Todd recently made a great comparison of the trigger system of ancient Chinese crossbows compared with European-style crossbows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_PyntQkxmI&t=416s
>>64602316Why did you speed it up
>>64602329Because otherwise this segment of the video wouldn't fit the 2:00 video limit of 4chan
>>64602316The fact that It can use a regular bow as their limbs means that they can use the same ammunition as their archers
Implessive
>>64602384No, that's not the implessive bit.The implessive bit was getting the crossbow repeating. While your ancestors was poking in the mud with sticks.
>>64602401>The implessive bit was getting the crossbow repeating.You mean an utterly useless toy that's less powerful than a blowgun?>While your ancestors was poking in the mud with sticksThere's never been a period in history when china wasn't a fake mud-eating cesspit nation that was only capable of spreading legs before foreign invaders.
>>64602474>that's less powerful than a blowgun?That one might be. I'm confident I can build one with more power. >that was only capable of spreading legs before foreign invaders.Yeah that's right. They built a fighting style suitable for every peasant armed with farming tools because their first move is open legs...The levels of delusion you're prepared to immerse yourself in, in order to make yourself feel that little bit better about your massive failures in every facet of existence are truly impressive.
>>64602316Both of the designs have a rotating shelf to hold the string and a trigger with a sear surface.The Chinese design just has an extra part for more leverage.The European one is vastly simpler and could easily be adapted for cheap bronze casting if desired. For example by extending the sear surface of the shelf further from the pivot for more leverage and lower sear surface forces. This guys is retarded and doesn't know what he's talking about.t. Engineer
>>64602493>I'm confident I can build one with more power.I'm confident that you can't even power an existing replica of that pea shooter with your little bug limbs.>They built a fighting style suitable for every peasant armed with farming toolsThey failed at fighting back against every invader using that style and have a cuck tradition of offering their wives to travellers just passing by, not even seeking to conquer them. A literal eunuch nation.>The levels of delusion you're prepared to immerse yourself inFunny of chinksects to talk about delusion.>your massive failures in every facet of existenceI'm not a chink subhuman though.
>>64602495That, and medievil crossbows prolly wouldn't have steel. Took a while for that to come out, and then it was confined to sheffield's armoury and reserved for the king's armour for quite some time...
>>64602493Are you talking about kung fu? The martial art known for being showy and not at all practical?
>>64602495>and could easily be adapted for cheap bronze casting if desiredthat's kind of pointless to do because you can make it out of wood and horn instead, which are infinitely cheaper and more accessible and improve the efficiency of the trigger.the only reason they started using metal trigger nuts alongside horn ones is because they last longer in storage, in fact that's why we have fully functional surviving examples of the mechanism today centuries later.
>>64602515it's probably this, another authentic chinese martial art involving dressing up as animals and trying to scream and cry your enemy into retreating
>>64602507>your little bug limbs.Explaining the lack of difficulty I have cranking back my 320lb draw mofo sat on the wall.>They failed at fighting back against every invaderExplaining how right up until they was invaded with firearms, when the emporor decried there was to be no foriegners internally. None was there.>Funny of chinksects to talk about delusion.Being able to analyse something for what it is and not have to instantly resort to unrelated personal attacks doesn't make me automagically a 'chinksect'. It just means you're a fucking retard that can't observe reality because it hurt their thinkbox too much and has to make shit up as they go along in order to make it fit into their preconvieved narative that directly conflicts reality.>I'm not a chink subhuman though.Neither am I. Neither of those facts detract from the fact that you are retarded spastic incapable of independant thought, limited to the memes you've absorbed via docile media because your lack of thought prevents you from forming an informed opinion.
>>64602495Did you even watch the video?
>>64602515>The martial art known for being showy and not at all practical?I was. And yes, The stylised forms are more about making the other guy look good, but that doesn't detract from it's usability. It seemed to be that effective that japan started up on their own to be able to compete.
>>64602529But japanese martial arts are not at all like kung fu. And what does it have to do with anything, anyway? Farmers defending themselves with whatever is at had is a universal trait
>>64602547>And what does it have to do with anything, anyway?Yeah. I suppose china being constantly invaded by the japanese had nothing to do with why they came up with martial arts.When this caused failure, I'm sure it had nothing to do with .jp developing their own to compensate, too. You're right. It's completely irrelevant.
>>64602521>Explaining the lack of difficulty I have cranking back my 320lb draw mofo sat on the wall.Lmao, the only thing you crank is your half inch micro peen that would cause any woman burst into uncontrollable laughter.>Explaining how right up until they was invaded with firearms, when the emporor decried there was to be no foriegners internally. None was there.Lol. After Khitanns, Manchu, Mongols and Xiognu there have not been genetic chinese, just rapebaby mutts.>Being able to analyse something for what it is and not have to instantly resort to unrelated personal attacksGood thing you're incapable of that, or any rational throught for that matter, chinksect.
>>64602549How would you even make a connection between chink theatrics and Japanese martial arts when they've existed independently long before Japanese raped chink losers so hard their state nearly collapsed.
>>64602549>when this caused failureThat is an INCREDIBLY romantic (read: nice to imagine but not real) take on what happened, which is typical of chinese historic revisionism tbf
>>64602521>320lbsSurely a windlass model? I'm not all too familiar with chinese crossbow designs, they are numerous. The point in the video about using the same bows is obviously not going to include anything that powerful, of course. It's good for cheap and easy to use mass manufactured "good enough" weapons, but you lose the advantage of very heavy limbs able to launch very heavy bolts, an important characteristic to all the war crossbows from europe
>>64602564>Lmao, the only thing you crank is your half inch micro peen that would cause any woman burst into uncontrollable laughter.Your personal experiences of testicular deficits are not a wise thing to use for determining other people's existence. What happens to you because of your small penis doens't mean everyone else has a small penis and is equally embarressed of it.>Lol. After Khitanns, Manchu, Mongols and Xiognu there have not been genetic chinese, just rapebaby mutts.I tried to say otherwise, where? This is another example of you resorting to personality attacks because you lack the mental ability to formulate a tangible argument. Nothing in there addresses the point you respond to.>Good thing you're incapable of that, or any rational throught for that matter, chinksect.Says the spastic demonstrating a lack of rational thought, whilst again calling me a 'chinksect' because that's the only way this can possibly make sense in your head. I need to be yellow. The fact that I'm not just goes to highlight precisely how deluded you are, and your world veiw is, especially when you choose to double down on this narrative having been given more than enough data to rightfully question it's accuracy.
>>64602495Todd definitely knows what he's talking about. He maybe didn't precidely convey his meaning. The chinese trigger system is great because it's cheap as fuck to make, period. He's not saying it's the best design ever, just that it's a good design meant for mass manufacture by unskilled labourers, which sets it apart from the european mechanism which is more refined but more difficult to make
>>64602579>Your personal experiences of testicular deficits are not a wise thing to use for determining other people's existence.Spoken like a true chinkmutt.>I tried to say otherwise, where?So the chinks got raped, conquered and bodied by everyone and their mom but their farmer tool martial arts are totally legit and aren't just a facade for them whoring themselves to foreign invaders at every opportunity now?>personality attackschinky crying about being outed as a chinky in broken English is hilarious.>Says the spastic demonstrating a lack of rational thought, whilst again calling me a 'chinksect' because that's the only way this can possibly make sense in your head. I need to be yellow.The only rational conclusion for your shilling is that you're a bulge-eyed limp wristed bug hapa coping about your disgusting genetics and pathetic ancestry.>having been given more than enough data to rightfully question it's accuracy.lmao
>>64602586>The chinese trigger system is great because it's cheap as fuck to make, period.That's not true at all and is the complete opposite of reality.
>>64602566>chink theatrics and Japanese martial arts when they've existed independentlyThey existed independantly. That doesn't mean they don't have any shared history.>>64602568>That is an INCREDIBLY romanticperfect for a mills n boon.But seriously, got any evidence there? I'm more than happy to gain education.Doesn't really matter much from the 'which came first' angle, they clearly competitors for the same marketspace, developed as response to each other... which was the key point.>>64602577>Surely a windlass model? I'm not all too familiar with chinese crossbow designs,It's not a chinese crossbow. Just a common piece of shit y'can buy off fleabay or whatever.
>>64602590>They existed independantly. That doesn't mean they don't have any shared history.So point to any connection between then then. Why won't you, chinky?
>>64602589Wdym? Todd demonstrated this pretty well in the video, and he actually makes these things (all kinds of designs).
>>64602588>Spoken like a true chinkmutt.regurgitated like a docile media educated spastic.And you legitimately wonder how your country ended up in the state it's in, and why it's accelerating...>but their farmer tool martial arts are totally legitMost of it was done with the wall. >chinky crying about being outed as a chinky in broken English is hilarious.The hilarous part is how wrong you really are. I've offered you the opportunity to correct this deficit but instead of taking it, you've doubled down harder. Gee. I wonder how your country ended up with educational standards so low they're reaching out to india for upgrades?>The only rational conclusion for your shilling is that you're a bulge-eyed limp wristed bug hapa coping about your disgusting genetics and pathetic ancestry.No, that's the only way you can re-shape reality to make it fit into your preconcieved narrative. But by the time you actually realise this to be true, it will be far too late for you to do anything productive about the damage you've allowed this to cause. But don't worry. I've got popcorn.
>>64602598A multi part cast bronze trigger is vastly more expensive than any wooden bow or crossbow could ever hope to be. Todd is a retard that doesn't know what he's talking about and makes up shit to shill his overpriced knives.
>>64602596The 'shared history' being the well documented interaction between the two cultures, mostly that of invasion.
>>64602604>regurgitated like a docile media educated spastic.what media do you keep referring to when crying about your mutted rapebaby ancestry being exposed, exactly?>The hilarous part is how wrong you really are. I've offered you the opportunity to correct this deficit but instead of taking it, you've doubled down harder.The only thing you've offered me is to laugh at you even harder with your pathetic ESL flailing. >I wonder how your country ended up with educational standards so low they're reaching out to india for upgrades?The only way china outpaces india is by even more incessant forgery and cheating.>No, that's the only way you can re-shape reality to make it fit into your preconcieved narrative.Have you tried to look in the mirror? Without bursting into tears and smashing it in range, i mean.
>>64602352IIRC the Qin era crossbows had such a powerful draw you couldn't use them as hand drawn bows. They had to be loaded by feet. You could've trained a special contingent of elite archers but it was no part of their tactics
>>64602590>clearly developed as competition to one anotherClearly how? They existed independent of one another. Karate originated on okinawa around the 1300's and has chinese influences, but okinawa wasn't unofficially annexed by japan until 1609. Are you aaying the samurai didn't need martial arts until 1609? They weren't even in direct conflict or influence at the time and hadn't been for over 100 years
>>64602608So given that Japanese martial arts have existed long prior to them invading chinkland we can conclude that your idiotic idea about them is totally false and is a product of consuming too much gutter oil. Glad you've finally conceded that.
>>64602608But there were no invasions within two lifetimes of the first real integration of a martial art that was influenced by chinese arts. That's like saying the f35 was developed in response to japan's debut of the zero
>>64602615>IIRC the Qin era crossbows had such a powerful draw you couldn't use them as hand drawn bows.There's actually zero evidence for this besides some suspicious chinese texts (((uncovered))) in the 1970s by the CCP.
>>64602607Not true at scale. China had massive foundry and casting complexes for all kinds of shit. Labor and resources were all but a given, it was skilled labor they had in short supply
>>64602614>what media do you keep referring to when crying about your mutted rapebaby ancestry being exposed, exactly?Docile media, which precise platform I wouldn't have a clue, not having spent any time on any of them I'm unable to deduce precisely where you've obtained the memes you're using to tell yourself reality is wrong.>The only thing you've offered me is to laugh at you even harder with your pathetic ESL flailing. If you'd had an education, you'd actually be able to spot where I'm from. I've dropped a few clues. Tho as you're a complete spastic, I'll hint further at if you drop the "SL" from "ESL" you might be getting scaldingly close. About now, it will be really clever if you thought long and hard about what that "E" stands for. And precisely why you use it.>The only way china outpaces india is by even more incessant forgery and cheating.China is outpacing india in many things. But more critically, they're outpacing you, which is why you're throwing this little tantrum in the first place. I don't give a shit, because my self-identity isn't tied to a false narrative.>Have you tried to look in the mirror? Without bursting into tears and smashing it in range, i mean.Frequently, how the fuck do you think I brush my hair? Again with the attempts to reshape reality because you find it uncomfortably contradicts your deluded conception of the real world. You do realise what this says about *you*?
>>64602615There's nothing weird about a foot drawn ceossbow, unless I'm misunderstanding you. Anything usable for war that wasn't just a normal bow strapped to a stock would have to be drawn by some kind of lever, be it a goat's foot or windlass or similar device. A lot of european hunting crossbows had stirrups for loading but were hand drawn
>>64602624>Docile media, which precise platform I wouldn't have a clueSo you were talking out of your ass? Good job admitting it.>If you'd had an education, you'd actually be able to spot where I'm from.Some wastewater hole or prison in chinkland? We know, no need to make me repeat it.>China is outpacing india in many things.Yeah, groundwater pollution is a big one.>But more critically, they're outpacing youLol.>I don't give a shit, because my self-identity isn't tied to a false narrative.Lmao, that's why you keep shilling here again and again. Because you don't care.>Again with the attempts to reshape reality because you find it uncomfortably contradicts your deluded conception of the real world.Again, you keep projecting while being a malding chinksect.
>>64602618>we can conclude that your idiotic idea about them is totally false>>64602616>Are you aaying the samurai didn't need martial arts until 1609?>>64602619>That's like saying the f35 was developed in response to japan's debut of the zeroNot particular. I can't confess to being intimate with asiatic history, but I was thinkin' they both sorta crawled into existence about the middle ages ish, I was to understand conflict in that reigon to be frequent and historic tho will happily absorb any evidence you can provision that counters.
>>64602623No scale will compensate for the raw materials that are involved in this. It's not industrial era, there's no feasible way to make bronze castings cheaper than wood.
>>64602621Ffs China snowflakes can't stop seething at the slightest mention of China. It's not even a compliment, you can make bows with as large a draw as you want easily. There are many crossbows from that period discovered which are used to make an estimate.
>>64602636>uhh it totally happened sometime, i won't point when and how, therefore they're totally relatedThe chink slithers away while hiding behind more and more wordy sentences saying nothing.
>>64602641>It's not even a compliment, you can make bows with as large a draw as you want easilyWhy can't anyone make a replica that's more than a quarter of the claimed poundage then? I'm all ears, surely there's an explanation to this despite how easily it can be done.>here are many crossbows from that period discovered which are used to make an estimate.Lmao, there's not a single one.
>>64602641>Ffs China snowflakes can't stop seething at the slightest mention of forgeries China.Ftfy. Literally every implessive feat in chinese history has been a fabrication.
>>64602635>So you were talking out of your ass? Good job admitting it.No, you provision plenty of evidence to support my ascertation that your primary source of data is docile media. >Some wastewater hole or prison in chinkland? We know, no need to make me repeat it.Evidence like that.>Yeah, groundwater pollution is a big one.Which is largely a consequence of 'the west' exporting it's dirtier manufacturing process over there in order to have the shiny things but leave the shit on someone else's doorstep.When you run over the road and take a steaming shit on someone's doorstep, it's not considered good form to stand there pointing, shouting: He's got shit on his doorstep.You lend them your pressure washer, at a bare minimum.>Lmao, that's why you keep shilling here again and again. Because you don't care.If it's shilling, I should be getting paid for this? I should be getting paid, because attempting to make you see sense is a gargantuan task.>Again, you keep projecting while being a malding chinksect.The only projection is on your part. Which you require to maintain, because otherwise it would mean all the core tennants that resolve to your identity are unrecoverably flawed. But don't worry, every day reality will be trying that little bit harder to make sure you cannot ignore it.
>>64602630>>64602615The thing that set the Qin and later Han dynasty crossbows apart from other types of infantry crossbows is their long powerstroke. You can have huge pondage steel bows that reach 1000lbs but due to their short powerstrokes their power isn't that much more than a 100lbs recurve bow or longbow with much longer powerstrokes. In Todd's video he was talking about making that chinese siege crossbow, which have a huge power stroke, (1,5 to 2m long) all while using 3 regular sized bows.
>>64602649>No, you provision plenty of evidence to support my ascertationWhich is to say you're talking out of your ass about things you made up. Wtf even is docile media.>Which is largely a consequence of 'the west' exporting it's dirtier manufacturing process over there in order to have the shiny things but leave the shit on someone else's doorstep.If chinks want to trade their lives so west can have plastic boxes 10 cents cheaper i'm all for it. It's the best use chinks ever had in their existence.>When you run over the road and take a steaming shit on someone's doorstepYou did it to yourself, chinky. >If it's shilling, I should be getting paid for this?You should be getting paid in English lessons, rather than a reduced prison sentence, yes.>The only projection is on your part.Lol.>But don't worry, every day reality will be trying that little bit harder to make sure you cannot ignore it.Says the chinksect squirming and choking on smog.
>>64602656Todd is incometent and can't make a bow worth jack shit. Meanwhile there are plenty of long power stroke European crossbows, in literary evidence and even in surviving examples.
I was wondering why the other chink shill thread was sliding off. Turns out the chinksect was seething in here
>>64602666Crossbow shilling has really become a CCP staple, hasn't it?
>>64602660>Wtf even is docile media.You see, if your country had educational standard, you'd be able to understand English.>It's the best use chinks ever had in their existence.Remember this. Because they're starting to overtake you. All the little tantrums with tarrifs are hurting you more, and pushing them faster and more independant.What happens next you might deserve.>You should be getting paid in English lessons, rather than a reduced prison sentence, yes.By my birthright, what I say is English. I don't need 'lessons'. You however, desperately do.>The only projection is on your part.Lol.>Says the chinksect squirming and choking on smog.....
>>64602663Examples of european crossbows with long powerstrokes?
>>64602678Siege crossbow?
>>64602678Basically every pre-13th century artwork, for one.
>>64602677>You see, if your country had educational standard, you'd be able to understand English.I can perfectly understand that you have nothing to say so you keep evading and twisting instead.>Remember this. Because they're starting to overtake you. All the little tantrums with tarrifs are hurting you more, and pushing them faster and more independant.>What happens next you might deserve.Any day now.>By my birthright, what I say is English. I don't need 'lessons'.Lmao. A stray dog has more birthright than you.
We could have had a comfy thread discussing todd's claims, but it was raided by an unstoppable spaz and an immovable autist right away
>>64602638They didn't make the mechanisms out of wood
>>64602710They literally did. The rolling nut was usually made from horn but the rest was wooden.
>>64602694>I can perfectly understand that you have nothing to say so you keep evading and twisting instead.He says. Continually deflecting to 'chinksect' rather than actually address the /topic. Because thinking hurts.>Any day now.Seriously. There's only a few things you've got on top of them, they've caught up in all the other areas. The rest is just time. What should really concern you is the timeframe. But your middle management bean counters really helped by exporting not just the lower end of the manufacturing chain. You helped them springboard real good.>LmaoKeep laughing, you mug.I've got popcorn.
>>64602732>rather than actually address the /topicWhat topic? You've already conceded that you know nothing about Japanese martial arts and can't show any connection between them and chinese monkeying, nor could you offer a single case for the latter's effectiveness, just kept crying about me being mean and something about media. At this point you're here only to be mocked and shit on, something chinese greatly enjoy as their cultural foundation. If you had one you'd be offering me your woman right now.>Seriously. There's only a few things you've got on top of them, they've caught up in all the other areas. The rest is just time. What should really concern you is the timeframe. But your middle management bean counters really helped by exporting not just the lower end of the manufacturing chain. You helped them springboard real good.Two more weeks and china will become relevant while thirdies worldwide rejoice.>Keep laughing, you mug.I will, a literal shitskin shilling for china claiming to be english is lecturing me on English education. What comedy.
>>64602748>What topic?Crossbows?>You've already conceded that you know nothing about Japanese martial artsPlease demonstrate where I claimed to be an expert.>just kept crying about me being mean and something about media. Maybe that's got something to do with the instant incorrect diagnosis that reeks of xenophobic sentiment spread commonly through docile media, combined with the determination to ascert this delusion over reality. Another common indicator for docile media consumption.>I will, a literal shitskin shilling for china claiming to be english is lecturing me on English education. What comedy.It is comedic. Mostly for how wrong everything is.But again. It's you that suffers from this, and you can look out you window if you require evidence.I've got popcorn.
>>64602759>Crossbows?What about them? Did you have anything to say on the topic?>Please demonstrate where I claimed to be an expert.I'm pleased to see that you've chosen to run away and hide behind a strawman again.>Maybe that's got something to do with the instant incorrect diagnosis that reeks of xenophobic sentiment spread commonly through docile media,Here comes more nonsensical crying. The docile media is living in your walls, if you even have walls to your name.>It is comedic. Mostly for how wrong everything is.So wrong you keep proving it right again and again.>It's you that suffers from this, and you can look out you window if you require evidence.Thankfully i can't see any illiterate shitskins like you in my windows, or things would've gone bad for real.
