Why are turks like this??
You stole my woman, Reeves.
>>64605189was your woman a man?
>>64605195It was Hop.
>>64605182Can’t have semi auto rifles so they make semi auto shot guns that look like semi auto rifles
>>64605182Why do they make shitty shotguns? There are less regulations for shotguns than there are for rifles and handguns, so it's easier for a lot of companies there to make and sell the crap they currently do than to make anything else. The people there making shotguns don't want to compete with Canik or Tisas.
>>64605182More importantly, why is James always glazing them? I don’t think it’s the money. I think those swarthy, hairy, oily bath house roaches have figured out some kind of forbidden prostate stimulation maneuver that’s made jimmyboy here into their glassy-eyed, compliant reviewpig all for the chance to make his male butthole feel like a cumming pussy just one more sweet sweet time. I just want ethics in firearms journalism.
>>64605182Because people buy them. Ask any gun store, those cheap semiautomatic Turk shotguns are one of the best selling items.
>>64605182>>64605568>>64605534it's also because they are easy to import even if they're retarded where as I think you can generally only import manual action rifles and rimfire and I guess those semi auto browning rifles>>64605609because mossberg is the only domestic shotgun maker. Henry only makes single shot shotguns. Ruger doesn't make shotguns. whoever owns the remingshit ip isn't making 870s. ithica is bankrupt. keltc and smith and wesson only make meme shit and half of savage's shotguns are made in china or turkey the other big thing is people aren't buying shotguns cause no one hunts and the people who do buy them want dirt cheap like how shotguns were historically dirt cheap
>>64605534>>64605568This. Rifle/pistol licenses are hard to get in Turkey, but shotgun licenses are basically shall issue. Drives a massive domestic market for tacticool shotguns.
>>64605182They'll shove a $14 shotgun in any body kit you want
>>64605603>More importantly, why is James always glazing them?Is he? He always showed them failing his burndown tests in the past.
>>64605182You may not like it, but this is what peak Turkformance looks like.
>>64605182what's the problem
>>64605182Turk AR-15 shotgunTurk G3 shotgunTurk FN SCAR shotgunNow Turk AUG shotgunWhat's next? Turk FAL or Turk G36?
>>64607303>turkshit>mag-fed shotgun>looks like something not-a-shotgun
>>64605657"Non-sporting" rifles can't be imported. "Non-sporting" to be open to whatever the ATF says it is. Pistols and shotguns don't need to meet the "sporting" requirement. As for why, retards keep buying them and it's cheap as shit to make a barely functional semi-auto 12 ga in a crappy body kit.
>>64608469If they made an XM-8 shotgun, I might just forgive the roaches for all their transgressions.
>>64605182Getting a license to own or manufacture rifles/pistols there is very hard but shotguns are extremely easy. A bunch of countries around the balkans/Eastern Europe are like this too where smoothbore firearms are much less regulated.This creates a vast domestic market for cheap shotguns and because Turks are hungry for foreign currency they expanded to international sales. They'll make a shotgun version of everything, although in that case that's just a traditional El cheapo bullpup shotgun in a body shell that looks more like an AUG, rather than an AUG made into a shotgun. The bolt and gas systems are totally different.>>64608469It's all aesthetic. Mechanically they all use the same flapper locking bolt with a gas piston wrapped around the barrel or magazine tube. They usually interchange parts and source them from the same subcontractors as well.
>>64608488There's a whole points system for handguns geared for banning small size, low caliber pocket guns from import since 1968.Shotguns can be re-catagorized as DDs by the ATF because they have bores over .50". They are exempt so long as they are considered suitable for sporting purposes which the ATF can decide to change on a whim. They did it before for the Cobra Street Sweeper and USAS-12, they threatened it with the mag fed Turk shotguns too but chickened out. That can always change.
>>64608488there's some point system for handguns and there's been a point system for handguns since the 1960s when that jew shot rfk. it's why most PPKs in the US are actually PPKSs.there's technically some retarded point system or something for shotguns but it's basically just a mag limit and no revolving cylinder and has to comply with the 1994 awb. that's why some of those meme shotguns from italy and turky james reeves keeps shilling have lower mag capacities than you would think or they need to have their mag tube replaced in the US after they get here.I remember james bitching about the capacity on some benelli or beretta or something since he had to buy an aftermarket mag tube
>>64608499>>64605568>>64605696>Getting a license to own or manufacture rifles/pistols there is very hard but shotguns are extremely easy. A bunch of countries around the balkans/Eastern Europe are like this too where smoothbore firearms are much less regulated.the whole smooth bores thing being easier to get is nearly universally common among all third world countries like europe and bongistan because they don't want the peasants to be able to do insurrection. it's why there are those weird shotguns in those former bong colonies like the greener and indians have smle .410s (I know the bongs do as well and it's basically for the same reason, they don't want the peasants to be able to shoot back)
>>64608524> They did it before for the Cobra Street Sweeper and USAS-12, they threatened it with the mag fed Turk shotguns too but chickened out. That can always change.But they won’t because they’ve got there asses handed in court and they passed a law that just gutted the nfa so we can easily just sue or legislate away all those restrictions and then abolish them
>>64608555> something for shotguns but it's basically just a mag limit and no revolving cylinder and has to comply with the 1994 awbThat’s why I hope one those Supreme Court assault weapons case gets rid of this
>>64609438That whole ban was an executive order by Bush. It could get overturned by anyone, but hasn't because of the US gun lobby.
>>64608566>the whole smooth bores thing being easier to get is nearly universally commonFor customers, yes; but I was talking in terms of companies getting the licenses needed to manufacture the products. In Turkey, it's much easier to make a company that manufactures shotguns than a company that manufactures other types of guns. In other countries the requirements to manufacture any kind of gun are similar, but the companies will stick to whatever their market wants.
>>64609574> Fortunately the lunatics running the asylum will only be temporary, even /k/ommandos should recognize that basic gun control is necessary and that a free for all is retardedGo back to plebbit
>>64605603I don't think I've ever heard him call one good but tbf I'm not super tuned in
>>64609458> It could get overturned by anyone, but hasn't because of the US gun lobby.Never say never you just need to get the fpc ,goa second amendment foundation’s attention and it will be all over
>>64609574dogshit bait, please neck yourself via live stream
>>64608469I want an OICW shaped one.
>>64609941410 for the rifle part and 12g for the nade part
We must go back
>>64608566That is pretty much the origin. If you are confused why countries that are nominally politically stable do the same thing it's because they copy laws from each other without understanding the context of why they were passed in the first place. For instance countries with severe corruption problems tend to ban civilians owning military calibers because that way if somebody acquires a "missing" police/military gun they won't be able to get ammunition for it.Meanwhile some other country where this has literally never happened will copy that law because MILITARY BULLETS ARE SCARY BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE OK!!??It's legal cargo cultisim made manifest.
>>64609941>>64610007KS23 barrel for the launcher and smoothbore .22lr for the gun.
>>64605182Unironic cargo cultThe AUG kit adds +10 tacticool bonus to DPS
>>64609574fuck off lefty troon
>>64610217the domestic bong shit was also because they didn't want vets doing a russia after WWI when russia did it. and as much as people try to claim>muh organized crime I'm sure the commie revolution and the bonus army occupying DC in 1932 was the actual cause of the NFA and not some dude accidently shooting a baby
>>64605182They can't really make anything other than shotguns unless they have tooling for it that they inherited from someone else (cough... roller guns... cough), so they're trying to milk the shotgun shtick for all it's worth.
>>64605182IDK but I kinda want to encourage it. Silly but if their quality goes up a little bit they'd be fun stupid ass cheap guns.
>>64608566>indians have smle .410sThose are actually straightwall .303 and the caliber is called .410 Indian Musket, mostly loaded with 1 or more .410 cal round balls. .410 shells won't fit unless you fireform and load your own with .303s or bore out your chamber to accept .410 shotshells. They're also mostly made out of 1910s era rifles with pretty wood soaked in what seems like motor oil and in need of lots of love.t. own one
>>64610264>I'm sure the commie revolution and the bonus army occupying DC in 1932 was the actual cause of the NFA and not some dude accidently shooting a babywhat?
>>64610578kinda want one to shoot clays with a bayonet attached for laffos
>>64610708I'm going to get mine bored out for .410 eventually. Kinda want to get it threaded for chokes too, if just for no other reason than that it opens the possibility of silencing it, though I might need a spare nosecap if the bayonet post on the end sticks out too far. It's in very bad need of degreasing the wood and I still need to finish the other replacement handguard section; luckily the clip was still intact despite the wood being missing. Front HG rear half replacement/repair is pretty much complete. Still no bayonet.
>>64610220Unless you really want a 23mm barrel you’re better off going up to 37mm for a launcher or down to 10ga. 10ga will have more potent shells. The KS-23 is super low pressure.
>>64610587most gun laws in basically every country date back to the interwar period because the russians had the commie revolution. bongolia's first gun law dates back to post WWI because they were worried about vets overthrowing the kingthe reason for the NFA was supposably depression era crime and organized crime with 2 incidents in particular, the st valentines day massacre where al capone's gangsters shot rival gang members who were tied up in the back with thompsons, aka gun didn't matter and some bank robber accidently shot a baby with a machine gun during a bank robbery, I can't find who because google is ass now.the more likely cause of the NFA is that in 1924 the government issued WWI vets bonds that they couldn't cash in until 1945. a bunch of vets occupied the white house lawn in 1932 for a month demanding they be allowed to cash in the bonds early and that lead to the GI bill of rights
>Aug guud>shotty gat guud>combine the twoHonestly, the logic is solid.
>>64610578Oh hey, Peter Singh.Anyway, I think almost all of the .410 Enfield muskets which have been exported to the U.S have had their chambers bored out for commercial .410 Bore shotgun shells, because that's the only ammo that would have been available and compatible there.
>>64610258Or what, retard?
>>64611866>ban evadinggit and stay git, troon
>>64611452>and some bank robber accidently shot a baby with a machine gun during a bank robbery, I can't find who because google is ass now.>the more likely cause of the NFA is that in 1924 the government issued WWI vets bonds that they couldn't cash in until 1945. a bunch of vets occupied the white house lawn in 1932 for a month demanding they be allowed to cash in the bonds early and that lead to the GI bill of rightsI haven't heard of either of those before, thanks anon!
>>64611477>Oh hey, Peter Singh.I needed something somewhat appropriate to cover the S/N as it's an old import gun that was not re-marked lol. I think you may be the first to recognize him.>Anyway, I think almost all of the .410 Enfield muskets which have been exported to the U.S have had their chambers bored out for commercial .410 Bore shotgun shells, because that's the only ammo that would have been available and compatible there.Most but not all. At some point, some were sold cheaper without having been rebored IIRC and at some point you could get crates of .410 IM for relatively reasonable prices. Now, it's in the over a dollar a round territory as it's all dried up; it was meant to be a proprietary cartridge from the beginning as to prevent either unauthorized use or theft and resale after all. Years after they were sold, Centerfire got in the rest of what Springfield Sporters had which were mostly (if not all?) completely untouched .410 IM rifles. Some of them came with bolts, some not, and condition of furniture varied wildly. Cheap though. Not sure if they're still available; if they have any, I fully expect them to be down to the ones with missing stocks by now.
>>64612075no problem! I found out why I couldn't find it. it was a kidnapping gone wrong, not a bank robberyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Dog_Colland a gang drive byhttps://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484215890/prohibition-era-gang-violence-spurred-congress-to-pass-first-gun-lawand the bonus armyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
>>64609428>gutted the nfa>SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors are still NFA items>the tax stamp is just zero dollars now which sets precedence that congress can just change the price at will i think we have different definitions of gutted in this case
>>64612777>the tax stamp is just zero dollars now which sets precedence that congress can just change the price at willhow does this make any sense? Surely by this logic they could have changed it at will before too right?
>>64612777> i think we have different definitions of gutted in this caseIt shows that it’s on deaths door
>>64612777>been a tax stamp for 91 years>noooo now Congress will make it six gorillian dollarydoosNigger why haven’t they even adjusted it for inflation in the past? Upping it from $0 to anything past the original $200 will open a door to a very easy suit of taxing a right which isn’t allowed anywhere else. In a post-Bruen world the BATFAgs don’t want that. You doomers insist that everything is getting worse despite tangible wins right in your face. There is now essentially no barrier to entry to NFA items excluding MGs.
>>64612777Them not being taxed at all anymore means their inclusion in the NFA can be challenged as unconstitutional.
>>64613455Getting there, but there's significant stuff still left. We still need to get MGs and DDs off of that thing, and it'd likely need to happen gradually like it's happening with SBRs and mufflers.First step would be to undo Hughes so that new transferables can be registered again, then we'll have to see where we can get from there.DDs might be trickier. Probably, stuff like rifled bores over fiddy, and the shotguns the BATFAGs don't like, would be not that difficult to get sorted, but things like live grenades and mortar shells, etc, seem like it would be the toughest to get off of the NFA of all items ever.Even if achieved, things like those would still be covered under laws for explosives in general (like storage laws), and I don't think a lot can be done about those, (though there's all sorts of other things I can envision to put into into a 40mm which could be fun and useful). I imagine also that producers would be unwilling to sell to just anyone, due to the completely different ballpark of liabilities which are explosives.>>64613816>You doomers insist that everything is getting worse despite tangible wins right in your face.I remember some schizo/redditor schreeching endlessly in a thread before the vote that NOTHING WAS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN, STOP HOPING, STOP CALLING. I hope he kills himself, with a (formerly) SBS.
>>64605534This
>>64612777>>64612855>which sets precedence that congress can just change the price at willcommies have tried to change the price multiple times, they just don't have the votes. no precedent was set. you're either an intentional liar or you don't pay attention because commies have been talking about changing the price for like 13 years at this point.also the scotus have said the registry exists to make sure you paid the tax. no tax no nfa paperwork unless they say something retarded like $0 is a tax
>>64613816>why haven’t they even adjusted it for inflation in the past?nta but prior to the internet there wasn't really a proliferation of NFA items until recently and since the 1994 elections the commies haven't had the votes to change anything with the NFA since they don't think it's a good use of political capital for spending bills and they don't have the votes to overcome the filibuster. Like manchine could have defected and fucked over them raising the price.
>>64613860DDs and MGs seem like a bridge too far. the retarded heller standard change and the dangerous and (or) unusual thing and common use shit were all bullshit to allow MGs and DDs to stay heavily regulated because the feds really don't want people owning MGs. Like if you go with a correct reading of the 2nd amendment, MGs and DDs shouldn't be regulated but like durr rifles and arguably handguns should be
>>64613860>DDs might be trickieDDs aren't that tricky because of the reasons you mentioned. Explosives could continue to be regulated under their separate scheme without arbitrarily making big bore rifles and non-sporting shotguns title 2 firearms at the atf's will. Even for grenades and mortars, the NFA isn't currently the biggest barrier to ownership, separate licensing, transport, and storage requirements are.
>>64615516>heller standard change and the dangerous and (or) unusual thing and common use shitThat was what opened my eyes to how corrupt SCOTUS is. Obviously since we aren't meant to have a standing army the intention was that the people would own and maintain every type of arm they would see fit to use in defense of the republic.
>>64615570>Obviously since we aren't meant to have a standing army the intention was that the people would own and maintain every type of arm they would see fit to use in defense of the republic.that's a different thing. Like the 2nd Amendment clearly applies to all militia arms as in the government shouldn't be able to regulate the private ownership of militia arms. but article I section 8 already provides for the federal and state governments to arm the militia. As in the state would probably still buy tanks or canons or whatever, though individuals could if they really wanted to.if you look at the laws and writing of the time it was more like individuals would own muskets or rifles and a bayonet, sword or tomahawk and state governments would supply the town or county militias with crew served weapons
>>64615509> prior to the internet there wasn't really a proliferation of NFA items until recently Which would have made it easier to raise the tax in say 1986 with Hughes or 1968 with the GCA. Most gun owners didn’t even know about the NFA (or care)>and since the 1994 elections the commies haven't had the votes to change anything with the NFA since they don't think it's a good use of political capital for spending billsThat’s my point. They were better chances before and they deemed it not worth it. Gun control is a losing issue nationally. I’m not trying to be argumentative with you. Just saying it’s not going to happen.
>>64616553>Which would have made it easier to raise the tax in say 1986 with Hughes or 1968 with the GCA. Most gun owners didn’t even know about the NFA (or care)it wasn't a priority because no one owned NFA items in 1986 or 1968.Also, according to the cpi inflation calculator (so it's actually worse, the government calculates inflation wrong)$200 in august 1968 would be $1,800 today and the whole point of the hughes amendment was a poison pill in the 1986 FOPA. the hughes amendment never actually passed. there was just a voice vote where it got voted down, rangel said it passed and the GOP didn't press the issue because no one cared enough to contest it.
>>64616580All you’re doing is strengthening my point. If in the past fewer people owned NFA items and cared about it (which is true) then it’s even easier to crank up the tax. Most people wouldn’t know or care. Today damn near every gun owner is at least AWARE of the fact you can buy suppressors.If you’re saying they didn’t bother to raise the tax stamp because there weren’t enough in circulation, then why didn’t they restrict it more heavily? A Hughes equivalent for suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, etc. It would have been easier to restrict the NFA more in the past than today. They can’t even pass a AWB. Tax stamps aren’t magically going to $5000 with a Dem Congress.
>>64615516MGs can be argued to be in common use if you can start registering them again.
>>64619198that specifically why they use that retarded ass common use doctrine. MGs are super restricted so they can without argument say they aren't in common use and maintain at least that part of the NFA. that and they kicked the can down the road on ARs so now most courts agree ARs are common use. Kagan and Sotaymayor have both called ARs in common use in decisions. a NJ judge said ARs are in common use but then gave the faggot ass response of>well you only proved ARs are, not G3s, ectand then both the NJ and california courts have said things like normal mags or pistol grips or whatever are "accessories" and not guns so they can maintain awbs
>>64605182this thing looks fucking awesome, what's wrong with it? I want one.
>>64621505Turkish shotguns are usually pretty subpar. Not in that they never work at all, but build quality and design can be shoddy in various ways, though at least for the automatic ones they are usually based on the exact same action and often share parts across those brands, but that may be a small comfort if they're just gonna keep having problems.I would say that unless you just really like the look and handling of certain Turkish shotguns (like these ones designed to look like military rifles, perhaps), you would be much better off with just a basic Mossberg Maverick 88, which is genuinely the ultimate poorfag scattergat, one you can actually depend on.There are some alright Turk guns though, the Tisas is overall very serviceable for a low end 1911, and the Canik is a decent Glocklike for a lower price. They also have an MP5 clone, the Zenith, which is agreeable considering how much cheaper it is than a genuine H&K SP5, SP89, or HK94, usually half the price or even less to get your Die Hard dream gun.Do you want to support Turkey and their government by buying their products? That'll be up to you, some don't and I get that, but the economy is also tight as fuck these days so I can't exactly fault people for not spending even more money on something they don't necessarily need.
>>64621505they're made in yurop in the EU so they are of inferior quality to a mossberg
>>64623163Doesn't feel right to call Turkey a European country.
>>64624385Constantinople is literally in yurop
>>64624405I know.
>>64624465it's the capital of turkey. turkey is in yurop
>>64624475It shouldn't be.
>>64605534>>64605657Easy to export and easy to make relative to rifles.
>>64605182Is it a short stroke gas shotgun with an overall similar design just scaled to 12 gauge or is it just some plain jane shotgun but in an AUG skeleton to bait in tards?
>>64624689Turk autoshotties usually all copy each other, so it's very unlikely to actually be an actual copy of the AUG's action.
>>64610552Its not roller delayed, it just slop. I have two non german hk clones but this feels like airsoft.
>>64624908Oh I know. All I'm saying is that the creativity in Turkish shotgun companies is absolutely there. With an increase in QC/material quality, actual engineering, and slight improvements in aesthetic design I think they could make a fucking killing in the shotgun market. Not going to happen but a man can dream. I mean fuck, a Turkish company was the only company to make an Alof clone. I still want one of those; it's a break action shotgun, so pretty hard to fuck up even for Turkey. I just wish the quality of Turk shotguns matched their creativity and willingness to try new designs.
>>64624475Ankara is the capital of the turkroaches. Learn some geography you pleb
>>64624968that's awesome. i wish we got more alofs style shotguns. practical? no, not anymore, but it's cool.
>>64605182why wouldn't they be?
>>64628741I'm not even a shotgun hunter and I just want one. Sadly it seems only Canada really got them and not the US for some odd reason. IIRC Sulun made/makes them. I don't care how finnicky it is, it just seems like a cool in-between of a break and a pump. If they kept with it, hell, it might be a good shotgun to stuff in your pack while hunting, just in case you decide to hunt birds or something that would need a shotgun. And at Turk prices, I don't know why any importer HASN'T tried bringing them into the US.
>>64631332That’s super impractical but god I want one. It would be a lot of fun
>>64631332>Sadly it seems only Canada really got them and not the US for some odd reasonidk if canada has more shotgun sales but there's really no point in getting one of those over a pump
>>64616688> If you’re saying they didn’t bother to raise the tax stamp because there weren’t enough in circulation, then why didn’t they restrict it more heavily? A Hughes equivalent for suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, etc. It would have been easier to restrict the NFA more in the past than today. They can’t even pass a AWB. Tax stamps aren’t magically going to $5000 with a Dem Congress.Also why didn’t they raise it in the past to match inflation
>>64624968> Oh I know. All I'm saying is that the creativity in Turkish shotgun companies is absolutely there. With an increase in QC/material quality, actual engineering, and slight improvements in aesthetic design I think they could make a fucking killing in the shotgun market. Not going to happen but a man can dream. Only way it could happen if shotguns required the same strict certifications that are needed for what they have for rifles and handguns
>>64632115Yep. And like I said a couple days ago, I think if they change anything to increase it, then it opens up the legal challenge of taxing a right. The fingerprinting, $200, and previously the wait times kept enough people away from NFA items the feds were happy with that.
>>64631332I like it, gives me the adaptability of a single shot shotgun (adapters, fit whatever in there) while also giving me the round count of a regular pump/semi shotgun.
>>64632768I just like how it's theoretically so nice to keep on you. For a while I had this idea of keeping a break action shotgun with me while hunting in case I felt like I'd need it for certain game. If the stock/receiver folds almost flat against the forend/barrel in a "V" (like the Hatfield shotguns do), then it could be put in a pack, on a pack, or something like that easily. Downside is that it's a single shot. Weird case where an Alof clone would make sense even though that wasn't even a thought in my head at the time. There's really nothing else like it, nor folding semis or pumps unless you want to pay $$$ and go for a vintage folding Burgess which I wouldn't want to abuse.
