the ultimate warfighter weapon. Called a spear which is MANLY and MASCULINE, like a MASCULNE MANLY SPARTAN in 300. It's bulky because MANLY MEN can CARRY a LOT of weight. It breaks down easily because MANLY TRAD MEN can easily repair it on the BATTEFIELD. It's got a BIG MANLY BULLET with big MANLY PRESSURE just like my MANLY MEAT ROD when it BLASTS CUM inside other MENS asses (heterosexually)Was this the main pitch SIG did to Hesgeth?
I know you're memeing but you cannot repair it on the battlefield with the issues it is having. From barrels breaking off fresh off the factory floor after a few rounds, to the suppressor 'catastrophically' failing (i.e, exploding). That can't be fixed in the field. Don't worry, SIG just needs another $5bn to fix these issues.
>>64614698>EVROG°D HERECan this rifle not be the next m16? The m16 was also hated when it was implemented and now it's one of the best rifle platforms in the world.Why can't the spear do the same?
>the ultimate warfighter weapon. Called a spear which is MANLY and MASCULINE, like a MASCULNE MANLY SPARTAN in 300. It's bulky because MANLY MEN can CARRY a LOT of weight. It breaks down easily because MANLY TRAD MEN can easily repair it on the BATTEFIELD. It's got a BIG MANLY BULLET with big MANLY PRESSURE just like my MANLY MEAT ROD when it BLASTS CUM inside other MENS asses (heterosexually)
>>64614844Bullpup thompBAR Dios Mio
>>64614690but seriously how do you make a scar but gayer
>>64614690>super high pressure and suppressed i just feel bad for the armorer this also feels like pre ww1 doctrine being issued for a war that isn't going to be anything like the next war.
Hegseth is a national embarrassment for the yanks. The US needs a defense secretary who will support and enable allies to hold Russia accountable, not amplify kremlin disinformation while attacking democratic institutions.
>>64614690(you)>>64614772M16 is a light, low pressure, soft shooting, with good capacity. It was explicitly chosen over the heavier, higher weight, heavier ammo, lower capacity AR10.Somehow we have unlearned everything and now were getting a gun that is worse than an AR10.>>64615444This
>>64615651Get all of your glorious Africans, Pakistanis, and Jeets to die in your jewhad against Russia.
>>64614772The M16 was "hated" because of deliberate sabotage by the top brass refusing to allow the replacement of the M14, which was obsolete on the drafting table>Why can't the spear do the same?The spear is a firearm that was drummed up by the now top brass to ensure they get a nice retirement package and money in the pockets of their friends at SIG USA, it's issues are ever present but ignored because of it
>>64614844Cook BAR was actually the right way to go about solving the "we want everybody to have a big gun that can do everything at every range" problem. Bullpup with a normal full-sized rifle round so it can be short while providing adequate barrel length to give desired performance without the need for stupid chamber pressure. Add mounting points for sights and it's basically what they want. It doesn't make it smart to want that, but it's the right way to do it.The SIG thing seems like the result of deciding you want to shoot big bullets at long range, but the most important thing is for it to look the same as what you had before and you don't care how many compromises you have to make in the name of retaining a conventional layout with a short barrel like the M4 had.
>>64616003>>64615651Falseflag samepidor
>>64615778>Somehow we have unlearned everything and now were getting a gun that is worse than an AR10.Engagement distances have grown considerably since the M16 was introduced. Performance at longer ranges is now considered more important, that generally means big boolet
>>64614690The Spear was adopted under Biden and has been in military production for three years at this point. Get a new talking point, you fucking redditor.
>>64614690It's like the army wanted a new DMR and some retard in charge had a lightning bolt moment and decided to make EVERYONE a fucking Designated Marskman. A 6x scope and one per squad makes WAY more sense
>>64616188We’re at the point where it’s either the army trying to make everyone a marksman or the marines trying to make everyone a machine gunner. I honestly don’t know if this kind of thinking is a true lightning bolt moment or if everyone’s been munching on the forbidden crayons.
>>64614690>Was this the main pitch SIG did to Hesgeth?I know that he's a retard but this program started years ago and he had very little to do with it
>>64616321back when he was just a drunk loser, not a drunk loser with access to state secrets
>>64616348exactly, it's some other drunk loser running america into the ground. thank god it will all be over soon.
>>64614690this shit predates Hegseth, retard
>>64618152theyre still recovering from 2024, give them time
>>64616090As evidenced by the war in Ukraine, right? The entire program makes no sense because the gun is heavier, with less capacity, heavier ammo, and has poor dispersion. This is another stupid pork project.We could have gotten more range out of a 6arc/max icar medium frame or 6.5cm large frame all with less weight and better accuracy. It's not a good gun.99% of engagements are going to be inside of a few hundred yards against guys with AKs.>>64616082Nope, stay retarded.
DoD has probably done more and better tests than uncle fudd and 4channers
>>64616242The astonishing part is that the marine's decision is the less retarded approach. One can certainly argue a lot better for turning everyone man into a proxy automatic riflemen instead of a squad of pseudo designated marksmen.
>>64616044are boomers the most evil generation? They sacrificed their childrens' future for their selfish lifestyles
>>64616188>4moa DMR
>>64622188>appeal to authority
>>64622188>from the creators of UCP
>>64614690>Big burly men holding big hot throbbing rodsHesgeth must've loved every moment of the pitch
>>64622336>4moawhere are you getting that from?
>>64615651>democratic institutions
>>64622847It's honestly incredible how these people live rent-free in your heads. You probably didn't know a single cabinet member's name under Obama or Biden, yet with Trump you have everyone memorized with an accompanying one-dimensional trait, and read about and reference them constantly like you're continually trying to maintain face inside a social club.
>>64623348What's incredible is how stupid the people in this administration are. That's why they're so memorable. If some moron shot themselves in the dick after claiming to be the best shooter on the range that would live rent free in my head too.
>64623348The bar is so low that it’s apparently bad to be informed now
>>64623348Some faces in the current admin have earned the attention with their actions.Nobody else in living memory has been as utterly retarded. They'll be remembered in history books for the damage they've done, be it reversible or not.
>>64623356And the cronies in other cabinets were any better? No anon, you just eat up ragebait content while performatively insulting the officials in the hope of getting updoots and (you's) that confirm you are on The Correct Team. The more hyperbolic your accusations, the more attention you accrue. But to get the updoots, you'll have to gradually increase the baseline assumption of your target. So by the end of 2028, you'll probably be screaming at the top of your lungs that Hegseth is stumbling around the Pentagon drunk 24/7 while running a secret MAGA whiskey distillery and having gay orgies in his basement. But if you ever say, "Hey that seems kinda ridiculous" you'll get piled-on and lose all those precious, precious social capital points you spent so long acquiring.And yeah the SIG Spear is a dumb idea that hopefully will be cancelled within 5 years before doing too much damage.
>>64623399>So by the end of 2028, you'll probably be screaming at the top of your lungs that Hegseth is stumbling around the Pentagon drunk 24/7 while running a secret MAGA whiskey distillery and having gay orgies in his basement.I'm already saying that, go gargle Hegseth's nuts some more
>>64614690>the ultimate warfighter weapon. Called a DMR which is MANLY and MASCULINE, like a MASCULNE MANLY SPARTAN
>>64623348Pete did you know 4chan is uses Calibri? Wooooo Calibri!!!
>>64623401So what will you be saying in 2028 to maintain your updoots?
>>64614690OPSEC is clear. I repeate OPSEC is clear.
>>64614690Manly this manly that Mannn you suck dickIt's fine if you are a fag just admit it this is 2025
>>64621615>6mm ARC>6.5 sneedmoreHmmm if only there was a rifle literally commissioned by SOCOM that can easily fire every common rifle round already depending on the situation without a billion-dollar government program to develop it using nothing more than a simple conversion kit.Golly, if only someone thought to make something like that. I wonder if anyone's ever thought of that.
>>64614844>>64614894There is no hope left for man.
>>64615651They defined DEI and put it into action in this cabinet, is all I can say.
>>64623399nta but yeahyou probably havent watched hegseths retarded speeches that singlehandedly ruined decades of relations with allieseveryone hates us now, except maybe ziggers but... yeahas far as foreign policy goes no other admin before trump 2 electric boogaloo has been so hellbent on destroying us reputation and trustworthinessthe flak they are getting isn't about whatever petty shit you are imagining, in fact you aren't even saying anything but babbling about some incomprehensible /pol/ bullshitthe world used to actually like and respect usnow it's just fake tardwrangling courtesy to appease the petulant orange manchildallies dating back to the fucking founding of us now literally consider it a threat to their national securitythe current world situation is no joke and it's all caused by a bunch of utter retards for no logical reason whatsoeverand you're acting like a fucking toddler about itif only you, in your cozy bubble of ignorance, understood how bad things really are
>>64623399>So by the end of 2028, you'll probably be screaming at the top of your lungs that Hegseth is stumbling around the Pentagon drunk 24/7 while running a secret MAGA whiskey distillery and having gay orgies in his basement.Would be pretty wholesome, what with the President being a child rapist selling out the nation's strategic interests while also scamming his voters out of their money while wrecking all parts of the economy that aren't paying him protection fees. He even repeatedly promised to end democracy on the campaign trail and has a previous insurrection to his name.
>>64623497>the world used to actually like and respect uslol
>>64623800All he cares about is approval from farther huffing shitlibs that literally only care that the President has a D next to their name, or he's a boomer stuck in 1994.
>>64623678>and has a previous insurrection to his name.pfffft hahaha
>>64616090>Engagement distances have grown considerably since the M16 was introducedNo they absolutely have not. Afghanistan is an outlier; in Iraq the engagement distances were often well under 200-300 meters. Even the current Ukie war shows that, if anything, engagement distances have shrunk since WWII.Desiging a rifle around a theoretical second conflict in an Afghanistan like environment that prioritizes individual soldiers accuracy over overall fire superiority is retarded.
>>64623401literally what has Hegseth even done that's so bad? i genuinely dont know why youre yiiking out so hard haha
>>64623833Not to mention the attempted election fraud.
>>64614690how come weapons are so cool but the military is so fucking gay?
>>64623951Military service is cool if your country is worth defending.It's only fucking gay if your country is fucking gay.
>>64623834This. And nowadays if you have contact at 700-800m you prolly just send out a drone to fuck em up, you don't try to expose yourself to shoot them..
>>64623956>being yelled at by welfare queens and forced to submit to big buff men because the government legally owns you is coolnah bro
>>64623942say the line
>>64623497>allies dating back to the fucking founding of us>(translation): the Frogs are being intransigent Man and it's not even Friday yet.>the current world situation is no joke and it's all caused by a bunch of utter retards for no logical reason whatsoever>Russia is crippled indefinitely and shown itself to be incapable of seizing territory from a 3rd rate power on its border after 4 years of concerted effort due to a drip-feed of 90s surplus commercial grade UAVs with IEDs strapped to them>China is in the shit because Mao2.0 's commie brain can't figure a way out of the hole them dug for themselves by deliberately replicating the conditions of Japan circa 1989 for three decades straight by relying on foreign investment which his own policies have caused to dry up>US and Europe are sick of shitskins, which cost the US alone 2 trillion bucks a year in revenue at leastSeems to me that Trump is almost a non-factor. Even his international policies you don't like are just copies of shit Pat Buchannan advocated in the 90s and which the Neocons and Neolibs opposed. The only difference being Trump is a jew lover and sucks Israeli dick. You'd better hope that Cuckservatives around Trump or Neonazis take over because if actual Americanist whites get control they'll crash the world economy and kill billions of mudmen for shits and giggles.
>>64624180no, not france as far as i knowtry to keep up with the random invasion threats trump's been flinging around>if actual whites get control they'll crash the world economy and kill billionsthat's not sane behaviourits just a cartoonish level of idiocy, same as your extremely childish shitpostingi do hope you are a child but everything points to the worse option
>>64624082He employed a team to organize the attempted election fraud for him.
>>64624213actually i was thinking you were going to say he's a felon rapist
>>64614690Just make a titanium/fiberglass Garand in 338 Norma already
>>64623678Goyim mindslave countersignalers out in force today.Must have figured /pol/ and /gif/ were shit up enough so they migrated to a fun board
ITT: Nobody who's actually shot this thing is complaining about a version of it that's already out of date.
>>64623433What the fuck is that supposed to be? An UZI'd m14?
>>64623356>>64623375It's because you're brainwashed by corporate media talking points
>>64623497You have to go back kid
>>64623837Not him, and for the whole administration military policy in general, but>Practically sabotaging the Ukrainian war. God knows why, the only cost to America was mothballed IFVs and ammunition, but Hesgeth/Trump is acting like it's costing American blood for Ukrainians to fight>Double tapping boats. You are NOT supposed to shoot at overboard sailors. Even the japanese in WW2 didn't do this. >The whole retardation about treating drug smugglers as enemy combatants. There's an entire coast guard you could use to reliably interdict them. You would gain intel, avoid civilian casualties and be well within every law. Instead Hesgeth decides to blow them up for no reason other than it's manly, or something
>>64625828You all are so hopelessly lacking perspective, always trying to bring up whatever domestic shitfliging you guys have going on. I couldn't even name whatever american shitmedia you could be thinking about. But at least we agree that your media is a travesty.Spoilers, 96% of the world does not give a single fuck about your domestic policy, beyond the extent of having to suffer your worst cultural exports like trannies, anti-intellectualism, woke, and laughably childish understanding of democracy. And your exported cultural idiocy taints the sane parts of the world now faster and worse than ever thanks to the normalfag smartphone age.But that's nothing new, not the problem. The problem is how the US conducts its foreign policy, how it acts on the world stage, and right now there are no adults in charge. The inmates are running the asylum. Might as well pick random shitposters from 4chan to run the country.I don't give a shit about what you do as long as you keep the retardation internal, but now it's very much external. This is the change you apparently ca not even see. No perspective, incapable or unwilling of extrospection. Do you understand?
>>64625888>nothing>nothing>nothing
>>64622188Then explain this piece of shit rifle that no one wants. >>64623430I don't have enough experience with it. I saw their bendy rail videos. I do think it's a mistake to move away from an ar pattern gun. Even going to a 6.8spc / ICAR frame was a big change that flopped.
>>64614690why does it have a rear charging handle
>>64628859because having the charging handle on the front of the gun would be weird
>>64628892haha yeah that would never work and itd be disrespectful to our lord and savior john armalite
>>64616242To be fair to the marines, their “machine gun” is a 16” hk416 with optional 11” kits, with full auto and LPVOs. The only retarded option they’ve made with them is the peq-16
>>64622336is that truei legit thought the only reason they made this thing was to have a computer calculate super amazing sniper shots and they needed a hotter bullet for that. do they really think body armor will be a big enough factor that everyone now carries like 30% fewer rounds
>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/secret-service-seeks-new-5-56-duty-rifle-44824210>want an ambidextrous charging handle>also want a folding stockSo am I right in concluding that the way their requirements are written out, literally no other gun on the market other than the SIG MCX fits the description? It's like they made the requirements specifically to suit that one rifle. Fucking insane shameless corruption, the entire US government is SIG's bitch. Imagine going from KAC to SIG because your boss wanted kickbacks. This is Africa-tier shit, where does it end?
>>64628943It's a 3 to 4 moa gun. They achieve better dispersion by shortening the barrel. To compensate for the loss of ass by chopping the barrel they suggest lifting the PSI to like ~90K.Watch the cappy army video on it. GT also has done reviews. Everyone complains about the accuracy. The whole project is insane. They should have asked HK to make them a piston gun if that's what they wanted.
>>64628967They are running law folders now. They should just adopt the SOLGW MK1 and put a law on it. They should keep the 11.5 and switch to a 1:5 twist instead of a 1:7.
>>64629007>They are running law folders nowAren't these things unreliable? Maybe they've gotten better over time, I wouldn't trust one.
>>64614690I'm an unironic battle rifle apologist but this thing isn't even a good battle rifle. Not that accurate, spends way more money to have marginal ballistics improvements over 7.62x51mm. Said improvements are only on paper anyway because it isn't even accurate. Fucks up our logistics with a new meme round that solves a problem (poorly) that didn't even exist. The only good thing about this gun is normalizing suppressors for standard infantry.
Why the fuck 6.8?I honestly thought that EndWar got it right with the US switching back to 7.62 when they figure out how to do simple load bearing exoskeleton for troops. In the meantime 5.56 is THE round to stick with for the foreseeable future.
>>64629068Yeah why didn't they consult Tom Clancy's Endwar from 2009?
>>64629068>Why the fuck 6.8?The Army's Small Arms Ammunition Configuration Study determined that the ideal small arms caliber was in the range of 6.8 +/-0.8mm (meaning between 6mm and 7.62mm). So naturally some Army boomer read the study and decided that we HAD to have a 6.8mm rifle since that's clearly the deadliest caliber.
>>64628967>So am I right in concluding that the way their requirements are written out, literally no other gun on the market other than the SIG MCX fits the description?No, you are not. Might want to read the article before sperging.Also if US manufacturers can't figure out how to make a short stroke piston gun with a folding stock that isn't shit, or at least better than the MCX, it's on them.
>>64624898The shitstorm of negative feedback the M16 saw when it was implemented is still remembered today, and they didn't even have the internet back then.Crazy, if you think about it.
>>64629122All the usual talking points about it too just in reverse, m16 was too light, sig is too heavy, m16 has a strange underpowered round, sig has a strange overpowered round, m16 had a niche application for guarding air force bases, Sig has a niche application for fighting long range.I don't even give a fuck about the thing but I hope that one day it'll be the gold standard and these forums (or the equivalent) will bitch about losing such an era defining weapon that everyone had to play catch up to.
>>64629027The law bcg is shit. The law folder is legit.
>>64615651Democracy is gay, though. And Russians didn’t ruin this board
>>64623348What’s even more pathetic is they’re not US citizens, many of these faggots are nogunz Euros seething about Ukraine or whatever other gay non-gun related topic of the week catches their fancy. See >>64623415>4chan is uses Calibri
