shit's fucked. People also forget that certain explosives leave chemicals in the local watertable just by existing and exploding.
>>64550499We'll find out where the war is over. For example that depends on how many Russian POWs are available for doing demining work before their return after Russian defeat. Could easily be tens of thousands.
They're still finding unexploded ordnance from the American Civil War.
>>64550499>After Russia and Ukraine have been completely destroyed, we will hand Ukraine over to Russia.>Russia will pay the full cost of rebuilding Ukraine.>Russia's economy will collapse and fall like the Soviet Union.>The West will be completely victorious, the ex-sovietarded will be eradicated, Europa will be saved, and we can focus on our final crusade against China in the future.
>>64551238>Russia>rebuilding UkraineThey can’t even rebuild their own country.
>>64550506>Most gone in a year or twoOnly in the most often used regions, cities, roads, the like. The rest is gonna just get warning signs and keep being a problem for decades.And agreed about the issue never going away entirely. Hell, WW1 UXO still crops up semi-regularly.
Even Japan, which is used to unearthing unexploded bombs, was surprised by the explosion under an airport runway last year.
>>64550499why remove them? leave them in the ground. either russia collapses or they'll try again.
>>64551303What's the national dish of Porkland, dry aged zigger? Donbabwe orphan cutlets?
>>64550535>They aren't fed enough to set off the minesThe Donbas was famous for its metalworks. They'll each get a school backpack fit with metal scrap.
>>64550499You throw a bolt and if the ground doesn’t click it’s safe to walk.
>>64551781
>>64550499NYTimes had a piece today about the massive ongoing Russian efforts to rebuild Mariupol, and the article didn't once mention UXO. I would think that Mariupol is filthy with shit like that.
>>64550506>So functionally? Most gone in a year or two, but the issue will persist for a solid centuryNot quite that long, explosives aren't even shelf-stable for "a solid century"But the extent of the latter problem will vary depending on how business-savvy the companies rebuilding Ukraine are.
>>64551289Well I too would be surprised by WWII ordnance suddenly going off on its own 80 years later.
>>64551790Different pack
>>64550506Don't forget all the Belgian farmers that still manage to unearth unexploded WW1 shells. Sure the volume of ammunition was way higher but shit sticks around for far too long.
>>64550499>as at December 2022Do I want to know how bad would more recent map look?
kek
>>64550499150 yearshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge
>>64552277>Some areas still remain heavily contaminated. For example, at a site in the vicinity of Verdun, arsenic constitutes up to 176 grams per kilogram (18%) in the soil.
>>64550499Lmao pretty much all of that land will uninhabitable. Niggas in Europe are still occasionally digging up unexploded bombs and mines from WW2. The sheer amount of undetonated drones or cities and fields riddled with mines almost guarantee that no matter who wins, nobody is gonna be itching to go anywhere near those areas
>>64551829>explosives aren't even shelf-stable for "a solid century"That doesn't mean they just go away, anon. It just means they're more likely to spontaneously kill you when you do find them.
>>64552311Wrong, it DOES mean they just go away. Literally degrade to nothing. Quite rapidly in some cases. Depending on the soil composition and temperature.They're not going to go off unless the primary explosive and whole detonator mechanism is still functional. Even then, old buried explosives have lost most of their power even if the casing is still mostly intact.
>>64550499There's also lots of destroyed infrastructure, pollution from all destroyed or damaged vehicles, rotting corpses, even simple trenches disrupt soil and can cause erosion, and ukies will have fewer people to work on reconstruction. All because some manlet couldn't cope with the fact that empire he was born in no longer exists
>>64550499>Post-war What post-war ? Even if they sign a "peace deal", Russia will invade Ukraine sooner or later and Ukraine will not abandon its lands.So it will be frozen war no matter what. Like Germany and France after 1870 or Armenia and Azerbaidjan.
>>64552339Even if most won't go off after decades of being buried, there is a shit ton of them. France and Belgium still has problems from unexploded ordnance from The Great War. A few years back someone died from a Civil War shell that exploded. Explosives can still be deadly after decades or even centuries.
>Want to claim territory>scorched fields filled with mines, skeletons, and is likely hauntedimagine getting that oil will be difficult. >russia hires some desperate vatniks to run around in fields until all the mines are cleared outno idea how they would address all the ghosts, tho>fuel donkey got taken by a spectre last week. we are in need of new fuel donkey to transporting the crude
>>64550499>December 2022Must be way worse now, it's almosy 2026
>>64550499There's no point, nobody will live there anyway. Ukrainians have all left and Russians had negative population growth even before the war. Those places will never be rebuilt except for a few key places like Melitopol for propaganda purposes.
It hasn't been used since WWI, but if the explosive is picric acid, it becomes sensitive when it comes into contact with metal, and does not require the action of a fuse.Other explosives may also begin to release nitroglycerin as they deteriorate.
new zigger cope just dropped https://x.com/ripplebrain/status/1992731493588693194
>>64550499Considering they could just use drones to drive chain tanks across all these fields? About 2 years. The only reason "demining" takes decades in Vietnam and SE Asia is because the NGOs are paid millions to do it.
>>64552690nigga no one is reading this shit
why do these zigger retards keep thinking that "prisoner exchange rates" is a meaningful argument ?https://x.com/NNNNNNMRN/status/1992758107873951877?s=20
>>64552704that's all they've got to cope with insane russian losses confirmed by even their own accounts
>>64552690>newMuh wunderwaffles isn’t new
>>64552751maybe not from ziggers and their proxies but to see a supposed american say that laughable shit is pretty odd
>>64552690>>64552704X is one giant psyop to control western politics
>>64552777
>>64552777>>64552779What an unexpected turn of events, noone could see this coming.
>>64552779it's a easy way for third worlders to make money. x pays people for views if you didn't know.
>>64552704Its interesting that zigger glazers looove this 'ukranian men are being abducted' while being completely silent about the luganda press gangs with over 100% casualty rates. Really makes you think.
>>64550499wtf are they doing?
>>64553133unexploded doritos
>>64550509Created this thread at 3am, intended to put UXO Demining Efforts but just forgot I guess
>>64552779truly the 911 of twitter "patriots" kek
Bump
>>64550499I worked for a few years with a HMA Demining organisation, but not in Ukraine thank fuck.>About a century is the best guess, but nobody will say it in case it upsets the Ukies and scares away the donors who will want fast PR clearances while the news is still fresh.Its not the mines its the UXO and ERW.One bomb crater they found an 88mm HE projo in the bottom from 1942-45Its multiple layers of shit junk and boobytraps as every house and village gets re-liberated multiple times until theyre stacking boobytraps onto boobytraps.
>>64550506Hell the red zones in France still have mines they find from WW1.
>>64552382>Belgium and France still have problems with uxoI'd call it more of a hassle nowadays.Haven't had any fatalities in decades.t-farmers son from around Ypers
>>64553760Then you have those huge mines like the Lochnagar mine which a few of them are still around and can explode.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oEcSJntk5U
>>64553776I've been to the crater that this mine explosion made.
>post-warimplying
>>64553794Perpetual cold war without end as the major hegemons struggle over the last scraps of competition.Enjoy the next few generations.
>>64553776and that's a problem how?those are under fields with no one living in the lethal blast radius. that's without how much the explosives will have degraded by now and ofc the mighty IF.nah uxo was a real problem up until the 60ies.you're much more likely to lose a tractor to a ditch than to uxo and much more likely to lose your life to a tractor than uxo since the 60ies.and keep in mind that those fields where farmed after a minimal effort clearance effort.heck my dad used to go scavenging the fields for old iron when he was a kid. he'd frequently come across uxo and just lug it to the nearest light or power post for DOVO to pick up.if those fields where such a constant killer then at least half my dad's class would have become red mist.the thing is that it's all nice, flat and open land, just like Ukraine. so you can see where you are going and if something is sticking out of the ground.not one of those jungle hellholes where just walking off the beaten path is likely to get you killed even without the uxo.
>>64553794post-war implying in the best case scenario where Ukraine regains it’s post-USSR borders and is able to receive NATO and EU assistance with demining
>>64550499the REAL problem will be the sea mines there have already being 3 cases of mines spotted at the straights drifting towards the aegean seaand witht he strong currents the aegean sea has they could transport them far south
>>64553807>and that's a problem how?It's really not too much of a problem once an initial de-mining is done that gets most of the actually armed, non-UXO stuff.UXO is a bit of a mixed bag. For example: Lots of forests in central and eastern Europe are still full of stuff from WW2, and that is bad news whenever a forestry worker dies to a tree some old HE round.And it's pretty fucked up when there is a forest fire, and the firefighters have to GTFO because UXO starts cooking off. A few years ago they had to use some ARVs near Berlin, but IIRC they just cordoned off the area and let it burn. In Germany there are some areas where they just posted signs that basically go 'Warning UXO in these woods, do not run around like a moron and collect mushrooms here'In cities it's way more anoying and dangerous, of course. There are a few cases each year where they have to clear a cirlce of a few hundred meters, mostly when some building gets torn down and tehy dig out a new foundation.The most hair raising one Iremember was when they found one stuck in the metal framework of a berlin subway bridge, they were able to pull teh fuze but it turned out it was not inactive. Sat there for 70 years or so, with trains rumbling over it, just didn't go off.So, to answer OP's question: It takes a century, but since most of the fighting is in open fields or in now utterly destroyed small villages, it's less terrible than one might think at first.Also, they have shit-tons of drones now, to actually go and find the things.pic related, Berlin has a dedicated area where they store UXO and blow it in a controlled manner
>>64553823>best case scenario is the set up for another war
>>64553890>eastern europeyea I those are a good 30 years younger than the stuff we have in the ground over here (mind you they do on occasion find some lost WWII ordinance).one of the guys from DOVO also told me that WWII ordinance in general has better build quality that makes it decay slower (idk how that works, probably fuses and shit that don't rust as fast)
>>64553900>better build quality that makes it decay slower (idk how that works, probably fuses and shit that don't rust as fast)In some cases where a bomb hit sandy ground and didn't deform too much they can literally just screw out the fuze(s), and the rust/corrosion/etc is just on the outside.In Poland and Eastern Germany there are also areas that were used by the Soviets for training, and they pretty much just shot live ammo and didn't give a fuck if a few duds ended up in a field or forest.
>>64553916>Some schizo who never held any important position >That means its trueZister pls
>>64554096wait a sec in current Russian narrative are the Ukrainians:Nazis, Jews, NATO puppets, EU socialists, US capitalist cronies?Or is itr all of the above depending on which Indian/Nigerian/etc shill account is posting?
>>64551238Retard they didn't even rebuild chechnya
China won.
>>64554190>in current Russian narrative are the Ukrainians:>Nazis, Jews, NATO puppets, EU socialists, US capitalist cronies?There is no narrative. The narrative is whatever helps them get away in the next 5 minutes with whatever they're doing. 5 minutes after that, the narrative will change if its advantageous>Or is itr all of the above depending on which Indian/Nigerian/etc shill account is posting? to their deception.yes.
>>64551839Susus Amogus be like that
>>64554216They've only just started.They will keep banging on their Taiwan drum without ever doing anything, and just take Siberia from Russia for free.And Russia will send oil and whatever else China demands, and say thank you like a good little bitch.
>>64554192But they will pay for rebuilding Ukraine.This will lead to a situation where Russia ends up like North Korea, and Ukraine like South Korea.Screenshot this, in 10 years you'll be able to meme with it.
>>64554192Nigga half of the Russian economy is used to pay for shit in Chechnya
>>64554254russia is incapable of having a net positive impact on the world
>>64554258Well yes, but that doesn't mean they're rebuilding anything.Those palaces in Dubai for Kadyrov and his clan are obviously more important than some shit like plumbing or drinking water for Chechen people in Grozny.
>>64552286typical of the zigger's vile nature to contaminate some of the most fertile farmland on the entire planet with heavy metals - a class of contaminants that plants grown in that soil will likely absorb and incorporate into their tissues, especially so because they will then feed those crops to their own people and sell them to their global south "allies"
>>64554249America will probably snap before China ever considers it. Historical materialism in practice.
>>64554301the heavy metal in crops thing is quite over rated.there's been a fair number of studies on farms around Yper over the years. they did have higher levels of heavy metals in them, but not much more than farmers in other parts of belgium so it's more form other sources of contamination than from eating their own crops.
>>64553895Is there a scenario for a peace deal that has Ukraine still exist as a sovereign state that isn’t the setup for another war?
>>64553133I think those are from WW2.
Not my problem
>>64554518Yes, if Ukraine becomes a US or NATO protected state. Ukraine has indicated that it would be willing to give up territory on the condition that an external power will guarantee their sovereignty, but the Russians won't allow them any interaction with NATO and will only allow the US to intervene after asking Russia for permission, which they obviously would never give.
>>64554518the one where the russian economy collapses from sanctions and constant destruction of their oil and gas infrastructure and/or putin is killed by the oligarchs.russia is running on a full war economy and their weapons manufacturers are starting to crack, not a good signhttps://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/russia-s-leading-tank-manufacturer-announces-plans-to-reduce-its-workforce/ar-AA1Q71Th
March every russian man, woman and child at bayonet point until the explosions cease
>>64550499UXO from ww1 is still showing up in french farm fields every so often.
>>64550499It’s a Russian problem from now on
>>64551812>nigger
>>64550555Good post my guy
If America does not ensure that post war Ukraine includes their rightful 1990 borders, and more, then Americans should be on the hook to demine what is left. Preferably with a toothpick. Ukraine deserves much better than what it had gotten.
>>64554819>then Americans should be on the hook to demine what is left. How about no?
>>64554819>>64554848They're gonna do it anyways, the more forward-thinking megacorps are already salivating at the prospect of rebuilding Ukraine for profit.
>>64554819Why is it America's job too make sure Ukraine gets its borders back? Ukraine has to fight for that, it can't be given to them.
>>64554892If Russia remains China's underling in the long-term, it is within the West's interests to prevent its expansion, though this conflict is rather peripheral to American interests in any case and certainly not worth risking a nuclear exchange over. And also there's the fact that Russia is going to win decisively in any realistic scenario; a trickle of aid won't save Kiev.
>>64554892Why is it Trump and Rubio’s job to ensure Russia gets Donbas and Crimea? The (((agreement))) they push is humiliating for America and Ukraine alike.
>>6455484850 rubles have been deposited into your account
>>64554910>((()))So which third-world nation does this obnoxious shit?
>>64554779Only in timelines where they don't collapse.
>>64550499Pretty sure russians have many captured Ukrainians to work on this
>>64554910How exactly is Trump making sure that Russisas gets either? Ukraine can choose to fight on regardless of what America does.
>>64554926https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/triple-parentheses-echoTry to blend in on 4chan better, glavset, unless you want to be sent to the meat grinder
>>64555085>Ukraine can choose to fight on regardless of what America does.Yeah, just like when they had American intel turned off for 3 days and they lost kursk immediately
>>64555117Nice try Ivan
>>64554917Edit thanks for the Gold kind stranger
>>64555252>can one argue that it would have fared better if it had accepted the Russian terms of 2022?Lol fuck no
>>64555117>They lost KurskThey withdrew after they got bored humiliating Russia. Kursk was a victory for Ukraine.
>>64555260Why are you saying "lol no" it absolutely can be argued and most likely is true
>>64555252>Since it's quite clear Ukraine will have to make concessionbut why should they made any concession? Russia invaded to commit genocide with no clear reason, and Ukraine can just say no. Ukraine have more than justification to ask for more than 1990 borders. Nobody except ziggers is saying that Ukraine should surrender anything.
>64555081>"pows" walking in the direction the pidor dragoons are riding>show the camera crew filming itNice propaganda shoot, zister.
>>64555252>ukraine is being supported by EU>russia relies on china(lol) and nk(lmao)russia is not coming out of this alive and you better deal with it right now
>>64555105>/pol/tard memeSo what kind of third-world country do you come from?
>>645552732022 was when the plans to erase any trace of Ukraine were still fully viable. Surrendering then means millions getting quietly executed over the next few years.
>>64555282>nooo you can’t use our own memes to mock Russia I know it hurts seeking Russia collapse but try to keep it down, pidor
>>64555252>million+ dead russians>14:1>pokrovsk still standskuban is coming home. quote me.
>>64555252>Since it's quite clear Ukraine will have to make concessionSource? Ukraine is easily on track to regained everything. Russia is destined to collapse in a year or much less.
>>64555296>Ukraine is easily on track to regained everything. Russia is destined to collapse in a year or much less.Source?
>>64555287>gets called out for being a /pol/tard that uses shit-tier memes>accuses others of being a russian shill out of nowhereHave you ever thought that maybe you're part of a larger ongoining problem with society?
>>64555117Or when a deliberate funding lapse allowed vatniks to invade avdiivka. Americans need to be held accountable for these wavering support driven by politicians afraid of their base who got demoralized by Russian propaganda such as Tim Poole allowed to fester on US internet pages with no oversight .
>>64555338cope and seethe faggot. russia lost and you know it. that's why you shill so relentlessly all the time.
They don't have to. Russia can't fight forever, and when, yes when, it collapses, the terms dictated to Russia, should be so severe that it makes the Treaty of Versailles look like the Marshall Plan.
>>64555338Russia lost irrevocably on Feb 25, 2022 when they failed to meet their stated victory condition of a full invasion/capture of Ukraine in 3 days. Every day since then has been a Ukrainian victory.
>>64555394>Russia won't collapse>Russians are still pushing and gaining groundDelusional zigger
>>64555252We wouldn't get kino footage if they did.
>>64553779me too
>>64555398It's true. They're slowly grinding at Ukraine. It's slower than a snail's pace but it's happening.
>>64555394>Russia won't collapsethey will, just like russian empire, just like ussr. with retards like putin in charge there's simply no other way.
>>64555413>14:1 as per God Emperor Trumprussia will run out of men long before ukraine
>>64555394>Russia won't collapse.It will. Its military industry is already breaking down and the Russian government has saddled its financial system with toxic debt. It's only a matter of time. >The Chinese won't let them. The Chinese weren't even willing to pay a decent price for oil or lend them money in a large enough capacity. >What makes you think Ukraine won't collapse before Russia? Because Ukraine has steady cash flows from Europe, and a product to sell post-war. Russia has fucked itself, and Ukraine only has to keep fighting.
>>64553133Probably thought Belarus was gonna do something
>>64553807different anon hereI was visiting around Ypres and the Somme this year with a buddy and between us we found 8 UXO in 11 days. Found tons of other good stuff as well including a german 2 mark silver coin.Here's an artillery shell from the side of the road with a big fresh dent in the fuze, brass shining bright.
Look at the little zigger coping like mad and showing everyone it’s ass >>64555436KEK
>>64555440Have you now
>>64555436>worse shape.i follow russian news you can't fool us you absolute clown. russia is on the brink of collapse and now even official figures started crying bloody murder, are you going to argue siluanov?
>>64553900On of the things making WW1 stuff really dodgy is the use of picric acid as an explosive and in fuzes. That stuff likes to form salts called picrates which are far more sensitive to shock or stern looks than picric acid (which is also nothing to sneeze at). The french especially loved them some picric acid.By WW2 more stable explosives were in use.
>>64555488Well care to show this? I find it hard to believe when people say shit on the internet
>>64555518
>>64550499>Demining post-war UkraineA good use for Russian pows after Russian surrender
>>64555540>Russia can fight for far longer than ukrannyIt can't, and we know this. They are also far less competent, and if the US withdraws aid, that is the moment bombs start falling in Moscow and St Pidorsburg.
Hi pidor, smoking accidents status?
>>64555522Well yes. If you say something so out of context and don’t provide any I’ll question it
>>64555546what does red/blue mean?
>>64555613Red - dronesBlue - missiles
>>64551812>russia will bring in new african settlers because the eu will disallow sending them backinsane tactics tbqh
>>64554892You made them give up their nukes by promising them that you would protect them from external threats (Budapest Memorandum). Now you have Trump throwing hissy fits because Zelensky didn't suck his dick hard enough
>>64555527>>Demining post-war Ukraine>A good use for Russian pows after Russian surrenderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kao3t0NBMU
>>64555680>by promising them that you would protect them from external threatsThats not what the memorandum says. At this point, I can only conclude you're shilling as its been four years so you should have actually READ IT by now.
>>64555413Russia has no choice but to fully commit to advancing and that rate of advancement is slowing every single dayAt some point, public support will dry up and the social contract will be understood to be broken; once this happens there will be a sudden and immediate reversal in battlefield momentum.
>>64555739>Ukraine will win when Russians realize their social contract has been broken Jesus I wonder what the cope will be next year? Ukraine will win when aliens and Bigfoot wipe out Russia?
>>64555806Russia has more volcanoes than any other country. Ukraine just has to hold out until one erupts.
>>64555806that's a lot of snark for someone who's country collapse twice in the last century
>>64555831Qrd on Ukrainian statehood over the past century?
>>64555816I await the return of the Great Moscow Shit Geyser
>>64555806Anonskyi, how many millions of KIA do you think Russia can tolerate before abandoning this fight?The fight for Pokrovsk has been going on for over a year now, and it has no doubt claimed tens of thousands of Russian lives. There are HUNDREDS of cities just like Pokrovsk, it isn't even a particularly large or significant city. It is mathematically improbable that Russia will commit enough lives to capture all of Ukraine.I also think it's very likely that Russia will not desist until a total collapse; because to do so would be the end of the Putin regime
>>64550499it depends how much disregard for human life you have, post WWII 150k km2 area would be demined in a year using less than 5k menwith modern methods you might as well 100x the effort required which makes it not economically viable
>>64555330>Or when a deliberate funding lapse allowed vatniks to invade avdiivkaSpreading Russian propaganda while pretending to be on Ukraines side doesn't work, we can all see who you are Ivan.
>>64556073>Vatnik tries to copy the false flag accusations that were levied against himNot working Vasilyhttps://www.cnn.com/2024/02/17/politics/biden-zelensky-congress-ukraine-aid“This morning, Ukraine’s military was forced to withdraw from Avdiivka after Ukrainian soldiers had to ration ammunition due to dwindling supplies as a result of congressional inaction, resulting in Russia’s first notable gains in months."
>>64556092>"Tricking russian into attacking into an ambush is the same thing as retreating"Nice try vatnik but we can see the satellite images for ourselves.
>>64556073nta and full tzd but you are deludiung youself if you don;t realise your Trump has done mainly harm to Ukraines cause and relations with Europe and the UK, especially with retarded stunts like that spectale in the oval office and his russian written 'peace plan' and endless need to find some way to boast about war profiteering somehowI've been very pro American and believed strongly that the demotratic nations need to stand strong and together my whole life, the US presidents behavior in the last two years has made me doubt modern Americas worth as an economic or military ally and view it more as just another at best strong man shit pit like India, China or Russia that there can be no more trust or respect for. The manner in which zenensky was deliberately humiliated and berrated by vance did vast and permanent harm to Americas reputation worldwide, as has this 'peace plan' and threats to cast Ukraine adrift and this after just a few years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egN8AmKVTpANothing has done as much harm to transatlantic relations as the current US administration and I'm about as anti-zigger as anyone can be
>>64556149Ukraine is going to achieve full victory no matter what America does.
>>64556149>I've been very pro American and believed strongly that the demotratic nations need to stand strong and together my whole life, the US presidents behavior in the last two years has made me doubt modern Americas worth as an economic or military ally and view it more as just another at best strong man shit pit like India, China or Russia that there can be no more trust or respect for. The manner in which zenensky was deliberately humiliated and berrated by vance did vast and permanent harm to Americas reputation worldwide, as has this 'peace plan' and threats to cast Ukraine adrift and this after just a few years agohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/kKJuq2B3fJ4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJPR_ktYksAn Americans word depends only on what's in your wallet, used be a nation with honor and real principles, now what is it?
>>64556158true, I know but America has disgraced itself hardmodehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4zYCOVtXg
>>64556179America's doing the smart thing and dragging out the war so more ziggers die.
>>6455617922:19 when America died as a country worthy of respect in the free and democrtatic nations like a bell ringing in history
>>64556213Democracy and freedom is the last thing Ukraine needs right now Zigger shill
>>64556149>nta and full tzd>I've been very pro American and believed strongly>I'm about as anti-zigger as anyone can be>Nothing has done as much harm to transatlantic relationsYou are trying too hard with your false flags, btw
>>64556207No, what vance did in the oval office was disgraceful, trumps threads to surrender to Russia is just the nail in the coffin. Demark had men maimed and die in Afghanistan because some arab blew up a skyscraper in new yrk and you then decided it was funny to talk about annexing greenland? Do you have any idea the harm your administration has done to americans allianceshttps://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/10/dutch-intelligence-services-now-share-less-information-with-us/"The Dutch intelligence services are sharing less information with the United States and working more closely with European partners, AIVD director Erik Akerboom and MIVD director Peter Reesink have told the Volkskrant in a joint interview."You elect shit like vance who behaves like a clown on the world stage or thrash like hegseth and you think that people like me still view you as even the same nation that had Reagan as president? I don't and you can take it to the bank that that's the case with the goverments and peoples of democratic nations worldwide. That stupid prick negotiating with Russia without the UK, Ukraine or the EU? Russia put him in power, shilled for him because he was surrounded by Russian assets and there he fucking is.
>>64556243Expecting allies to actually carry their own weight is part of what an alliance is. You wouldn't know that because the only thing a Vatnik understands is masters and vassals.
>>64552814Not even a genius porn star Superscientist Kumite champion like Elon could've predicted it.
>>64556229If you think I'm a false flag you need to wake the fuck up, I've been just about the most pro American persona imaginable in Europe for most of my adult life. Yes that changed in the last two years. For me? Vance in the oval office and threads against Denmark over their dead and maimed for your arab hunt in Afghanistan and now this stabbing Ukraine in the back with a kremlin list of bullet points.You need to sit back and realise the incredible harm that and damage to transatlantic relation is real and quite possibly permanent.If you elect shit like this that behaves like this what the fuck did you think would happen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCfPXKt_VIA
>>64556243Agreed, it is very disgraceful behaviour to leave the UK out of talks with Russia. The US rightly humiliated itself by this, and got mocked by everyone.
>>64552339>They're not going to go off unless the primary explosive and whole detonator mechanism is still functionalI double dare you to touch picrel.
>>64556261At least a "Putin monke"-esque meme campaign was used by bored lads to counter-message Vance and reduce his influence to US domestic audiences. We need to see more good faith influence ops like this to separate MAGA from its supporters inside the US.
>>64556247>>64556247>Expecting allies to actually carry their own weightI don't remember the front line of the cold war being in America. You clearly think it was. >>64556247>You wouldn't know that because the only thing a Vatnik understands is masters and vassals.I expect Ukraine to win and pray for their victory. If you need to call people like me ziggers because you elect cunts that have disgraced your nation and destoyed it's alliances by putting kremlin assets in the white house that's your fucking problem not mine.
>>64556266>Agreed, it is very disgraceful behaviour to leave the UK and EU and Ukraine out of talks with Russia. The US rightly humiliated itself by this, and got mocked by everyone.ftfy
>>64556272They can elect who the fuck they like and that's none of my business and it's none of their buiness who I vote for either, that's their business but so are the consequences when those elected representatives destroy the image and reputation of America publicly by being retarded. It's amazing to think that if the US goes to war with e,g China, that the entire white house and everything that goes on it it will be on Xis desk via moscow in realtime, yet here we are.
>>64556277>I expect Ukraine to win and pray for their victory.They should do more than pray for victory cunt, they should fight for it.
>>64556277>I don't remember the front line of the cold war being in AmericaSo then you're arguing for America not giving much effort in Ukraine?
>>64556363I'll tell you what cunt, the USA will be fighting truely on its own in every war from here on in. Thanks to dimwits like you.>>64556383If it's in Americas interest to prop up a Russian dicator that interfers in its election, targets it with nukes and is in an alliance with North Korea which is still officially at war with America then by all means, stop giving intel to Ukraine and acting as a proxy for the kremlin in demanding UKranian surrender
>>64556413>the USA will be fighting truely on its own in every war from here on inWe already were, asshole.
>>64556413>If it's in Americas interest to prop up a Russian dicatorRussia is going to lose this war no matter what, but if the war lasts longer, Russia will be weaker from more Russians dying. It's thus in our interests to make sure that Russia stays in the war as long as possible.
>>64556431>We already were, assholeWhen?
>>64556443This war for a start. Europe was giving barely anything while America had to shoulder most of the burden of aiding Ukraine.
>>64556436What’s common between Russians and NATO? THD aspirations
>>64556270m8 do you think they wage war with fucking dynamite sticks in Ukraine? Like it's a fucking cartoon?Actually, do you get all your explosive knowledge from cartoons? Dynamite is not TNT, you dumb shit.Modern explosives don't use nitroglycerin for a reason.
>>64556572>drone drops a bomb>it's a giant black sphere with a wick>makes a whistle sound as it falls>russian soldier looks up>instead of running he lets out a primal scream while his eyes pop out of and shatter his goggles and then gets crushed under the bomb >wicks burns out but the bomb doesnt go off>soldier sticks his head out from under the bomb and lets out a sigh of relief>long mechanial arm stretches from the drone all the way down and strikes a match on the side of the bomb and relights the wick
