What can /k/ tell me about it? How does it compare to the actual firearms that the Plymouth colonists would have been using in 1620?
>>64565860I would wager that the firearms used by the Plymouth colonists wouldn't be that different than those form the Jamestown colony.In that case initially matchlocks which quickly got augmented with snaphaunces (or other early flintlock types) and wheellocks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sfsb0AecH4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnG_EJMuzi8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YRg2fhy19Q>The stereotypical pilgrim gunIsn't a matchlock but some generic flintlock, which is accurate. The only thing that is inaccurate is the exxagerated flared muzzle. Such guns were firstly relatively uncommon and secondly were mainly fielded on ships. And the flared muzzle doesn't provide a "scatter effect" - it just makes reloading easier.
>>64565860>Isn't a matchlock but some generic flintlock, which is accurate. The only thing that is inaccurate is the exxagerated flared muzzleThis.Guns with flared muzzles were a thing, but they were not that long. Naval blunderbusses had shorter barrels than that.
bumpin' for interest
>>64566101>mainly fielded on shipsTake that back.
>>64566528Don't forget musketoons had flared muzzles too.
>>64570847Isn't musketoon just a generic term for carbine?
>>64566101>And the flared muzzle doesn't provide a "scatter effect" - it just makes reloading easier.The shape of your muzzle absolutely does effect patterning.
>>64566101I thought it allowed you to basically use anything as ammunition.
>>64566101Thanks
>>64565860This North Italian wheellock rifle was found stashed in the wall of the home that once belonged to the Alden Family. John Alden was a cooper, a barrel maker, and was 20 when he joined the Mayflower. He was even a signatory of the Mayflower Compact. The fact that a simple cooper could afford something so nice shows just how robust and prosperous the English economy was in 1620.His rifle is noteworth as possiby being the first rifle to see the New World. However, the noteworthiness doesn't end there. The markings on this North Italian rifle suggest a provenance to a certain "Beretta" family.
>>64572202Yes and no. Early on it was a type of carbine with a slightly flared muzzel to ease loading on horseback. Later on it became interchangeable with carbine.
>>64566101Don't forget lots of English Locks.
>>64578154>so niceThat's an extremely utilitarian gun. There's no inlay, no engraving, the wood is nothing special. In fact it's very plain as far as wheellocks go. That was not a rich man's gun.
>>64578184Now reread the fact that it's a wheellock AND rifled. That's a lot of extra expense for someone uprooting his entire life to go to an entirely new continent. A snaphaunce smoothebore would've been a much cheaper buy.
>>64565860>>64566101>>64566528>>64573809They were coach guns for self defense, they used solid shot. The flared muzzle on a blunderbuss was to make reloading it easy from horseback or on a carriage. They had nothing to do with hunting.
>>64578203>Now reread the fact that it's a wheellock AND rifledYeah, and? Those aren't as rare or expensive as you seem to think they were. These people clearly weren't poor which we know as they were able to afford the journey in the first place.
>>64578233Now have a... let's say French, Spanish, or Russian peasant purchase a wheellock rifle and relocate across the ocean.
>>64576582apparently not
>>64566528The point of the barrel was to easily insert bullets
>>64578240Except a cooper was already a skilled tradesman, and the fact he had enough money at all implies either a very seasoned journeyman or a master.>compare to a peasant in France or SpainCompare to the same peasant in England. Landless farmhands and tenants weren't making the initial journey. Compare that same tradesman to a Dutch, or Spanish, or French counterpart and you'd probably find someone of similar means.
>>64580371yeah, basically. The Pilgrims were nearly all solidly middle class people who had already relocated from England to the Netherlands for something like ten years before taking the trip across the ocean. These were people who could afford to move countries in the 16th century, not once, but twice, and their greatest challenge in their first years in America mostly came from the fact that they didn't have nearly enough farmers and peasants in their number, because as it turns out, farming is hard.
>>64578154>first rifle to see the New WorldI thought the Spanish had that claim?
>>64578154>barrel makerany info on the metalsmithing for these guns / of this era?
>>64581496a cooper makes barrels like you would put wine in, not gun barrels.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTy3uQFsirk
>>64581042I don't think that many rifles were going over to New Spain until much later.
yeah
>>64565860I heard they had longbows mainly but I don't know much about it.
>>64583498true
>>64578154I fucking love the receivers on wheelocks, they'e just so mechanically fascinating
>>64578154Does it still work?
>>64578165i think itd be funny to make a stock like that but for something modern like a model 700
>>64581547Yes remember and saw that years ago.
>>64565860https://www.gutenberg.org/files/65335/65335-h/65335-h.htmIs this a good source?
>>64566101Its a blunderbuss and it was the AR-15 of the early colonists. Everyone in this thread is wrong.
>>64591917best thread on /k/ rn
>>64578154>This North Italian wheellock rifle was found stashed in the wall of the home that once belonged to the Alden Family.Literally the original unregistered AR
>>64578154cool
>>64566101nice
>>64578154>The markings on this North Italian rifle suggest a provenance to a certain "Beretta" family.
>>64591917>the AR-15 of the early colonists.Wouldn't it be more like a shotgun?
>>64565860Matchlocks , some snaphances and doglocks with a smaller number of wheellocks Snaphances and doglocks were more or less flintlocks with some minor differences
>>64603120no
>>64578154>>64578165neat
>>64566528>>64570847>>64573809>flared muzzleSo what projectile(s) are we talking about>>64604040thanks
what ammo / projectiles in these?
>>64607570>>64610495Lead balls.
>>64610601One big ball?
>>64610739Have you never seen a musket ball?
>>64610837is there 1 single ballor *more than 1* ball <---similar to a modern shotgunin the shot (projectile) used for pilgrim guns
>>64610903I'll let you in on a secret: "pilgrem guns" were just normal muskets and as such could use singular balls, buck & ball and shot pellets.
>>64593094Why is this image in every thread now?
>>64614091>now
>>64578165nice
>>64614091>NowPregnant Anne Frank Gang obviously.
>>64619784based
>>64568501kek
